Taking on a crazy bonus just for the playtime....

KasinoKing

WebMeister & Slotaholic..
webmeister
PABnonaccred
CAG
MM
Joined
Aug 25, 2004
Location
Bexhill on sea, England
I was absolutely kicking myself, with £107,000 wagered and a bankroll of £2400, wagering the last £15,000 would have been a piece of cake if I'd just stuck to slots I knew at low to medium variance.
Been there - got the T-shirt! :(
(Though with much smaller WR targets than yours on this occasion!)

KK
 

Refilliates Casinos

Dormant account
Joined
Oct 29, 2009
Location
Rival Powered
The results are in!



Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video :thumbsup: We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected :D (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Update on changes requested to Autoplay: Kindly note that Rival have advised that the lead developers are currently working on the new lobby project before tackling the issues raised by the members here. We will keep chasing them until we have delivered on your requests.

Also note that should we see any complaints or feedback about any Rival casino posted here, we share it with Rival's Account Manager who then takes any necessary action.

Regards,
Tropica
 
Last edited by a moderator:

flatman

Banned User - Flaming. Troll posts. PITA.
Joined
Aug 4, 2012
Location
dublin
Tropica

these playthroughs might seem impossible.ive won on on them and not just once.

ive done it on a 95 times play,the total play was 100 00, it payed

Dont play the max cash outs,play the no max cash out,

there is a way if you read the percentage payout off this group,its across the boared on all sites.

eg:oops:ne site on the day you play might be set for min pay percentage,and another site will be pating the higher.

Im not complimenting them in anyway ive been jerked around on payout at a good few rival.its up to you too fight youre case.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video :thumbsup: We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected :D (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Hi Tropica,

Feel free to share the video with whoever you wish, it's public domain :)

Sorry to hear that the autoplay changes aren't imminent though :(
 

aceking123

Paleo Meister (means really, really old)
Joined
Mar 4, 2008
Location
uk
hi so am i right in thinking that tropica are good to go , as i do have a account with them but not parted with any monies there , due to my last problems with orange gamez , although i did get finaly paid i had to jump through far to many hoops to get it , so its been a very very long time since ive made any deposits in any rival casinos , i only have 2 rival casinos on the pc , sloto & tropica ???
 

KasinoKing

WebMeister & Slotaholic..
webmeister
PABnonaccred
CAG
MM
Joined
Aug 25, 2004
Location
Bexhill on sea, England
Look what I just hit at Tropica on one of your favourite slots, Chopley!
Bet x243 :thumbsup:
(And when I only had about $8 left on my balance!)
 

Attachments

  • Back9x243.jpg
    Back9x243.jpg
    144.7 KB · Views: 103

flatman

Banned User - Flaming. Troll posts. PITA.
Joined
Aug 4, 2012
Location
dublin
rival

yea u can get those wins on rival.depends how u turn the coin

its really up to u ,and wot you willing to wager,and how much you wanto risk.

you could also spend 500 credits on one machine get 0.spend 1 credit on another,get simaler.

i played 2 credits on one site and got 2400,also depends wot side off the flip coin you play

both those screen shots have differnt play functions

1 wil allow a big bet

the other limits youre bet

its up yo you iff you want to play or not,

nobody can tell you and i cant tout for the casino cause .you might win ,rival is easy to win

payment,iff you are new it will be quick ,the further you go down the line,well ill leave it there
 

Nifty29

Dormant account
Joined
Jun 20, 2001
Location
Turn right, then right. then right again
Hi Chopley,

Thank you for very much for the video :thumbsup: We all agree that it is informative, entertaining and colourful to say the least. We loved the expletives when things took a turn for the unexpected :D (Please let me know if we may share the link with our affiliates and on forums).

Update on changes requested to Autoplay: Kindly note that Rival have advised that the lead developers are currently working on the new lobby project before tackling the issues raised by the members here. We will keep chasing them until we have delivered on your requests.

Also note that should we see any complaints or feedback about any Rival casino posted here, we share it with Rival's Account Manager who then takes any necessary action.

Regards,
Tropica

In other words, Rival will do what they always do - bugger all.

It's nice that you tried, but we've heard all this before. Rival always say they have other projects....well to operators at least, as they don't communicate with players.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
It's nice that you tried, but we've heard all this before. Rival always say they have other projects....well to operators at least, as they don't communicate with players.

I wish Rival communicated more with their players like Microgaming do, in fact, I was reading Microgaming's 'work in progress' page on their website just the other day in fact.

Oh, hang on..... ;)

Lest we forget stuff like this - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/thinking-somethings-changed-at-microgaming.26802/

I'm not saying Rival are perfect, but at the same time, let's not suggest they're doing things any differently to any other software provider.
 

flatman

Banned User - Flaming. Troll posts. PITA.
Joined
Aug 4, 2012
Location
dublin
rival

yes hit the nail on the head pay small,nothing big.

customer support piss poor if you win

customer service great for cashout 250 and less

win at one ,they flag you

cash out at one low they pay

cash out again with a bigger withdrawl they want notirized docs wich you have to pay for


stalling tactics are unbearable

latest been DENDRA who is meant to be under new managment to accomadate USA players,its the same ,just another way to get more players
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Chopley returns seeking REVENGE!

Obviously there was no way on earth I wasn't going to have another go at this.....

Same casino, same bonus, same wagering requirement.

Will I make it this time?

 
Last edited by a moderator:

Jufo

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 21, 2007
Location
Finland
Obviously there was no way on earth I wasn't going to have another go at this.....

Same casino, same bonus, same wagering requirement.

Will I make it this time?



You almost made it last time but you should have grinded out the £15k remaining WR with minimum risk as at that point even a 90% RTP during the last part of wagering would have given you the maximum cashout. So my suggestion is that you try to have a bit more of a strategy this time and not just "gambling fun".
 
Last edited by a moderator:

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
You almost made it last time but you should have grinded out the £15k remaining WR with minimum risk as at that point even a 90% RTP during the last part of wagering would have given you the maximum cashout. So my suggestion is that you try to have a bit more of a strategy this time and not just "gambling fun".

That was with a strategy :) After I bust out the first time I was determined to play the bonus better second time, remember the first time I took the bonus I really was only after the 'gambling fun', the idea that it could be beaten with a strategy only really occurred to me afterwards.

So the plan second time around was to increase my bankroll early on with a high variance slot, and then grind out the WR on the highest RTP slot that Rival have on their books, The Back Nine. (Which has a 99% RTP with perfect strategy on the bonus round.)

The video I just linked to is my SECOND attempt at the bonus, the previous video was my first attempt where I bust out.

When you have a 99% RTP slot contributing 100% to the wagering requirement, the 1777% bonus doesn't only start to look beatable, it actually becomes PROBABLE that the player will beat it.
 

Jufo

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 21, 2007
Location
Finland
That was with a strategy :) After I bust out the first time I was determined to play the bonus better second time, remember the first time I took the bonus I really was only after the 'gambling fun', the idea that it could be beaten with a strategy only really occurred to me afterwards.

So the plan second time around was to increase my bankroll early on with a high variance slot, and then grind out the WR on the highest RTP slot that Rival have on their books, The Back Nine. (Which has a 99% RTP with perfect strategy on the bonus round.)

The video I just linked to is my SECOND attempt at the bonus, the previous video was my first attempt where I bust out.

When you have a 99% RTP slot contributing 100% to the wagering requirement, the 1777% bonus doesn't only start to look beatable, it actually becomes PROBABLE that the player will beat it.

Oh I see now. I didn't watch the video yet so I thought that it just shows you getting started with the second bonus, but I saw now that it also shows the end result. Well done!

Interestingly, I posted earlier that based on my computer simulations, in those times when you DO meet the WR, your average end balance is ~5000 which seems to be exactly what you ended up with.

I also thought that you can cashout your deposit in addition to the maximum £888. I am glad you noticed that and didn't play everything above £888 away before withdrawing :D
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Oh I see now. I didn't watch the video yet so I thought that it you had just started with the second bonus but I saw now that the video also shows the end result. Well done!

Interestingly I posted in post #41 that based on my computer simulations, in those times when you DO meet the WR, your expected end balance is ~5000 which seems to be exactly what you ended up with.

If there really is a 99% slot then obviously it changes things completely and increases the value of this bonus. Are you sure that The Back Nine truly pays out though and does the bonus game require a lot of skill?

I also figured that you can cashout your deposit in addition to the £888. I am glad you noticed that on time and didn't play everything above £888 away :D

Hi Jufo,

Well Tropica have changed the T&Cs of the bonus now so that should tell you all need to know about The Back Nine's RTP :) It now only contributes to the WR at 10%, instead of 100% when I beat the bonus.

I stumbled upon the bonus by accident as I was genuinely just after the playtime, but when I nearly beat it on the first attempt it became pretty clear to me that it was easily beatable with optimal strategy, so I decided to have a proper go at it.

Here are the chances of meeting a £122,000 WR from a £1877 bankroll. (Easiest way to work this out is to simply divide the bankroll by the house edge expressed as a decimal, i.e. a 95% RTP slot has a house edge of 5% so just divide the bankroll by 0.05, which therefore assumes that each spin 'costs' 5p.)

95% RTP - 1877 / 0.05 = £37,540 wagered before bust-out

96% RTP - 1877 / 0.04 = £46,925

97% RTP - 1877 / 0.03 = £62,566

98% RTP - 1877 / 0.02 = £93,850

99% RTP - 1877 / 0.01 = £187,700 - OOPS!

So what I did for the second attempt was:

1) First increase my bankroll on a high variance slot, this was the biggest gamble of the whole endeavour but I'd rather have taken the gamble early on, so that if I bust out I could just try again quickly.
2) Move to the highest RTP slot on Rival's books, The Back Nine, which has a 98-99% RTP depending on your performance in the bonus round (it's true skill).
3) See out the WR exclusively playing The Back Nine, which should comfortably be achieved at 98% RTP or higher.
4) Cash out.

The bonus round on The Back Nine isn't that tricky, I don't think a massive amount of the RTP is tied up in it anyway (I'd estimate around 35%), and even if you completely mess it up you still get paid over 50% of the round's value as compared to getting a hole in one. A hole in two is consistently achievable and that pays 75% of the value of a hole in one. By the end of the session I was routinely completing all nine holes with all hole in ones or hole in twos - on that basis I'd say I was comfortably achieving an RTP of over 98%, which MASSIVELY changes the viability of the bonus as compared to a slot at 95-96%.

(It amazes me how people just can't seem to grasp how small changes in RTP of just 1% and 2% can make HUGE changes to a player's expected overall results over time.)

But yes, Tropica have changed the terms and conditions of this bonus quite dramatically now :D

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
 

Jufo

Dormant Account
Joined
Sep 21, 2007
Location
Finland
Well Tropica have changed the T&Cs of the bonus now so that should tell you all need to know about The Back Nine's RTP :) It now only contributes to the WR at 10%, instead of 100% when I beat the bonus.

Dammit. Now others cannot repeat your success with this bonus :(


Here are the chances of meeting a £122,000 WR from a £1877 bankroll. (Easiest way to work this out is to simply divide the bankroll by the house edge expressed as a decimal, i.e. a 95% RTP slot has a house edge of 5% so just divide the bankroll by 0.05, which therefore assumes that each spin 'costs' 5p.)

95% RTP - 1877 / 0.05 = £37,540 wagered before bust-out

96% RTP - 1877 / 0.04 = £46,925

97% RTP - 1877 / 0.03 = £62,566

98% RTP - 1877 / 0.02 = £93,850

99% RTP - 1877 / 0.01 = £187,700 - OOPS!

The above values are only average values. YOU CAN play a 95% slot and meet the playthrough of £120,000. This is counterbalanced by the times when you bust out much more quickly than after £37,540. It actually takes a computer simulation to work out the odds, which I did earlier in this thread.

So what I did for the second attempt was:

1) First increase my bankroll on a high variance slot, this was the biggest gamble of the whole endeavour but I'd rather have taken the gamble early on, so that if I bust out I could just try again quickly.
2) Move to the highest RTP slot on Rival's books, The Back Nine, which has a 98-99% RTP depending on your performance in the bonus round (it's true skill).
3) See out the WR exclusively playing The Back Nine, which should comfortably be achieved at 98% RTP or higher.
4) Cash out.

Yes, well this is how an advantage player or AP plays slot bonuses so welcome to their club! It looks like you are quickly developing from a recreational gambler into an AP :D

(It amazes me how people just can't seem to grasp how small changes in RTP of just 1% and 2% can make HUGE changes to a player's expected overall results over time.)

Yeah, this is very true. The effect is dramatic. And yet casinos/affiliates sometimes have the habit of saying to players: Why are you being such a nitpick when it comes to RTP? Why are you trying to extract that last fraction of a percent instead of just having fun? They sometimes make you feel guilty about being a nitpick about RTP. And at the same time the casinos themselves look for every opportunity to increase the HE, even if only slightly, because they know how big difference it makes to their own bottom line.
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Dammit. Now others cannot repeat your success with this bonus :(

I don't think that's a bad thing TBH Jufo, on the old T&Cs the bonus is not only beatable, but it's easily and consistently beatable. (I'd estimate the chances of beating it to be over 50%, and because the maximum player exposure is only £100, and because the bonus can be taken again immediately after a failed attempt, it's basically a dead cert lose for the casino. I'm just amazed that Tropica hadn't already been obliterated by it :eek: )

It's the kind of bonus that if 250 players all hit it together, they could easily leave the casino £250K out of pocket, and that's probably getting into the realms of 'out of business'.

The above values are only average values. YOU CAN play a 95% slot and meet the playthrough of £120,000. This is counterbalanced by the times when you bust out much more quickly than after £37,540. It actually takes a computer simulation to work out the odds, which I did earlier in this thread.

Indeed, but my strategy - (early raise on a high variance slot then see out WR at 98%+ on The Back Nine which is a low-med variance slot so achieves its expected RTP fairly reliably and quickly) - makes it getting on for a dead cert, certainly I can't imagine it not being beaten before the player gets paid more than he's had to invest.

Yes, well this is how an advantage player or AP plays slot bonuses so welcome to their club! It looks like you are quickly developing from a recreational gambler into an AP :D

Nah it won't change me, I was playing at Jackpot Party last night and their slots have just a 92% RTP on the base games :D
 

Nifty29

Dormant account
Joined
Jun 20, 2001
Location
Turn right, then right. then right again
I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.
 

mattsgame

Meister Member
webmeister
CAG
Joined
Sep 17, 2009
Location
Out Of Town
I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.

This bonus is easy to beat if you are as mathematically minded and self controlled like Chopley, bonus hunters would love it. The thing is, he won't be doing it to often because they will take away his bonuses, or that one in particular at least as soon as its beat that will be it.

Bonuses like these really are not designed for player retention in my eyes, they are used to get payers that are not as sound minded as Chopley etc suckered in. The casino is not stupid, hence the change to Back Nine already.

Congrats on beating it and the winnings Chopley :thumbsup:
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
I doubt you will be getting bonuses there for too much longer chops.

So how long did it take you to complete the WR each time?

The first time was over a week, but remember the first time I took the bonus I genuinely was just after the playtime and had no real interest in, or expectation of, beating it.

The second time I was simply focused on achieving the result, I started at around 22:30 a Friday evening, and was done by about 23:00 on Sunday, so about 72 hours - but of course I wasn't at my PC for 72 hours :D I'd estimate that actual slotting was around 12-13 hours in a 72 hour period.

I wonder why the casino keeps offering it if its so easy to beat? Doesn't make sense. Even reducing the back nine to 10% won't stop the winners as there are other slots with high RTP.

They've removed all their highest paying slots from the promotion now, plus they've made the bonus sticky and introduced an extra cashout clause. It's a much tougher bonus to beat now. Not impossible, but I certainly won't be taking it on again!
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Having a crack at the 1111% bonus

Didn't seem worth starting a new thread for this but I'm currently underway on Tropica's 1111% bonus.

(My babble about it starts from this page - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/jackpot-party.54308/ )

The terms for this bonus are far harsher than the 1777% bonus back when I beat it.

Main differences are:

1) Bonus is sticky.
2) You need more than the bonus amount to be able to withdraw anything.
3) Withdrawal is capped at 0.5x the bonus.

On the plus side, it's a £1332 bankroll to play with from a deposit of just £110, and all slots contribute 100% (which is an improvement on the 1777% bonus). Scary Rich 1/2 are capped at £2 per spin, all other slots seem to allow pretty big stakes.

WR is 60xD+B, so a rather intimidating £79,920 :eek2:

In simple terms, the finishing criteria are:

1) Need to finish wagering with a balance of greater than £1222 (the amount of the bonus)
2) Anything over £1833 is lost at the end of wagering, as max withdrawal is 0.5x bonus (1222 + 611 = 1833)

Therefore my finishing 'band' if you will, after £79,920 of wagering is between £1222 and £1833. A balance of £1332 gets me my money back :D

Should I finish wagering with a balance of less than £1222, I need to carry on to try and get the balance up over £1222.

Up to now I've been playing Scary Rich 1 and Scary Rich 2, The Back Nine (just 'cause I really love that slot, even in its gimped 95% RTP incarnation), Spy Game and Gold Rush.

Currently at £17,500 wagered and balance is at £2175, but an awfully long way to go. No comp points so tracking wagering on some slots can be tricky as the autoplay counter disappears on some of them when a bonus round is triggered.

Haven't had a mega hit on anything yet, although Scary Rich 1 and 2 have kicked out a few decent hits.

Scary Rich 2 is currently barrelling away at £1 per spin.

sr2.JPG
 

ChopleyIOM

Hearthstone Addict
webby
Joined
Mar 25, 2012
Location
IOM
Typical arse-about-face symbols for a Rival slot.

The symbols you'd expect to be high paying, the 'characters' if you will are the lowest paying, a nondescript hooded head is the jackpot, and the top two paying symbols besides that are a little creepy marionette thing and a bloody plague-ridden rat.

Plus the scatters are very bland too.

It's not a massive problem but as ever, takes a while to get your eye in and 'read' the slot easily.

(The big win here is the expanding wild on reel 1 with the four rats (the pink winline), there are also a couple of 4OAKs with the wild and rat, and it doesn't help that the expanding wild borrows a low paying symbol for its overlay. Crazy design!)

rat.jpg
 

Seventh777

RIP Roy
Joined
Sep 28, 2010
Location
Planet Tharg, dark side, where nothing grows.
If I had that much w/r at a Rival casino I would try lowish stake on Diggin` Deep, you hit the main feature during freespins it's oh-la-la time, hit 4-5 gold bars is awesome also, one aspect of Rival slots that has always impressed me is the overall returns on features ;).
 

Jasminebed

Game old gal
Joined
Mar 13, 2008
Location
Ontario
Wish you luck in your challenge Chopley.

I can't play Rival, but I used to really enjoy some of their slots.

This thread and some of the discussions in it helped me playing a big reversal bonus a few months ago.
 

dinahbrand

Dormant account
Joined
Aug 25, 2005
Location
USA
I would consider it if I had some extra money to just take a chance for fun. I can recall spending money on worse things that I regretted. Why did I buy that black top with gold glitter? :oops:
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top