The Day Has arrived for The UK

[Dinahnana]

The Scots are always pissed-off. Think why. They've had their 2-day summer already on 14-15 June. They've got to sit in watching England, Wales and N.Ireland reaching the knockouts in the Euro football. And now they've have to listen to bug-eyes whining on for months about how unfair she thinks it all is.

Scotland's first minister is now calling for a second vote for Scotish independence. So it begins. I am not afraid to say that this whole situation scares me a bit. Traditionally political turmoil is usually followed with violence and with other EU countries now wanting to leave the EU the future of Europe is very uncertain. I am hoping no matter what happens with regards to the EU falling apart or not that the future will give those of us living in Europe stability although at this point in time I very much doubt that.

I have to think this whole situation could have been avoided if the powers that be (ie Merckel) made better decisions in the last few years that lead us down the path we are on today.

What will Europe look like with no EU, this is a very strong possibility now. Also I am concerned for my own country as Ireland does a lot of business with the UK and the vote could have devastating consequences for an already fragile Irish economy. Also there is a very large Irish community in the UK what will become of them?

 

[gagamel]

The petulant child has left the Family.

All the best for your future.

 

[geordiecolin]

The petulant child has left the Family.

All the best for your future.

Switzerland are hardly in Europe. There are treaties,but Switzerland played a blinder regarding the EU

 

[geordiecolin]

Scotland's first minister is now calling for a second vote for Scotish independence. So it begins. I am not afraid to say that this whole situation scares me a bit. Traditionally political turmoil is usually followed with violence and with other EU countries now wanting to leave the EU the future of Europe is very uncertain. I am hoping no matter what happens with regards to the EU falling apart or not that the future will give those of us living in Europe stability although at this point in time I very much doubt that.

I have to think this whole situation could have been avoided if the powers that be (ie Merckel) made better decisions in the last few years that lead us down the path we are on today.

What will Europe look like with no EU, this is a very strong possibility now. Also I am concerned for my own country as Ireland does a lot of business with the UK and the vote could have devastating consequences for an already fragile Irish economy. Also there is a very large Irish community in the UK what will become of them?

My guess is that the biggest threat of violence should other EU Countries vote to leave will come from a dramatic rise in those asylum seekers and economic migrants desperately scrambling to get into Europe before entry closes and their right to remain stops. I suspect that over the next few years will see a massive rush to Europe.

 

[dunover]

The petulant child has left the Family.

All the best for your future.

Eh? The French are still in FFS.

Isn't that a bit hypocritical considering you yodellers were never even in it?

 

[TradaCasino]

It just goes to show, the bookies don't always get it right! Odds were 9/1 for Brexit last night.

 

[itsover2014]

It just goes to show, the bookies don't always get it right! Odds were 9/1 for Brexit last night.

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I was so close to betting on it at 8/1 but I thought I was throwing money away

 

[Dinahnana]

My guess is that the biggest threat of violence should other EU Countries vote to leave will come from a dramatic rise in those asylum seekers and economic migrants desperately scrambling to get into Europe before entry closes and their right to remain stops. I suspect that over the next few years will see a massive rush to Europe.

Nobody can really tell what the future holds we can guess all we want but the recent past has shown us how wrong we can be. Since Immigration seems to be the driving force behind the wish for countries to leave the EU it could be possible that EU countries may impose stricter border controls in the very near future in order to appease the other European countries who now are making noises about wanting to leave the EU. I respect the wishes of the British people who democratically decided to leave the EU but am very concerned about what that means for the remaining EU countries; especially mine in the near future.

I do hope that Ireland will remain close with the UK with regards to trade as this benefits both our countries.

 

[goatwack]

It just goes to show, the bookies don't always get it right! Odds were 9/1 for Brexit last night.

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Wow, I mean they're all 8.5 / 10 for sheer pun-dom. So many strong contenders, but I love Latervia, and Finish for its simplicity

 

[maxd]

I have to think that the Scot's are rather pissed off this morning ...

Don't know how many Scottish folks you've talked to today but I've been out and about this morning and the dozen or so that I've talked to aren't pissed, they're disappointed. The general concensus seems to be "thanks for that" to Cameron for creating a shit-storm he's now happy to stroll away from, and they're planning for the fallout as the effects of said shit-storm ripple through the UK.

No one seems particulary overjoyed with the idea of IndyRef2 but I think there's a general feeling that it just needs to be got on with in order to move things forward. Immigrants are not perceived as the great evil here -- at least not among the 30-something small business people and customers that I was talking to -- so that rhetoric isn't even part of the conversation. Ever.

My perception is that many Scots want to be free to do business and build a future with the EU. Since England has said "no" to that many are saying -- now more than ever I think -- that their future lies with Europe first and foremost.

 

[paul7388]

I have to think that the Scot's are rather pissed off this morning since the main sticking point for Scotish vote to remain part of the UK was the EU. So I think there are many angry people this morning.

Don't know what will happen but it will take 2 years for UK to exit the EU and I think people are calling for a revote so everything is uncertain.

As far as Northern Ireland goes I have no idea what will happen there. What I fear the most is that this whole situation could erupt and unforeseen things might happen. I know that Gerry Adams will want to use this situation in order to try and get a unification for Ireland but there are many people in Northern Ireland who want to remain with the UK. I just hope no matter what happens that the transition goes peacefully. The British Pound took a beating this morning so I know there has to be some sweating with investors and such.

End times are here.

To be honest remaining in EU really had nothing to with the Scots vote to remain part of UK. The majority of Scots voted to remain in UK solely for the reason they wanted to remain in UK as they thought it was better for them.

According to Salmond at the time Scotland would still have been part of EU anyway.

Now we have to wait and see if Sturgeon gets her way in getting a second referendum which i dont think she will. Even if she manages to get one for her own personal agenda i still think Scotland would vote to stay in UK regardless of EU membership or not. Tho ive a feeling by time she had a chance to get another vote EU will be just about finished anyway.

Northern Ireland i feel will never join rest of Ireland regardless of EU membership or not. To many people still have the views that they belong to UK and wont change. Maybe ill find its different when i visit there in 2 weeks but doubt it.

Whatever happens tho this leaving EU will have a major affect on many lives.Whether its good or bad we will find out soon enough.

 

[Steviedoo]

And he quit ... Really thought he wouldn't until the exit was done to avoid what is happening right now in the worldwide markets.....chaos.

 

[goatwack]

lol Harry, sleep well!

Daft question time, much more important than this EU 'debate'

Why are the no 'thanks' or 'WTG' buttons in this section

That's very easy to remedy, Jon.

Simply navigate to that little 'star' symbol on my posts and press it. Go on, give it a try

Just don't do the one next to it. That's reserved for bad people only.

 

[Dinahnana]

Don't know how many Scottish folks you've talked to today but I've been out and about this morning and the dozen or so that I've talked to aren't pissed, they're disappointed. The general concensus seems to be "thanks for that" to Cameron for creating a shit-storm he's now happy to stroll away from, and they're planning for the fallout as the effects of said shit-storm ripple through the UK.

No one seems particulary overjoyed with the idea of IndyRef2 but I think there's a general feeling that it just needs to got on with in order to move things forward. Immigrants are not perceived as the great evil here -- at least not among the 30-something small business people and customers that I was talking to -- so that rhetoric isn't even part of the conversation. Ever.

My perception is that many Scots want to be free to do business and build a future with the EU. Since England has said "no" to that many are saying -- now more than ever I think -- that their future lies with Europe first and foremost.

I have a few Scot friends in Ireland and yes they are very disappointed. I just hope that everything will work out for the best for everybody in the end.

 

[Dinahnana]

To be honest remaining in EU really had nothing to with the Scots vote to remain part of UK. The majority of Scots voted to remain in UK solely for the reason they wanted to remain in UK as they thought it was better for them.

According to Salmond at the time Scotland would still have been part of EU anyway.

Now we have to wait and see if Sturgeon gets her way in getting a second referendum which i dont think she will. Even if she manages to get one for her own personal agenda i still think Scotland would vote to stay in UK regardless of EU membership or not. Tho ive a feeling by time she had a chance to get another vote EU will be just about finished anyway.

Northern Ireland i feel will never join rest of Ireland regardless of EU membership or not. To many people still have the views that they belong to UK and wont change. Maybe ill find its different when i visit there in 2 weeks but doubt it.

Whatever happens tho this leaving EU will have a major affect on many lives.Whether its good or bad we will find out soon enough.

You could be right about Northern Ireland although I can see an independent Northern Ireland as not being part of Ireland or the UK. That is a possibility maybe years down the line.

A united Ireland is not economically viable in my opinion due to the fact that the Irish economy is in the crapper and possibly cannot afford a united Ireland even if it wanted it which I don't think it does.

As long as the border between North and South stay open as it is now I think things will be okay. Currently relations between North and South in Ireland are good and hopefully will remain that way.

I do dislike the politicians that are using this vote as an opportunity to sow discord in my opinion. Things will remain uncertain all round for some time to come I think.

 

[Jono777]

That's very easy to remedy, Jon.

Simply navigate to that little 'star' symbol on my posts and press it. Go on, give it a try

Just don't do the one next to it. That's reserved for bad people only.

Guess I'm just too generous

 

[goatwack]

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Guess I'm just too generous

Haha that's brilliant. I'm getting sick of these groupies and sycophants

Tried to reciprocate but the same thing came up. My mamma's always telling me to make more friends

I gave one to Dunover earlier for his florid tales and humorous tone (rep points that is!)

Makes a change from the daily Rhino violations I suppose

 

[Jd666]

Haha that's brilliant. I'm getting sick of these groupies and sycophants

Tried to reciprocate but the same thing came up. My mamma's always telling me to make more friends

I gave one to Dunover earlier for his florid tales and humorous tone (rep points that is!)

Makes a change from the daily Rhino vioations I suppose

I thought you pressed that star when you have had a wild line on DOA

 

[goatwack]

I thought you pressed that star when you have had a wild line on DOA

Yeah it took me a while to even realize it was there. Always a useful tool for these type of occasions.

But hey, I guess in your case there should be a lighthouse icon, say if you want to illuminate a finer point. Or even a camera icon for a quick screen grab (sorry, had to)

 

[Jono777]

** Grr, can't thank posts above**

Anyway back on topic.

Had I not been made redundant and gone SE a couple of years back, I would have been soon (well soon-ish), our whole set up was 80% EU funded

Suppose looking back it was a cracking piece of luck

 

[Harry_BKK]

Some odd comments from my side:

- Share market --> 5 Trillion $ in value destroyed in a few hours
- Cameron steps down --> although he promised to stay on even when the vote is "leave"
- Farage already denying that the GBP350Mio weekly contribution to the EU will now go to the NHS --> one of the main campaign "promises/slogans" slashed in the first hour
- Trump welcoming the Brexit .... while in Scotland
- All big "leave" supporters now say: "There is no rush to hand in the formal resignation letter" --> so what do you want? IN or OUT??
- Thinking that all will be better now --> not even the best fortune teller would be able to confirm that

Maybe all migrants/immigrants leaving the UK for 1 month would make it clear what would be without them

 

[brianmon]

U.K. Stocks close down 3.2% on the day but are higher now than the start of the week!!
In fact UK stocks dip only by the same amount as the US. So perhaps not as bad for us as the doomsayers thought.

Interesting though is EU stocks, Germany down 7%, France down 8%, Spain down 12%.
Looks like the markets are more concerned about the future of the EU than they are for the future of the U.K.

 

[Dinahnana]

U.K. Stocks close down 3.2% on the day but are higher now than the start of the week!!
In fact UK stocks dip only by the same amount as the US. So perhaps not as bad for us as the doomsayers thought.

Interesting though is EU stocks, Germany down 7%, France down 8%, Spain down 12%.
Looks like the markets are more concerned about the future of the EU than they are for the future of the U.K.

It's still very early days yet. We ought to wait and see what is going to happen. Nobody wants an unstable Europe and I am sure that includes the British people. Instability hurts everybody. I am not a huge fan of the EU but I do see it's benefits although I would have preferred if it stayed as just a common market and not what it has become today. Each country should have the right to control their own borders. The migration issue and all the mess surrounding that certainly contributed to the Brexit vote.

I think the markets are going to be fluctuating like mad in the next few weeks. Also it is quite possible that many multinational companies and international banks might move their headquarters outside of London and go elsewhere which would be devastating to the British economy due to the job loss. I guess it all depends on what the UK government negotiates with the EU in the coming months before it triggers Article 50 of the EU Treaty.

Having said that the out vote was won by a 4% majority which is not that big so there is a division among the British people. Hopefully that will be resolved in everybody's best interest.

 

[Mouche12]

Fortunately, there are also many Britons with compassion and a clear head that will not allow a wave of xenophobia and racism to threaten the lives and wellbeing of all those living in the UK. Their protest at Edinburgh today shows their solidarity with all migrants and defiance in the face of racism.

 

[geordiecolin]

Fortunately, there are also many Britons with compassion and a clear head that will not allow a wave of xenophobia and racism to threaten the lives and wellbeing of all those living in the UK. Their protest at Edinburgh today shows their solidarity with all migrants and defiance in the face of racism.

I do not see it being about racism or xenophobia at all. There may be a small element of folk who voted out for those reasons. It is about leaving an un-elected elite organisation that had too much control of our decision making and where seeking to control even more. It was about democracy for me.
The Euro zone know that it is possible that their gravy train could be shuddering to a halt and a lot of Countries getting off

 

[Harry_BKK]

U.K. Stocks close down 3.2% on the day but are higher now than the start of the week!!
In fact UK stocks dip only by the same amount as the US. So perhaps not as bad for us as the doomsayers thought.

Interesting though is EU stocks, Germany down 7%, France down 8%, Spain down 12%.
Looks like the markets are more concerned about the future of the EU than they are for the future of the U.K.

Not so bad for you eh???

But over 6 Billion people are feeling the damage because 16 Million British felt they need to leave the EU





Source: Reuters

 

[dunover]

Well doesn't that tell you a truth Harry? Something is wrong with a system of commerce and trade if David farts and Goliath falls over. Can hardly blame little ol' David if Goliath has shrivelled balls, can you?

 

[citizenx]

Voted Leave on my way to work yesterday.

The polling station was busy, which you never see and certainly not to the extent that there are queues in the morning.

Ordinarily it's quite relaxed but yesterday it felt like people meant business and boy did they.

22:00 onwards there was discussion of on the day polls showing a small lead for remain.

Then Newcastle, my home town which was expected to favour remain did, but by a tiny margin.

The results came in slowly but the pattern started to emerge - remain just didn't have enough support.

BBC called it at 04:40 but we'd known for an hour before that it was game over for remain.

I usually watch these things and NEVER get the outcome I want so i was elated. The sun was rising as it became clear we'd won. It was a spectacular moment.

I have absolutely no problem with any of the people of Europe but I strongly resent the EU and it's undemocratic ways. I thought the remain campaign was entirely negative - didn't offer any explanation at all as to what is so good about the EU, just threatened, patronised and bullied people to side with them.

People saw through it.

Today, remain supporters have been upset and very nasty on social networking, probably in person too but i've not seen anyone.

I suspect other nations in the EU will demand a vote now and probably be denied for a long time. But the days of the EU are numbered and this is the catalyst for it to die.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well doesn't that tell you a truth Harry? Something is wrong with a system of commerce and trade if David farts and Goliath falls over. Can hardly blame little ol' David if Goliath has shrivelled balls, can you?

GB is not a David by all means ... The stock market value that vanished today equals appr. your GDP, so that is not David.

So why delaying to invoke Article 50??? To cause more damage???

You voted to leave, so start the process now and immediately.....what is there to wait until you have a new PM? You wanted out so desperately, so get out!

Farage already stepped back from one big promise of the campaign, just give it some more time and more and more of what was promised will disappear or will get conveniently forgotten.

 

[citizenx]

So why delaying to invoke Article 50??? To cause more damage???

You voted to leave, so start the process now and immediately.....what is there to wait until you have a new PM? You wanted out so desperately, so get out!

I'd tend to agree we should get on with it.

Here's the thing - Cameron is going, the government does not have a mandate to negotiate brexit.

They were on the losing side and have effectively been given a vote of no confidence by the nation.

Corbyn may or may not be gone very soon, as leader of the opposition, that's another factor we have to take into account.

If it was up to me, Cameron would have left Downing St today, calling a snap election. The parties would have to quickly pick their new leaders, create a mandate and campaign.

That's all a bit quick, so maybe a couple of months to do all these things ahead of an election.

There is a two year time limit from submitting article 50 notification to leaving. So it makes sense to wait until we have a government with a mandate to do the negotiation rather than losing months with an untenable government and PM.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'd tend to agree we should get on with it.

Here's the thing - Cameron is going, the government does not have a mandate to negotiate brexit.

They were on the losing side and have effectively been given a vote of no confidence by the nation.

Corbyn may or may not be gone very soon, as leader of the opposition, that's another factor we have to take into account.

If it was up to me, Cameron would have left Downing St today, calling a snap election. The parties would have to quickly pick their new leaders, create a mandate and campaign.

That's all a bit quick, so maybe a couple of months to do all these things ahead of an election.

**There is a two year time limit from submitting article 50 notification to leaving. So it makes sense to wait until we have a government with a mandate to do the negotiation rather than losing months with an untenable government and PM.

With all due respect, but that is only an excuse.

You could invoke Article 50 as early as next week. I am sure you will find enough suited and qualified candidates to fill up the negotiation committee. Only a small part will be politicians anyway, most will be lawyers, industry leaders etc. etc.

**The time limit can be extended if all 27 member states agree, so that doesn't count as a reason either. And you will probably need 4-5 years until all is done, so you think it would be right to wait 3 years and hold the rest of the EU/world at ransom until the British feel ready???

As i said, you voted LEAVE, so on your horses please

 

[citizenx]

With all due respect, but that is only an excuse.

You could invoke Article 50 as early as next week. I am sure you will find enough suited and qualified candidates to fill up the negotiation committee. Only a small part will be politicians anyway, most will be lawyers, industry leaders etc. etc.

**The time limit can be extended if all 27 member states agree, so that doesn't count as a reason either. And you will probably need 4-5 years until all is done, so you think it would be right to wait 3 years and hold the rest of the EU/world at ransom until the British feel ready???

As i said, you voted LEAVE, so on your horses please

If I was in charge, it would already have been done!

What i'm saying is i'm trying to understand the thinking of our current leaders.

Of course, they were against it so are probably just looking for a way to ignore us but my thining is that this is the reason.

You can't make demands of the people now, this is entirely out of our hands.

 

[Harry_BKK]

If I was in charge, it would already have been done!

What i'm saying is i'm trying to understand the thinking of our current leaders.

Of course, they were against it so are probably just looking for a way to ignore us but my thining is that this is the reason.

You can't make demands of the people now, this is entirely out of our hands.

You voted, so it is in your and your hands alone.

That your leaders, who promised that they will follow the will of the people/voters, now step down and are using delaying tactics to invoke Article 50, in my view the only reason being to improve the negotiation outlook/position, is an affront to the EU and all its people, all 425Mio in now 27 countries.

 

[citizenx]

You voted, so it is in your and your hands alone.

That your leaders, who promised that they will follow the will of the people/voters, now step down and are using delaying tactics to invoke Article 50, in my view the only reason being to improve the negotiation outlook/position, is an affront to the EU and all its people, all 425Mio in now 27 countries.

OK, so I proclaim Article 50 is invoked. Done.

Now what?

What is it you expect people to do?

 

[dunover]

Britain invades 90% of the world then complains about immigrants!

Had to laugh at this one,.....

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[ternur]

With all due respect, but that is only an excuse.

You could invoke Article 50 as early as next week. I am sure you will find enough suited and qualified candidates to fill up the negotiation committee. Only a small part will be politicians anyway, most will be lawyers, industry leaders etc. etc.

**The time limit can be extended if all 27 member states agree, so that doesn't count as a reason either. And you will probably need 4-5 years until all is done, so you think it would be right to wait 3 years and hold the rest of the EU/world at ransom until the British feel ready???

As i said, you voted LEAVE, so on your horses please

I'll bet it's going to be even longer, around a decade or so. The complexity of the EU law, and its implications to UK law over the course of about 40 years, is a big task to sort out. Tremendous one. After giving their Article 50 notification to the EU, UK will basicly hand over the decision making power to other EU member states. The power really shifts from UK in this regard. UK might not get the terms of exit they want.

It will be an interesting process to watch for sure.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'll bet it's going to be even longer, around a decade or so. The complexity of the EU law, and its implications to UK law over the course of about 40 years, is a big task to sort out. Tremendous one. After giving their Article 50 notification to the EU, UK will basicly hand over the decision making power to other EU member states. The power really shifts from UK in this regard. UK might not get the terms of exit they want.

It will be an interesting process to watch for sure.

So you think UK law is sooooo simple? May i remind you that many EU laws were only possible with an unanimous vote by all member states, hence also your MEP's. So please stop pushing all the "negatives" to the EU.

So UK will hold the rest of the EU ransom until they get the terms they want?

So you want out but only on your terms or on such that suit you?

Are you for real? You wanted out, now invoke Article 50 and bear the consequences.

 

[dave1888]

The whole idea really is terrifying not just economically which will be disastrous because trading will collapse as stated already but what about the domino effect it's going to have all over Europe I can see the entire UK splitting if this can happen anything can.
There's already been talks of N'n Ireland leaving the UK as well as Scotland...Yes we were basically in a nanny state whilst in the EU with no say over anything but Boris Johnson as Prime minister gives me the shivers.
I just feel as though everything has weakened now if I thought it would be for the greater good I'd be all for this but I'm just seeing serious repercussions as a result.
I guess we'll just need to make do with this new situation somehow however horrendous it turns out to be for everybody concerned. By what I've heard on the news if we go into a recession again there's zero safety net we're screwed....

 

[ternur]

So you think UK law is sooooo simple? May i remind you that many EU laws were only possible with an unanimous vote by all member states, hence also your MEP's. So please stop pushing all the "negatives" to the EU.

So UK will hold the rest of the EU ransom until they get the terms they want?

So you want out but only on your terms or on such that suit you?

Are you for real? You wanted out, now invoke Article 50 and bear the consequences.

I don't know Harry, I'm not from the UK and I'm actually pro-EU. Perhaps you misread what I was saying.

What I tried to get across, is that EU and UK laws are very much intertwined, and sorting out what UK wants and what they want to get rid of, is a big task. And UK is not driving the negotiations of the exit, the other EU members are.

So to answer your questions: Yes, I'm for real. And would have loved to see UK remain in the EU.

 

[Dinahnana]

I'll bet it's going to be even longer, around a decade or so. The complexity of the EU law, and its implications to UK law over the course of about 40 years, is a big task to sort out. Tremendous one. After giving their Article 50 notification to the EU, UK will basicly hand over the decision making power to other EU member states. The power really shifts from UK in this regard. UK might not get the terms of exit they want.

It will be an interesting process to watch for sure.

I am not sure the time table you are suggesting will happen. Some of the EU leaders are calling for Article 50 be triggered sooner rather than later. Next weeks summit will be held without the UK present for the most part. The EU will not want or does it need a long exit from the EU for the UK. They will want it to start pretty soon in order to maintain stability within the remaining EU nations.

On a side note it is interesting to see all the interviews on the various news networks on the reasons some people chose to vote to leave. 95% or so are people stating that the reason they voted is because immigrants are taking over or other such nonsense. I think many of those people are not going to get the result they want. Many immigrants in the UK will be allowed to stay so that won't make them happy.

The next couple of years are going to be very messy indeed.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't know Harry, I'm not from the UK and I'm actually pro-EU. Perhaps you misread what I was saying.

What I tried to get across, is that EU and UK laws are very much intertwined, and sorting out what UK wants and what they want to get rid of, is a big task. And UK is not driving the negotiations of the exit, the other EU members are.

So to answer your questions: Yes, I'm for real. And would have loved to see UK remain in the EU.

LOL... sorry, my energy is getting the better of me.

Agree of course, it will take years to adapt the laws to "just UK"

I was sure they will remain in the EU and would have liked for them to stay. What i was referring to is the delay they start now to put on.

It has been 3 years since Cameron threw the word "referendum" the first time into the open. Ever since a lot has been on hold, waiting for an outcome and now he pushes all back until October. What is there to wait? You wanted independence, now take it and be happy.

Personally, i chose independence nearly 10 years ago and left Europe. Result is that i do not have a safety net now and have to fend for myself on each occasion. Overall, i am a happier person though but i certainly did not make 100 people (speak EU) around me wait until i cherry pick what i want to take with me on departure.

 

[Dinahnana]

The whole idea really is terrifying not just economically which will be disastrous because trading will collapse as stated already but what about the domino effect it's going to have all over Europe I can see the entire UK splitting if this can happen anything can.
There's already been talks of N'n Ireland leaving the UK as well as Scotland...Yes we were basically in a nanny state whilst in the EU with no say over anything but Boris Johnson as Prime minister gives me the shivers.
I just feel as though everything has weakened now if I thought it would be for the greater good I'd be all for this but I'm just seeing serious repercussions as a result.
I guess we'll just need to make do with this new situation somehow however horrendous it turns out to be for everybody concerned. By what I've heard on the news if we go into a recession again there's zero safety net we're screwed....

One answer for that Dave, if Scotland calls for another referendum to leave the UK vote leave so Scotland can remain in the EU.

 

[ternur]

LOL... sorry, my energy is getting the better of me.

Agree of course, it will take years to adapt the laws to "just UK"

I was sure they will remain in the EU and would have liked for them to stay. What i was referring to is the delay they start now to put on.

It has been 3 years since Cameron threw the word "referendum" the first time into the open. Ever since a lot has been on hold, waiting for an outcome and now he pushes all back until October. What is there to wait? You wanted independence, now take it and be happy.

Personally, i chose independence nearly 10 years ago and left Europe. Result is that i do not have a safety net now and have to fend for myself on each occasion. Overall, i am a happier person though but i certainly did not make 100 people (speak EU) around me wait until i cherry pick what i want to take with me on departure.

No worries Harry. I agree with your statement, that since they want out, they should do so without unnecessary delays. Just send in the notification and start the process.

 

[dave1888]

One answer for that Dave, if Scotland calls for another referendum to leave the UK vote leave so Scotland can remain in the EU.

Think I'll need to because contrary to popular belief we do need Europe for dozens of reasons a few which I mentioned before. This is nothing against England or English people which I am friends with and get on with better than some people I know in real life. It's due to the way the country is being governed the people in power at Westminster are getting more abysmal by the second, it's a complete mess and now even worse. It's almost non optional to bail now. My vote along with everyone else in Scotland's was disregarded,overruled by the majority down south. Might as well just have asked England to vote and leave everyone else to sit back and watch.

 

[goatwack]

I just had a stunning thought.

Does this mean that (gulp)....the UK will no longer be able to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest?

 

[Dinahnana]

Think I'll need to because contrary to popular belief we do need Europe for dozens of reasons a few which I mentioned before. This is nothing against England or English people which I am friends with and get on with better than some people I know in real life. It's due to the way the country is being governed the people in power at Westminster are getting more abysmal by the second, it's a complete mess and now even worse. It's almost non optional to bail now. My vote along with everyone else in Scotland's was disregarded,overruled by the majority down south. Might as well just have asked England to vote and leave everyone else to sit back and watch.

As I said in a previous post this situation is very messy. I do hope that if Scotland does decide to call for another referendum it does it at the right time and independence is achieved. This vote has divided the UK as far as I can see and can have far reaching consequences and a real possibility of the break up of the United Kingdom.

 

[Dinahnana]

I just had a stunning thought.

Does this mean that (gulp)....the UK will no longer be able to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest?

No worries there! UK may be out of the EU but it is still part of Europe so they will be able to participate in the Eurovision

 

[goatwack]

No worries there! UK may be out of the EU but it is still part of Europe so they will be able to participate in the Eurovision

Phew. Now we can really punish the rest of Europe with our tone-deaf compositions to show them what they're missing!!

 

[Dinahnana]

Phew. Now we can really punish the rest of Europe with our tone-deaf compositions to show them what they're missing!!

Thanks Gotwack I really needed a laugh today!

 

[dunover]

One answer for that Dave, if Scotland calls for another referendum to leave the UK vote leave so Scotland can remain in the EU.

Doesn't work like that. Scotland are technically out of the EU and would have to re-join UNLESS they chose to leave the UK before the transitional period was up.