Bogus Complaint Slot Addict AKA Feeder vs Rizkmas Raffle

[lockinlove]

Oh totally agree the way the OP well both the OP's lol went about this was farcical to say the least, but there is no way anyone can deny the points he raised are actually very valid and not really dealt with in the correct manner as a lot of other posters questions where kind of not answered either. Not defending the conduct how he/she's done this as it's clearly underhand, that said though still doesn't warrant it not been dealt with correctly by the streamer or the casino

It may be true but the problem is you wont have very many people bothering to help or care when you go about it like a complete idiot and piss everyone off.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Talk of going in circles. Let's put this to bed. I will try to explain this from the legal point of view.

Compare it to Jaffa Cakes in your Tesco's supermarket. Tesco tells you if you buy 5 packs you will be entered into a live JAFFA (Rizk) prize draw, NOT a TESCO (NickSlots) prize draw. Hence, Tesco is only the intermediary agent and Jaffa is the promoter.

Suddenly, 1Mio people buy 5 packs of Jaffa Cakes making it difficult to do it all live. So they alter slightly the selection process which is still random but they don't change the prizes promised in the draw. To be able to do that they have a clause in their T&C's saying: "We may, in our absolute discretion, alter or amend any product offered via the Website at any time."

Ergo, nothing wrong has been done as the OP or some suggested. The only thing, but that is also covered in the T&C with "in our absolute discretion", is making the information widely available. But according to "interlog" even that was done live on the stream by NickSlots.

So where the h*ll can you see a mistake here?? There is none!!! Basta.

 

[Captain Rizk]

He did actually bring up some valid points though.

I can't believe some people on here are so defensive about some things that are plainly wrong.

Someone actually said, its Rizks promo so if they want to change it then thats up to them, I'm sorry but WTF? No they can't. Thats a clear breach of rules and guidelines, and is ridiculous to suggest that can be done.

If a streamer, casino or anyone else said, sign up and if you lose £1000+ we will refund you, in full, in cash, and had the promo running for a month, then the day it was due to end said, oh, we've had more people than we thought take part, we will give you a tenner instead, would people think that was ok? As that would be doing exactly whats happened here, changing the terms at the end of the promo.

Casino's and their affiliates need to be extremely careful in running promo's, this streamer is based in the UK, and is therefore subject to the gambling act. This is a lottery (legally speaking) and he should have a gaming license to run it, I did ask if he was running it under Rizk's licence, but wasn't replied to.

If I was affected by this, and felt strongly about it I would complain to the UKGC about both the streamer and Rizk, so as to get some answers, and find out if there were any wrongdoings. I'm not though so I won't be.

Rizk should however, at least, if asked, show that the initial draw was carried out fairly, and those who had made multiple deposits did in fact have multiple chances to win. Did any one person have more than one entry in the final 50? If some people had 10+ tickets, as is possible, I would find it hard to believe no one had more than one make it to the final 50, and in fact an earlier post seemed to confirm that it was single entries for the final 50.

This is probably a legit promo that was badly ran, but thats what you get when you allow some foul mouthed chav to run a competition for a casino, and considering his attitude towards the customers, Iif I were Rizk I would distance myself from him completely!

No one here is trying to sweep anything under the carpet !!

To answer the above as best that i can:

Firstly, this was not a lottery - that is entirely different and you pay money into a pool which is then divided out by some means. This was a Free Prize Draw that we tried to help Nick create - very much like a "spend £50 on shopping this week at your local supermarket and get entered into a free prize draw for X,Y or Z". As such there is no licence required.

Secondly, every single player that did qualify, in this case by purchasing gambling services, was entered into a draw and randomly selected and therefore everyone had exactly the same chance of winning as everyone else. Yes, we did this on behalf of Nick as we held the data. We still have and hold the data and the draw and the results.

Had we just randomly selected the winners electronically and posted the result then I doubt that we would be here discussing this now but we resolved to put 50 of the original tickets into a live draw for Nick to do on his stream as we believed that this would be more transparent - clearly this was a mistake. However I must reiterate every single ticket had an equal chance of winning.

 

[Captain Rizk]

I don't get it I google it and I still don't get it help me. :Read:

On another note when I used to watch Nick on twitch maybe 4 months back can't really remember exactly the point I was turned off, when I login to Risk I had Nick Slots Icon on the homepage off the casino even though I was a member before he probably even took up twitch or I noticed, I'm sure I signed up threw Casino Meister and got the special SUB.

I had an other issue with the casino at the time small moan on my behalf about deposit based free spins I threw in the above point don't think I got a reply to why it was.

The question is how can Risk Casino link me to Nick Slots unless they are using some kind off tracking software and are both parties in on it or just one?

I found the email sent on: 14/10/2016 12:47:15 GMT Standard Time

"When I logon to the casino I'm confronted with a Nick slots logo I didn't sign up threw his banner.

Your deposit based promotions at the moment are not very inviting.

I know there is no wagering attached to free spins that you give away.

These are deposit based free spins that have a terms and conditions link next to them but know where from that link is there any information that is linked to that promotion.

So by claiming them you would have absolutely no information at all regarding the terms and conditions for using them, you would just know that there are terms and conditions because there is a terms and conditions link attached to them.

Considering that most if not all your free spins are wager free and have no conditions attached why have you run a miss leading promotion?

Could start by telling the player which slot or slots they were on. Considering some slots have only 1 or 5 pay lines, we are still living in a world where casinos trick players by not using maximum lines and offering just a few for a promotion that was not included in the terms and conditions."

I just want to edit and add that I have never signed up to a casino threw twitch before 100% certain I would know such an instance.

Hi Lookaway - i am not sure that i understand this, the Nick slots part in particular. maybe you can PM me with some more detail and your e-mail address and i will certainly look into it for you.

With regard to the deposit free spins promo, are you referring to a mail that we sent you? If so could you also let me know when - i can then track it back and look at the mail itself to see where the problem was

 

[lockinlove]

Captain Rizk

OUT.....

Did you write this while dropping a microphone and kissing your index finger and your middle finger?

 

[Steviedoo]

I still don't get why The op felt ripped off.

And what was the prize?

 

[TNY]

This whole thing reminds me of a law and order episode, it had just the right amount of twist to build suspense with a strong finish leaving you eager for the next episode.

 

[TNY]

This whole thing reminds me of a law and order episode, it had just the right amount of twist to build suspense with a strong finish leaving you eager for the next episode.

No really, i think im on to something here. If each PAB case was an 1 hour episode that had to be investigated like this it would make riveting viewing. Even if its not that good sure beats the shit out of watching someone else play slots.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi Lookaway - i am not sure that i understand this, the Nick slots part in particular. maybe you can PM me with some more detail and your e-mail address and i will certainly look into it for you.

With regard to the deposit free spins promo, are you referring to a mail that we sent you? If so could you also let me know when - i can then track it back and look at the mail itself to see where the problem was

No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members.

Fees out

 

[spintee]

It does make you wonder,

What is more than likely happen is Nicklslots has a landing page on Rizk website and your browser has stored that page somewhere along the line if you managed to click it from somewhere. , Even when delete browsing etc then that might not stop it, You will have extra settings for search facility somewhere on your browser.

Why does it even have to be a special landing page about him? Last thing you want if you do not like somthing is that in your face every time.

Also I agree, Sometimes PM can be sorted quicker but why? If every thing was PM there will be no forums, I always thought that what forums are about and that is to talk about things and have a debate, Its a different matter if email was a log in or wanted I.D to be hidden from members but most reps have our names ect from number of comps

No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members.

Fees out

 

[k6kaysix]

The thought of people buying 10+ tickets for the draw (Well, specially making £50 deposits anyway) makes me chuckle when the top prizes were essentially an iPad Air or PlayStation 4, if you want one of those that badly just go out and buy them yourself!

 

[Naok777]

10+ pages of drama all come down to certain people not understanding math.

If you put 500 names in a hat and pick 1 winner then the odds of any one name winning are 1 in 500.
If you put 500 names in a hat and pick out 50, put those 50 in another hat and then pick 1 winner the odds of any one name winning are still exactly 1 in 500.

 

[Jd666]

No really, i think im on to something here. If each PAB case was an 1 hour episode that had to be investigated like this it would make riveting viewing. Even if its not that good sure beats the shit out of watching someone else play slots.

 

[interlog]

10+ pages of drama all come down to certain people not understanding math.

If you put 500 names in a hat and pick 1 winner then the odds of any one name winning are 1 in 500.
If you put 500 names in a hat and pick out 50, put those 50 in another hat and then pick 1 winner the odds of any one name winning are still exactly 1 in 500.

And that is the crux of the matter. Nothing else really to say.

 

[Captain Rizk]

No need for pm's just answer one question: when I login to Rizk casino why did it have a Nick slots logo on it anywhere considering the fact I had not signed up threw his link.

Were you advertising his channel? Did I click a link from his channel and when ever I typed Rizk casino on my Chrome search bar did it auto fill the rest and take me to that same page?

Can you explain to us what kind off coding about Nick Slots was uploaded to your casino around this date 14/10/2016

Example was this a special greeting for people who signed up to you from his channel but accidentally any player who had clicked on just the link from Twitch but had not signed up threw said link, who even like me was already a member still got the greeting which went on for say roughly we will say a week could off been more or less I'm not a regular depositing player because off your fees I expect like a lot off members.

Fees out

If you already had a Rizk account but then visited Rizk via a link on Nicks site with a clean browser then that link directed to you to a Nickslots specific landing page. This does not mean that your account is linked, it will just be the link that you may have used to get to Rizk at one point.

 

[mimi26]

I don't get it I google it and I still don't get it help me. :Read:

On another note when I used to watch Nick on twitch maybe 4 months back can't really remember exactly the point I was turned off, when I login to Risk I had Nick Slots Icon on the homepage off the casino even though I was a member before he probably even took up twitch or I noticed, I'm sure I signed up threw Casino Meister and got the special SUB.

I had an other issue with the casino at the time small moan on my behalf about deposit based free spins I threw in the above point don't think I got a reply to why it was.

The question is how can Risk Casino link me to Nick Slots unless they are using some kind off tracking software and are both parties in on it or just one?

I found the email sent on: 14/10/2016 12:47:15 GMT Standard Time

"When I logon to the casino I'm confronted with a Nick slots logo I didn't sign up threw his banner.

Your deposit based promotions at the moment are not very inviting.

I know there is no wagering attached to free spins that you give away.

These are deposit based free spins that have a terms and conditions link next to them but know where from that link is there any information that is linked to that promotion.

So by claiming them you would have absolutely no information at all regarding the terms and conditions for using them, you would just know that there are terms and conditions because there is a terms and conditions link attached to them.

Considering that most if not all your free spins are wager free and have no conditions attached why have you run a miss leading promotion?

Could start by telling the player which slot or slots they were on. Considering some slots have only 1 or 5 pay lines, we are still living in a world where casinos trick players by not using maximum lines and offering just a few for a promotion that was not included in the terms and conditions."

I just want to edit and add that I have never signed up to a casino threw twitch before 100% certain I would know such an instance.

Thats strange and if you are sure you signed up through casinomeister then he should be the affiliate getting credited for your play and not Nick

 

[Captain Rizk]

Thats strange and if you are sure you signed up through casinomeister then he should be the affiliate getting credited for your play and not Nick

You are absolutely correct mimi - please see my reply above your post

 

[dunover]

Is it me, or even since this 'streaming' bollocks has become popular, the number of flaming and downright cantankerous threads has increased?

Be like me, the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!)

 

[TradaCasino]

the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!)

 

[Jd666]

Is it me, or even since this 'streaming' bollocks has become popular, the number of flaming and downright cantankerous threads has increased?

Be like me, the only streaming I do is after I wake up and is deep yellow with a satisfying sound as it splashes into the water...(well most of it does!)

Im sure we will have another streaming/twitch drama next week

 

[brianmon]

Considering Twitch is mainly for streaming video games, and as such will have a high proportion of under 18's on the site.

How responsible is it of casinos and affiliates, to be promoting gambling products (very actively and in some cases, aggressively) to a vulnerable audience on non-age-restricted sites like this?

I wonder how many of these under 18's have watched gambling streams, and signed up to casinos?
A lot of them will have access to a debit card, prepaid cards, bank transfers etc, or even worse their parents cards.
I would only be at the withdrawal and verification stage, that it would come to light.

I can see this all turning very nasty in the future

 

[Jono777]

Twitch did a temporary ban 9-12 months or so back on slotting etc, something I feel will become more permanent in the not too distant future for the very reasons you suggest!

Would be a shame as I feel the positives far out weigh the negatives.

A simple 'forced' account creation with mandatory KYC type verification could nullify this potential problem.

 

[Bulzaih]

Considering Twitch is mainly for streaming video games, and as such will have a high proportion of under 18's on the site.

How responsible is it of casinos and affiliates, to be promoting gambling products (very actively and in some cases, aggressively) to a vulnerable audience on non-age-restricted sites like this?

I wonder how many of these under 18's have watched gambling streams, and signed up to casinos?
A lot of them will have access to a debit card, prepaid cards, bank transfers etc, or even worse their parents cards.
I would only be at the withdrawal and verification stage, that it would come to light.

I can see this all turning very nasty in the future

Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..?
This just because they failed to read T&C

 

[spintee]

Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..?
This just because they failed to read T&C

There is a few problems with that,

1, I think its up to the streamer to have that (18+) Should be mandatory for all gambling, But alot of computer games are 16 - 18 +
2nd does it matter if there is a yes I am 18? Which young kid will that stop,

I really do not know why people get up tight when subjects like this get bought up It is to do with gambling isn't it ? and a forum is a place to come and have discussions,

Yes if it was about a computer game streamer than yes I see why people would not want to know about whats going on.

Edit::: If people do not like the discussion than do what alot of others say and do not read, Or unsub from the thread. To some people things like this are interesting, What works for one may doesn't for the other and visa versa

 

[brianmon]

Isn't there a warning where you have to confirm that you are +18 when opening the casino streams?
For some reason I remember such warning popping up for me at least.

Otherwise you are correct, it can turn nasty, but it's not the casino's or affiliate's fault if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc..?
This just because they failed to read T&C

Clicking to say you're over 18 isn't going to stop anyone. I'm pretty sure there aren't any checks done.

I'm not saying it's the casino or affiliates fault, directly, if someone under age decides to use their parents card etc. But the way they aggressively promote their services, with all the affiliate links, giveaways, raffles, and some guy winning 100's if not 1000's playing slots. it's going to be a hell of a lot more tempting to a 16 year old, than just stumbling over a casino site or affiliates site online. or even seeing a winning bonus round on youtube

If a drug dealer was stood outside a school gate, giving away free samples to kids. would it be the dealers responsibility or the kids fault for not reading up on the dangers of drugs before accepting