The Australian Interactive Gambling Act 2001- Will Hill Bans Australian Players...

[Forever01]

This is a shout out to specifically Australian players, however all shout backs are welcome.

In brief, an Australian Resident is legally allowed to play at an online casino.

It is however, illegal for a casino operator to allow an Australian Resident to play at their casino.

This is almost a contradiction if you ask me.

Will Hill has recently banned Australian Residents from playing at their casinos.

Because I make a full time income from online gaming, I sincerely hope this is not the first chain of a possibility of all online casinos eventually not accepting Australian players...

What are your thoughts and opinions??

 

[Forever01]

Australian Interactive Gambling Act 2001

This is a shout out to specifically Australian players, however all shout backs are welcome.

In brief, an Australian Resident is legally allowed to play at an online casino.

It is however, illegal for a casino operator to allow an Australian Resident to play at their casino.

This is almost a contradiction if you ask me.

Will Hill has recently banned Australian Residents from playing at their casinos.

Because I make a full time income from online gaming, I sincerely hope this is not the first chain of a possibility of all online casinos eventually not accepting Australian players...

What are your thoughts and opinions??

 

[mattsgame]

Won't happen, the Australian market is too lucrative for online casinos and no one is yet to be prosecuted here for providing such a service. We should be pushing to have it regulated here and not going backwards and as far as I am aware we are heading in the right direction.

TBH I didn't like Will Hill so its no much of a loss from my perspective

 

[Forever01]

Interactive Gaming ILLEGAL??

It is apparently illegal for Casino Operators to allow anyone physically located in Australia to play at their Online Casinos.

Yet so many Online Casinos are happily accepting players from Australia, even though it is illegal to do so, according to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001

So how are they getting away with it?

I am so curious.

 

[jetset]

There's currently a lot of debate going on Downunder on internet gambling following the release of the government's review of the Interactive Gambling Act (see news reports in Casinomeister's News Section)

The review, which is open to comment at present, suggests that government is considering a trial period for online poker.

The Australian federal government's recommendations on how to improve the 11-year-old Interactive Gambling Act in order to halt illegal offshore operators and improve consumer protection contains 35 proposals that are open for consultation and debate.

It includes possible measures to discourage offshore online gambling such as ISP filtering and financial restrictions, and wants to tighten up on existing laws, which it deemed to be ineffective.

On the positive side, it suggests:

* Online poker tournaments and live sports betting online could be legalised, but not casino games. A trial period is proposed.

* Forbid micro-betting.

* Betfair in Australia and Sportsbet have both joined Tabcorp in welcoming the proposals.

* Required measures to reduce problem gambling could include self-exclusion, pre-commitment, dynamic warnings and easily accessible data on how much a gambler is spending.

* In-play betting will remain legal by phone or in person, and the report recommends extending this to the internet.

* National standards for harm minimisation from gambling, including responsible gambling messaging, credit betting, inducements, marketing, self-exclusion and requirements for arrangements with sports controlling bodies.

So, all in all not an entirely negative picture, as evidenced by the howl of protest from anti-gambling people like Sen Xenophon.

 

[Simmo!]

Any bans that do come will, IMO, come from either brands that have a high-street presence (like Hills) or the software providers. Aristocrat, IGT and WMS already block Aussies for example. Or, as is more likely, when they all get wind of potential positive changes ahead re regulation, more will stop taking Aussies just so they can be seen to be on the right side of the law ahead of licence applications.

 

[rockycatt]

its a peaceful act of disobedience /rebellion

 

[KasinoKing]

It is apparently illegal for Casino Operators to allow anyone physically located in Australia to play at their Online Casinos.
Yet so many Online Casinos are happily accepting players from Australia, even though it is illegal to do so, according to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001
So how are they getting away with it?
I am so curious.

Isn't it only illegal for online casinos who are based in Australia themselves, to offer online gaming to Australians?

Whether it is or isn't, the vast majority of casinos are beyond the reach of any Australian laws anyway - so they just don't give a sh*t!

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

Why 3 separate opening posts (2 identical) all on the same subject?
It would have been better to keep this discussion to 1 thread, not split it 3 ways IMHO.

KK

 

[anniemac]

Welcome to my world!

 

[Silencio]

It is apparently illegal for Casino Operators to allow anyone physically located in Australia to play at their Online Casinos.

Yet so many Online Casinos are happily accepting players from Australia, even though it is illegal to do so, according to the Interactive Gambling Act 2001

So how are they getting away with it?

I am so curious.

Politicians think of this brilliant idea, then the law has to follow up on it.. but that takes a lot of effort. And if they don't follow up on it, I think operators are willing to take the risk. Cause probably if they get caught, the fine they have to pay is nothing compared to the profit they make. Plus if they don't hand out licenses like Denmark for instance the operators don't have a lot of choices left.

 

[Nifty29]

This is a shout out to specifically Australian players, however all shout backs are welcome.

In brief, an Australian Resident is legally allowed to play at an online casino.

It is however, illegal for a casino operator to allow an Australian Resident to play at their casino.

This is almost a contradiction if you ask me.

Will Hill has recently banned Australian Residents from playing at their casinos.

Because I make a full time income from online gaming, I sincerely hope this is not the first chain of a possibility of all online casinos eventually not accepting Australian players...

What are your thoughts and opinions??

A full time income from online gambling???

Ummm....you must have found a way to cheat, or you play poker.

Care to share your secrets?

 

[KasinoKing]

A full time income from online gambling???
Ummm....you must have found a way to cheat, or you play poker.
Care to share your secrets?

Maybe he's not a player, but works in Online Gaming... ?

KK

 

[maxd]

It would have been better to keep this discussion to 1 thread, not split it 3 ways IMHO.

Quite so, not to mention that cross-posting is a violation of the Forum Rules. Threads merged.

 

[Forever01]

Any bans that do come will, IMO, come from either brands that have a high-street presence (like Hills) or the software providers. Aristocrat, IGT and WMS already block Aussies for example. Or, as is more likely, when they all get wind of potential positive changes ahead re regulation, more will stop taking Aussies just so they can be seen to be on the right side of the law ahead of licence applications.

For clarity, are you saying that IYO, we will eventually see all Operators banning Australian Residents from playing online?

 

[Forever01]

A full time income from online gambling???

Ummm....you must have found a way to cheat, or you play poker.

Care to share your secrets?

People have a similar response when I tell them that I make a full time income from Day Trading. I think the secret to any success is genuine desire backed by persistence. Though I wouldn't exactly call this a secret, more common sense, which we all know is not so...

Cheers

 

[Forever01]

For clarity, are you saying that IYO, we will eventually see all Operators banning Australian Residents from playing online?

Notice I said Online Gaming, not gambling. Think about it. Take as long as you need.

 

[Forever01]

People have a similar response when I tell them that I make a full time income from Day Trading. I think the secret to any success is genuine desire backed by persistence. Though I wouldn't exactly call this a secret, more common sense, which we all know is not so...

Cheers

Notice I said Online Gaming, not gambling. Think about it. Take as long as you need.

 

[Nifty29]

People have a similar response when I tell them that I make a full time income from Day Trading. I think the secret to any success is genuine desire backed by persistence. Though I wouldn't exactly call this a secret, more common sense, which we all know is not so...

Cheers

Ummmm....yeah. OK.

Yet another one.

Take as long as you like.

 

[Forever01]

Quite so, not to mention that cross-posting is a violation of the Forum Rules. Threads merged.

Oops.

 

[Forever01]

Ummmm....yeah. OK.

Yet another one.

Take as long as you like.

Your above statement does not make sense.

 

[mattsgame]

This is a shout out to specifically Australian players, however all shout backs are welcome.

In brief, an Australian Resident is legally allowed to play at an online casino.

It is however, illegal for a casino operator to allow an Australian Resident to play at their casino.

This is almost a contradiction if you ask me.

Will Hill has recently banned Australian Residents from playing at their casinos.

Because I make a full time income from online gaming, I sincerely hope this is not the first chain of a possibility of all online casinos eventually not accepting Australian players...

What are your thoughts and opinions??

Ok I have done a bit of reading/research on this over the last few days and it has nothing to do with Will Hill being worried about Australian player or fines etc, it is more to do with $$ elsewhere (Nevada U.S.A)

Whether other companies follow suit or not I don't really know but I am highly doubting to many will pull out of AUS.

 

[Forever01]

Ok I have done a bit of reading/research on this over the last few days and it has nothing to do with Will Hill being worried about Australian player or fines etc, it is more to do with $$ elsewhere (Nevada U.S.A)

Whether other companies follow suit or not I don't really know but I am highly doubting to many will pull out of AUS.

Good work. I've been chatting with staff abroad and it's clear that the majority of operators would not be affected by an Austalian law, as if it is legal for them in their own country to offer the services to Australians, then the Australian law really holds little if any power. I still find it odd that while it is not illegal for an Australian resident to sign up and play at an online casino, it is illegal apparently for an online casino to welcome Australian residents, it really almost makes no sense.

It's like saying its illegal for someone to let an Australian drive a car, yet it is perfectly legal if an Australian chooses to drive a car. So I don't really see what they are aiming to achieve by insisting that operators cease allowing Australians to do something they are allowed to do.

 

[Antonia1953]

It should be illegal for an Australian to drive a car.

 

[mattsgame]

Good work. I've been chatting with staff abroad and it's clear that the majority of operators would not be affected by an Austalian law, as if it is legal for them in their own country to offer the services to Australians, then the Australian law really holds little if any power. I still find it odd that while it is not illegal for an Australian resident to sign up and play at an online casino, it is illegal apparently for an online casino to welcome Australian residents, it really almost makes no sense.

It's like saying its illegal for someone to let an Australian drive a car, yet it is perfectly legal if an Australian chooses to drive a car. So I don't really see what they are aiming to achieve by insisting that operators cease allowing Australians to do something they are allowed to do.

That my friend is the Australian Government for you

 

[oliberjobs]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Australian govt. eventually banned online gaming altogether and blocked all online casinos, especially with the onset of smartphone technology, one Senator was quoted as saying that potentially these could be "portable pokie machines.". A very hot topic in Australia, first there was no smoking in casinos and pubs then limitations on the number of machines a pub could have, then consideration was given to limiting how much a person could bet per spin, then removing chairs at poker machines...I doubt any change will come soon given we could be coming up for an election soon and as both labour and liberal do not want to piss of the heavy hitters that control online and land based casinos (they do get a hefty chunk of revenue.

 

[Forever01]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Australian govt. eventually banned online gaming altogether and blocked all online casinos, especially with the onset of smartphone technology, one Senator was quoted as saying that potentially these could be "portable pokie machines.". A very hot topic in Australia, first there was no smoking in casinos and pubs then limitations on the number of machines a pub could have, then consideration was given to limiting how much a person could bet per spin, then removing chairs at poker machines...I doubt any change will come soon given we could be coming up for an election soon and as both labour and liberal do not want to piss of the heavy hitters that control online and land based casinos (they do get a hefty chunk of revenue.

Some good points. The more I think about it though, there really is nothing they could do, most licensed operators are located abroad, and if there law states that serving Australian customers is ok, then what can an Australian law do? Australia should really open up there own online casinos I think this would be a very profitable venture. Australia are one of the highest percentage of gamblers worldwide, so why not.

 

[oliberjobs]

Some good points. The more I think about it though, there really is nothing they could do, most licensed operators are located abroad, and if there law states that serving Australian customers is ok, then what can an Australian law do? Australia should really open up there own online casinos I think this would be a very profitable venture. Australia are one of the highest percentage of gamblers worldwide, so why not.

I don't think the law actually states it is okay in Australia to gamble online with overseas operators, it's just that there is no law which addresses the issue. The Australian govt, could go down the path of what is currently being experienced by most U.S based players. I agree with you that online casinos would be very profitable, however the social backlash of having one up and running I think would stop this ever happening. Look at the amount of flack that Packer is getting over his plans to open a casino at Bangaroo. The Greens and Independents would not back legalising online gaming within Australian. A legal casino accessible in every household...

 

[mattsgame]

Its all to muddy down here in Aus, no one can make up there mind about the damn "pokie reforms".

Then we have Abbott who said he would like to make a stand about online gambling if he was in power, "he does not want every phone to be a poker machine" That's all fair and well but Mr Abbot is a spokesperson for Club's Australia, so of course he would want to take this stance and wipe out any competition.

Then we have Stephen Conroy and co back flipping on in-play betting. Your guess is as good as mine about were Australia is heading toward online gambling 9more so casinos)

I have my doubt's that we will take the U.S way of things though.

I will quote Jetset here

In the pioneering years of the industry, Australia was regarded with respect as one of the more savvy and progressive federal governments in introducing regulatory and licensing laws for online gambling.

Sadly, the politicians did an about-face resulting in today's more negative approach.