Taking on a crazy bonus just for the playtime....

[KasinoKing]

I was absolutely kicking myself, with £107,000 wagered and a bankroll of £2400, wagering the last £15,000 would have been a piece of cake if I'd just stuck to slots I knew at low to medium variance.

Been there - got the T-shirt!
(Though with much smaller WR targets than yours on this occasion!)

KK

 

[Refilliates Casinos]

The results are in!



Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Update on changes requested to Autoplay: Kindly note that Rival have advised that the lead developers are currently working on the new lobby project before tackling the issues raised by the members here. We will keep chasing them until we have delivered on your requests.

Also note that should we see any complaints or feedback about any Rival casino posted here, we share it with Rival's Account Manager who then takes any necessary action.

Regards,
Tropica

 

[flatman]

Tropica

these playthroughs might seem impossible.ive won on on them and not just once.

ive done it on a 95 times play,the total play was 100 00, it payed

Dont play the max cash outs,play the no max cash out,

there is a way if you read the percentage payout off this group,its across the boared on all sites.

egne site on the day you play might be set for min pay percentage,and another site will be pating the higher.

Im not complimenting them in anyway ive been jerked around on payout at a good few rival.its up to you too fight youre case.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Hi Tropica,

Feel free to share the video with whoever you wish, it's public domain

Sorry to hear that the autoplay changes aren't imminent though

 

[aceking123]

hi so am i right in thinking that tropica are good to go , as i do have a account with them but not parted with any monies there , due to my last problems with orange gamez , although i did get finaly paid i had to jump through far to many hoops to get it , so its been a very very long time since ive made any deposits in any rival casinos , i only have 2 rival casinos on the pc , sloto & tropica ???

 

[KasinoKing]

Look what I just hit at Tropica on one of your favourite slots, Chopley!
Bet x243
(And when I only had about $8 left on my balance!)

 

[flatman]

rival

yea u can get those wins on rival.depends how u turn the coin

its really up to u ,and wot you willing to wager,and how much you wanto risk.

you could also spend 500 credits on one machine get 0.spend 1 credit on another,get simaler.

i played 2 credits on one site and got 2400,also depends wot side off the flip coin you play

both those screen shots have differnt play functions

1 wil allow a big bet

the other limits youre bet

its up yo you iff you want to play or not,

nobody can tell you and i cant tout for the casino cause .you might win ,rival is easy to win

payment,iff you are new it will be quick ,the further you go down the line,well ill leave it there

 

[Nifty29]

Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Update on changes requested to Autoplay: Kindly note that Rival have advised that the lead developers are currently working on the new lobby project before tackling the issues raised by the members here. We will keep chasing them until we have delivered on your requests.

Also note that should we see any complaints or feedback about any Rival casino posted here, we share it with Rival's Account Manager who then takes any necessary action.

Regards,
Tropica

In other words, Rival will do what they always do - bugger all.

It's nice that you tried, but we've heard all this before. Rival always say they have other projects....well to operators at least, as they don't communicate with players.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's nice that you tried, but we've heard all this before. Rival always say they have other projects....well to operators at least, as they don't communicate with players.

I wish Rival communicated more with their players like Microgaming do, in fact, I was reading Microgaming's 'work in progress' page on their website just the other day in fact.

Oh, hang on.....

Lest we forget stuff like this - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/thinking-somethings-changed-at-microgaming.26802/

I'm not saying Rival are perfect, but at the same time, let's not suggest they're doing things any differently to any other software provider.

 

[flatman]

rival

yes hit the nail on the head pay small,nothing big.

customer support piss poor if you win

customer service great for cashout 250 and less

win at one ,they flag you

cash out at one low they pay

cash out again with a bigger withdrawl they want notirized docs wich you have to pay for


stalling tactics are unbearable

latest been DENDRA who is meant to be under new managment to accomadate USA players,its the same ,just another way to get more players

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Chopley returns seeking REVENGE!

Obviously there was no way on earth I wasn't going to have another go at this.....

Same casino, same bonus, same wagering requirement.

Will I make it this time?

 

[Jufo]

Obviously there was no way on earth I wasn't going to have another go at this.....

Same casino, same bonus, same wagering requirement.

Will I make it this time?



You almost made it last time but you should have grinded out the £15k remaining WR with minimum risk as at that point even a 90% RTP during the last part of wagering would have given you the maximum cashout. So my suggestion is that you try to have a bit more of a strategy this time and not just "gambling fun".

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You almost made it last time but you should have grinded out the £15k remaining WR with minimum risk as at that point even a 90% RTP during the last part of wagering would have given you the maximum cashout. So my suggestion is that you try to have a bit more of a strategy this time and not just "gambling fun".

That was with a strategy After I bust out the first time I was determined to play the bonus better second time, remember the first time I took the bonus I really was only after the 'gambling fun', the idea that it could be beaten with a strategy only really occurred to me afterwards.

So the plan second time around was to increase my bankroll early on with a high variance slot, and then grind out the WR on the highest RTP slot that Rival have on their books, The Back Nine. (Which has a 99% RTP with perfect strategy on the bonus round.)

The video I just linked to is my SECOND attempt at the bonus, the previous video was my first attempt where I bust out.

When you have a 99% RTP slot contributing 100% to the wagering requirement, the 1777% bonus doesn't only start to look beatable, it actually becomes PROBABLE that the player will beat it.

 

[Jufo]

That was with a strategy After I bust out the first time I was determined to play the bonus better second time, remember the first time I took the bonus I really was only after the 'gambling fun', the idea that it could be beaten with a strategy only really occurred to me afterwards.

So the plan second time around was to increase my bankroll early on with a high variance slot, and then grind out the WR on the highest RTP slot that Rival have on their books, The Back Nine. (Which has a 99% RTP with perfect strategy on the bonus round.)

The video I just linked to is my SECOND attempt at the bonus, the previous video was my first attempt where I bust out.

When you have a 99% RTP slot contributing 100% to the wagering requirement, the 1777% bonus doesn't only start to look beatable, it actually becomes PROBABLE that the player will beat it.

Oh I see now. I didn't watch the video yet so I thought that it just shows you getting started with the second bonus, but I saw now that it also shows the end result. Well done!

Interestingly, I posted earlier that based on my computer simulations, in those times when you DO meet the WR, your average end balance is ~5000 which seems to be exactly what you ended up with.

I also thought that you can cashout your deposit in addition to the maximum £888. I am glad you noticed that and didn't play everything above £888 away before withdrawing

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh I see now. I didn't watch the video yet so I thought that it you had just started with the second bonus but I saw now that the video also shows the end result. Well done!

Interestingly I posted in post #41 that based on my computer simulations, in those times when you DO meet the WR, your expected end balance is ~5000 which seems to be exactly what you ended up with.

If there really is a 99% slot then obviously it changes things completely and increases the value of this bonus. Are you sure that The Back Nine truly pays out though and does the bonus game require a lot of skill?

I also figured that you can cashout your deposit in addition to the £888. I am glad you noticed that on time and didn't play everything above £888 away

Hi Jufo,

Well Tropica have changed the T&Cs of the bonus now so that should tell you all need to know about The Back Nine's RTP It now only contributes to the WR at 10%, instead of 100% when I beat the bonus.

I stumbled upon the bonus by accident as I was genuinely just after the playtime, but when I nearly beat it on the first attempt it became pretty clear to me that it was easily beatable with optimal strategy, so I decided to have a proper go at it.

Here are the chances of meeting a £122,000 WR from a £1877 bankroll. (Easiest way to work this out is to simply divide the bankroll by the house edge expressed as a decimal, i.e. a 95% RTP slot has a house edge of 5% so just divide the bankroll by 0.05, which therefore assumes that each spin 'costs' 5p.)

95% RTP - 1877 / 0.05 = £37,540 wagered before bust-out

96% RTP - 1877 / 0.04 = £46,925

97% RTP - 1877 / 0.03 = £62,566

98% RTP - 1877 / 0.02 = £93,850

99% RTP - 1877 / 0.01 = £187,700 - OOPS!

So what I did for the second attempt was:

1) First increase my bankroll on a high variance slot, this was the biggest gamble of the whole endeavour but I'd rather have taken the gamble early on, so that if I bust out I could just try again quickly.
2) Move to the highest RTP slot on Rival's books, The Back Nine, which has a 98-99% RTP depending on your performance in the bonus round (it's true skill).
3) See out the WR exclusively playing The Back Nine, which should comfortably be achieved at 98% RTP or higher.
4) Cash out.

The bonus round on The Back Nine isn't that tricky, I don't think a massive amount of the RTP is tied up in it anyway (I'd estimate around 35%), and even if you completely mess it up you still get paid over 50% of the round's value as compared to getting a hole in one. A hole in two is consistently achievable and that pays 75% of the value of a hole in one. By the end of the session I was routinely completing all nine holes with all hole in ones or hole in twos - on that basis I'd say I was comfortably achieving an RTP of over 98%, which MASSIVELY changes the viability of the bonus as compared to a slot at 95-96%.

(It amazes me how people just can't seem to grasp how small changes in RTP of just 1% and 2% can make HUGE changes to a player's expected overall results over time.)

But yes, Tropica have changed the terms and conditions of this bonus quite dramatically now

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[Jufo]

Well Tropica have changed the T&Cs of the bonus now so that should tell you all need to know about The Back Nine's RTP It now only contributes to the WR at 10%, instead of 100% when I beat the bonus.

Dammit. Now others cannot repeat your success with this bonus

Here are the chances of meeting a £122,000 WR from a £1877 bankroll. (Easiest way to work this out is to simply divide the bankroll by the house edge expressed as a decimal, i.e. a 95% RTP slot has a house edge of 5% so just divide the bankroll by 0.05, which therefore assumes that each spin 'costs' 5p.)

95% RTP - 1877 / 0.05 = £37,540 wagered before bust-out

96% RTP - 1877 / 0.04 = £46,925

97% RTP - 1877 / 0.03 = £62,566

98% RTP - 1877 / 0.02 = £93,850

99% RTP - 1877 / 0.01 = £187,700 - OOPS!

The above values are only average values. YOU CAN play a 95% slot and meet the playthrough of £120,000. This is counterbalanced by the times when you bust out much more quickly than after £37,540. It actually takes a computer simulation to work out the odds, which I did earlier in this thread.

So what I did for the second attempt was:

1) First increase my bankroll on a high variance slot, this was the biggest gamble of the whole endeavour but I'd rather have taken the gamble early on, so that if I bust out I could just try again quickly.
2) Move to the highest RTP slot on Rival's books, The Back Nine, which has a 98-99% RTP depending on your performance in the bonus round (it's true skill).
3) See out the WR exclusively playing The Back Nine, which should comfortably be achieved at 98% RTP or higher.
4) Cash out.

Yes, well this is how an advantage player or AP plays slot bonuses so welcome to their club! It looks like you are quickly developing from a recreational gambler into an AP

(It amazes me how people just can't seem to grasp how small changes in RTP of just 1% and 2% can make HUGE changes to a player's expected overall results over time.)

Yeah, this is very true. The effect is dramatic. And yet casinos/affiliates sometimes have the habit of saying to players: Why are you being such a nitpick when it comes to RTP? Why are you trying to extract that last fraction of a percent instead of just having fun? They sometimes make you feel guilty about being a nitpick about RTP. And at the same time the casinos themselves look for every opportunity to increase the HE, even if only slightly, because they know how big difference it makes to their own bottom line.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Dammit. Now others cannot repeat your success with this bonus

I don't think that's a bad thing TBH Jufo, on the old T&Cs the bonus is not only beatable, but it's easily and consistently beatable. (I'd estimate the chances of beating it to be over 50%, and because the maximum player exposure is only £100, and because the bonus can be taken again immediately after a failed attempt, it's basically a dead cert lose for the casino. I'm just amazed that Tropica hadn't already been obliterated by it )

It's the kind of bonus that if 250 players all hit it together, they could easily leave the casino £250K out of pocket, and that's probably getting into the realms of 'out of business'.

The above values are only average values. YOU CAN play a 95% slot and meet the playthrough of £120,000. This is counterbalanced by the times when you bust out much more quickly than after £37,540. It actually takes a computer simulation to work out the odds, which I did earlier in this thread.

Indeed, but my strategy - (early raise on a high variance slot then see out WR at 98%+ on The Back Nine which is a low-med variance slot so achieves its expected RTP fairly reliably and quickly) - makes it getting on for a dead cert, certainly I can't imagine it not being beaten before the player gets paid more than he's had to invest.

Yes, well this is how an advantage player or AP plays slot bonuses so welcome to their club! It looks like you are quickly developing from a recreational gambler into an AP

Nah it won't change me, I was playing at Jackpot Party last night and their slots have just a 92% RTP on the base games

 

[Nifty29]

I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.

 

[mattsgame]

I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.

This bonus is easy to beat if you are as mathematically minded and self controlled like Chopley, bonus hunters would love it. The thing is, he won't be doing it to often because they will take away his bonuses, or that one in particular at least as soon as its beat that will be it.

Bonuses like these really are not designed for player retention in my eyes, they are used to get payers that are not as sound minded as Chopley etc suckered in. The casino is not stupid, hence the change to Back Nine already.

Congrats on beating it and the winnings Chopley

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

The first time was over a week, but remember the first time I took the bonus I genuinely was just after the playtime and had no real interest in, or expectation of, beating it.

The second time I was simply focused on achieving the result, I started at around 22:30 a Friday evening, and was done by about 23:00 on Sunday, so about 72 hours - but of course I wasn't at my PC for 72 hours I'd estimate that actual slotting was around 12-13 hours in a 72 hour period.

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.

They've removed all their highest paying slots from the promotion now, plus they've made the bonus sticky and introduced an extra cashout clause. It's a much tougher bonus to beat now. Not impossible, but I certainly won't be taking it on again!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Having a crack at the 1111% bonus

Didn't seem worth starting a new thread for this but I'm currently underway on Tropica's 1111% bonus.

(My babble about it starts from this page - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/jackpot-party.54308/ )

The terms for this bonus are far harsher than the 1777% bonus back when I beat it.

Main differences are:

1) Bonus is sticky.
2) You need more than the bonus amount to be able to withdraw anything.
3) Withdrawal is capped at 0.5x the bonus.

On the plus side, it's a £1332 bankroll to play with from a deposit of just £110, and all slots contribute 100% (which is an improvement on the 1777% bonus). Scary Rich 1/2 are capped at £2 per spin, all other slots seem to allow pretty big stakes.

WR is 60xD+B, so a rather intimidating £79,920

In simple terms, the finishing criteria are:

1) Need to finish wagering with a balance of greater than £1222 (the amount of the bonus)
2) Anything over £1833 is lost at the end of wagering, as max withdrawal is 0.5x bonus (1222 + 611 = 1833)

Therefore my finishing 'band' if you will, after £79,920 of wagering is between £1222 and £1833. A balance of £1332 gets me my money back

Should I finish wagering with a balance of less than £1222, I need to carry on to try and get the balance up over £1222.

Up to now I've been playing Scary Rich 1 and Scary Rich 2, The Back Nine (just 'cause I really love that slot, even in its gimped 95% RTP incarnation), Spy Game and Gold Rush.

Currently at £17,500 wagered and balance is at £2175, but an awfully long way to go. No comp points so tracking wagering on some slots can be tricky as the autoplay counter disappears on some of them when a bonus round is triggered.

Haven't had a mega hit on anything yet, although Scary Rich 1 and 2 have kicked out a few decent hits.

Scary Rich 2 is currently barrelling away at £1 per spin.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Typical arse-about-face symbols for a Rival slot.

The symbols you'd expect to be high paying, the 'characters' if you will are the lowest paying, a nondescript hooded head is the jackpot, and the top two paying symbols besides that are a little creepy marionette thing and a bloody plague-ridden rat.

Plus the scatters are very bland too.

It's not a massive problem but as ever, takes a while to get your eye in and 'read' the slot easily.

(The big win here is the expanding wild on reel 1 with the four rats (the pink winline), there are also a couple of 4OAKs with the wild and rat, and it doesn't help that the expanding wild borrows a low paying symbol for its overlay. Crazy design!)

 

[Seventh777]

If I had that much w/r at a Rival casino I would try lowish stake on Diggin` Deep, you hit the main feature during freespins it's oh-la-la time, hit 4-5 gold bars is awesome also, one aspect of Rival slots that has always impressed me is the overall returns on features .

 

[Jasminebed]

Wish you luck in your challenge Chopley.

I can't play Rival, but I used to really enjoy some of their slots.

This thread and some of the discussions in it helped me playing a big reversal bonus a few months ago.

 

[dinahbrand]

I would consider it if I had some extra money to just take a chance for fun. I can recall spending money on worse things that I regretted. Why did I buy that black top with gold glitter?

 

[hinchy]

You could only ever really play the rival slots though with a big bonus match, they can be brutal with paying nothing for hundreds of spins.

 

[hinchy]

Well, I'm halfway through a rival casino bonus where I have to have double the bonus to end before I can withdraw.
Had a few decent wins and got the balance up to £850 from starting £505 bonus plus deposit.

Just playing out the wagering requirements now on cosmic quest mystery planets which is 98 rtp however I need to get to £1000 at the end to be able to withdraw.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well, I'm halfway through a rival casino bonus where I have to have double the bonus to end before I can withdraw.
Had a few decent wins and got the balance up to £850 from starting £505 bonus plus deposit.

Just playing out the wagering requirements now on cosmic quest mystery planets which is 98 rtp however I need to get to £1000 at the end to be able to withdraw.

Where's that at hinchy?

I'm over £20K through at Tropica now, still £60K to go though, balance holding up at just under £2K.

Was holding at £2300-£2400 for a while but Scary Rich 2 just went mental and sucked down nearly £700 at £1 per spin without hitting 100x or better once.

Jacques Pot Gourmet Slot has given me a reasonable rally at £2 per spin. The burger round bonus when you can trigger it, is generally a safe 100x stake or better.

£2 per spin here.

 

[hinchy]

Where's that at hinchy?

I'm over £20K through at Tropica now, still £60K to go though, balance holding up at just under £2K.

Was holding at £2300-£2400 for a while but Scary Rich 2 just went mental and sucked down nearly £700 at £1 per spin without hitting 100x or better once.

Jacques Pot Gourmet Slot has given me a reasonable rally at £2 per spin. The burger round bonus when you can trigger it, is generally a safe 100x stake or better.

£2 per spin here.

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Its at go fish casino, funnily enough I've just be on Jacques pot Gourmet myself, took a bit of a hit though, recovered it on Baby Boomers cash cruise, I do like that slot. 177% match 14x D+B playthrough. There is also a Free £377 chip which you have 60 mins to play, then any winnings above the £377 are taken through to the second stage, pretty good fun for little outlay, suffice to say I didnt meet the WR on the second stage,

 

[Nifty29]

Chops....I can think of much better ways to spend $110 and countless hours.

It's really not a good bonus. If the max cashout was even 1xbonus I might consider it briefly, but if I'm going to spend that much time I want the possibility of a large reward.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Its at go fish casino, funnily enough I've just be on Jacques pot Gourmet myself, took a bit of a hit though, recovered it on Baby Boomers cash cruise, I do like that slot. 177% match 14x D+B playthrough. There is also a Free £377 chip which you have 60 mins to play, then any winnings above the £377 are taken through to the second stage, pretty good fun for little outlay, suffice to say I didnt meet the WR on the second stage,

Hmmmm may check the place out myself, the Rival client is so small on my screen that I could easily have two of them on the go at the right hand side of my screen.

Incidentally, if you want a good wagering slot with a high RTP, just whack Gold Rush on, that's a low variance single line slot with an 'about 98' payout. (The jackpot is 135x stake IIRC, which is very small for any slot, let alone a single-liner. You will actually see it come in if you put any substantial number of spins through it.)

It wagered about £8K for me last night over on the media centre PC whilst I was playing Borderlands 2, and my balance went up £200

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Chops....I can think of much better ways to spend $110 and countless hours.

It's really not a good bonus. If the max cashout was even 1xbonus I might consider it briefly, but if I'm going to spend that much time I want the possibility of a large reward.

My way of looking at is the bonus 'buys' me a couple of evening's slotting at least, probably more like three or four evenings.

It's almost like playing with free money, except with the possibility of cashing out at the end it. Plus I take them on more as a sort of challenge than any kind of hard-headed attempt to make money.

It's not like I have to sit there and interact with the slots for hours on end either, with the new 'Share The Excitement' feature I can just kick them off and go and do something else, safe in the knowledge that it'll stop if a 100x stake win or better comes in.

Last night I was playing Borderlands 2 whilst Gold Rush just played itself over on the media centre PC

 

[Nifty29]

My way of looking at is the bonus 'buys' me a couple of evening's slotting at least, probably more like three or four evenings.

It's almost like playing with free money, except with the possibility of cashing out at the end it. Plus I take them on momre as a sort of challenge than any kind of hard-headed attempt to make money.

It's not like I have to sit there and interact with the slots for hours on end either, with the new 'Share The Excitement' feature I can just kick them off and go and do something else, safe in the knowledge that it'll stop if a 100x stake win or better comes in.

Last night I was playing Borderlands 2 whilst Gold Rush just played itself over on the media centre PC

So what's borderlands like?

I'm a diehard command and conquer/settlers/age of empires fan. Would it appeal to me do you think?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So what's borderlands like?

I'm a diehard command and conquer/settlers/age of empires fan. Would it appeal to me do you think?

Depends if you like FPS + RPG mashups with a focus on slaughtering enemies, killing bosses, gathering loot and completing quests!

Review here might give you an idea if it's your cup of tea or not -

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Would you be playing on the PC? You need a half-decent system to kick it around nicely, and the PhysX effects are awesome, but need some horsepower behind them.

 

[hinchy]

Hmmmm may check the place out myself, the Rival client is so small on my screen that I could easily have two of them on the go at the right hand side of my screen.

Incidentally, if you want a good wagering slot with a high RTP, just whack Gold Rush on, that's a low variance single line slot with an 'about 98' payout. (The jackpot is 135x stake IIRC, which is very small for any slot, let alone a single-liner. You will actually see it come in if you put any substantial number of spins through it.)

It wagered about £8K for me last night over on the media centre PC whilst I was playing Borderlands 2, and my balance went up £200

Thanks for the Gold Rush Tip, thats dropped in a few nice wins nudging my balance up by a nice £200!

 

[tanga]

I would give 'A switch int time' a go. Had five scatters once, 78 free spins @ x9 with x27 if a wild appears on reel 1. It's a high variance slot with some massive wins on it, good @1.20 a spin

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The Back Nine? The Rubbish Crapturd, more like.

Well I am getting absolutely bastard walloped by The Back Nine.

I knew full well they'd messed with this slot as the help file changed from 'about 99' to 'about 95' months ago, and the play I've had on it since then has confirmed it's a far poorer slot than it once was.

However, this evening I decided to get stuck into it properly, with a balance of £2000, playing at £3 per spin.

I don't know why particularly, I just have a stupid gooey soft spot for the true skill bonus round, call it nostalgia for when I beat the 1777% bonus with Spy Game and The Back Nine

GOOD GOD THIS SLOT IS AWFUL NOW.

It's already scythed through £1000 of my bankroll and it's all one-way traffic downhill.

The bonus round doesn't come in anything like as readily as it used to, it's routinely going 200-400 spins without triggering it, which was absolutely unheard of in its old incarnation. (As I type this it's gone over 500 spins without a bonus round, and I've had several 300+ dead patches this evening as well. Just didn't happen when it was 'about 99'.)

Add onto that they've messed with the expanding wilds, it's incredibly mean with getting 2-3-4 expanded wild, which it used to do quite happily, and it hates threading 5OAK through as well.

As a low variance slot (320x stake is about the best win it's capable of with the best symbols on 1-5 and full expanded wilds on 2-3-4), this slot absolutely relied on its high RTP, decent routine reel wins, and regular bonus rounds (a hole in two only pays 30x stake on a basic three scatters trigger, which accounts for around 95% of the bonus round triggers and is generally how many shots it will take you to get the ball down). Now it's completely ruined

Ducking under £900 now, pushing up towards 600 spins for a bonus round that's most likely only going to pay 30x stake when I get there.

May as well just bust out on this slot now, but I fear it's going to leave a sour taste in the mouth.

WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST LEFT THE BLOODY THING ALONE RIVAL?

Latest - over 600 spins, no bonus round, balance under £800. Oh The Back Nine, what have they done to you?

EDIT - Over 700 spins, no bonus round, balance under £700. I'm aghast.

EDIT AGAIN - Came in at 720 spins. Three scatters trigger, hole in two, 30x stake.

 

[Dipity]

Not to derail, but have you tried Dota2 Chops? I've got a spare invite if you're so inclined.

Since getting into the beta last November, I've spent countless (over 1500) hours on it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Played out the full nine holes on The Back Nine and binned it off, never playing that bloody thing again.

Over to Scary Rich 2 and it's chucked a couple of decent wins in to keep me in the game.

Still only around £28,500 wagered though.

484x stake at £1 per spin.



This round finished at 616x stake, dropped in just a few minutes after the previous round.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Not to derail, but have you tried Dota2 Chops? I've got a spare invite if you're so inclined.

Since getting into the beta last November, I've spent countless (over 1500) hours on it.

Not even heard of it TBH, apart from WoW, I've never really got involved with any sort of MMO capers.

Haven't really got the time any more either, which is why I've gravitated back towards single player campaign games like Borderlands 2.

 

[Mouche12]

I don't know how Tropica does, but also remember that the games we play the most, like the I-slots and the high variance-games as Scary Rich 1 and 2, are often on max bets of $1 or $2.
To have a big bankroll and not being able to make high bets will be boring, and reduce your chances of high winnings.

I would never ever take that kind of bonus.
If I like to try as many games as possible, I would take a resonable bonus, with no max cashout, and then play them on low bets instead.
You could still win a lot, and then maybe later raze your betsize.

Good luck whatever you do

I don't see any max bet requirements in the bonus terms, but 0.5 times the bonus as the max amount permitted to cashout in the (unlikely) event that you meet the WR is a no go for me. If it were 5x the bonus, I would consider it...

 

[tanga]

If you want to meet the WR I would give 'As the reels turn 2' a go, bit of a dull slot but has 3 bonus rounds and can pay big during free spins.

 

[KasinoKing]

WHY COULDN'T YOU HAVE JUST LEFT THE BLOODY THING ALONE RIVAL?

Well if you hadn't kept posting all over the forum about how great that 99% slot was for beating WR - maybe they wouldn't have noticed and would have left it alone!
(Someone had to say it )

FWIW I think it's unlikely they have actually changed the slot (just updated the "rules" page which we know are notorious for being inaccurate), it's more likely just the variance kicking in and giving you a really bad run
Who knows? (Only Rival - and they're not about to make a public statement about anything!)

KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well if you hadn't kept posting all over the forum about how great that 99% slot was for beating WR - maybe they wouldn't have noticed and would have left it alone!
(Someone had to say it )

Yes that was a bit stupid, with the benefit of hindsight I should have kept my cakehole shut.

TBH it just didn't occur to me that in this day and age any casino would have a 99% RTP slot with a true skill bonus round contributing 100% to a WR, and given the shonkiness of Rival's rules and help files in general, I just assumed it was an error, which is why I kept pushing the point.

D'oh!

FWIW I think it's unlikely they have actually changed the slot (just updated the "rules" page which we know are notorious for being inaccurate), it's more likely just the variance kicking in and giving you a really bad run
Who knows? (Only Rival - and they're not about to make a public statement about anything!)

It's definitely changed KK, I was already pretty certain of it before last night, and after the extended session I had on it yesterday, no doubt about it.

Remember I did wager the best part of £120,000 on it at £6 per spin to beat the 1777% bonus, so I'm pretty familiar with it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't see any max bet requirements in the bonus terms, but 0.5 times the bonus as the max amount permitted to cashout in the (unlikely) event that you meet the WR is a no go for me. If it were 5x the bonus, I would consider it...

Scary Rich 1/2 are restricted to £2 per spin, but all the other high variance slots seem to be the usual limits, or as close as to not make any difference.

There are other highish variance slots on Rival's books so it's not like it's Scary Rich 1/2 or nothing to try and get a high variance raise!

Anyway, as I said, it's a playtime thing as much as anything, I'm now into day three on what is effectively a £110 deposit

I was quite sure my lucky run was coming to an end at Jackpot Party so I could have easily lost a lot more than that there since Friday night!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Scary Rich has another go with 431x stake.

If I'd have had the wild on 3 as well as 1-2, this would have been a monster, as I had JP symbols on 4 and 5.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's all over!

Bust out at just over £39,000 wagered.

Would have done a lot better I think if not for the abomination that The Back Nine has become, but either way it was always a very big ask.

Scary Rich demolished the £1500 balance you see in the last screenshot at £1 per spin and only hit the 100x stop trigger a couple of times - scary indeed!

 

[LaHutti]

Well there you go ...she IS a Scary Bitch

Damn I miss beating my old Rival casinos up. !

Bust out at just over £39,000 wagered.

Would have done a lot better I think if not for the abomination that The Back Nine has become, but either way it was always a very big ask.

Scary Rich demolished the £1500 balance you see in the last screenshot at £1 per spin and only hit the 100x stop trigger a couple of times - scary indeed!

 

[hinchy]

Well there you go ...she IS a Scary Bitch

Damn I miss beating my old Rival casinos up. !

Well, Ive just finished my bonus promotion at a Rival casino, £200 deposit, matched 177% giving a bankroll of around £500.
Playthrough was a fairly well beatable 14.44 however I needed to have double the bonus plus deposit amount to withdraw, managed to finish at £1064 so nice profit.

It was the instruction from chops to move to Gold rush which was the decisive move here, I was hovering around 600-700 for ages then moved to gold rush and had a few good wins to bring me above the needed amount, which then proceeded to just tick away to meet the WR.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It was the instruction from chops to move to Gold rush which was the decisive move here, I was hovering around 600-700 for ages then moved to gold rush and had a few good wins to bring me above the needed amount, which then proceeded to just tick away to meet the WR.

My commission is a modest 10%.