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Discussion in 'Ask the Meister' started by rick, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. rick

    rick Dormant account

    I run sportsbetz.net and can't understand why we are listed in you Rogue Casino list. If you had taken the time to look at our sportsbook you would have noticed that we have not taken clients off the web for over a year! Our company runs a sportsbook in Belize with pre-arranged customers from all over North America.

    We employee 40 persons in Data Pro free zone in Belize and have been operating for some time now.

    The most amazing thing about us being in your BS list is that we don't run a casino....only sportsbook.

    Try putting your money where your mouth is. Find one customer that has bet through us and has not been paid and I will gladdly close down the website. If not, please take our website off your list.

    Rick
     
  2. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Rick,

    And welcome to the forum. The reason why sportsbets.net was listed in the "Rogue" section is because your website was being served from the same server that runs Elka System software (now Oyster Gaming). This software has been known to cheat players, and since your casino/sportsbook was associated with them, I was obliged to warn my visitors. If this is in error, I'll be glad to remove you from the section.

    And this has nothing to do with not paying customers; this has to do with cheating software.

    I know this may have miffed you a bit, but don't come here challenging my integrity.
     
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Oh and since you now have my attention, what relationship does your company have with Elka Systems/Oyster Gaming? Please let me know. Thanks!
     
  4. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Anyway Rick emailed me the following. I'm unsure why he didn't post this. But I'll do him the favor, so this isn't hanging out there without a response:

    [color=0000ff]We have no relationship with their company concerning any ecash services,
    spam, or not paying customers. We have helped them with their sportsbook
    development to create one of the best sportsbook software programs out
    their. For the past year we have also shared server space with them because
    they hosted in the UK and our gaming license was not approved. We are now
    setup in Belize and will start marketing and development on our own.


    There is a big difference between us and many other operations. A call
    center! All other so called "rogue" companies will never invest in a gaming
    license and callcenter to scam it clients. They will just keep changing the
    name of their website every couple of months.


    As far as things go with 2k services business practices, its their business.
    If they want to screw people let them sink, its of no concern to our
    company. When we finish with our sportsbook a full test of the casino
    software will come next. From what I have seen in the industry every
    software is capable of fixing wins and losses. Its up to the casino to make
    sure there is no funny business happening with payout odds.


    he first thing a gambler should do is confirm that the casino or sportsbook
    they are wagering with is fully licensed and has a location in the country
    of licensing not just an on site server. If some of the people who frequent
    your site would have done that, they might have realized that all of 2k
    services casino's are operating without a license. This goes for most of the
    casino's and sportsbooks out their.


    Rick
    Mirage Data Pro. LTD[/color]
    ***end of message

    But please note that there is a relationship between sportsbetz.net and Oyster Gaming:

    sportsbetz.net = 212.100.255.14

    57 domains found on 212.100.255.14
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    And I think it's a little naive to believe that a call center is a telltale sign of a scamless operation. The Virtual Casino group has a call center and they are one of the most despicable casino groups out there.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are scamming any one, but I am pointing out the fact that your website is hosted on the same server that hosts Elka System/Oyster Gaming casinos.
    http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/elkasys.html

    Why? Can you not afford your own server? I am a one man operation and I have my own server :D

    What's up with that?
     
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Looks to me like another outfit running on BS.
     
  6. rick

    rick Dormant account

    I dont see any server relationship with 2kservices now! Our domain is still listed in the rogue casino section eventhough we dont take signups and therefore have never had a complaint. I will now start posting on every watchdog site that this site is spreading bullshit about us for no reason unless we are removed from your list!
     
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Rick,

    Please post as much as you want. C'mon, bring on the heat! I'm begging you to. In fact, please include a link to this thread so that these players will realize that you are lying when you state that you have no connection to oystergaming.com

    oystergaming.com = 212.100.255.14

    55 domains found on 212.100.255.14
    Showing all 55.

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    You know, I ought to double blacklist your site for the offense of actions unbecoming of a casino manager. Your tact and communication skills leave much to be desired. I could set up a special section just for you to warn players that you don't have the ability to answer direct questions about your dodgy business. My decision stands on the fact that you share server space with a rogue software provider.

    And what's up with the server? I have my own server. Why don't you??
     
  8. rick

    rick Dormant account

    Anybody can check and see the You must register/login in order to see the link. points to 63.245.47.67. I have don't understand what you are talking about!
     
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    What I did (and what anyone else do for that matter) is do a reverse IP search here. You must register/login in order to see the link.
    Sure you may have an IP address of 63.245.47.67, but if you do a reverse IP search on oystergaming.com, you'll see it will list all the domains listed on their server, to include yours. You have your own IP address, but you share a server with oystergaming.

    Again back to square one. My question to you, what is the specific relationship with oystergaming, and if you have no relationship with them, why are you hosted on their server?? I believe this is a fair enough question to ask.
     
  10. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    This guy is a clown as well as an aggressive BS artist. But he is BUSTED!

    He clearly doesn't know too much about the business and that, allied to his attempted lies should be enough to warn everyone.

    Definitely a rogue, Bryan!
     
  11. boodu

    boodu Dormant account

    They don't look like the same servers to me..

    oystergaming.com (ns1.nextstart.net):

    traceroute to You must register/login in order to see the link. (212.100.255.14), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.433 ms 0.333 ms 0.319 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet3-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.44 ms 0.275 ms 0.313 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet2-2.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.62 ms 0.488 ms 0.485 ms
    4 Pos4-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.121) 4.546 ms 4.601 ms 4.22 ms
    5 10GigabitEthernet3-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.86) 4.384 ms 4.463 ms 4.383 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-0.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.242) 4.146 ms 4.132 ms 4.125 ms
    7 i-13-2.sjc-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.41) 191.131 ms 191.356 ms 191.542 ms
    8 i-11-0.chi-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.58) 874.441 ms 871.847 ms 875.232 ms
    9 i-12-0.eig-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.86) 906.58 ms 906.209 ms 902.501 ms
    10 i-10-0.nwk-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.90) 289.896 ms 290.221 ms 290.472 ms
    11 i-10-0.ldn-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.144.18) 359.877 ms 360.039 ms 359.704 ms
    12 ge3-0.pr1.lhr1.uk.above.net (195.66.224.76) 977.03 ms 976.607 ms 972.992 ms
    13 pos9-0.mpr1.lhr1.uk.above.net (208.184.231.69) 360.677 ms 360.189 ms 360.174 ms
    14 213-161-78-250.exponential-e.com (213.161.78.250) 989.813 ms 988.803 ms 987.271 ms
    15 fe-0-0-03-bg2.ixsolutions.net (80.69.1.2) 361.254 ms 361.552 ms 361.707 ms
    16 fe-1-8-03-ed2.ixsolutions.net (80.69.0.34) 970.153 ms 972.365 ms 970.55 ms
    17 vl131.aggr2.lon.rackspace.net (212.100.227.26) 972.288 ms 969.851 ms 972.486 ms
    18 212.100.255.14 (212.100.255.14) 972.53 ms 970.223 ms 974.281 ms

    Sportsbetz.net (ns1.domaindirect.com):

    traceroute to You must register/login in order to see the link. (63.245.47.67), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1 FastEthernet6-0.civ-service1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.1.65) 0.429 ms 0.488 ms 0.344 ms
    2 GigabitEthernet3-0.civ-core2.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.10.129) 0.487 ms 0.449 ms 0.404 ms
    3 GigabitEthernet2-2.dkn-core1.Canberra.telstra.net (203.50.6.126) 0.628 ms 0.595 ms 0.529 ms
    4 Pos4-0.ken-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.121) 4.43 ms 3.912 ms 3.983 ms
    5 10GigabitEthernet3-0.pad-core4.Sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.86) 5.884 ms 4.283 ms 4.182 ms
    6 GigabitEthernet0-0.syd-core01.Sydney.net.reach.com (203.50.13.242) 4.255 ms 4.22 ms 4.131 ms
    7 i-9-2.sjc-core01.net.reach.com (202.84.143.13) 191.869 ms 191.823 ms 191.518 ms
    8 i-3-1.sjc02.net.reach.com (202.84.251.58) 191.529 ms 191.567 ms 191.214 ms
    9 level3.sjc-core01.net.reach.com (134.159.63.62) 191.896 ms 191.777 ms 192.231 ms
    10 so-5-0-0.gar2.SanJose1.level3.net (209.244.3.141) 192.199 ms 192.478 ms 192.397 ms
    11 so-7-0-0.mp2.SanJose1.Level3.net (64.159.1.77) 192.058 ms 192.023 ms 192.588 ms
    12 so-3-0-0.mp1.Miami1.Level3.net (64.159.0.1) 912.572 ms 915.268 ms 913.329 ms
    13 gige9-0.hsipaccess2.Miami1.Level3.net (64.159.0.14) 915.082 ms 912.442 ms 912.202 ms
    14 miami-gw-level3.internap.com (64.156.8.58) 891.098 ms 890.638 ms 892.219 ms
    15 border5.ge3-1.bbnet1.mia003.pnap.net (216.52.160.43) 897.451 ms 896.515 ms 896.476 ms
    16 asurnet-4.border5.mia003.pnap.net (69.25.2.50) 897.908 ms 896.625 ms 896.925 ms
    17 63.245.5.6 (63.245.5.6) 899.424 ms 897.611 ms 897.279 ms
    18 intelco-2.nwnnetwork.net (63.245.4.78) 923.163 ms 916.81 ms 919.416 ms
    19 63.245.30.4 (63.245.30.4) 926.608 ms 923.654 ms 916.042 ms
    20 63.245.47.67 (63.245.47.67) 932.119 ms 997.549 ms 919.657 ms
     

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