Taking on a crazy bonus just for the playtime....

[Refilliates Casinos]

Tropica, I applaud you for trying to meet player's needs.

As a Canadian, I have not been a Rival player in a long time.

But I definitely enjoy bonus play. Most of my deposits are with bonuses. I don't actually expect a casino to give me a better chance of winning with a bonus, but I expect about the same chance as a bonus free deposit, with the imposed restriction of of wagering. But a wagering requirement gives me longer playtime, something I want in a session.

You have players that enjoy this promo. And rightly so it has come under attack here.
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But is is the level of that max cashout that leaves us saying NAY.

If there were players able to take advantage of the offer in the orignal post, they must be way smarter than me. Or at least your promo team.

And to say you withdrew it because CM membership said bad deal, and then take that back, and you withdrew the offer because you were losing money on it just doesn't sit right with me.

Tropica, you have seemed really responsive to member's input, and kudos for you for that.

There are many seasoned members here I'm sure would be happy to help you design offers that only left players only marginally disadvanced.

And if a loyal player really wanted a bad deal, I'm sure you could accomodate that too.

After all, the customer is right.

Hiya,

Thank you for the feedback.

Just to clarify - We did not pull the promotion because of CM membership's opinion.

We'll say it again: Don't play any promotion that does not appeal to you. If you feel 1777% with a Max Cashout Restriction is a bad deal, then simply leave it alone. There are thousands of offers out there and you should only play the ones where you feel you are getting the best value for your money

Regards,
Tropica Casino

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have to say I'd tend to side with Tropica on this one, the T&Cs of the bonus are absolutely crystal clear in the casino client before you take it up, and I still think it's a good bonus for someone who doesn't have a lot of real cash to gamble with but wants the enjoyment of playing with a big bankroll.

I wouldn't rule out taking it myself at some point, like all folks some months are more expensive than others for me, with household bills and suchlike, the car needs servicing or whatever (I had to get a new set of tyres for my car a few months ago which cost £750, needless to say that was a pretty frugal month slotting wise!), so some months I'm happy to gamble more, some months less.

A £100 deposit played bonus-free can be lost in less than an hour with bad luck, even when low-rolling. A £100 deposit turned into a bankroll of £1877 guarantees many, many hours of slotting and there's still the possibility to make a reasonable withdrawal if the WR is met at the end. (At my play rate it'd easily last me a week or more.)

No one can accuse Tropica here of any sort of entrapment, the terms of the bonus are laid out in absolutely plain English, in a concise and easily available format, on the same screen in the casino client where you have to explicitly accept the offer.

I honestly don't see the problem with it. It's a niche bonus aimed at particular customers with particular requirements - and as I say, I wouldn't rule out taking it myself one day if I just want a cheap week's slotting

 

[all4greed]

...I wouldn't take this bonus, but that said, if you do play the Rivals, and you have a decent bankroll, I would certainly go with Scary Rich 1 and 2, as well as Spy Game and the Alien game (I forget what it's called, the bonus round is a spaceship shooting asteroids, free spins have expanding rocket wilds), but only part 1, not part 2.

All of the games mentioned above have a great shot at paying a huge amount in the bonus rounds.

At Vegas Regal, quite a while back, I survived a couple of those huge bonuses with 65-75 turnover.

Spy game is the way to go. One time I worked a starting balance of $1,100 to $24,000 or so. Yep, it kind of sucked that it had a max cashout but their T&C's were crystal clear so there was nothing to bitch about.

 

[Nifty29]

FWIW

I don't think anyone was saying it was predatory or a trap for unwary players. IMO there is no such thing as a "trap" when the terms are clearly stated as they are at rival casinos (credit where it is due).

My POV is that the bonus itself is awful and one would have to be almost solely interested in a long play session rather than actually winning. Methods such as chopleys I.e. small bets are the worst way to approach these bonuses if you want any chance to win.

Tropica aren't doing anything wrong.....there is a demand and they are providing....but nobody should think that it is pro-player.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I've had enough of chucking good money after bad at my usual haunts, only glimmers of light recently have been a nice raise at Glamour Casino ($290 withdrawal from a $20 deposit with a $50 bonus) and a nice raise at All Slots a couple of weeks ago - but besides that it's all been depressingly one way traffic recently.

(Dunno what it is about NetEnt slots but I can't hit a damn thing on them.)

As such I've gone for the 1777% bonus offer at Tropica, I don't really care if I lose the £100 that this £1877 bankroll has cost me, because this will last me for a week or more - so it'll probably save me a few hundred quid given my current run of luck

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So Rival can do this, but MG and the likes can't?

(I realise KK has already pointed this out in the dedicated Rival thread, but I felt it was worth drawing attention to again.)

As far as I can tell when you're on a promotion at a Rival casino, your game choice and bet size are automatically limited by the software itself, i.e. the T&Cs of the bonus are applied without the player having to read a horrible wall of text to check he's not breaking the rules.

(I wasn't actually trying to play a progressive here, as I knew it wasn't allowed on the bonus I was on, but I was curious to see how the software handled it.)

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[The Viking]

So Rival can do this, but MG and the likes can't?

(I realise KK has already pointed this out in the dedicated Rival thread, but I felt it was worth drawing attention to again.)

As far as I can tell when you're on a promotion at a Rival casino, your game choice and bet size are automatically limited by the software itself, i.e. the T&Cs of the bonus are applied without the player having to read a horrible wall of text to check he's not breaking the rules.

(I wasn't actually trying to play a progressive here, as I knew it wasn't allowed on the bonus I was on, but I was curious to see how the software handled it.)

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I think its brilliant actully this way you cant play a game thats not allowed in the promo, as we have so often heard in here that peeps by accident played a wrong game and were denied a win

 

[KasinoKing]

As far as I can tell when you're on a promotion at a Rival casino, your game choice and bet size are automatically limited by the software itself, i.e. the T&Cs of the bonus are applied without the player having to read a horrible wall of text to check he's not breaking the rules.

Yep as I've said before, Rival do still have a few short-comings which I think they need to address, but many of their features, including this "Game Restriction" system are absolutely excellent and put the other softwares to shame.

Good luck with your mega-bonus mega-WR!
KK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Good luck with your mega-bonus mega-WR!

I'm having a whale of a time

Getting to play video slots at £2 per spin (which is way outside what a low-roller like me would normally play) and I don't really care if I win or lose, because my maximum exposure on an £1877 bankroll from a £100 deposit is just that original £100 deposit.

Yes it's unlikely I'll meet the WR and I'll most likely lose the £100, but it'll get me hours and hours of playtime, let me play through all the slots at my leisure and see all the bonus rounds, and get to see loads of big wins, the likes of which I never normally get to see because my stakes are usually so small. (I know it's all down to multiplication of stake, but a £1000 win looks a hell of a lot more impressive than a £50 win, even if the multiplication of stake on both is identical.)

On top of that, it buys me the ability to properly plug away at higher variance slots in the hope of seeing those really nice wins. (Already at my low point I've been down to just £1050, but got that back up to a peak of £2150, and now just hovering around the £2000 mark.)

Also, the more I play more Rival slots, the more I'm liking the design ethos behind them, lots of bonus rounds and/or lots of big wins off those bonus rounds. 50x stake as a MINIMUM on some of the higher variance slots seems to be about standard, and I've already had a good number of 150-250x stake bonuses too.

They are, quite frankly, far more exciting than MG/NetEnt slots, and far more unpredictable too.

Balance back up to £2200 now, albeit with less than 10% of the WR completed But TBH, I don't care, I'll happily lose the £100 for this sort of playtime and for being able to effectively 'buy' the sort of play I won't usually undertake because I'm not prepared to risk losing that much.

I was thinking about this before, if we accept that we will always lose in the long run playing random games with a house edge, the peaks and troughs are irrelevant, BIG wins are always going to be lost back with interest thanks to the house edge (or the law of large numbers as it's also known - thanks Jufo ). So given that's the case, why not just buy PLAYTIME with deposits, because whatever is won one day, will inevitably be lost the next......

 

[tat00]

I think its brilliant actully this way you cant play a game thats not allowed in the promo, as we have so often heard in here that peeps by accident played a wrong game and were denied a win

i think all casinos should do this- this is actually the best thing i ever seen at a online casino - i applaud you tropica

i would play there if you took USA- also in my opinion i would also take the %1777 bonus offer but the max withdrawal should come up a little more than that.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

i think all casinos should do this- this is actually the best thing i ever seen at a online casino - i applaud you tropica

i would play there if you took USA- also in my opinion i would also take the %1777 bonus offer but the max withdrawal should come up a little more than that.

I think I will have a go on this after payday Thursday. Do they have any bonuses with no max withdrawal? Or are all offers attached the certain X amount of bonus?

As this will give me a go of making bigger bets and chance of winning big. Like I also mentioned in other thread

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think I will have a go on this after payday Thursday. Do they have any bonuses with no max withdrawal? Or are all offers attached the certain X amount of bonus?

As this will give me a go of making bigger bets and chance of winning big. Like I also mentioned in other thread

All the big bonus offers appear to have capped withdrawal limits, but I honestly don't think that's something to complain about.

When you're given a bankroll of nearly two grand off a £100 deposit, and are still able (given enough luck ) to withdraw £888 at the end of it, it all seems fair enough to me.

Anyone who doesn't think so can simply avoid the bonus offer

Personally speaking I'm just after a bit of 'cheap playtime', my losses over the last month or so at my usual and new haunts (various MG casinos, 3Dice, Jackpot Party, Pinnacle, Redbet) have been pretty horrible and it's only the AWPs in the pubs that have enabled me to keep my head above water.

As such I was just after a bonus offer that would 'buy' me loads of playtime without much risk in terms of real cash. Plus I am really warming to Rival's slots the more I play them, so overall this is a bonus offer that works for me at the moment in that I'm having fun with the slots and I know I'm not going to lose much.

 

[KasinoKing]

i think all casinos should do this- this is actually the best thing i ever seen at a online casino - i applaud you tropica

i would play there if you took USA- also in my opinion i would also take the %1777 bonus offer but the max withdrawal should come up a little more than that.

There are a few other Rival casinos who take new USA players (none are accredited right now) - AFAIK they should all have this feature as it is "built in" to the Rival software, and not just being implemented solely by Tropica.

KK

 

[Jufo]

Yes it's unlikely I'll meet the WR and I'll most likely lose the £100, but it'll get me hours and hours of playtime, let me play through all the slots at my leisure and see all the bonus rounds, and get to see loads of big wins, the likes of which I never normally get to see because my stakes are usually so small. (I know it's all down to multiplication of stake, but a £1000 win looks a hell of a lot more impressive than a £50 win, even if the multiplication of stake on both is identical.)

The thing is if you have only a remote chance of cashing out in the end, then you could just as well see all these "big payouts and very exciting bonus features" by playing these same slots with fun money. I know I know, it doesn't feel the same but it kind of seems like you deposited £100 for a game play that is essentially similar to playing with fun money.

I was thinking about this before, if we accept that we will always lose in the long run playing random games with a house edge, the peaks and troughs are irrelevant, BIG wins are always going to be lost back with interest thanks to the house edge (or the law of large numbers as it's also known - thanks Jufo ). So given that's the case, why not just buy PLAYTIME with deposits, because whatever is won one day, will inevitably be lost the next......

That's why on a bonus like this you should really be betting the maximum per spin and seek the highest variance slots so that you have a chance of making the playthrough before the law of large numbers has time to kick in. With low bets like €2 per spin the law of large numbers most likely kicks in before completing WR.

Is the 1777% bonus cashable? If it is then you have a decent chance of withdrawing a profit. If the bonus is removed at cashout you really need to maximize variance and try to reach higher balance because you can only withdraw what's on top of 1777€ balance at the end.

 

[Nifty29]

The thing is if you have only a remote chance of cashing out in the end, then you could just as well see all these "big payouts and very exciting bonus features" by playing these same slots with fun money. I know I know, it doesn't feel the same but it kind of seems like you deposited £100 for a game play that is essentially similar to playing with fun money.



That's why on a bonus like this you should really be betting the maximum per spin and seek the highest variance slots so that you have a chance of making the playthrough before the law of large numbers has time to kick in. With low tbets like €2 per spin the law of large numbers most likely kicks in before completing WR.

Is the 1777% bonus cashable? If it is then you have a decent chance of withdrawing a profit. If the bonus is removed at cashout you really need to maximize variance and try to reach higher balance because you can only withdraw what's on top of 1777€ balance at the end.

The max cashout is 0.5 x bonus and its cashable.

The problem is that the max bet is reduced when the promotion is active, so if the max is $3.75 or $5 it makes things tougher.

 

[Jufo]

The max cashout is 0.5 x bonus and its cashable.

The problem is that the max bet is reduced when the promotion is active, so if the max is $3.75 or $5 it makes things tougher.

Ok if it's cashable, this makes things better for Chopley. Completing the WR is still tough but not completely impossible.

I ran some computer simulations and ended up with a result that if you do the WR by playing $5 spins on a slot which has similar variance and house edge to Thunderstruck then you will have about 9.3 % chance of making the whole playthrough. The nasty part is that in those cases when you do make the playthrough your average end balance is ~5000 € and most of it will be cut off my the max.cashout rule. Without the max.cashout the bonus would have +360€ EV on a €100 deposit. With the max.cashout of 888€ the EV drops to negative -17.4 €. Therefore I don't believe the statement that the casino losts money on this promo is true.

EDIT: I ran a new simulation with 10 times more data and replaced the values above with more precise results.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ok if it's cashable, this makes things better for Chopley. Completing the WR is still tough but not completely impossible.

I ran some computer simulations and ended up with a result that if you do the WR by playing $5 spins on a slot which has similar variance and house edge to Thunderstruck then you will have about 9.3 % chance of making the whole playthrough. The nasty part is that in those cases when you do make the playthrough your average end balance is ~5000 € and most of it will be cut off my the max.cashout rule. Without the max.cashout the bonus would have +360€ EV on a €100 deposit. With the max.cashout of 888€ the EV drops to negative -17.4 €. Therefore I don't believe the statement that the casino losts money on this promo is true.

EDIT: I ran a new simulation with 10 times more data and replaced the values above with more precise results.

Thanks for those numbers Jufo, very interesting indeed!

A 9.3% chance of meeting the WR is pretty good, my current bankroll is up to £2100 and I've already done nearly 10% of the WR, so I might up my bets to £5 and see how it goes

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Work in progress........

Just an update on this, I'm 25% through the £122,000 WR (so over £30000 wagered!) and my balance is sitting at £2100 (from a starting balance of £1877), which isn't too bad really.

Have been spinning at an average of £2-£4 per spin, but did go as high as £10 per spin which was pretty exciting. (Way outside anything I'd ever consider wagering on a normal deposit.)

Have played a large variety of slots from the single liners through the normal video slots up to the 'i-slots' (which are just fancier video slots really).

Been having a lot of fun with it, even though I know the chances of me meeting the WR are slim (Jufo puts it at 9.3% and that's assuming a more 'advantageous' play style to the one I've adopted, so probably lower than that for me), I'm still getting the excitement of playing slots at large stakes and thus seeing a lot of big wins and bonus rounds, and at the back of my mind I know that if I get a good lucky run I can withdraw up to £888 from a £100 deposit. (So it 'feels' a lot different to playing with free money where I can never lose and never win.)

Have had some big ups and downs, been as low as £500-£600 a couple of times, and climbed as high as £2300, but haven't had that single MONSTER MEGA WIN that'll kick me up into the kind of area where I think I can expect to meet the WR.

The other point is, frankly, that it's saved me a fair wedge of cash because I've not been depositing or playing anywhere else. In fact, if this bonus offer at Tropica hadn't been available I wouldn't be playing at all at the moment because I was just on a horrible run beforehand and was ready to take a break from online slots completely, so this has been a really good way to keep on getting some slotting enjoyment without risking hundreds of pounds in the process.

And one final note, Rival slots are really good fun, a very big change of pace from the other providers with loads of unique touches - I'm at the point now where I'd definitely consider playing them 'bonus free', or with more sensible bonuses than the one I'm on now

Overall - having fun And even when I bust out (as I almost inevitably will) I'll definitely feel like I've had really good playtime for my money.

 

[ShayDrew]

Thanks Chopley - I had a wee crack at this as well and had a blast! Just deposited $50 so a bankroll of $900ish and Playthrough of around $62k - went down to nothing (almost) and then got a $900 hit on $3.75 on Spy Game, then a $1000 hit on Rock On betting $2 a spin. Up then down etc - got half way through the winthrough and still had around $1500.

THEN I had my seventh beer. We all know how this story ends But this lasted me a few nights and I enjoyed myself - and only spent $50!

Nice promo Tropica.

And thanks Choppers for the heads up!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I've now wagered £70,000 (!!!!) and my balance, incredibly, remains at just over £2000.

Still £52,000 to go, but this is actually starting to look doable! (In honesty I do expect this to still be a bust out, but it's been a hell of a good fun ride )

On a general note, Rival's slots roll really well IMO, and I whilst the 'about 95' or 'about 97' etc that they list their RTPs as look sloppy, I do think they're accurate.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The results are in!

 

[ShayDrew]

That hurts mate - been there with Spy Game myself - it can be VERY nasty.... Cheap weeks entertainment though!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That hurts mate - been there with Spy Game myself - it can be VERY nasty.... Cheap weeks entertainment though!

I was absolutely kicking myself, with £107,000 wagered and a bankroll of £2400, wagering the last £15,000 would have been a piece of cake if I'd just stuck to slots I knew at low to medium variance.

But no, I let my guard down, jumped onto a high variance slot at £3.75 per spin and didn't trigger the big bonus round once (which is where a lot of the RTP is tied up, as the rest of the game pays very little). In all fairness I didn't know it was such a high variance slot, but even so, very, very stupid.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Still, as you say, a cheap week's slotting and it was a hell of a ride

TBH I'd say Rival's slots are my favourites now, they make MG slots look really slow and boring IMO.

 

[chrispa1]

The only good I see here, is being able to rack up some comp points. As i understand, comp points gained at any point, regardless of bonus or free chips, can be used with no limitations. That's what I always look at when I play a bonus.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The only good I see here, is being able to rack up some comp points. As i understand, comp points gained at any point, regardless of bonus or free chips, can be used with no limitations. That's what I always look at when I play a bonus.

It depends what you're after I suppose.

I got seven days of play time for £100, it saved me a bloody fortune because I wasn't depositing and losing anywhere else!

Ultimately I felt I bought myself a good amount of play time for £100, and I had enough comp points to convert into £28 of cash when I'd finished too.