Take Note and be warned your MAC is tracked

[dogshead1]

Happened to Dazza G and now me twice running!

After taking BTG for nearly 4k this week Bonanza to witch

I did not play sucked over 1k back in one session

 

[Steviedoo]

Not understanding how this shows your Mac is tracked.

 

[dogshead1]

Not understanding how this shows your Mac is tracked.

Stats show it’s a robbing peice of shit! Always dramatically drops it’s RTP for record numbers of spins and does not give bonus or put your balance ahead at any given point. Everytime after a large win or wins. Your large wins are very rare and only compensate a small percentage of you lifetime losses.
No randomness at all just a periodic repetive pattern of win a little lose a lot.

If the slots can track all your bet histories and remember your last bet spin prior to a crash you can bet your bottem dollar it tracks your MAC address. It has too to match the security coding and everything else technical to reply the game for the correct player! Just because you’ve logged out and back in does not mean it’s running from your username. Your MAC address is registered to their servers!!! Almost Everyone has pointed out that Bonanza, Extra Chilli etc and more feel compensated. Well this is why and how it would work. As it would distribute a code across all your know MAC addresses, iPhone etc as to where over a long long life term your PRTP will balance out to the 96.6 % or whatever it is””

 

[CC07]

Stats show it’s a robbing peice of shit! Always dramatically drops it’s RTP for record numbers of spins and does not give bonus or put your balance ahead at any given point. Everytime after a large win or wins. Your large wins are very rare and only compensate a small percentage of you lifetime losses.
No randomness at all just a periodic repetive pattern of win a little lose a lot.

If the slots can track all your bet histories and remember your last bet spin prior to a crash you can bet your bottem dollar it tracks your MAC address. It has too to match the security coding and everything else technical to reply the game for the correct player! Just because you’ve logged out and back in does not mean it’s running from your username. Your MAC address is registered to their servers!!! Almost Everyone has pointed out that Bonanza, Extra Chilli etc and more feel compensated. Well this is why and how it would work. As it would distribute a code across all your know MAC addresses, iPhone etc as to where over a long long life term your PRTP will balance out to the 96.6 % or whatever it is””[/QUOTE

I’d have to disagree with you on this. I’ve played nearly 50k spins at VS and my RTP is just over 100%. I’ve had quite a few big wins (relative to my low rolling bet size) at other casinos too.

 

[dunover]

LOL after my 7.7k raise from a 50 deposit at Freaky Vegas the game has robbed 2.5k back with nothing on the reels over 70x bet (once) and only two features from 21 paying over 100x and one paying 270x. So I have quit 5.2k up there. Casumo, I was nearly 10k up on the game, over the coming 6 weeks took most of it back with a similar pattern to the above. I must admit, (get the hat on) it certainly does seem to 'adjust' its performance over an extended period once the 'streak' has finished so yes, it looks convincing but nevertheless your deposits will only go one way until the balance is restored.

I wouldn't say it tracks your MAC address across all casinos but rather your overall performance is counted at the given casino you play at.

 

[nikantw]

So that I don't repeat myself:

Slots: What you should know before you play

Even I need to be reminded of those sometimes

 

[greylady]

I stopped playing slots weeks ago and I have very little interest in even playing right now as I was bored of the predictable cycles of the slots I play, maybe it's time for a break from slots or maybe even just Bonanza if you feel that way

 

[Reelsoffun]

I’d have to disagree with you on this. I’ve played nearly 50k spins at VS and my RTP is just over 100%. I’ve had quite a few big wins (relative to my low rolling bet size) at other casinos too.

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Being 0.08% in profit at the 50k spins mark hardly discounts what @dogshead1 said, please feel free to post your stats in another 25,000 or 50,000 spins

I have been tracking my slot play on spreadsheets for years and from way before "my RTP" on videoslots and the cycle of large win or sequences of big wins on a slot followed by longer than average flat / dead periods until the RTP is back down is very common, IMO too common to be random but that is only my opinion based on play.

Its a bit of a grind tracking each slot on each site all the time, with spins, stakes feature wins etc but the sheet i made does most the leg work, but you get to see a lot of very useful info like how much recycling is being done as well as what base % your getting compared to feature wins etc etc.

But whether they are random, randomsated or compensated, on a site level, mac, or account level the bottom line is your going to lose overall, so why do we all moan when we lose? LOL

 

[ternur]

It would be illegal if this was true.

If a slot provider tracked your details and then made adjustments based on your return, then why would there be a need to certify games and RTPs? Are the certification parties part of this conspiracy? All just a hoax to give a false sense of randomness and ostensible level of transparency?

Tracking or registering player MAC address is a moot point in this discussion. The point is: is it possible game providers can adjust RTP based on the game play on an individual account? I personally believe they can't (or atleast are not doing so).

 

[goatwack]

I don't need Mac to tell me Bonanza's compenrigged. And I've never even met the fella

 

[nikantw]

I don't need Mac to tell me Bonanza's compenrigged. And I've never even met the fella

I have seen him .....

 

[Steviedoo]

But isn’t this most sessions on slots but mostly bonanza. You guys complain a lot about losing all the time. See bonanza thread. Streaks of slot sessions where all you do is lose.

And then you win.

What do you think happens next?

You’re gonna lose. Cuz that’s the norm with slots. It just falls in the normal behaviour of the slot. You are just noticing all the losses now because of your big win.

This is bonanza sessions.

Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose
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WIN.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.WIN.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.loseLose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.win.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.
BIGWIN.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.WIN.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.Lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.lose.


And you can dig up lockinloves thread. She did over 400k spins on it. And see her take.

 

[brianmon]

Not that i'm saying anything is compensated.

But maybe one possible way of doing it, would be to have the accounting section of the servers do it.

The games could be as fair and certified as you like. But the accounting software will get a spin result first.
If it was a big win, could the accounting software maybe void that win and request another spin, before passing the result on to the player?

The games are supposedly certified as fair. But who checks and monitors the rest of the server software?

 

[Jono777]

^That would NOT surprise me in the slightest^

Truth is though we will ALWAYS be told otherwise, yet NO-ONE has any absolute proof either way

A lot of newer games actually TELL us they use cookies to track data, such a simple way of also tracking previous play/win/loss history too!

 

[brianmon]

^That would NOT surprise me in the slightest^

Truth is though we will ALWAYS be told otherwise, yet NO-ONE has any absolute proof either way

A lot of newer games actually TELL us they use cookies to track data, such a simple way of also tracking previous play/win/loss history too!

Account numbers are tracked anyway.
How else would Microgaming be able to save your 'acheivements' on IR and TSII etc, and retrieve them again next time you sign in, even from a different computer, or even from a different ip address?

Next time you open IR, you'll see the last reel positions from when you last played. It's even more noticeable if you ended your last session after a feature. Because when you next login to that particular casino, and open IR or TSII etc. You'll be greeted with the end screen of the feature you last played.

 

[Jono777]

Agree with what you say and yes noticed this over the years, always recalls bet size too (which for me is usually minimum bet have IR/TSI and see 0.90/1.20 and though "oh had a good session last time I was here")

I was more referring to when we're told "each spin is independent..." , "previous play is not a factor..." where they supposedly DON'T store the data we speak of.

I'd say not all providers do this as I've had several close together wild lines on DoA, few small dead sessions (nowhere near to pull my winnings back) then bang, another wild line.

However I am now 90% convinced BTG do this, too many personal instances and also read of it happening to way too many others also. Strange also how BTG slots seem to pay so much better at Caddell sites (don't play there nowadays but past served me well) compared to the "big guns" such as VS/Casumo/LV etc.

 

[nikantw]

Not that i'm saying anything is compensated.

But maybe one possible way of doing it, would be to have the accounting section of the servers do it.

The games could be as fair and certified as you like. But the accounting software will get a spin result first.
If it was a big win, could the accounting software maybe void that win and request another spin, before passing the result on to the player?

The games are supposedly certified as fair. But who checks and monitors the rest of the server software?

Not doing it that way. That is messing with the RNG, if the big win is voided. But (hat on) what if that big win goes to a "good customer" that doesn't cashout?

Hat off.
Trouth is they don't just check RTP, they do many more checks. Trance gave me the links once, look it up in "ask me anything" thread (track my early posts) or look it up in UKGC.
Honestly it's a lot of reading and I didn't get the time to do it properly. Anybody that wants to find a loophole has to read all that first.

 

[brianmon]

Not doing it that way. That is messing with the RNG, if the big win is voided. But (hat on) what if that big win goes to a "good customer" that doesn't cashout?

Hat off.
Trouth is they don't just check RTP, they do many more checks. Trance gave me the links once, look it up in "ask me anything" thread (track my early posts) or look it up in UKGC.
Honestly it's a lot of reading and I didn't get the time to do it properly. Anybody that wants to find a loophole has to read all that first.

And they supposedly 'seal' the servers. But the CEO of betsson has previously complained about the MGA not checking and sealing servers.
There's a link to an article in some industry publication, somewhere in the forum. I wouldn't know where to find it though. But I do remember reading it, and it has been mentioned recently in another thread.
Oh and the seals in question are a sticky label

 

[colinsunderland]

If the slots can track all your bet histories and remember your last bet spin prior to a crash you can bet your bottem dollar it tracks your MAC address.

Why don't you analyse the data sent to the game servers and see what info it gets.
If you think thats bad, you don't want to google ieSnare

 

[brianmon]

Why don't you analyse the data sent to the game servers and see what info it gets.
If you think thats bad, you don't want to google ieSnare

Just found and deleted iesnare on my computer. it was installed in april this year, So not sure where it came from.
But I'll be checking regularly now, to see if i can trace it's origin

 

[mack341]

Just found and deleted iesnare on my computer. it was installed in april this year, So not sure where it came from.
But I'll be checking regularly now, to see if i can trace it's origin

Brian, if you don't mind me asking, which method did you use to find it?

I've just tried using "start>search programs and files" and entered 'mpsnare' but nothing came up, not sure though if I trust windows 7 search function to be ultra thorough. I wonder if this tracking software shows up anywhere in the taskmanager?

 

[brianmon]

Brian, if you don't mind me asking, which method did you use to find it?

I've just tried using "start>search programs and files" and entered 'mpsnare' but nothing came up, not sure though if I trust windows 7 search function to be ultra thorough. I wonder if this tracking software shows up anywhere in the taskmanager?

I just searched C drive and it turned up in the google apps directory

 

[snorky510238]

All the above makes a lot of sense (as you know my hat is irremovable) I even sleep with it on and not without good reason. I have said before online is a mirror image of FOBTS and they don’t know who is playing them and they don’t need to. I have always thought it’s server /rng related and stakes come into it aswell. You will probably never know the exact truth but it’s definitely not how we are led to believe. Take Dunover’s big win for instance (without checking I think he was playing £2) I don’t think for a second that amount would have been paid to a small player on 20p. When FOBTS first came out the law stated the server had to be offshore. Why if everything is trustworthy was that. The above post that has the win/lose sequence of bonanza may well be reasonably accurate but it doesn’t look very random. More like a nailed on prediction.

 

[Steviedoo]

@trancemonkey what is your take on this thread?

 

[samikk]

@trancemonkey what is your take on this thread?

What he should tell? Kill the discussion?