Take Note and be warned your MAC is tracked

[TheAddict]

After noticing this thread Trance probably smashed up his pc and went to the pub

 

[pinnit2014]

He’s off to kill all those who have evidence of the rigging, the RTP man and anyone who’s uttered the word compensated.

In Political terms: he’s cleaning house.

Or he’s off for a Kebab. Probably a Kebab.

 

[Steviedoo]

What he should tell? Kill the discussion?

Does this mean you only want opinions that agree with all of you?

 

[snorky510238]

He’s off to kill all those who have evidence of the rigging, the RTP man and anyone who’s uttered the word compensated.

In Political terms: he’s cleaning house.

Or he’s off for a Kebab. Probably a Kebab.

I’m not Spartacus.

 

[dionysus]

I’m not Spartacus.

thougn I suspect if Trance had a Gerard Butler body he'd be more popular

 

[dogshead1]

LOL after my 7.7k raise from a 50 deposit at Freaky Vegas the game has robbed 2.5k back with nothing on the reels over 70x bet (once) and only two features from 21 paying over 100x and one paying 270x. So I have quit 5.2k up there. Casumo, I was nearly 10k up on the game, over the coming 6 weeks took most of it back with a similar pattern to the above. I must admit, (get the hat on) it certainly does seem to 'adjust' its performance over an extended period once the 'streak' has finished so yes, it looks convincing but nevertheless your deposits will only go one way until the balance is restored.

I wouldn't say it tracks your MAC address across all casinos but rather your overall performance is counted at the given casino you play at.

Dazza I'm in exactly the same boat. However I took 4k from BTG in total this week from multiple slots. Biggest payers were Extra Chill and Bonanza respectively. Both slots are now taking it all back. 2.5k spins on Bonanza and no bonus RTP Well 59% dropped since yesterdays 62%. Pure stinks of nothing random! So 1,044 spins on top of yesterdays 1,373 spins and no bonus.

And Extra Chillies at it toooooooo coincidence that PMSL

 

[dogshead1]

A lot of newer games actually TELL us they use cookies to track data, such a simple way of also tracking previous play/win/loss history too!

I actually was meant to highlight that too!

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Oh ffs...

You really think game providers and casinos would allow their "accounting department" the functionality to intercept in real time player's winnings and divert them to a different player's account?

Really??

Look we all get suspicious at times of randomness, thinking there's patterns emerging, it's what our brain does. But please use some common sense; none of this is necessary- they will win indefinitely without any of this risky, illegal convoluted trickery.

Or you could just spoof your MAC address and win indefinitely.

 

[samikk]

Does this mean you only want opinions that agree with all of you?

No it doesn't mean.

 

[trancemonkey]

^That would NOT surprise me in the slightest^

Truth is though we will ALWAYS be told otherwise, yet NO-ONE has any absolute proof either way

A lot of newer games actually TELL us they use cookies to track data, such a simple way of also tracking previous play/win/loss history too!

No one has proof? No one? So all the people that work in the industry... they are all liars? None of them have proof either way? What a ridiculous comment to make...

 

[trancemonkey]

All the above makes a lot of sense (as you know my hat is irremovable) I even sleep with it on and not without good reason. I have said before online is a mirror image of FOBTS and they don’t know who is playing them and they don’t need to. I have always thought it’s server /rng related and stakes come into it aswell. You will probably never know the exact truth but it’s definitely not how we are led to believe. Take Dunover’s big win for instance (without checking I think he was playing £2) I don’t think for a second that amount would have been paid to a small player on 20p. When FOBTS first came out the law stated the server had to be offshore. Why if everything is trustworthy was that. The above post that has the win/lose sequence of bonanza may well be reasonably accurate but it doesn’t look very random. More like a nailed on prediction.

No... the server had to be offsite... not offshore.

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey what is your take on this thread?

I have a bruise on my forehead from banging my head against a wall...

 

[Jono777]

No one has proof? No one? So all the people that work in the industry... they are all liars? None of them have proof either way? What a ridiculous comment to make...

Easy now, I meant none industry based players on here, those with foil hats and those without!

 

[trancemonkey]

Ahh this discussion again..

This really is like watching a flat earth debate where they say "Show ne the curvature" and you "Ok, here's a million pictures, live video stream from the ISS and experiments you can do yourself." And they just say "All fake" with no proof whatsoever that they are... but because it doesn't suit their opinion they dismiss it.

They aren't rigged. There is no reason to rig. If the casinos want to make more money they can choose a lower RTP version. Simples.

Yes if you have a huge big win the chanxesareyou wont get another fora very long time because they are super rare. If yoi won the lottery tomorrow, would you claim it was rigged if you didn't win it again in the next 12 months? Of course not... maybe some of you would though

Not one of you has any proof that anything is rigged. Not one iota of statistical proof.

I on the other hand have first hand experience of them not being rigged because it's my job. I could be lying of course...

But then the industry is huge... and yet not one whistleblower... odd eh?

So you guys can think what you want but the good thing about the truth is it's true whether you believe it or not

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I'm well educated, have a great understanding of statistics and probability as well as enough knowledge of psychology to recognise the shortcomings of our own interpretation of events, am as anti-conspiratorial as they come and have been gambling for eighteen years.. and yet even I still wonder sometimes about the way slots seem to invariably play differently based on bet size so I can certainly forgive people for also being dubious.

But the idea that there's an Accounting Department intercepting and redirecting player winnings is just insane. Literally insane.

We can't trust the support staff not to sell our email addresses to spammers, or the site designers to secure our kyc docs, but all these casinos have an Accounting Department they entrust not to immediately send all winnings to their mates in the Ukraine?

Wow!

 

[goatwack]

Just as dodgy as the litany of conspiracy tinfoiling is the insistence that the industry is 100% transparent and above board at all times

Usual pattern, players raise suspicion, get insta-quashed with stock answers. I always thought it important to question certain behaviours, especially when games go on scripted random events

So to notice recurring negative 'patterns' is bad. Cookies and gameplay tracking is good. And the well-oiled machine says 'when the fun stops, stop' (around the time the player has been fleeced due to said irregularities)

 

[snorky510238]

If it’s all as straight forward as said why do you get rogue sites and not just 1 or 2 ,heaps of them?

 

[Jono777]

If it’s all as straight forward as said why do you get rogue sites and not just 1 or 2 ,heaps of them?

The rogue sites are not about crooked games or hooky software all the time though, I feel the main reason they're rogued is they don't pay at all.

Their slots could be set at 1,000% RTP and we could win ever spin and build £20 into £25,000+ - Wouldn't matter as they'd not pay anyway lol

 

[snorky510238]

The rogue sites are not about crooked games or hooky software all the time though, I feel the main reason they're rogued is they don't pay at all.

Their slots could be set at 1,000% RTP and we could win ever spin and build £20 into £25,000+ - Wouldn't matter as they'd not pay anyway lol

Yeah I appreciate that but the ones that do have rogue games/software. Just goes to show that testing/licensing etc can’t be very thorough in certain places and if done at all there must be ways around it.

 

[Steviedoo]

I have a bruise on my forehead from banging my head against a wall...

Lol.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Yeah I appreciate that but the ones that do have rogue games/software. Just goes to show that testing/licensing etc can’t be very thorough in certain places and if done at all there must be ways around it.

This is like writing off the medical industry because the guy you met in an alley stole your kidney.

 

[pinnit2014]

Ten spins in and not a bonus on Bonanza.

Rigged.

 

[snorky510238]

This is like writing off the medical industry because the guy you met in an alley stole your kidney.

One rotten apple!

 

[trancemonkey]

Just as dodgy as the litany of conspiracy tinfoiling is the insistence that the industry is 100% transparent and above board at all times

Usual pattern, players raise suspicion, get insta-quashed with stock answers. I always thought it important to question certain behaviours, especially when games go on scripted random events

So to notice recurring negative 'patterns' is bad. Cookies and gameplay tracking is good. And the well-oiled machine says 'when the fun stops, stop' (around the time the player has been fleeced due to said irregularities)

Goatyman... Not you as well

Yes there are parts of the industry that are not the best. Yes some casinos could be more transparent. Yes they could be friendlier to players.

But this is the same in every industry in the world - there are car garages that are good .Good service, good prices and don't rip you off. There are also the opposite to that. Eventually people learn and avoid the bad garages and hopefully they go out of business. Casinos are no different. There is bad and good in everything. That's why CM exists... But if you don't even believe the honest people on here then there is very little more we can go for you

 

[trancemonkey]

Yeah I appreciate that but the ones that do have rogue games/software. Just goes to show that testing/licensing etc can’t be very thorough in certain places and if done at all there must be ways around it.

What kind of testing would pick up illegal games? If they are running illegal content they are hardly likely to put the casino in front of any decent regulator.