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Question: can a game provider link a player coming from online casino Y ?
No

Can a game provider prevent a player from winning time after time?
No

Can a gameprovider cap a certain player?
No

Do they have some sort of security build into their game offers that prevent players from exploiting games?
If you're talking about straightforward wagering, No. (There are security checks built in to prevent players from interfering / manipulating packets of data in an attempt to change game results).

Maybe i should just move on from stupid slots.
If you believe slots are rigged, then I absolutely agree.

The only luck you have is being somewhere at the right moment, that's where it ends basicly.
Perhaps one of the best and most sensible post in this whole thread.
 
So how do you explain my flatout from 11.5k on ALL slots then?

Trust me, i've seen it happen at other players too. Guy who'd have 15k on their balance being flatout on slots. And it does'nt even take crazy bets for it in order todo so.

Btw: if you cant come up with some solid documentation on your "no" answer i dont really buy it. Do you know what's behind that software? I dont think you do.
 
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You must be right, because we often spend late nights in the office trying to think of ways to piss you off and take all your money just because that, and not having a good experience, is likely to make you keep coming back. Thank God we got it right. Those pizzas, hookers and cocaine were well worth the time money and effort to keep us working late in to the night!

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I like your answer!:thumbsup:
I understand you very well and i know that in your opinion all these gambler posts about slots are just silly!If i was you i would probably think the same...
I'm not this crazy slotspinner as slots aren't not my favorite but sometimes i play them and play only high variance slots like 300 shields.Where i have chance to win big by placing small bet.
I do not know exactly what and what principles were used in slots development.But when i play i believe in what is see as any other normal person.And if i see something strange happening repeatedly then i start to think that there something isn't right.!From my playing experience i can share with you following:
1:I notice that in most of slots - if often 2 scatter symbols land on last 2 reels then bonus feature will not come in for long.
2:But if 2 scatters often land on first 3 reels then bonus feature is "due"
3:If instead of 3 scatters you get 4 then very often the winnings from bonus feature will be shit..
4:If you often see only 1 scatter landing on reels especially on 1st then bonus feature will not come in for long
5:For 90% of time you never meet your expectation if you play on one size of bet for long time,balance just slowly disappears..
6: 2 scatters on reels but 3-rd just outside or above (which makes gambler to press spin again)
7: Line of high value symbols with one symbol missing which is just under or above payline
8:Bonus feature comes in just before money runs out or on last spin
9: Not on all but on some developer games - slot changes "behavior" if suddenly size of bet is risen or lowered down.
Do 100-200 spins by £0.5 and then switch to high stake like £50 or maxbet and sometimes even on first spin 3 scatters come in.
10:Most of time If big win comes it comes quick
Maybe somebody else wants to continue this list and share his experience???
I would add some more but i'm busy and got to do my things...
All these things happen in daily basis and i accept them as they are as i'm unable anyway to change anything about it !
Good luck to all!
 
I like your answer!:thumbsup:
I understand you very well and i know that in your opinion all these gambler posts about slots are just silly!If i was you i would probably think the same...
I'm not this crazy slotspinner as slots aren't not my favorite but sometimes i play them and play only high variance slots like 300 shields.Where i have chance to win big by placing small bet.
I do not know exactly what and what principles were used in slots development.But when i play i believe in what is see as any other normal person.And if i see something strange happening repeatedly then i start to think that there something isn't right.!From my playing experience i can share with you following:
1:I notice that in most of slots - if often 2 scatter symbols land on last 2 reels then bonus feature will not come in for long.
2:But if 2 scatters often land on first 3 reels then bonus feature is "due"
3:If instead of 3 scatters you get 4 then very often the winnings from bonus feature will be shit..
4:If you often see only 1 scatter landing on reels especially on 1st then bonus feature will not come in for long
5:For 90% of time you never meet your expectation if you play on one size of bet for long time,balance just slowly disappears..
6: 2 scatters on reels but 3-rd just outside or above (which makes gambler to press spin again)
7: Line of high value symbols with one symbol missing which is just under or above payline
8:Bonus feature comes in just before money runs out or on last spin
9: Not on all but on some developer games - slot changes "behavior" if suddenly size of bet is risen or lowered down.
Do 100-200 spins by £0.5 and then switch to high stake like £50 or maxbet and sometimes even on first spin 3 scatters come in.
10:Most of time If big win comes it comes quick
Maybe somebody else wants to continue this list and share his experience???
I would add some more but i'm busy and got to do my things...
All these things happen in daily basis and i accept them as they are as i'm unable anyway to change anything about it !
Good luck to all!

And what do you tell yourself every time, say, number 2 doesn't happen?
Or do you ignore them when they don't happen and only notice them when they do which is EXACTLY how i used to be! :)

Not asking you to comment - but just think about it.

Tell you what - next time you are sitting at the machine, and you think "scatters are happening on the last two reels a lot" just count how many spins it takes you to get a win. Repeat this next time. And again another 100 (ish :) ) times... and then tell me the average number of spins :)
 
It does not sound random at all...only seems like the software wanted you to keep pressing that START button in hope for better...
If you was owner of Netent or Micro or whatever for you would be no any problem to hire a group of psychologists to help to decide what needs to be added into software.To keep people happy,to let people win,to make lose and always to come back after even big loss......I think in gambling business everything is planned very carefully and nothing happens with no reason! It's 21st century out there...century of technology and possible is everything...
 
Even the chair you sit on into a live casino is made in such a way you wont have any discomfort pressing the REPEAT BET button.

Well of course it is... what a ridiculous thing to say. Do you think that should be news? Will you report us to the UKGC?

I can see the headlines now: "Casinos providing comfortable chairs encourages problem gambling"... and then a law saying every chair should contain spikes in the seat to make sure you don't sit too long. Or at all.

This is the most laughable post of 2018! Can we have an award for this post next year please CasimoMeister ;)
 
If you was owner of Netent or Micro or whatever for you would be no any problem to hire a group of psychologists to help to decide what needs to be added into software.To keep people happy,to let people win,to make lose and always to come back after even big loss......I think in gambling business everything is planned very carefully and nothing happens with no reason! It's 21st century out there...century of technology and possible is everything...

We don't need psychologists... we have producers. I.e people like me. That's my job to keep you playing and interested. :)
 
We don't need psychologists... we have producers. I.e people like me. That's my job to keep you playing and interested. :)
I thought you work for one of very well known bookies company in UK but not for any online gambling software provider.Sorry if i'm wrong..
I played slot machines in UK bookies maybe 20 times in my whole life.Their "behavior" seemed to me very different in compare to online.I would not want to come back to play them in any circumstances.In my opinion they work pretty much same as scratch cards from corner shops.As result will be very likely the same. Or you get 20 £1 scratch cards or do 20 spins on machine at £1 a spin.In both you have chance to hit a £500 from a spin or scratch.
 
I thought you work for one of very well known bookies company in UK but not for any online gambling software provider.Sorry if i'm wrong..
I played slot machines in UK bookies maybe 20 times in my whole life.Their "behavior" seemed to me very different in compare to online.I would not want to come back to play them in any circumstances.In my opinion they work pretty much same as scratch cards from corner shops.As result will be very likely the same. Or you get 20 £1 scratch cards or do 20 spins on machine at £1 a spin.In both you have chance to hit a £500 from a spin or scratch.

I used to work for Inspired making slots for both online and offline .. now I just so slots for land-based (offline) but these get ported to online sometimes as well...

The maths and sometimes even features within games are different between online and offline versions of the same games... this is for many reasons including the fact the markets are very different machines in bookies have fixed stakes that we had to follow although this has loosened recently but still has to be divisable in to 2 quid.
 
Not sure how to phrase this ? I have been playing at a casino. This is what keeps happening to me.
I win lets say 258 on a slot. I will then move and play on different slots and I go right to zero. I mean if I get a 2.00 bonus round I am happy. Next day deposit win 254 on a slot. No matter what games I play right to zero. This has been happening time and time again.
When I do get a cashout the dollar amount of lets 254 will change to something like 333 then I will win up to that amount and boom lose. Then again over 300 and boom lose.
So is this in my mind or is there a explanation mathematical computer gaming whatever to explain this.
It only happens at one casino that I play at and I don't wear tinfoil hats it ruins my hair. So please chime in on your thoughts.
Also if there is a logical explanation then what should I be doing to avoid this from happening? Dont say cashout because there is a wagering attached cant do it.
Dont say play min or max bets have tried that also and boom nothing. I mean to lose 254 on min or 15 cent and 30 cent bets in like 20 min is making me nuts.
I almost feel like there is a win lost setting on me as a player. Like I need to lose x amount before i can win X amount. Now add that to rtp settings and it becomes a major challenge. I know It sounds like I should put the foil hat on but its bugging the shit out of me and like I said its only happening at one casino I play at.
I mean if its suppose to be random then how is it I am able to win 254 then lose and then win 258 and then lose and then win 256 and then lose. When I see the streaks as I call them of numbers my gut just tells me something is off. Either how I am playing or how the casino software is set up.
Please advise on your thoughts.
 
Don't know, are you sure the casino itself isn't dodgy? Does it have good reviews?
I've had big wins in the beginning, middle and end of a session playing both with and without a bonus. But I don't feel like taking a bonus matters a whole lot because I've also busted out without any big win both with and without a bonus :( These days I only take non-deposit bonuses and haven't noticed anything strange, other than that I usually don't even meet 50% of the wagering :laugh:
 
Not sure how to phrase this ? I have been playing at a casino. This is what keeps happening to me.
I win lets say 258 on a slot. I will then move and play on different slots and I go right to zero. I mean if I get a 2.00 bonus round I am happy. Next day deposit win 254 on a slot. No matter what games I play right to zero. This has been happening time and time again.
When I do get a cashout the dollar amount of lets 254 will change to something like 333 then I will win up to that amount and boom lose. Then again over 300 and boom lose.
So is this in my mind or is there a explanation mathematical computer gaming whatever to explain this.
It only happens at one casino that I play at and I don't wear tinfoil hats it ruins my hair. So please chime in on your thoughts.
Also if there is a logical explanation then what should I be doing to avoid this from happening? Dont say cashout because there is a wagering attached cant do it.
Dont say play min or max bets have tried that also and boom nothing. I mean to lose 254 on min or 15 cent and 30 cent bets in like 20 min is making me nuts.
I almost feel like there is a win lost setting on me as a player. Like I need to lose x amount before i can win X amount. Now add that to rtp settings and it becomes a major challenge. I know It sounds like I should put the foil hat on but its bugging the shit out of me and like I said its only happening at one casino I play at.
I mean if its suppose to be random then how is it I am able to win 254 then lose and then win 258 and then lose and then win 256 and then lose. When I see the streaks as I call them of numbers my gut just tells me something is off. Either how I am playing or how the casino software is set up.
Please advise on your thoughts.

it very much depends whether you want to believe in untrue conspiracies, or mathematical and statistical probabilities...
Most people will always remember their peak balance... and of course it is very dependent on what you are starting with.
If you're depositing 100, and getting to 258, then you're doing well...
Sure, some people want to get to 500, or 1000, from the same starting point but that's statistically unlikely (though not impossible).
So what is your deposit for these wins?
 
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Going to try this end of the week then, thanks for the advice :thumbsup::cheers: I will report back on my findings!

You're also more likely to win if you wear a hat and glasses as the casino can hack in to your webcam to view your mood and change the behaviour of the games based on your facial expressions.
If you don't have glasses or a hat, then make sure you always look sad.

Oh, and make sure every 10th spin you hit the spacebar with your forehead. They check for that too. :thumbsup:
 
Going to try this end of the week then, thanks for the advice :thumbsup::cheers: I will report back on my findings!
It worked for me 4 months in row!But unfortunately i did not get anything in this month.Hopefully begin of february will be that lucky one ...:thumbsup:
Biggest win was over 3900x at 5£ a spin and another 3 over 2500x all on £1 bet .All wins happened between 2nd -8th of each month.
 
You're also more likely to win if you wear a hat and glasses as the casino can hack in to your webcam to view your mood and change the behaviour of the games based on your facial expressions.
If you don't have glasses or a hat, then make sure you always look sad.

Oh, and make sure every 10th spin you hit the spacebar with your forehead. They check for that too. :thumbsup:

No worries, I don't have a webcam at all!
 
It worked for me 4 months in row!But unfortunately i did not get anything in this month.Hopefully begin of february will be that lucky one ...:thumbsup:
Biggest win was over 3900x at 5£ a spin and another 3 over 2500x all on £1 bet .All wins happened between 2nd -8th of each month.

I was actually going to try to get a decent bonus on 300 Shields and King Kong next month ;) But I hope you understand I don't believe in time of day/week/month making much of a difference, just that I try to play once weekly and see where it goes. Can't win (or lose) every time.
 
it very much depends whether you want to believe in untrue conspiracies, or mathematical and statistical probabilities...
Most people will always remember their peak balance... and of course it is very dependent on what you are starting with.
If you're depositing 100, and getting to 258, then you're doing well...
Sure, some people want to get to 500, or 1000, from the same starting point but that's statistically unlikely (though not impossible).
So what is your deposit for these wins?

deposits all vary i could do 35 and i could do over 100 but it will still stop me at 250 mark or whatever the current number is lol
 
deposits all vary i could do 35 and i could do over 100 but it will still stop me at 250 mark or whatever the current number is lol

Well it’s not stopping because it’s programmed to stop... but to get from 35 to 250 is pretty good going.

You should try cashing out :)
 
Not sure how to phrase this ? I have been playing at a casino. This is what keeps happening to me.
I win lets say 258 on a slot. I will then move and play on different slots and I go right to zero. I mean if I get a 2.00 bonus round I am happy. Next day deposit win 254 on a slot. No matter what games I play right to zero. This has been happening time and time again.
When I do get a cashout the dollar amount of lets 254 will change to something like 333 then I will win up to that amount and boom lose. Then again over 300 and boom lose.
So is this in my mind or is there a explanation mathematical computer gaming whatever to explain this.
It only happens at one casino that I play at and I don't wear tinfoil hats it ruins my hair. So please chime in on your thoughts.
Also if there is a logical explanation then what should I be doing to avoid this from happening? Dont say cashout because there is a wagering attached cant do it.
Dont say play min or max bets have tried that also and boom nothing. I mean to lose 254 on min or 15 cent and 30 cent bets in like 20 min is making me nuts.
I almost feel like there is a win lost setting on me as a player. Like I need to lose x amount before i can win X amount. Now add that to rtp settings and it becomes a major challenge. I know It sounds like I should put the foil hat on but its bugging the shit out of me and like I said its only happening at one casino I play at.
I mean if its suppose to be random then how is it I am able to win 254 then lose and then win 258 and then lose and then win 256 and then lose. When I see the streaks as I call them of numbers my gut just tells me something is off. Either how I am playing or how the casino software is set up.
Please advise on your thoughts.

If just listning to what Trancemonkey has to say, he somehow seems to dodge certain (keypoint) questions. I am not a developer, guru in the casino industry, but i recognize this behaviour. You need to 'wager' some amount of money before you can win something back. Does'nt matter how your gaming strategy is. It's all the same. Maths or not, this is just unfair if a wager is against you while switching from slot.

This is different into a landbased tho. If a slot does'nt do what you want it todo, you move on to the next one. Online seems that you really cant switch from one to another as that wager still applies for some stupid reason. I am not talking about bonus or 'money doubler' upon deposit. They just want you to play long enough because in their calculations that is where you start losing and they making profit.

So they make it, very difficult to make a quick one in a short period of time, and thus sticking the player into playing more. Trancemonkey is proberly going to make fun of me, but i play long enough to know that some vague stuff is going on at slots.

I deposit 20. I play > bonus > 30 > from that point it's just nothing back to 20. And again, a bonus. This time a little more less, 26, going back to 18, bonus, back at my deposit, questioning myself over here now, continue, back to 12, bonus, 17... and this repeats over and over again, untill my balance hits zero. My playing was a combination of slam stop and normal play, nothing out of the ordinary. It seems to me that it's very likely programmed and has nothing todo anymore with RNG. Constantly compensating on small wins to stick within the advertised RTP.

Is that fair? Is that genuine? Fuck no. Is it legal for a game provider? Proberly. A big hit out of nowhere is like you wagered a certain amount of money and from that point doing jack shit.
 
what a cherry picking post.
of course he can't answer every question ..this has been addressed numerous times. and theres a multitude of reasons:

intellectual property rights
NDAs
he isn't God ie he isnt familiar with amd cant speak for every slot out there ..just what his wealth of knowledge can provide and he can share.
and frankly he isn't obligated to keep answering your Qs

you'll never accept whatt he or anyone tells you so why regurgitate what you think (not know) and why continually ask iqs you ignore every intelligent response back out of hand because they don't fit your 'theories''?
 
it just feels like there is a slot rtp that you are battling x amount of spins to win x amount of dollars but beyond that is there a way they can put player must deposit x amount of dollars before player can withdraw x amount of dollars/ almost like an individual win loss statement. Does that make sense.
 
it just feels like there is a slot rtp that you are battling x amount of spins to win x amount of dollars but beyond that is there a way they can put player must deposit x amount of dollars before player can withdraw x amount of dollars/ almost like an individual win loss statement. Does that make sense.

I think this is a more profitable way then rather every player on his own.There is just no fun in a predefined, preconfigured game like this.

This means that a game will start hitting the moment you passed that threshold. I give you an example. The moment you hit a price start betting the lowest > max lines. And keep that up untill you hit deposited amount. In the meantime it will compensate here and there, keep you busy, but nothing serious. It starts working again when your back at your deposit level.

It's like your playing against a bot. Does'nt change when you up / lower your bet. It's very vague. Nothing random here, trancemonkey. These games are controlled.

what a cherry picking post.
of course he can't answer every question ..this has been addressed numerous times. and theres a multitude of reasons:

intellectual property rights
NDAs
he isn't God ie he isnt familiar with amd cant speak for every slot out there ..just what his wealth of knowledge can provide and he can share.
and frankly he isn't obligated to keep answering your Qs

Yeah and the info he states is pretty much clockwise to what players experience over here.

you'll never accept whatt he or anyone tells you so why regurgitate what you think (not know) and why continually ask iqs you ignore every intelligent response back out of hand because they don't fit your 'theories''?

Oh i tried to accept what he said... It's just that we encounter a different playground. I'm sure he's under confidential stuff that he cant express all that is happening.

But at least answer those who state genuine questions from who he is the only one able in here to answer. Wager vs win. How bout that. Nothing random but pre scripted. Is that some guarantee the player plays a certain amount of money first before coming into slot heaven? geezus.

What happens with one spin one jackpot ... Why do online casino's have to make things such difficult in order to play.

We are not monkeys only good for pressing buttons. We are in it to win. We know the risks. We dont like being cheated or fucked over in some way as this thread is all about. How bout that.
 
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I think this is a more profitable way then rather every player on his own.There is just no fun in a predefined, preconfigured game like this.

This means that a game will start hitting the moment you passed that threshold. I give you an example. The moment you hit a price start betting the lowest > max lines. And keep that up untill you hit deposited amount. In the meantime it will compensate here and there, keep you busy, but nothing serious. It starts working again when your back at your deposit level.

It's like your playing against a bot. Does'nt change when you up / lower your bet. It's very vague. Nothing random here, trancemonkey. These games are controlled.



Yeah and the info he states is pretty much clockwise to what players experience over here.



Oh i tried to accept what he said... It's just that we encounter a different playground. I'm sure he's under confidential stuff that he cant express all that is happening.

But at least answer those who state genuine questions from who he is the only one able in here to answer. Wager vs win. How bout that. Nothing random but pre scripted. Is that some guarantee the player plays a certain amount of money first before coming into slot heaven? geezus.

What happens with one spin one jackpot ... Why do online casino's have to make things such difficult in order to play.

We are not monkeys only good for pressing buttons. We are in it to win. We know the risks. We dont like being cheated or fucked over in some way as this thread is all about. How bout that.

what will he say "no its not like that" end of questions?? lol.

He came on here after 4 years and made a thread AMA right after there was thread after thread complaining about how the games are playing nowdays,damage control I would think,now he is here everyday after 4 years of nothing = ya ok its all good trace says so lol
 
what will he say "no its not like that" end of questions?? lol.

He came on here after 4 years and made a thread AMA right after there was thread after thread complaining about how the games are playing nowdays,damage control I would think,now he is here everyday after 4 years of nothing = ya ok its all good trace says so lol

Oh wow....
 
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there HAS ALWAYS been players here saying, ya its not like this, ya its rigged, ya its not random, because MY playing experience and theories (and NEVER MY knowledge of the facts) says no irrespective of how many IN the know say otherwise

just like no matter how many independent scientists say therwise and the facts presented, theres those scream the earth is flat, vampires and bigfeet really DO excist and evolution isnt real because...oh, i dont know....i say so, and ya, I've nothing to back it up, but well..because

but sure, hey, trance is wrong and newbies with no real knowledge beyong well "I" played and therefore..." are right

but they, choose who you want to beleive new people reading the thread:

A: those guys who work in the field or
B: those that dont, bemoan its all fixed and rigged but youll still see them playing these unfair games and continually put their money in regardless

hmm..let me think


here's an analogy.
you start pissing green.
for answers do you listen to
A the doctor who works in the medical field, understands anatomy and has had a practice for x years and went through medical school for x amount of years
B the guy who says well I've watched porn for x years and I've played with my own for x years
 
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We are not monkeys only good for pressing buttons. We are in it to win.

well there's at least one part of the problem.

any seasoned player with a lick of sense plays slots expecting to LOSE but HOPING to win.
we are just monkeys pressing buttons...it's random. it isn't something you can predict.
it's also why SO many players stick a slot on auto and go make dinner.
the only SKILL is knowing to spend what ypu can afford to lose and to hit the withdraw button
 
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what will he say "no its not like that" end of questions?? lol.

He came on here after 4 years and made a thread AMA right after there was thread after thread complaining about how the games are playing nowdays,damage control I would think,now he is here everyday after 4 years of nothing = ya ok its all good trace says so lol

Looking at his profession, i think it's good for him to stay in touch in where it all happens. This is the only forum offering such a large thread about online casino's and fairness. If he would be send here for damage control, then they would be actually cheaper off hiring a team of indian's yelling how fair slots are.

It's not the point about losing. The whole point being in here is how fair are online slots. Well from my, and others experience, who seem to have a reputation on this forum without just one post stating how unfair this shit is, it's questionable how some online casino or game operators function. Wager limit. No slot to be found that does NOT chew up your money after a huge win. The many, many dead spins all around the place. The small 'compensating' wins to get as close to 95% RTP but still lose money.

Then people state about math n such, that in theory you need roll an X amount of spins on X bet in order to get 'straight' or 'even' or however you want to call it. Look, i've bin coming at casino's for 4 years now, i am a VIP but i never experienced such BULLSHIT as online compared to landbased. Yes I can lose on landbased, and yes if i'm working it really good i can do 7 out of 10 times PROFIT, and i'm talking in the thousands of euro's, it's a game of disipline and know when to fucking leave.

Online is waayyyyy more difficult. The games that are shared among landbased and online is where the online one's are knockoffs from the landbased version. Who makes up the 20 lines online vs 40 lines landbased? Or who makes the rheels appear much more different then compared to the original game? Apart from that, you can believe that i wont listen to people here n shit, personally i dont care. I go by what i see, experience and put it to the test about simply putting in 20, play as low as possible, and watch the wager and all others sorts of trick do their role. Or the bonusses with absolutely nothing then just some wager as a outcome.

Because that is just NOT RANDOM. Did a landbased casino ever showed me this? No. I had some weird occasions tho, that i had the feeling to be compensated. I lost 1500, upon last spin boom back to 1500. And not just one time but a few times by now. Does that make the casino cheat? Proberly not. I have no explanation for what is sometimes going on. Or that i am the only one betting BIGTIME in a 10 slots block, lose and everyone in the same block starts winning, that sort of weird stuff.

You see Trancemonkey is not telling us all. All these slots are linked, and programmed in such a way, they'd never make LOSS for the game providers OR casino's. It's protected. I can see the lag when i press slam-stop, that the rheels are just not landing on where it's supposed, proberly communicating with homebase, and present a different outcome. If you play certain games long enough you'll know at some point the way the game is going to behave. Ask any slot player inside here.

Why do i keep playing? I really regret firing up my online account again. Because since then it's returning back to this thread reading everyone's opinion but not any concrete information on what is happening. I believe serversided gaming is the culprit in this. And the tools game-providers / casino's have into luring players into your own doom. By any numbers any online casino is technically within bounds of RTP. But the amount of compensation going on it's ridiculous that you hardly get ahead.

So perhaps, maybe slot designers should go back to the drawing board, and make games, real games again that are worked out, and not with a dozen of tricks into keeping players playing. Because this difficulty is not even fun anymore. You could state that a players ID or players card is able to track you and your data, and in USA even is used for your tax reports. Get a sheet of your wins vs losses.

This big data, is what concerns me into slots, and having some sort of AI using your players behaviour against you. Trancemonkey does not tell us wether game providers (the ones that HOST these games) are using AI or some sort of stuff. They have their security build into games. Slam stop long enough and you'll know what i am talking about. I'm sure there's a feature build into slam stops as well to give you the idea that slam stopping actually would work, while it's not.

I dont understand why having a 11500k balance, does NOTHING in terms of wins on any slot online. This really makes me believe that either game provider or casino simply limits your players-id for some appearent reason. You need to wager. Geezus. My best streak was 17k CASH in landbased in just 2 hours. This is the action i cannot seem to find in online slots.

I'm sure that at some point, this big data is being applied or already is, esp into online casino's. It's shifted from gambling to entertainment. The target is the player.

well there's at least one part of the problem.

any seasoned player with a lick of sense plays slots expecting to LOSE but HOPING to win.
we are just monkeys pressing buttons...it's random. it isn't something you can predict.
it's also why SO many players stick a slot on auto and go make dinner.
the only SKILL is knowing to spend what ypu can afford to lose and to hit the withdraw button

Duh. You have to tell me something. Why is it that online casino's base their RTP on BETS vs WINS and not DEPOSIT vs WITHDRAWL. Any gambler in the world would go for DEPOSIT vs WITHDRAWL and what the actual wins or losses are. Now if we measure those numbers, do you ever come across that 95 ~ 97% RTP?

Please go back into your deposit history (online) and let me know if you actually have a profit. Like, over the last 6 months, 12 months, or whatever. Does that relate to 95% ~ 97% ? Or are we talking about lower numbers here? If you are, then you are one of the few % that came ahead and proberly quit while you where at it.

Do i get ahead on landbased? Yes. But that's due to that i won a brand new car and a traveling cheque of 7500 that i can spend in a few traveling agency's within a year. And i like the entertainment, known faces and such.

Sort of say; the payout is simply NOT even close to what it is landbased. You can throw all the numbers and maths you want; at the end of the day it's all about the money you put in and the money you get out. The difficulty online is just scam.
 
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what will he say "no its not like that" end of questions?? lol.

He came on here after 4 years and made a thread AMA right after there was thread after thread complaining about how the games are playing nowdays,damage control I would think,now he is here everyday after 4 years of nothing = ya ok its all good trace says so lol

this is about the most far out theories I've seen posted here..and theres been some doozies.
damage control of what? he doesn't get paid to post and if you though t he was..by whom? he hasn't endorsed any casino or slot or any slot developer.
do you think there's some slots cabal out there in some secret mountain fortress containing members from every major developer trying to get players to play online and convince everyone it's fair?
 
well there's at least one part of the problem.

any seasoned player with a lick of sense plays slots expecting to LOSE but HOPING to win.
we are just monkeys pressing buttons...it's random. it isn't something you can predict.
it's also why SO many players stick a slot on auto and go make dinner.
the only SKILL is knowing to spend what ypu can afford to lose and to hit the withdraw button

how is been able to control the rtp random.I would think that's anything but random, controlling the spins and payout
 
good lord have ypu listened to nothing or read ANY threads?
re: I can see the lag when i press slam-stop, that the rheels are just not landing on where it's supposed, proberly communicating with homebase

slam stop does SHIT except for showing the result QUICKER and eat your playtime QUICKER. It in NO way alters the outcome of the spin..that was already determined when you hit spin .
If you want to spout out your 'knowledge' of slots at least have a grasp of the basics.
 
this is about the most far out theories I've seen posted here..and theres been some doozies.
damage control of what? he doesn't get paid to post and if you though t he was..by whom? he hasn't endorsed any casino or slot or any slot developer.
do you think there's some slots cabal out there in some secret mountain fortress containing members from every major developer trying to get players to play online and convince everyone it's fair?

ya no reason in the world why he would not want the casino gaming world to dry up
 
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how is been able to control the rtp random.I would think that's anything but random, controlling the spins and payout

You are looking at server based gaming. It's not the game that decides the outcome but a 'server'. Various games are hooked on it and some RNG within that server decides who gets it and who's not. There's advantage (for the casino, duh) but disadvantage for players as well. This explains the wall you are reffering to. Server sided gaming comes back from 2005 already, and is being implemented on both land & online casino's.

This explains, when i am playing at a block of lets say 10 machines, i am the only one betting 20 up to 40 a spin, lose, and the rest miracles wins one after another. It's like my loss was being distributed among the rest of the machines on that same block.

good lord have ypu listened to nothing or read ANY threads?
re: I can see the lag when i press slam-stop, that the rheels are just not landing on where it's supposed, proberly communicating with homebase

slam stop does SHIT except for showing the result QUICKER and eat your playtime QUICKER. It in NO way alters the outcome of the spin..that was already determined when you hit spin .
If you want to spout out your 'knowledge' of slots at least have a grasp of the basics.



Please watch from spin 3. Thank you. If i did not press that button the outcome, would be different then when i slam stopped. Yours and others problem is that some games are actually designed that they contain another game in a game. I have 3 other video's where i do exactly the same. Hit at the right moment. Please come with me some day if you dont believe me. Geezus.

Those knockoff games they offer online wont even come close to the quality of a real machine.



I am not an idiot. I know what i put into a machine and i know in some matter what to expect. Generally i walk away from landbased with 7 out of 10 times profit.
 
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Thank you. If i did not press that button the outcome, would be different then when i


it would have been the EXACT SAME result had you hit slam stop or not.
You've got magical powers that let ypu travel back in time and show a different outcome if you hadnt otherwise?
 
I just did $5000 at $30 a spin and $500 at $3 a spin guess what payed better,can do this time after time after time,about as random as a new player hitting jackpot for millions on his second spin at new site everytime we see it hit,OMG i never played before seen a ad and signed up lol yep seems legit
 
for any new players visiting there are literally THOUSANDS of pages out there explaining slam stop by the experts along with here in CM itself.
It's a great dream to beleive you control the outcome of a spin. it just doesn't work that way. Google is your friend

essentially...
you hit spin
the RNG generates a result
the result is displayed.
you can either slowly watch that result display across the reels
or you can hit slam stop displaying the result quicker
same result either way...
that result has already been determined..it merely depends how quickly you'd like to see it
 
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it would have been the EXACT SAME result had you hit slam stop or not.
You've got magical powers that let ypu travel back in time and show a different outcome if you hadnt otherwise?

Those rheels started before i pressed that button. There is no way the outcome would be exactly the same as from where it started and from where i pressed. It still had to finish it's complete spin, and yet i stop it at the right moment.



Spin 7. That rheel came down before i pressed. How is that predetermined? ass.

Playing online does'nt give me that 'instinct' when to press.

for any new players visiting there are literally THOUSANDS of pages out there explaining slam stop by the experts along with here in CM itself.
It's a great dream to beleive you control the outcome of a spin. it just doesn't work that way. Google is your friend

Ok so you believe that the way online things work they apply to landbased? Here's your problem man. You (and others) dont seem to understand that the original game, offers a game within. And that my pressing the button is a already determined outcome. Please relook the previous video again and again and again, and tell me that the rheels where landing exactly when they where slam stopped. And not because of a predetermined outcome, lol.

You guys are funny. I'd really like to see Trancemonkey calculate the odds for me when playing a 96% slot with 20 lines, or a 85% slot with 40 lines. How often does a 20 line 'hit' and how often does a 40 line machine hit?

What does this come down to in real deposit vs win and not bets vs win. I'm sure the odds of a landbased casino IS better. You have 50% more playing field into a game.

Online games are gimped, handicapped, bent into the favour of a casino. Think about that. Yes you can play 20 lines in a landbased casino as well. Does that make your odds any better? Not when it hits fullscreen. Your missing 20 lines here.

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Really, watch this guy, he really could learn you something, and that is knowing your slot. Skip the sugarcoat story's. That's all you need to know.
 
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I don't buy the slam stop theory. Tried it once and now my monitor's mashed, not to mention some keys popping out of the keyboarrrrrdgrfrdfhdhgf

You seem to forget that slots in the first place came from a independent RNG within that game. And is moved over to server sided gaming.

I think they do allow a % tolerance for slam stop. I've seen the tricks by now by playing online.
 
You seem to forget that slots in the first place came from a independent RNG within that game. And is moved over to server sided gaming.

I think they do allow a % tolerance for slam stop. I've seen the tricks by now by playing online.
I forget a lot of things now. I am almost 40 you know
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