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Bogus Complaint Slot Addict AKA Feeder vs Rizkmas Raffle

Oh totally agree the way the OP well both the OP's lol went about this was farcical to say the least, but there is no way anyone can deny the points he raised are actually very valid and not really dealt with in the correct manner as a lot of other posters questions where kind of not answered either. Not defending the conduct how he/she's done this as it's clearly underhand, that said though still doesn't warrant it not been dealt with correctly by the streamer or the casino :-)

It may be true but the problem is you wont have very many people bothering to help or care when you go about it like a complete idiot and piss everyone off.
 
Talk of going in circles. Let's put this to bed. I will try to explain this from the legal point of view.

Compare it to Jaffa Cakes in your Tesco's supermarket. Tesco tells you if you buy 5 packs you will be entered into a live JAFFA (Rizk) prize draw, NOT a TESCO (NickSlots) prize draw. Hence, Tesco is only the intermediary agent and Jaffa is the promoter.

Suddenly, 1Mio people buy 5 packs of Jaffa Cakes making it difficult to do it all live. So they alter slightly the selection process which is still random but they don't change the prizes promised in the draw. To be able to do that they have a clause in their T&C's saying: "We may, in our absolute discretion, alter or amend any product offered via the Website at any time."

Ergo, nothing wrong has been done as the OP or some suggested. The only thing, but that is also covered in the T&C with "in our absolute discretion", is making the information widely available. But according to "interlog" even that was done live on the stream by NickSlots.

So where the h*ll can you see a mistake here?? There is none!!! Basta. :D
 
He did actually bring up some valid points though.

I can't believe some people on here are so defensive about some things that are plainly wrong.

Someone actually said, its Rizks promo so if they want to change it then thats up to them, I'm sorry but WTF? No they can't. Thats a clear breach of rules and guidelines, and is ridiculous to suggest that can be done.

If a streamer, casino or anyone else said, sign up and if you lose £1000+ we will refund you, in full, in cash, and had the promo running for a month, then the day it was due to end said, oh, we've had more people than we thought take part, we will give you a tenner instead, would people think that was ok? As that would be doing exactly whats happened here, changing the terms at the end of the promo.

Casino's and their affiliates need to be extremely careful in running promo's, this streamer is based in the UK, and is therefore subject to the gambling act. This is a lottery (legally speaking) and he should have a gaming license to run it, I did ask if he was running it under Rizk's licence, but wasn't replied to.

If I was affected by this, and felt strongly about it I would complain to the UKGC about both the streamer and Rizk, so as to get some answers, and find out if there were any wrongdoings. I'm not though so I won't be.

Rizk should however, at least, if asked, show that the initial draw was carried out fairly, and those who had made multiple deposits did in fact have multiple chances to win. Did any one person have more than one entry in the final 50? If some people had 10+ tickets, as is possible, I would find it hard to believe no one had more than one make it to the final 50, and in fact an earlier post seemed to confirm that it was single entries for the final 50.

This is probably a legit promo that was badly ran, but thats what you get when you allow some foul mouthed chav to run a competition for a casino, and considering his attitude towards the customers, Iif I were Rizk I would distance myself from him completely!

No one here is trying to sweep anything under the carpet !!

To answer the above as best that i can:

Firstly, this was not a lottery - that is entirely different and you pay money into a pool which is then divided out by some means. This was a Free Prize Draw that we tried to help Nick create - very much like a "spend £50 on shopping this week at your local supermarket and get entered into a free prize draw for X,Y or Z". As such there is no licence required.

Secondly, every single player that did qualify, in this case by purchasing gambling services, was entered into a draw and randomly selected and therefore everyone had exactly the same chance of winning as everyone else. Yes, we did this on behalf of Nick as we held the data. We still have and hold the data and the draw and the results.

Had we just randomly selected the winners electronically and posted the result then I doubt that we would be here discussing this now but we resolved to put 50 of the original tickets into a live draw for Nick to do on his stream as we believed that this would be more transparent - clearly this was a mistake. However I must reiterate every single ticket had an equal chance of winning.
 
I don't get it I google it and I still don't get it help me. :Read:

On another note when I used to watch Nick on twitch maybe 4 months back can't really remember exactly the point I was turned off, when I login to Risk I had Nick Slots Icon on the homepage off the casino even though I was a member before he probably even took up twitch or I noticed, I'm sure I signed up threw Casino Meister and got the special SUB.

I had an other issue with the casino at the time small moan on my behalf about deposit based free spins I threw in the above point don't think I got a reply to why it was.

The question is how can Risk Casino link me to Nick Slots unless they are using some kind off tracking software and are both parties in on it or just one?

I found the email sent on: 14/10/2016 12:47:15 GMT Standard Time

"When I logon to the casino I'm confronted with a Nick slots logo I didn't sign up threw his banner.

Your deposit based promotions at the moment are not very inviting.

I know there is no wagering attached to free spins that you give away.

These are deposit based free spins that have a terms and conditions link next to them but know where from that link is there any information that is linked to that promotion.

So by claiming them you would have absolutely no information at all regarding the terms and conditions for using them, you would just know that there are terms and conditions because there is a terms and conditions link attached to them.

Considering that most if not all your free spins are wager free and have no conditions attached why have you run a miss leading promotion?

Could start by telling the player which slot or slots they were on. Considering some slots have only 1 or 5 pay lines, we are still living in a world where casinos trick players by not using maximum lines and offering just a few for a promotion that was not included in the terms and conditions."

I just want to edit and add that I have never signed up to a casino threw twitch before 100% certain I would know such an instance.

Hi Lookaway - i am not sure that i understand this, the Nick slots part in particular. maybe you can PM me with some more detail and your e-mail address and i will certainly look into it for you.

With regard to the deposit free spins promo, are you referring to a mail that we sent you? If so could you also let me know when - i can then track it back and look at the mail itself to see where the problem was
 
This whole thing reminds me of a law and order episode, it had just the right amount of twist to build suspense with a strong finish leaving you eager for the next episode.
 
This whole thing reminds me of a law and order episode, it had just the right amount of twist to build suspense with a strong finish leaving you eager for the next episode.

No really, i think im on to something here. If each PAB case was an 1 hour episode that had to be investigated like this it would make riveting viewing. Even if its not that good sure beats the shit out of watching someone else play slots.
 
Hi Lookaway - i am not sure that i understand this, the Nick slots part in particular. maybe you can PM me with some more detail and your e-mail address and i will certainly look into it for you.

With regard to the deposit free spins promo, are you referring to a mail that we sent you? If so could you also let me know when - i can then track it back and look at the mail itself to see where the problem was

No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members. :)

Fees out :p
 
It does make you wonder,

What is more than likely happen is Nicklslots has a landing page on Rizk website and your browser has stored that page somewhere along the line if you managed to click it from somewhere. , Even when delete browsing etc then that might not stop it, You will have extra settings for search facility somewhere on your browser.

Why does it even have to be a special landing page about him? Last thing you want if you do not like somthing is that in your face every time.

Also I agree, Sometimes PM can be sorted quicker but why? If every thing was PM there will be no forums, I always thought that what forums are about and that is to talk about things and have a debate, Its a different matter if email was a log in or wanted I.D to be hidden from members but most reps have our names ect from number of comps

No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members. :)

Fees out :p
 
10+ pages of drama all come down to certain people not understanding math.

If you put 500 names in a hat and pick 1 winner then the odds of any one name winning are 1 in 500.
If you put 500 names in a hat and pick out 50, put those 50 in another hat and then pick 1 winner the odds of any one name winning are still exactly 1 in 500.
 
No really, i think im on to something here. If each PAB case was an 1 hour episode that had to be investigated like this it would make riveting viewing. Even if its not that good sure beats the shit out of watching someone else play slots.

 
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10+ pages of drama all come down to certain people not understanding math.

If you put 500 names in a hat and pick 1 winner then the odds of any one name winning are 1 in 500.
If you put 500 names in a hat and pick out 50, put those 50 in another hat and then pick 1 winner the odds of any one name winning are still exactly 1 in 500.

And that is the crux of the matter. Nothing else really to say.
 
No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members. :)

Fees out :p

If you already had a Rizk account but then visited Rizk via a link on Nicks site with a clean browser then that link directed to you to a Nickslots specific landing page. This does not mean that your account is linked, it will just be the link that you may have used to get to Rizk at one point.
 
I don't get it I google it and I still don't get it help me. :Read:

On another note when I used to watch Nick on twitch maybe 4 months back can't really remember exactly the point I was turned off, when I login to Risk I had Nick Slots Icon on the homepage off the casino even though I was a member before he probably even took up twitch or I noticed, I'm sure I signed up threw Casino Meister and got the special SUB.

I had an other issue with the casino at the time small moan on my behalf about deposit based free spins I threw in the above point don't think I got a reply to why it was.

The question is how can Risk Casino link me to Nick Slots unless they are using some kind off tracking software and are both parties in on it or just one?

I found the email sent on: 14/10/2016 12:47:15 GMT Standard Time

"When I logon to the casino I'm confronted with a Nick slots logo I didn't sign up threw his banner.

Your deposit based promotions at the moment are not very inviting.

I know there is no wagering attached to free spins that you give away.

These are deposit based free spins that have a terms and conditions link next to them but know where from that link is there any information that is linked to that promotion.

So by claiming them you would have absolutely no information at all regarding the terms and conditions for using them, you would just know that there are terms and conditions because there is a terms and conditions link attached to them.

Considering that most if not all your free spins are wager free and have no conditions attached why have you run a miss leading promotion?

Could start by telling the player which slot or slots they were on. Considering some slots have only 1 or 5 pay lines, we are still living in a world where casinos trick players by not using maximum lines and offering just a few for a promotion that was not included in the terms and conditions."

I just want to edit and add that I have never signed up to a casino threw twitch before 100% certain I would know such an instance.


Thats strange and if you are sure you signed up through casinomeister then he should be the affiliate getting credited for your play and not Nick :confused:
 
Is it me, or even since this 'streaming' bollocks has become popular, the number of flaming and downright cantankerous threads has increased?

Be like me, the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!) :eek: :cool:
 
the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!) :eek: :cool:



haha.webp
 
Is it me, or even since this 'streaming' bollocks has become popular, the number of flaming and downright cantankerous threads has increased?

Be like me, the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!) :eek: :cool:

Im sure we will have another streaming/twitch drama next week :rolleyes:
 
Considering Twitch is mainly for streaming video games, and as such will have a high proportion of under 18's on the site.

How responsible is it of casinos and affiliates, to be promoting gambling products (very actively and in some cases, aggressively) to a vulnerable audience on non-age-restricted sites like this?

I wonder how many of these under 18's have watched gambling streams, and signed up to casinos?
A lot of them will have access to a debit card, prepaid cards, bank transfers etc, or even worse their parents cards.
I would only be at the withdrawal and verification stage, that it would come to light.

I can see this all turning very nasty in the future
 
Twitch did a temporary ban 9-12 months or so back on slotting etc, something I feel will become more permanent in the not too distant future for the very reasons you suggest!

Would be a shame as I feel the positives far out weigh the negatives.

A simple 'forced' account creation with mandatory KYC type verification could nullify this potential problem.
 
Considering Twitch is mainly for streaming video games, and as such will have a high proportion of under 18's on the site.

How responsible is it of casinos and affiliates, to be promoting gambling products (very actively and in some cases, aggressively) to a vulnerable audience on non-age-restricted sites like this?

I wonder how many of these under 18's have watched gambling streams, and signed up to casinos?
A lot of them will have access to a debit card, prepaid cards, bank transfers etc, or even worse their parents cards.
I would only be at the withdrawal and verification stage, that it would come to light.

I can see this all turning very nasty in the future


Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..? :confused:
This just because they failed to read T&C :rolleyes:
 
Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..? :confused:
This just because they failed to read T&C :rolleyes:

There is a few problems with that,

1, I think its up to the streamer to have that (18+) Should be mandatory for all gambling, But alot of computer games are 16 - 18 +
2nd does it matter if there is a yes I am 18? Which young kid will that stop,

I really do not know why people get up tight when subjects like this get bought up :eek: It is to do with gambling isn't it ? and a forum is a place to come and have discussions,

Yes if it was about a computer game streamer than yes I see why people would not want to know about whats going on.

Edit::: If people do not like the discussion than do what alot of others say and do not read, Or unsub from the thread. To some people things like this are interesting, What works for one may doesn't for the other and visa versa
 
Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..? :confused:
This just because they failed to read T&C :rolleyes:

Clicking to say you're over 18 isn't going to stop anyone. I'm pretty sure there aren't any checks done.

I'm not saying it's the casino or affiliates fault, directly, if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc. But the way they aggressively promote their services, with all the affiliate links, giveaways, raffles, and some guy winning 100's if not 1000's playing slots. it's going to be a hell of a lot more tempting to a 16 year old, than just stumbling over a casino site or affiliates site online. or even seeing a winning bonus round on youtube

If a drug dealer was stood outside a school gate, giving away free samples to kids. would it be the dealers responsibility or the kids fault for not reading up on the dangers of drugs before accepting
 
Talk of going in circles. Let's put this to bed. I will try to explain this from the legal point of view.

Compare it to Jaffa Cakes in your Tesco's supermarket. Tesco tells you if you buy 5 packs you will be entered into a live JAFFA (Rizk) prize draw, NOT a TESCO (NickSlots) prize draw. Hence, Tesco is only the intermediary agent and Jaffa is the promoter.

Suddenly, 1Mio people buy 5 packs of Jaffa Cakes making it difficult to do it all live. So they alter slightly the selection process which is still random but they don't change the prizes promised in the draw. To be able to do that they have a clause in their T&C's saying: "We may, in our absolute discretion, alter or amend any product offered via the Website at any time."

Ergo, nothing wrong has been done as the OP or some suggested. The only thing, but that is also covered in the T&C with "in our absolute discretion", is making the information widely available. But according to "interlog" even that was done live on the stream by NickSlots.

So where the h*ll can you see a mistake here?? There is none!!! Basta. :D

Its quite simple, that would never happen, and in a prize draw like that you ALWAYS see 'no purchase necessary', and usually says you can enter by sending your entry by post without buying anything. The reason for this is to ensure they don't require a gambling license to run the draw.

This was not a free prize draw, a purchase was necessary and there was no free entry route therefore is classed as a lottery under the gambling act 2005.

A term saying they can change things ant any time doesn't apply to products like this, a companies terms and conditions do not over ride the law.

No one here is trying to sweep anything under the carpet !!

To answer the above as best that i can:

Firstly, this was not a lottery - that is entirely different and you pay money into a pool which is then divided out by some means. This was a Free Prize Draw that we tried to help Nick create - very much like a "spend £50 on shopping this week at your local supermarket and get entered into a free prize draw for X,Y or Z". As such there is no licence required.

Secondly, every single player that did qualify, in this case by purchasing gambling services, was entered into a draw and randomly selected and therefore everyone had exactly the same chance of winning as everyone else. Yes, we did this on behalf of Nick as we held the data. We still have and hold the data and the draw and the results.

ok, see you have contradicted yourself there straight away. You say it was a free prize draw, but then in the next paragraph clearly state to enter you had to purchase gambling services. Therefore it wasn't a free to enter prize draw was it, and as such, under the Gambling Act, is clearly classed as a lottery.

The simple test is, if someone did not make a deposit could they get a ticket to the draw? If yes then it was a prize draw and not covered by the act, if no then it is a lottery and covered by the act.

A lottery has three essential elements:

1 Payment is required to participate
2 One or more prizes are awarded
3 Those prizes are awarded by chance

Which of those did this not have?

Had we just randomly selected the winners electronically and posted the result then I doubt that we would be here discussing this now but we resolved to put 50 of the original tickets into a live draw for Nick to do on his stream as we believed that this would be more transparent - clearly this was a mistake. However I must reiterate every single ticket had an equal chance of winning.

So did anyone get more than one entry to the final 50 draw? Like if someone had 5 tickets were they all entered in the initial draw or was it one per person?

Bit more on legal definitions

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If a competition does not satisfy the skill requirement, it will be a lottery unless either no payment is required to participate in the competition (whether this is to enter the competition, or to find out if you have won, or to collect a prize) or there is an alternative free entry route. It is irrelevant whether the payment benefits the person running the competition or someone else, e.g. a telecoms company providing the premium-rate telephone number used to participate in the competition.

As I have already said, I have no doubt the competition was fair, and was conducted completely above board, possibly with a few mistakes, but nevertheless nothing underhand. At the end of it its not as if you didn't pay the prize or anything, so can personally see no point whatsoever in cheating, which is what I think the person who brought this up was implying. However if you run a competition, of any sort, when someone asks for clarification that it was ran fairly, telling them to fuck off, calling them a sad loser and all the rest isn't what I would call acceptable. Obviously you do, so we have different viewpoints on how to treat customers. Thats fair enough.

Just to reiterate though - I personally don't think there was anything underhand went on, people won and if it were from the main draw or not it doesn't really matter, it probably shouldn't have been done like it was, but I can't see how anyone was disadvantaged by it.
 
Its quite simple, that would never happen, and in a prize draw like that you ALWAYS see 'no purchase necessary', and usually says you can enter by sending your entry by post without buying anything. The reason for this is to ensure they don't require a gambling license to run the draw.

This was not a free prize draw, a purchase was necessary and there was no free entry route therefore is classed as a lottery under the gambling act 2005.

A term saying they can change things ant any time doesn't apply to products like this, a companies terms and conditions do not over ride the law.



ok, see you have contradicted yourself there straight away. You say it was a free prize draw, but then in the next paragraph clearly state to enter you had to purchase gambling services. Therefore it wasn't a free to enter prize draw was it, and as such, under the Gambling Act, is clearly classed as a lottery.

The simple test is, if someone did not make a deposit could they get a ticket to the draw? If yes then it was a prize draw and not covered by the act, if no then it is a lottery and covered by the act.

A lottery has three essential elements:

1 Payment is required to participate
2 One or more prizes are awarded
3 Those prizes are awarded by chance

Which of those did this not have?



So did anyone get more than one entry to the final 50 draw? Like if someone had 5 tickets were they all entered in the initial draw or was it one per person?

Bit more on legal definitions

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If a competition does not satisfy the skill requirement, it will be a lottery unless either no payment is required to participate in the competition (whether this is to enter the competition, or to find out if you have won, or to collect a prize) or there is an alternative free entry route. It is irrelevant whether the payment benefits the person running the competition or someone else, e.g. a telecoms company providing the premium-rate telephone number used to participate in the competition.

As I have already said, I have no doubt the competition was fair, and was conducted completely above board, possibly with a few mistakes, but nevertheless nothing underhand. At the end of it its not as if you didn't pay the prize or anything, so can personally see no point whatsoever in cheating, which is what I think the person who brought this up was implying. However if you run a competition, of any sort, when someone asks for clarification that it was ran fairly, telling them to fuck off, calling them a sad loser and all the rest isn't what I would call acceptable. Obviously you do, so we have different viewpoints on how to treat customers. Thats fair enough.

Just to reiterate though - I personally don't think there was anything underhand went on, people won and if it were from the main draw or not it doesn't really matter, it probably shouldn't have been done like it was, but I can't see how anyone was disadvantaged by it.
Hear hear!! Fantastic post. It's not the fact of the legitimacy of the draw, with a large casino that is not in question, it's the manner in the whole pathetic affair was dealt with that's caused people issue. It to anyone is looked upon as nothing but a poorly organised farce. Hardly looks good for the streamer nor the casino. Although the original OP made a mockery and a total cock up of trying to address the issues he had in the terrible and rather underhand way he did,what good has came out of this is a open discussion in a forum that is exactly here to provide that, online casino discussion,a lot of valid points where made on both sides of the coin, the casino was actively involved and it also provoked some questions on the manner in how streamers conduct themselfs and the morales and general manners required to be on a public platform. I personally never watch any of them anymore, this being a huge reason, the other is that 3 weeks out of 4 I work a month I'm usually out of the country. Also the majority of clientele that a streamer gets without being snobby are the non working who have however many free hours a day to watch a moron beg for cash and gamble like it's going out of fashion.
 
Is it me, or even since this 'streaming' bollocks has become popular, the number of flaming and downright cantankerous threads has increased?...

LOL - it reminds me of the time when there were a bunch of "ezy boards" out there that were always getting into hissy fits with one another. (circa 2000 - 2008 or so). And these bitchy brawls would spill over to this place. This is one of the main reasons I created forum rule 1.8 - No portal wars.
 
LOL - it reminds me of the time when there were a bunch of "ezy boards" out there that were always getting into hissy fits with one another. (circa 2000 - 2008 or so). And these bitchy brawls would spill over to this place. This is one of the main reasons I created forum rule 1.8 - No portal wars.
Could you explain the portal wars rule please? As from what I understand it'd fit rather nicely into this thread, as if you follow,have followed (which I doubt you do lol) the twitch/YouTube streamer gambling community, it's definitely not one you would like on here. It's clearly dumb down and devalue any thread on here. The points or some of them raised upon this silly little argument are very valid granted, but a punter agreeved over a twitch raffle is rather silly, should the original OP really wanted to have this addressed, as we all know casinomeister had the tools at his disposal to do it properly. I do think enough time and publicity has been given to slot grinder and feeder and nick or whoever they may be as it is.
 
Could you explain the portal wars rule please? As from what I understand it'd fit rather nicely into this thread, as if you follow,have followed (which I doubt you do lol) the twitch/YouTube streamer gambling community, it's definitely not one you would like on here. It's clearly dumb down and devalue any thread on here. The points or some of them raised upon this silly little argument are very valid granted, but a punter agreeved over a twitch raffle is rather silly, should the original OP really wanted to have this addressed, as we all know casinomeister had the tools at his disposal to do it properly. I do think enough time and publicity has been given to slot grinder and feeder and nick or whoever they may be as it is.

A portal war is CM members whom are advocates or participants of rival or alternative forums (or other mediums of discussion like Twitch subscribers) bringing their petty squabbles, flaming and trolling onto CM. :(
 
Hear hear!! Fantastic post. It's not the fact of the legitimacy of the draw, with a large casino that is not in question, it's the manner in the whole pathetic affair was dealt with that's caused people issue. It to anyone is looked upon as nothing but a poorly organised farce. Hardly looks good for the streamer nor the casino. Although the original OP made a mockery and a total cock up of trying to address the issues he had in the terrible and rather underhand way he did,what good has came out of this is a open discussion in a forum that is exactly here to provide that, online casino discussion,a lot of valid points where made on both sides of the coin, the casino was actively involved and it also provoked some questions on the manner in how streamers conduct themselfs and the morales and general manners required to be on a public platform. I personally never watch any of them anymore, this being a huge reason, the other is that 3 weeks out of 4 I work a month I'm usually out of the country. Also the majority of clientele that a streamer gets without being snobby are the non working who have however many free hours a day to watch a moron beg for cash and gamble like it's going out of fashion.

How insulting not only to streamers but also the viewers . It obviously nver occurred to you that people watch from different time zones and what may be your working hours are their evening after work hours.
 
How insulting not only to streamers but also the viewers . It obviously nver occurred to you that people watch from different time zones and what may be your working hours are their evening after work hours.

As was previously mentioned by another poster your opinion is one sided due to casino grounds. So you can't hold a unbiased opinion like the rest of us. And what exactly is insulting?.. the majority of people watching are the ones who enter the free raffles then leave straight after, look at YouTube chat for instance on these streams, that's not slot fans is it?.. the only streamers worth a watch if I ever have the time are Paul and the bandit. Decent people with no agenda. No donations may I add. Furthermore I don't think this is the place to set aside opinions over streaming or streamers..it's a serious online casino site, a place for real players or fans of online slots, not a place to promote a streamers parasitic ways.
 
As was previously mentioned by another poster your opinion is one sided due to casino grounds. So you can't hold a unbiased opinion like the rest of us. And what exactly is insulting?.. the majority of people watching are the ones who enter the free raffles then leave straight after, look at YouTube chat for instance on these streams, that's not slot fans is it?.. the only streamers worth a watch if I ever have the time are Paul and the bandit. Decent people with no agenda. No donations may I add. Furthermore I don't think this is the place to set aside opinions over streaming or streamers..it's a serious online casino site, a place for real players or fans of online slots, not a place to promote a streamers parasitic ways.

Furthermore is this not classed as a 'portal war' as you have a confirmed vested intrest in casino grounds, which I may add nick is involved??.. may i also add anyone who has had a opinion against him or paul you have commented on a negative vibe?.. I could say a lot about nick, and as to quote the great David starkey 'I have emails' in relation to that silly little Laurie penny, but I won't. Reason being there's nicer and more moral people on this forum who have helped me in the past, rather than me waste any small reputation I may ever of had here arguing with a 'streamer' and his stooges. End of
 
As was previously mentioned by another poster your opinion is one sided due to casino grounds. So you can't hold a unbiased opinion like the rest of us. And what exactly is insulting?.. the majority of people watching are the ones who enter the free raffles then leave straight after, look at YouTube chat for instance on these streams, that's not slot fans is it?.. the only streamers worth a watch if I ever have the time are Paul and the bandit. Decent people with no agenda. No donations may I add. Furthermore I don't think this is the place to set aside opinions over streaming or streamers..it's a serious online casino site, a place for real players or fans of online slots, not a place to promote a streamers parasitic ways.

I am a member here such as you. I contributed here long before I started to stream my play so I am certainly not biased and I am a real player as much as the next person reading this. So I will continue here whether that pleases you or not.

People may well watch streams for the free spins and raffles. Maybe they watch The Bandit because of the giveaways too? Does that make him a parasite because he gets more affiliate money because of it? Who cares, but I would not make the statement like you did that they (the viewers) are out of work.
 
I am a member here such as you. I contributed here long before I started to stream my play so I am certainly not biased and I am a real player as much as the next person reading this. So I will continue here whether that pleases you or not.

People may well watch streams for the free spins and raffles. Maybe they watch The Bandit because of the giveaways too? Does that make him a parasite because he gets more affiliate money because of it? Who cares, but I would not make the statement like you did that they are out of work.

No but you never hear nor do you see the bandit comment insulting his viewers, being down right arrogant or lying. Look at the bandits subs, there public on twitch also YouTube. And it's not about pleasing me, as I really couldn't give a hoot for a streamer protecting his investment, that's down to you. I merely have a opinon that is all. Whether u like it or not is irrelevant. As previously said, is rather not do this here as it's well below casinomeister.
 
No but you never hear nor do you see the bandit comment insulting his viewers, being down right arrogant or lying. Look at the bandits subs, there public on twitch also YouTube. And it's not about pleasing me, as I really couldn't give a hoot for a streamer protecting his investment, that's down to you. I merely have a opinon that is all. Whether u like it or not is irrelevant. As previously said, is rather not do this here as it's well below casinomeister.

No you don't because his material is one way rather than live where you the streamer at times get insulted so you react to that (rightly or wrongly).

As for protecting my investment. I wouldn't be able to put bread on the table from my affiliate commission if that was my source of income. There are months where I get sod all.

Stop tarring all streamers with the same brush because you don't like one or two of them.
 
No you don't because his material is one way rather than live where you the streamer at times get insulted so you react to that (rightly or wrongly).

As for protecting my investment. I wouldn't be able to put bread on the table from my affiliate commission if that was my source of income. There are months where I get sod all.

Stop tarring all streamers with the same brush because you don't like one or two of them.

Excuse me . But I've never called nor attacked you once. I've no idea who you are. Nor will I ever will have. You do what you do to put bread on the table. I prefer to earn taxes and provide for my own through hard work and qualifications rather than prey on those who may join through a link. Look I'm not getting into this anymore, as said many times previous. Streaming is a invidious topic on casinomeister and unless there's a case to bring it up, well let's not. I've been honest and polite. I've had my view you had yours. Let's leave it at that. Ok
 
Excuse me . But I've never called nor attacked you once. I've no idea who you are. Nor will I ever will have. You do what you do to put bread on the table. I prefer to earn taxes and provide for my own through hard work and qualifications rather than prey on those who may join through a link. Look I'm not getting into this anymore, as said many times previous. Streaming is a invidious topic on casinomeister and unless there's a case to bring it up, well let's not. I've been honest and polite. I've had my view you had yours. Let's leave it at that. Ok

Don't blame me for reacting when you compare streamers to parasites. There really was no need for that irrespective of your views on them.

We are human too after all.
 
Excuse me . But I've never called nor attacked you once. I've no idea who you are. Nor will I ever will have. You do what you do to put bread on the table. I prefer to earn taxes and provide for my own through hard work and qualifications rather than prey on those who may join through a link. Look I'm not getting into this anymore, as said many times previous. Streaming is a invidious topic on casinomeister and unless there's a case to bring it up, well let's not. I've been honest and polite. I've had my view you had yours. Let's leave it at that. Ok

Seriously?
So basically you are calling all affiliates there, including the people who run this forum?

I am an affiliate, I pay tax on my earnings and is all declared to HMRC. I work hard and one of my income streams is from affiliate revenue. I don't prey on anyone, but thanks for tarring all affiliates with the same brush.
 
Seriously?
So basically you are calling all affiliates there, including the people who run this forum?

I am an affiliate, I pay tax on my earnings and is all declared to HMRC. I work hard and one of my income streams is from affiliate revenue. I don't prey on anyone, but thanks for tarring all affiliates with the same brush.

Nope not a affiliate. So appologies for that. I meant streamers like rick snots and the like. So please don't get on your high horse. There is no need
 
Nope not a affiliate. So appologies for that. I meant streamers like rick snots and the like. So please don't get on your high horse. There is no need

And you can also see. I never mentioned affialtes per se. It's a thread on a streamer. So please don't tar me with a brush that's totally unjustified. Never called affiliates anything, only 'certain' ones who clearly take the blatant piss.
 
As was previously mentioned by another poster your opinion is one sided due to casino grounds. So you can't hold a unbiased opinion like the rest of us. And what exactly is insulting?.. the majority of people watching are the ones who enter the free raffles then leave straight after, look at YouTube chat for instance on these streams, that's not slot fans is it?.. the only streamers worth a watch if I ever have the time are Paul and the bandit. Decent people with no agenda. No donations may I add. Furthermore I don't think this is the place to set aside opinions over streaming or streamers..it's a serious online casino site, a place for real players or fans of online slots, not a place to promote a streamers parasitic ways.

So he cant say anything at all about anything ever?:rolleyes:

Who made you princess of casinomeister? He can do as he pleases and post how he wants as long as its within the rules.

In regards to your comment that only jobless nobodies watch streaming. I watch streaming. I have a full time job and I go to the gym thank you very much.
 
And you can also see. I never mentioned affialtes per se. It's a thread on a streamer. So please don't tar me with a brush that's totally unjustified. Never called affiliates anything, only 'certain' ones who clearly take the blatant piss.

It was you turning this topic about one streamer and a casino into a general rant against streamers.

You accused me of being biased when it is now absolutely clear that you have your own agenda.

We get it. You don't like Nick. That is fine.
 
So he cant say anything at all about anything ever?:rolleyes:

Who made you princess of casinomeister? He can do as he pleases and post how he wants as long as its within the rules.

In regards to your comment that only jobless nobodies watch streaming. I watch streaming. I have a full time job and I go to the gym thank you very much.

Well I notice you have many many a opinion on casinomeister also...are u the princess?.. I'm also allowed my opinion? So what exactly is ur point? U been here longer? Also saw ur also mates with this guy, so ur yet another with a biased opinion. And do you follow or watch and follow uk steams regularly?..on YouTube and twitch during working hours?..really? If you did you would have a idea what I meant. There full of imbeciles. Maybe the odd 20 if that decent folk. The rest which u will have no idea of troll almost every casino or gambling channel in the uk. So please, keep away from a debate that frankly doesn't need u, being a well represented member or not
 
Well I notice you have many many a opinion on casinomeister also...are u the princess?.. I'm also allowed my opinion? So what exactly is ur point? U been here longer? Also saw ur also mates with this guy, so ur yet another with a biased opinion. And do you follow or watch and follow uk steams regularly?..on YouTube and twitch during working hours?..really? If you did you would have a idea what I meant. There full of imbeciles. Maybe the odd 20 if that decent folk. The rest which u will have no idea of troll almost every casino or gambling channel in the uk. So please, keep away from a debate that frankly doesn't need u, being a well represented member or not

Now you better stop insulting people more or you will probably find yourself a non member here tomorrow.
There are all kinds in this forum. I suggest you take a step back and read up a bit instead.
 
It was you turning this topic about one streamer and a casino into a general rant against streamers.

You accused me of being biased when it is now absolutely clear that you have your own agenda.

We get it. You don't like Nick. That is fine.

There is hardly anyone that likes him. That was never the issue at all. The only one twisting this is you because you couldn't be honest or hold a intelligent argument. Tbh I'd expect no less from a career 'streamer'
 
Well I notice you have many many a opinion on casinomeister also...are u the princess?.. I'm also allowed my opinion? So what exactly is ur point? U been here longer? Also saw ur also mates with this guy, so ur yet another with a biased opinion. And do you follow or watch and follow uk steams regularly?..on YouTube and twitch during working hours?..really? If you did you would have a idea what I meant. There full of imbeciles. Maybe the odd 20 if that decent folk. The rest which u will have no idea of troll almost every casino or gambling channel in the uk. So please, keep away from a debate that frankly doesn't need u, being a well represented member or not

Are you for real? What is it with the insults. Imbeciles, parasites etc.

It tells me actually more about you than the people you are insulting.
 
There is hardly anyone that likes him. That was never the issue at all. The only one twisting this is you because you couldn't be honest or hold a intelligent argument. Tbh I'd expect no less from a career 'streamer'

Career streamer? I have a very well paid job thank you very much.

I stream as a hobby. Nothing more nothing less.
 
Are you for real? What is it with the insults. Imbeciles, parasites etc.

It tells me actually more about you than the people you are insulting.

Playing to the members I see. Good move I may add, because I had valid points, like the emails I mentioned earlier, that you side tracked. What are you wanting me banned for having a opinon?. I've never personally called anybody, but I do take exception when people who have no idea who iam and jump into a debate that hasn't involved them one little bit maybe because they think casinomeister is there's and not for a member of the public to have a opinion on. You sidetracked that guy who had valid points on the raffle also, your comments on paul on here are rather underhand, yet nobody realises that. Ur clearly biased to casino grounds, yet that's forgotten. I tried numerous times to close my dialogue with you, you never allowed that, before iam banned(which will be almost inevitable now) I thought this was a place of free speech?..because you don't like what I'm saying is wrong?.. portal wars cm said?.. well that encapsulated you in one.
 
Now you better stop insulting people more or you will probably find yourself a non member here tomorrow.
There are all kinds in this forum. I suggest you take a step back and read up a bit instead.

Rest my case. A well spoken member defending a well spoken member. Yet as I have a opinion, your telling me I can't be a member possibly tomorrow?..irony? Look read my full posts. I've been more than polite and also fair. Is this just a club for a few good old boys n girls and the rest of the casino community don't matter?.
 

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