Bogus Complaint Slot Addict AKA Feeder vs Rizkmas Raffle

[geordiecolin]

There is hardly anyone that likes him. That was never the issue at all. The only one twisting this is you because you couldn't be honest or hold a intelligent argument. Tbh I'd expect no less from a career 'streamer'

Once a person resorts to posting insults on the basis of pure assumptions then they have lost their argument and are straying into the realms of trolling.
For me your reasons for posting in this thread are discredited and finished.

 

[interlog]

Playing to the members I see. Good move I may add, because I had valid points, like the emails I mentioned earlier, that you side tracked. What are you wanting me banned for having a opinon?. I've never personally called anybody, but I do take exception when people who have no idea who iam and jump into a debate that hasn't involved them one little bit maybe because they think casinomeister is there's and not for a member of the public to have a opinion on. You sidetracked that guy who had valid points on the raffle also, your comments on paul on here are rather underhand, yet nobody realises that. Ur clearly biased to casino grounds, yet that's forgotten. I tried numerous times to close my dialogue with you, you never allowed that, before iam banned(which will be almost inevitable now) I thought this was a place of free speech?..because you don't like what I'm saying is wrong?.. portal wars cm said?.. well that encapsulated you in one.

What underhand comments about Paul? I never said anything bad about him.

I don't ban people and have not reported any of your posts. I am quite thick skinned. Bans usually happen because of what you post so if you do get banned then look in the mirror.

I make more posts here than on Casino Grounds and have no biase on either of them.

 

[Tirilej]

Rest my case. A well spoken member defending a well spoken member. Yet as I have a opinion, your telling me I can't be a member possibly tomorrow?..irony? Look read my full posts. I've been more than polite and also fair. Is this just a club for a few good old boys n girls and the rest of the casino community don't matter?.

You're new, and to be that aggressiv isn't so smart. You maybe think you've been polite and fair, but what we see is someone who judge both streamers and viewers, and you can find a lot of them in this forum.
I thought the other day that you seemed resonable and was very polite, so I advice you again to take a step back.
Interlog is one of the good guys in here.

 

[lockinlove]

Well I notice you have many many a opinion on casinomeister also...are u the princess?.. I'm also allowed my opinion? So what exactly is ur point? U been here longer? Also saw ur also mates with this guy, so ur yet another with a biased opinion. And do you follow or watch and follow uk steams regularly?..on YouTube and twitch during working hours?..really? If you did you would have a idea what I meant. There full of imbeciles. Maybe the odd 20 if that decent folk. The rest which u will have no idea of troll almost every casino or gambling channel in the uk. So please, keep away from a debate that frankly doesn't need u, being a well represented member or not

Well yes you are allowed an opinion but insulting people isnt very nice in my opinion. You keep saying over and over every time he posts, that hes bias and you are insulting him. Stick to the conversation instead of hurling insults for no reason.

Maybe I shouldnt tell people what to do but I dont think its nice you treating him like crap. Regardless if he is a friend of mine or not. But calling me bias is just another insult for no reason. I would say it about anyone

You are pretty new here with no posting really until recently, do you think the proper thing is to just insult and attack everyone? We arent trying to gang up on you, its just that regular members here dont like to see other regs get insulted for no reason.

I wont say anything else as I dont wont to come across as bossy and now this thread is super derailed. I just wanted to express that insulting regular posters here, before you get to know them and painting them with a brush, isnt very nice or fair.

Just stick to being polite instead of reaching for insults

People have said over and over that good points were raised by you guys.

 

[colinsunderland]

Rest my case. A well spoken member defending a well spoken member. Yet as I have a opinion, your telling me I can't be a member possibly tomorrow?..irony? Look read my full posts. I've been more than polite and also fair. Is this just a club for a few good old boys n girls and the rest of the casino community don't matter?.

Some of your comments have been insulting, some have been confrontational, and some have been fine. You should step away from the keyboard for a couple of minutes before pressing send if you don't want people to have a go at you for certain comments.

I'm by no means sticking up for established members on here, just saying what I can see. I think this promo was an illegal lottery from a legal standpoint, Rizk have already confirmed there was no gaming license used for it, and it will be interesting to see what their reply to my earlier post is, as I've looked at the terms and can see no way of submitting a free entry. If thats the case then it was illegal. There are other things wrong with it too which I haven't mentioned as they aren't as important as the issue I have highlighted.
I find it concerning that someone holding a gaming license doesn't actually know the difference between a free prize draw and a lottery though.

However, I don't attack people who disagree with me or reply to my posts saying they think I'm wrong. I try to be polite when I reply and point out why I disagree, whereas your posts come across as rants. Words on a forum can sometimes be taken the wrong way to what they are meant, which is why I suggest you take a couple of minutes to re-read what you have typed before you post.

 

[interlog]

Talking about raffles and giveaways during streams and now also on some YouTube bonus video channels in general.

All of them have a specific requirement. Usually you have to be signed up through a link and must have made a deposit usually of a certain level or at least it is always the latter.

I be interested in the named legalities regarding this. I do occasional raffles and don't want to get in any kind of troubles.

And wouldnt the same apply for any promotions here by accredited casinos? There is always normally a requirement attached to it.

 

[colinsunderland]

Talking about raffles and giveaways during streams and now also on some YouTube bonus video channels in general.

All of them have a specific requirement. Usually you have to be signed up through a link and must have made a deposit usually of a certain level or at least it is always the latter.

I be interested in the named legalities regarding this. I do occasional raffles and don't want to get in any kind of troubles.

And wouldnt the same apply for any promotions here by accredited casinos? There is always normally a requirement attached to it.

Are you in the UK?
Yes any promo by a casino where there isn't a free to enter route would be governed by the Gambling Act 2005, the difference is, here the casino have specifically said their gaming license wasn't used, so if Nickslots doesn't have his own then it was an illegal lottery, which won't look good for Rizk as they were involved in it.

If you are in the UK then have a look through the Gambling Act and this

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from that link

In simple terms a lottery is a kind of gambling that has three essential elements:
 payment is required to participate
 one or more prizes are awarded
 those prizes are awarded by chance

If it is a raffle and you don't require a deposit to be made then it would be unlikely to be classed as a lottery, so if you said, sign up and send you the user name to be entered into a draw, then that would be a prize draw, no payment required and it is a free entry. If you added 'and deposit £10' then payment is required and there is no way to enter for free, then its classed as a lottery and you are bound by the gambling act, assuming you are in the uk

Hope that helps

 

[Harry_BKK]

Are you in the UK?
Yes any promo by a casino where there isn't a free to enter route would be governed by the Gambling Act 2005, the difference is, here the casino have specifically said their gaming license wasn't used, so if Nickslots doesn't have his own then it was an illegal lottery, which won't look good for Rizk as they were involved in it.

If you are in the UK then have a look through the Gambling Act and this

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from that link

In simple terms a lottery is a kind of gambling that has three essential elements:
 payment is required to participate
 one or more prizes are awarded
 those prizes are awarded by chance

If it is a raffle and you don't require a deposit to be made then it would be unlikely to be classed as a lottery, so if you said, sign up and send you the user name to be entered into a draw, then that would be a prize draw, no payment required and it is a free entry. If you added 'and deposit £10' then payment is required and there is no way to enter for free, then its classed as a lottery and you are bound by the gambling act, assuming you are in the uk

Hope that helps

Good morning Colin,

sorry, didn't post earlier when you quoted my post, was too tired at the time.

Thanks for correcting that because in my post I did not take into consideration the UK Gambling Act, which to be honest I didn't know that they classify the two options differently. Will be interesting to hear a comment from either side.

 

[interlog]

Are you in the UK?
Yes any promo by a casino where there isn't a free to enter route would be governed by the Gambling Act 2005, the difference is, here the casino have specifically said their gaming license wasn't used, so if Nickslots doesn't have his own then it was an illegal lottery, which won't look good for Rizk as they were involved in it.

If you are in the UK then have a look through the Gambling Act and this

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

from that link

In simple terms a lottery is a kind of gambling that has three essential elements:
 payment is required to participate
 one or more prizes are awarded
 those prizes are awarded by chance

If it is a raffle and you don't require a deposit to be made then it would be unlikely to be classed as a lottery, so if you said, sign up and send you the user name to be entered into a draw, then that would be a prize draw, no payment required and it is a free entry. If you added 'and deposit £10' then payment is required and there is no way to enter for free, then its classed as a lottery and you are bound by the gambling act, assuming you are in the uk

Hope that helps

Yes it does.

But what if I give the spins out on behalf of the casino which I am doing effectively?

 

[colinsunderland]

Yes it does.

But what if I give the spins out on behalf of the casino which I am doing effectively?

It would really depend exactly how you are doing it, the basic rule of thumb is, if theres no free entry, and prizes are awarded where there is no skill involved then it would usually be classed as a lottery. If for example you gave everyone who signed up and deposited 50 free spins then it would just be a bonus, if you drew 10 names out a hat then it would be a lottery, thats my understanding , but theres exceptions to every rule.

 

[colinsunderland]

Good morning Colin,

sorry, didn't post earlier when you quoted my post, was too tired at the time.

Thanks for correcting that because in my post I did not take into consideration the UK Gambling Act, which to be honest I didn't know that they classify the two options differently. Will be interesting to hear a comment from either side.

no probs mate
Its not my intention to argue with anyone, just pointing out what I know about the act, and if I'm wrong about anything happy to be corrected. However regarding this type of thing I did have to speak to the gambling commission a few years back for work regarding something similar which is why I know a little about it.

 

[interlog]

It would really depend exactly how you are doing it, the basic rule of thumb is, if theres no free entry, and prizes are awarded where there is no skill involved then it would usually be classed as a lottery. If for example you gave everyone who signed up and deposited 50 free spins then it would just be a bonus, if you drew 10 names out a hat then it would be a lottery, thats my understanding , but theres exceptions to every rule.

But wouldn't it be the casinos responsibility

I would compare it to me pressing the button on the lottery machine when it used to be televised. Don't need a gambling license for pressing the button.

When I give out the spins that the casino told me I can give away and they credit to the players account I use an RNG programme to select the winners which is the same as pressing the lottery machine button?

 

[spintee]

No you don't because his material is one way rather than live where you the streamer at times get insulted so you react to that (rightly or wrongly).

As for protecting my investment. I wouldn't be able to put bread on the table from my affiliate commission if that was my source of income. There are months where I get sod all.

Stop tarring all streamers with the same brush because you don't like one or two of them.

Excuse me . But I've never called nor attacked you once. I've no idea who you are. Nor will I ever will have. You do what you do to put bread on the table. I prefer to earn taxes and provide for my own through hard work and qualifications rather than prey on those who may join through a link. Look I'm not getting into this anymore, as said many times previous. Streaming is a invidious topic on casinomeister and unless there's a case to bring it up, well let's not. I've been honest and polite. I've had my view you had yours. Let's leave it at that. Ok

I would not put every affiliate in the same category as some of the proper rouges out there, Infact interlog is a nice bloke, Yes there are some idiots that stream and promote sites but isnt there a few idiots in all walks of life?

I let people say what they want but its abit over the top to call people parasites and that they do not work hard, How do you know what they do? Because they stream a few hours a week that makes them low life and scum? and even worse for the non workers that watch?

You should nether judge a book by its cover, Ok so I may put my opinion's across in threads but would not go as far as calling anyone them type of things. Just because there maybe 1 or 2 bad grapes it does not mean there all bad,

 

[spintee]

But wouldn't it be the casinos responsibility

I would compare it to me pressing the button on the lottery machine when it used to be televised. Don't need a gambling license for pressing the button.

When I give out the spins that the casino told me I can give away and they credit to the players account I use an RNG programme to select the winners which is the same as pressing the lottery machine button?

There are many different ways people can look at it,

What I see you do is merely a raffle. I do not think there are much laws on free raffles

Now when people say you must have deposited in the last week ect than thats when it starts to get complicated.

 

[k6kaysix]

FYI I watch a lot of streaming / YouTube / gambling sites since I don't gamble myself these days so it more than helps fill the void but I have come across this Playford7 username in comments and the like in the past and they seem to have the same attitude issue so I wouldn't take it personally! (Not trying to be mean to the user or anything just saying it isn't really unique to this site!)

Anyway with regards the promotions I think the issue is at the minute the streamers are all fighting over themselves for affiliate customers which ends up leading to more and more questionable promotions taking place rather than just the more innocent 'Right as a reward for watching some of you can have free spins' or similar.

Having said that I don't have any particular problems as such with any streamers, and breaking news just like the TV if you don't like Eastenders then just put Coronation Street on instead! (or quickly hide the remote from the wife!) Nobody is forcing people at gunpoint to join their affiliate link or enter their raffles at the end of the day!

 

[jackanory2279]

nickslots is just a big affiliate scumbag. who feeds of other peoples donations and losses and plays a nice guy act.

 

[Captain Rizk]

no probs mate
Its not my intention to argue with anyone, just pointing out what I know about the act, and if I'm wrong about anything happy to be corrected. However regarding this type of thing I did have to speak to the gambling commission a few years back for work regarding something similar which is why I know a little about it.

It is a good point Colin although I stand by my earlier mail and do not agree with some of your points but will speak to the legal guys to get the "legalese" version as this would cover a vast range of different competitions that both we, other casino's, other non gambling organisations and particularly affiliates run.

This could be construed to cover all sorts of different promotions/prizes/competitions particularly where a 3rd party hosts a competition - it would certainly have a knock on effect potentially to the types of CM specific promo's can be hosted as pretty much all competitions require the need for real money play and the winners, by definition, cannot be determined by acts of skill.

 

[maxd]

Clearly Playford7 has some anger and hostility issues. Perhaps a little "vacation" will allow a calmer attitude to prevail.

 

[The Dude]

Clearly Playford7 has some anger and hostility issues. Perhaps a little "vacation" will allow a calmer attitude to prevail.

I'm about ready to ban anyone who mentions this streaming nonsense. What a load of garbage. As I commented earlier, it's like the traffic from the ezy board forums a decade ago. Like a bunch of hissy fit girl scouts fighting over the last bag of potato chips.

 

[colinsunderland]

But wouldn't it be the casinos responsibility

I would compare it to me pressing the button on the lottery machine when it used to be televised. Don't need a gambling license for pressing the button.

When I give out the spins that the casino told me I can give away and they credit to the players account I use an RNG programme to select the winners which is the same as pressing the lottery machine button?

Presumably if it is done with permission of the casino then their license will cover it, the difference here is Rizk have stated their license wasn't used, so then Nickslots have to have one, or it was illegal. The problem here is the rules were apparently changed part way through, which is a big no no, and the reason for the license question was to find out who the OP would need to complain to the UKGC about. If it was ran under Rizk's license then you would complain about them, if not then you would most likely complain about Nickslots, and you would have the additional complaint that it was an illegal lottery rather than just a complaint about the terms being changed.

Having said that I'm not 100% sure the terms were changed. The written terms should override anything spoken, and I don't see any of them have been broken, but again, its a bit of a grey area.

It is a good point Colin although I stand by my earlier mail and do not agree with some of your points but will speak to the legal guys to get the "legalese" version as this would cover a vast range of different competitions that both we, other casino's, other non gambling organisations and particularly affiliates run.

This could be construed to cover all sorts of different promotions/prizes/competitions particularly where a 3rd party hosts a competition - it would certainly have a knock on effect potentially to the types of CM specific promo's can be hosted as pretty much all competitions require the need for real money play and the winners, by definition, cannot be determined by acts of skill.

I don't see any problem with any promo you or other casino's run, either on here or elsewhere. You don't change the terms and conditions part way through, and you have a gaming license, and as long as your license allows you to do this (which I'm sure it will) then I can't see how there would be a problem.
Nickslots don't have a license, and you have already stated it wasn't ran under yours, thats where I see a problem, as, if it is classed as a lottery, which I certainly think it would be, there has to be a license in place.
Just to be clear I don't have a problem with you, I'm just pointing out my views on this, in fact because of this thread I made my first deposit with you last night for ages

 

[sueyh]

I'm just wondering, if the rule has changed because too many people joined the raffle, isn't it scam?

I mean, if people thought their ticket will be on the wheel with 49 other tickets, what they believe was they have a chance 1 in 50 to win, but it turned out to it's not 1 in 50, that's a scam, isn't it?

I mean I know, Nick mentioned many times about the changed rule, but still I'm wondering if a lot more people than he expected joined the raffle, why Nick didn't increase numbers of people who would get prize?

 

[spintee]

I'm just wondering, if the rule has changed because too many people joined the raffle, isn't it scam?

I mean, if people thought their ticket will be on the wheel with 49 other tickets, what they believe was they have a chance 1 in 50 to win, but it turned out to it's not 1 in 50, that's a scam, isn't it?

I mean I know, Nick mentioned many times about the changed rule, but still I'm wondering if a lot more people than he expected joined the raffle, why Nick didn't increase numbers of people who would get prize?

People had no idea that there could only be 50 on the wheel,Thats what has started all this, There could of been 5 or 500 names but what they thought was they was going to see there name on some sort of raffle live.

But if Rizk and Nick new that only 50 could of been on the board and there was alot more players than expected than you have a valid point, have 4 wheels and 4 lots of prize

They obvious had alot more than expected, Or did they ?

 

[interlog]

I'm just wondering, if the rule has changed because too many people joined the raffle, isn't it scam?

I mean, if people thought their ticket will be on the wheel with 49 other tickets, what they believe was they have a chance 1 in 50 to win, but it turned out to it's not 1 in 50, that's a scam, isn't it?

I mean I know, Nick mentioned many times about the changed rule, but still I'm wondering if a lot more people than he expected joined the raffle, why Nick didn't increase numbers of people who would get prize?

There were always a set number of prizes irrespective of the number of entries.

I do sometimes raffles. The last one was 1000 spins at 20 x 50. As it happened almost everyone that entered won because there were only 30 participants. Had there be 100, more wouldn't have gotten anything because the number of prizes wouldn't have increased.

 

[brianmon]

The thing is...

Why were they willing to give away those prizes based on 50 people entering by depositing £50 each?
That's only £2,500 in deposits for prizes worth around £2,000.

So they MUST have been expecting more than 50 people to enter, otherwise it just wouldn't make sense. to give that much away for only £2,500 in deposits

As it is they got £25,000+ worth of deposits for the same £2,000 worth of prizes.


How many of those 450+ people, who weren't even placed on the wheel, will ever deposit at Rizk again????

That's what Rizk should be thinking about. Not what they've saved in extra prizes and the £25,000+ they gained in deposits.

BUT how much they'll lose in deposits from those people, in the week, months and years to come.

 

[sueyh]

There were always a set number of prizes irrespective of the number of entries.

I do sometimes raffles. The last one was 1000 spins at 20 x 50. As it happened almost everyone that entered won because there were only 30 participants. Had there be 100, more wouldn't have gotten anything because the number of prizes wouldn't have increased.

Of course, there are always a set numbers of course, but if Nick wanted to, he can increase the number ob people who get the prize easily.

If what he promised first was that every ticket would be on the draw on live, and if he or the casino had to change the rule because of the number of the entry, they could make more changes to make the customers happy.

And I think this is not good for not just Nick, but for all the twitch streamer, I know a couple of people who is very reluctant to play slot online because unfortunately their first experience with online casino was with the rogue casino. I'm not saying Nick is a rogue affilate, but if I deposited money thinking I am going to watch the raffle draw where my ticket is part of it, and found out it is not, I would not be happy, and probably never deposit money again using an affilate.

In the end, what Nick gave away is not a charity, it is a kind of reward for his customers, and the raffle is a kind of a marketing tool.

A marketing method that made customers really unhappy, I don't think that is smart.

Also I think Rizk should be less blamed than Nick, but the casino could done more here too.

 

[interlog]

Of course, there are always a set numbers of course, but if Nick wanted to, he can increase the number ob people who get the prize easily.

If what he promised first was that every ticket would be on the draw on live, and if he or the casino had to change the rule because of the number of the entry, they could make more changes to make the customers happy.

And I think this is not good for not just Nick, but for all the twitch streamer, I know a couple of people who is very reluctant to play slot online because unfortunately their first experience with online casino was with the rogue casino. I'm not saying Nick is a rogue affilate, but if I deposited money thinking I am going to watch the raffle draw where my ticket is part of it, and found out it is not, I would not be happy, and probably never deposit money again using an affilate.

In the end, what Nick gave away is not a charity, it is a kind of reward for his customers, and the raffle is a kind of a marketing tool.

A marketing method that made customers really unhappy, I don't think that is smart.

Also I think Rizk should be less blamed than Nick, but the casino could done more here too.

I don't agree with all of your points.

I would compare it to going to bingo. The more people that play the less chance of you winning. The more people that participate doesn't mean that there are going to be more winners.

This raffle was the same. I don't think he promised each entry would be in the live draw but I stand corrected on this. What he did say is that each 50 deposit would mean one entry and that didn't change throughout.

The casino acknowledged it could have been done better and if you were to ask Nick now he may well agree with it too.

 

[brianmon]

I don't agree with all of your points.

I would compare it to going to bingo. The more people that play the less chance of you winning. The more people that participate doesn't mean that there are going to be more winners.

Not a very good analogy

This would be more like going to the bingo, buying tickets, then being told there are only 50 seats.
So we'll pick 50 people at random, and everyone else can go home.

Plus bingo prizes are based on a percentage of the income. so if they did magically extend the room to accommodate everyone, there may not be more winners. But the prizes would be bigger

 

[spintee]

I don't agree with all of your points.

I would compare it to going to bingo. The more people that play the less chance of you winning. The more people that participate doesn't mean that there are going to be more winners.

This raffle was the same. I don't think he promised each entry would be in the live draw but I stand corrected on this. What he did say is that each 50 deposit would mean one entry and that didn't change throughout.

The casino acknowledged it could have been done better and if you were to ask Nick now he may well agree with it too.

Not a very good analogy

This would be more like going to the bingo, buying tickets, then being told there are only 50 seats.
So we'll pick 50 people at random, and everyone else can go home.

Plus bingo prizes are based on a percentage of the income. so if they did magically extend the room to accommodate everyone, there may not be more winners. But the prizes would be bigger

Its even a worse analogy, Sorry interlog

Its like going to bingo buying tickets and than being told that your room is getting shut of but we will let you know if you win, Now if you had known that to begin with than you would go to another bingo place (streamer / casino) Than moaning to the manager than getting barred.

Yes the out come is not going to change who wins if it was done correct, But its the principle of being shut off and being told after the fact,

Ok so we might of been told that some rooms may be cut of but only after we bought tickets and sat down,

I do not think there has been any arguments about it being rigged as we know RizkCasino is sweet, Its the fact of what went on, I had nothing to do with it but looking at it from a players POV I would be pissed also

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Why did they not just use the RNG picker that is used for all other raffles then everyone could be listed and a winner picked live very easily.

 

[sueyh]

I don't agree with all of your points.

I would compare it to going to bingo. The more people that play the less chance of you winning. The more people that participate doesn't mean that there are going to be more winners.

This raffle was the same. I don't think he promised each entry would be in the live draw but I stand corrected on this. What he did say is that each 50 deposit would mean one entry and that didn't change throughout.

The casino acknowledged it could have been done better and if you were to ask Nick now he may well agree with it too.

I'm not saying more people that participate should mean more winners.

I'm saying there are many ways Nick and casino could done better, and more winners is one of example I'm suggesting.

This is a raffle ticket to promote the casino and the affiliate. He had this raffle event to make the casino and himself get more money, in other word, it is a business not a friendly give away like Harry did on his VS marathon event.

What I'm saying is OP was his customer and I think he was not treated as. I understand why they had to choose 50 tickets from all the entries, but OP has a valid complaint I believe, if he had an impression that all the tickets would be on the live draw, Nick and the casino share some responsibilities with not so clear T&C.

All I'm saying is it was not smart from Nick & Rizk views to make a customer upset when they could done better, and just shutting the customer off like this is not a good way to do business when Nick & Rizk share some responsibilities for this misunderstanding, and someone who got burnt by one affiliate wouldn't use another affiliate when they can deposit without affiliate with no problem.

 

[interlog]

Not a very good analogy

This would be more like going to the bingo, buying tickets, then being told there are only 50 seats.
So we'll pick 50 people at random, and everyone else can go home.

Plus bingo prizes are based on a percentage of the income. so if they did magically extend the room to accommodate everyone, there may not be more winners. But the prizes would be bigger

There first bit is not the case because at the end nobody was turned away. Everybody had an equal chance if winning.

I have been to bingo before and the prizes for 1 line, 2 lines and a full house were the same each week despite the number of people playing different each week. I am talking about Gala a few years ago.

 

[brianmon]

There first bit is not the case because at the end nobody was turned away. Everybody had an equal chance if winning.

I have been to bingo before and the prizes for 1 line, 2 lines and a full house were the same each week despite the number of people playing different each week. I am talking about Gala a few years ago.

Erm... It's EXACTLY the case

500+ people went to play bingo, and bought their tickets.
But there was only 50 seats to to play.
So 500+ names were put into a draw
50 names got to play bingo and the rest were sent home

500+ people deposited £50 to be entered in a raffle.
But there was only 50 places for the 'live event'.
So 500+ names were put into a draw
50 names got to play in the live draw and the rest got nothing

where's the difference??

 

[interlog]

Erm... It's EXACTLY right.

500+ people went to play bingo, and bought their tickets.
But there was only 50 seats to to play.
So 500+ names were put into a draw
50 names got to play bingo and the rest were sent home

500+ people deposited £50 to be entered in a raffle.
But there was only 50 places for the 'live event'.
So 500+ names were put into a draw
50 names got to play in the live draw and the rest got nothing

where's the difference??

I disagree

There are 500 names each written on a piece of paper. I take one out and say you didn't win and carry on until the last name who I declare the winner.

Everybody had the same chance despite there being 500 draws.

 

[brianmon]

I disagree

There are 500 names each written on a piece of paper. I take one out and say you didn't win and carry on until the last name who I declare the winner.

Everybody had the same chance despite there being 500 draws.

That's not addressing my disagreement with your bingo analogy.

But if you want to do it this way....

There are 500 names each written on a piece of paper. I take one out and say you didn't win and carry on until the last 50 names who I declare, will now be entered into a draw where you can actually win something

 

[interlog]

That's not addressing my disagreement with your bingo analogy.

But if you want to do it this way....

There are 500 names each written on a piece of paper. I take one out and say you didn't win and carry on until the last 50 names who I declare, will now be entered into a draw where you can actually win something

My Bingo analogy was about the prize pool and that it doesn't change whether 500 or 600 people play from experience years ago playing bingo at Gala.

Regarding your second point everybody still had the same chance of winning right at the start and that made the raffle fair irrespective of how this one was conducted

 

[brianmon]

My Bingo analogy was about the prize pool and that it doesn't change whether 500 or 600 people play from experience years ago playing bingo at Gala.

Regarding your second point everybody still had the same chance of winning right at the start and that made the raffle fair irrespective of how this one was conducted

OK, if you want to reference it to 'gala bingo a few years ago' then fair enough.

500 people paid to play at Gala bingo. 500 played bingo, the prizes are the same and everyone had the same one chance to win. perfect


Except what happened was...

500 people paid to play at Gala bingo
but then it was announced that there were actually only 50 seats
so 500 names were put in a hat in the managers office and the first 50 names drawn, got to play bingo.
The other 450 didn't, even though they'd paid their entry fee.
50 people had 2 chances to win and 450 people had 1 chance to win

 

[interlog]

OK, if you want to reference it to 'gala bingo a few years ago' then fair enough.

500 people paid to play at Gala bingo. 500 played bingo, the prizes are the same and everyone had one chance to win. perfect


Except what happened was...

500 people paid to play at Gala bingo
but then it was announced that there were actually only 50 seats
so 500 names were put in a hat in the managers office and the first 50 names drawn, got to play bingo.
The other 450 didn't, even though they'd paid their entry fee.

But your can't compare it because Bingo is not a raffle. I compared Bingo with the prize pool in response to a post from Sue who said that perhaps more prizes should have been made available as entrants increased.

Whether the winner was picked first or by process of elimination everybody had the same chance

 

[brianmon]

But your can't compare it because Bingo is not a raffle. I compared Bingo with the prize pool in response to a post from Sue who said that perhaps more prizes should have been made available as entrants increased.

Whether the winner was picked first or by process of elimination everybody had the same chance

And apart from 'gala a few years ago'. most full houses at bingo (online or offline) are a percentage of the total purchases. So the more tickets bought, the bigger the prize money

 

[brianmon]

the point is..

Why didn't someone think
'oh we've had £25,000 in deposits for this draw. Much more than we were expecting, But we've only got 50 places on the wheel. let's announce that we're doing 3 or maybe 4 identical draws, and do them over 3 or 4 days. print the names up on screen, and get Nick to use random.org to chose the winners' ???

result, everyone's VERY happy

"it's not rocket science"

 

[interlog]

And apart from 'gala a few years ago'. most full houses at bingo (online or offline) are a percentage of the total purchases. So the more tickets bought, the bigger thee prize money

But a lesser chance of winning because the number of prizes are the same. It would be like Nick giving away bigger prizes as entrants increased. That was the point I was perhaps poorly trying to make when the poster said that perhaps more prizes should have been given and I compared it to Bingo

 

[interlog]

the point is..

Why didn't someone think
'oh we've had £25,000 in deposits for this draw. Much more than we were expecting, But we've only got 50 places on the wheel. let's announce that we're doing 3 or maybe 4 identical draws, and do them over 3 or 4 days. print the names up on screen, and get Nick to use random.org to chose the winners' ???

result, everyone's VERY happy

"it's not rocket science"

Flip side... oh shit we only have 5 entrants.... let's knock it on the head or give out crappy prizes instead. That would have caused uproar too.

At the end of the day you would have thought and hoped that those that deposited to participate would have otherwise deposited at another casino that day else more fool for them to spend £50 they otherwise wouldn't have spent in the hope of winning some prize. In other words, you got an entry to a raffle and a chance of winning a prize you wouldn't have had if you deposited at casino X, Y or Z.

 

[colinsunderland]

What I don't understand, and would make me suspicious, not withstanding the question of the legality of the draw, why didn't they do the whole draw live. There are numerous sites that offer random number generators, which you can input a lot more than 50 numbers. So why limit the live draw to 50? Rizk apparently made a draw for the 50 places, so it was perfectly possible to have a draw with over 50 entrants, and why was this not either recorded and played on the stream to show it was done fairly done, or done live. If I was running this, it is what I would have done, even without this thread. The draw was supposed to be live, it wasn't.

I hope the Captain comes back and updates what the legal team have said as I would be interested to see the response, if nothing else, to see if my interpretation of the law was correct.

 

[sueyh]

At the end of the day you would have thought and hoped that those that deposited to participate would have otherwise deposited at another casino that day else more fool for them to spend £50 they otherwise wouldn't have spent in the hope of winning some prize. In other words, you got an entry to a raffle and a chance of winning a prize you wouldn't have had if you deposited at casino X, Y or Z.

That is something you don't know for sure. A few years ago, I made a deposit just because the casino I played at ran something similar to the raffle ticket. The player could get a ticket for every $100 deposit or $100 wagering something like that. I made that deposit just because I wanted to part of it.

and another thing is, the op could made a deposit to a different casino with a nice bonus like 100% bonus could given him more play time or maybe possible of nice winning, or the op could made a deposit to VS,-and sometimes even though you don't win big, you could play hours with that $50 which gives you nice amount of money in casino race and cashback that the op could used next week.

At the end of the day, when the customer spend money, he has every right to know exactly what he is going to get with that money.
And in this case, OP didn't get the full information, I think that was half OP's fault and the other half is on Nick & Rizk.

 

[SpinUk]

What I don't understand, and would make me suspicious, not withstanding the question of the legality of the draw, why didn't they do the whole draw live. There are numerous sites that offer random number generators, which you can input a lot more than 50 numbers. So why limit the live draw to 50? Rizk apparently made a draw for the 50 places, so it was perfectly possible to have a draw with over 50 entrants, and why was this not either recorded and played on the stream to show it was done fairly done, or done live. If I was running this, it is what I would have done, even without this thread. The draw was supposed to be live, it wasn't.

I hope the Captain comes back and updates what the legal team have said as I would be interested to see the response, if nothing else, to see if my interpretation of the law was correct.

I think youll be in for a long wait, it was clearly a breach of UK law, notwithstanding the argument that Nick Slots is acting as an agent of Rizk, however they have already distanced themselves from that by saying thats not the case.

Interestingly Nick seems to have moved back to Casumo since the incident....

 

[colinsunderland]

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I think youll be in for a long wait, it was clearly a breach of UK law, notwithstanding the argument that Nick Slots is acting as an agent of Rizk, however they have already distanced themselves from that by saying thats not the case.

Interestingly Nick seems to have moved back to Casumo since the incident....

I would like to think they will, any decent casino would come back and update on something like this, and I believe Rizk are a decent casino. As they have already stated it wasn't ran under their license, even if they do agree it was illegal they won't get into trouble for it.

Find it strange Nickslots hasn't commented on this, sign of guilt?

 

[Borgie]

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I think youll be in for a long wait, it was clearly a breach of UK law, notwithstanding the argument that Nick Slots is acting as an agent of Rizk, however they have already distanced themselves from that by saying thats not the case.

Interestingly Nick seems to have moved back to Casumo since the incident....

I am wondering as he has maintained that he hasn't been streaming Rizk due to the laggy slots yet his followers keep telling him Rizk hasn't lagged for weeks which he seems to ignore. Guess we will see if he returns at all !

 

[interlog]

That is something you don't know for sure. A few years ago, I made a deposit just because the casino I played at ran something similar to the raffle ticket. The player could get a ticket for every $100 deposit or $100 wagering something like that. I made that deposit just because I wanted to part of it.

and another thing is, the op could made a deposit to a different casino with a nice bonus like 100% bonus could given him more play time or maybe possible of nice winning, or the op could made a deposit to VS,-and sometimes even though you don't win big, you could play hours with that $50 which gives you nice amount of money in casino race and cashback that the op could used next week.

At the end of the day, when the customer spend money, he has every right to know exactly what he is going to get with that money.
And in this case, OP didn't get the full information, I think that was half OP's fault and the other half is on Nick & Rizk.

But that is the choice the player makes. It is no different to me having £50 to spend today and getting 5 different offers from casinos. I make a choice which is the better offer.

As an example, when I do raffles and there is a requirement that a deposit needs to be made in order to participate, I always say at some point that you should only participate if you were going to spend that money elsewhere as you potentially get something extra you wouldn't necessarily get elsewhere. I make it also clear not to deposit for the sake of the chance of winning a few free spins if you were not going to make a deposit today.

 

[SpinUk]

I would like to think they will, any decent casino would come back and update on something like this, and I believe Rizk are a decent casino. As they have already stated it wasn't ran under their license, even if they do agree it was illegal they won't get into trouble for it.

Find it strange Nickslots hasn't commented on this, sign of guilt?

They put up the prizes, which pretty much negates them keeping it at arms length. Agreed its a good casino and good platform, just think this should have been handled better in pretty much every way.

 

[spintee]

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I think youll be in for a long wait, it was clearly a breach of UK law, notwithstanding the argument that Nick Slots is acting as an agent of Rizk, however they have already distanced themselves from that by saying thats not the case.

Interestingly Nick seems to have moved back to Casumo since the incident....

I seen that too

I would like to think they will, any decent casino would come back and update on something like this, and I believe Rizk are a decent casino. As they have already stated it wasn't ran under their license, even if they do agree it was illegal they won't get into trouble for it.

Find it strange Nickslots hasn't commented on this, sign of guilt?

Just plain arrogant's mate, He could not give a shitt

I am wondering as he has maintained that he hasn't been streaming Rizk due to the laggy slots yet his followers keep telling him Rizk hasn't lagged for weeks which he seems to ignore. Guess we will see if he returns at all !

Yep, Take note that most streamers are there for there own benefit. If that means getting one over on a casino for all the perks than thats what they do.

I do not blame them as there trying to make cash but I do feel bad for some casino's. The reps from VS went over and beyond they needed for one stream there it was good by from streamer.

Like I said I have nothing against this. 99% of the streamers are affiliates and trying to make it work, just do it the right way. You cannot blame any one for trying to make some cash. This is where people get confused. Yes it can be fun to whach or could be like whaching paint dry to others. But it is and always will be business on the streamers side.

 

[interlog]

I seen that too



Just plain arrogant's mate, He could not give a shitt



Yep, Take note that most streamers are there for there own benefit. If that means getting one over on a casino for all the perks than thats what they do.

I do not blame them as there trying to make cash but I do feel bad for some casino's. The reps from VS went over and beyond they needed for one stream there it was good by from streamer.

Like I said I have nothing against this. 99% of the streamers are affiliates and trying to make it work, just do it the right way. You cannot blame any one for trying to make some cash. This is where people get confused. Yes it can be fun to whach or could be like whaching paint dry to others. But it is and always will be business on the streamers side.

Some good points but it is not quite as simple as that. For me, since I have been streaming, I have been contacted by a number of casinos asking whether I want to stream for them. For casinos, it is a great way to get some advertising and they are quite accommodating towards a streamer.

I see it more as a two way process rather than an one sided one. Both parties hope to benefit from it.