rushmore said that im not welcome here

[KasinoKing]

nifty you never miss a chance to be on the casino side...do you?

With all due respect, I don't think Nifty or WinBig are "on the casino's side", but on logic's side.

We ALL know casino games have a house edge (in the case of RTG slots, about 5%), and so if you keep on playing indefinitely you WILL lose - it's as certain as the sun setting every evening.

So just saying "I made 100 deposits and only one cashout, so what's the RTP?" is a meaningless point unless further details are given.
e.g. You can't calculate the RTP just from deposits and withdrawals (or lack of them ), you need to know how much you wagered and how much you lost.

Similarly the question "how many times could you have cashed out?" is equally valid given my first statement above. Another important factor is did you take a bonus with any/all of your deposits? This obviously effects your chances of being in a position to cash out as you need to meet the WRs first.

All the best,
KK

 

[kakata]

With all due respect, I don't think Nifty or WinBig are "on the casino's side", but on logic's side.

We ALL know casino games have a house edge (in the case of RTG slots, about 5%), and so if you keep on playing indefinitely you WILL lose - it's as certain as the sun setting every evening.

So just saying "I made 100 deposits and only one cashout, so what's the RTP?" is a meaningless point unless further details are given.
e.g. You can't calculate the RTP just from deposits and withdrawals (or lack of them ), you need to know how much you wagered and how much you lost.

Similarly the question "how many times could you have cashed out?" is equally valid given my first statement above. Another important factor is did you take a bonus with any/all of your deposits? This obviously effects your chances of being in a position to cash out as you need to meet the WRs first.

All the best,
KK

I wish I did....I wouldnt be complaining....the fact is that I NEVER had a long session....maybe in the beginning ( 2008 )...not anymore after that.
I went broke always in a matter of minutes(20/30)
Lots of bonuses...yes I did take em...is it a sin?
Free chips....once...with a 74x wagering requirementand max cashout.
Every time someone...not just me...posts against a casino has to be prepared to defend himself....on an " how you dare to"...from the casino's heros.
There are few on board.
Im not scared tho...so keep it coming.
the thing is that some of you know that all of sudden I explode( and use it to provoke my reaction))...and than you can get free of kakata's complains.
If thats what you need to make you happy.....what a poor life you must have.

 

[rockycatt]

yes i did....just couple.... and for very small amounts....(150)
I was waiting for some casino's Ivanhoe to come...


nifty you never miss a chance to be on the casino side...do you?

i needed to look it up :notworthy

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[oldtrvlagt]

I'm not "siding" with either but I could say the same thing about a couple of RTG casinos and a few more Rivals. What I've learned over the years is to just give it up after a certain point. I'm not going to win at XYZ casino so I move on. There was so much praise about Slotocash I tried for a year and a half and had only two cashouts...I uninstalled...it wasn't meant for me. I try a new one and bam..after afew deposits I cashout. It's just the nature of gambling as I'm sure you are well aware.

The major problem is that when you take a bonus look at the playthrough. If you are betting $.20 and $.40 you are going to have a much harder time hitting something large enough to carry you over the dry spell and make it through the WR. I have done it many times and the least amount I bet is $1 a spin. I need (hypothetically a WR of $5000) to hit something large and then get really lucky...anyone does. Most of the time you are better off NOT taking a bonus so you do not lose that possible cashout.

Losing sucks...but when we figure out why it sometimes helps...just my 2 cents nothing more....good luck!

 

[kakata]

I start betting little instead and if I win something noticeable I do upper my bet....thing is... it never happened at this casino....maybe once or two in a long long long time.(over 2 years)

 

[kakata]

....and they are NOT accredited anymore....

 

[Nifty29]

yes i did....just couple.... and for very small amounts....(150)
I was waiting for some casino's Ivanhoe to come...


nifty you never miss a chance to be on the casino side...do you?

Ummm...WTH??

I didnt even post anything! I thanked someone whose opinion made logical sense!

Kakata you need to calm down a bit and stop taking comments or opinions about an issue as a personal attack (not that I actually made one in this thread)

The main reason you havent been in a position to cash out is because you almost always take bonuses - and no, it isnt a 'sin' to do that but it means that you probably were in a position to cashout many times but it was eaten away by wagering requirements. If you want to cashout whenever you like, then dont take bonuses. I can personally attest to being in a much better financial position after deciding to severely restrict my use of bonuses.

Sounds like gambling isnt fun for you anymore.

But what would I know? Im just chillin' and shillin' as always

 

[kakata]

Ummm...WTH??

I didnt even post anything! I thanked someone whose opinion made logical sense!

Kakata you need to calm down a bit and stop taking comments or opinions about an issue as a personal attack (not that I actually made one in this thread)

The main reason you havent been in a position to cash out is because you almost always take bonuses - and no, it isnt a 'sin' to do that but it means that you probably were in a position to cashout many times but it was eaten away by wagering requirements. If you want to cashout whenever you like, then dont take bonuses. I can personally attest to being in a much better financial position after deciding to severely restrict my use of bonuses.

Sounds like gambling isnt fun for you anymore.

But what would I know? Im just chillin' and shillin' as always

with or withouth bonuses..I Never had chances...never....

..and you very well know what I mean...
I have not even a hair of an idiot...so dont even try to treat me like one....

Use your speaking/writing ability( you do have) with someone else...or lets speak Italian or Spanish.OKAY??

...and about finance position...I never said I was in trouble....Im not cuz i do not lose as much as you think I do.
If you are interested ask KK. I signed up few times at his site...he never made profits on me.;...., or very little.
Im not a loser...what you usually call ppl who do complain....

 

[Nifty29]

with or withouth bonuses..I Never had chances...never....

..and you very well know what I mean...
I have not even a hair of an idiot...so dont even try to treat me like one....

Use your speaking/writing ability( you do have) with someone else...or lets speak Italian or Spanish.OKAY??

How was I treating you like an idiot? Or suggesting you were an idiot?

As for the comment about my writing ability - whats all that about?? Why would I try to speak another language here when it is an English language forum?

If you feel you have a valid argument, and that language is the only barrier to you expressing it, why not post in Italian etc and have someone translate it?

Lots of bonuses...yes I did take em

If this is true, then you most likely didnt have the chance to cashout very often - but this is due to the fact you locked yourself in to wagering requirements by taking the bonus. You cant blame the casino for your own choices. You also said there were a few times you could have cashed out but didnt - so again, it was your choice.

Honestly kakata, try not taking bonuses for a month or two and I would be very surprised if you werent in a position to cashout much more often than at present. Of course, what you do when you make it to that position is up to you.

When I see players say they lose 50 or 100 deposits in a row it really floors me - it is very rarely that I dont cashout at least once in every 5-10 deposits. So, that either makes me consistently incredibly lucky over a period of years, or it says something about how I gamble/manage my bankroll compared to others. It doesnt mean Im a hero or anything, but obviously Im doing something right. The only way I could see myself gambling differently would be if I was addicted - as all control and logic goes out the window and feelings of anger and frustration get in the way of reason. If I ever come to that point, you wont be seeing me for dust. When it stops being enjoyable, it stops being worthwhile IMO.

 

[chuchu59]

My 2c worth.

Nifty does side with the casinos occasionally but always backs up his arguments with valid reasoning so I dont see problems with it.

We should try to understand that not all players are analytical. Some are sentimental and if there are a lot of losing sessions/deposits in succession they get frustrated. It can be easily seen from the live chat that Emma was very unprofessional as she seemed to indicate that Kakata didnt know what he was doing. As I said previously, just send the frigging stats and be done with instead of arguing with the customer. If I were unable to get my stats at the cashier and the support staff goes technical despite my pleas I would be pissed off too.

 

[Jasminebed]

I often find that I get much better results for requests of deposit histories or RTPs via email.

RTGs tend to be a little confusing in that most deposits are requested, then approved, and then bonus requested and bonus added, so one deposit takes 4 or more lines usually. Sometimes a coupon that should be active isn't and you are given a different code, and can end up with 8 lines for a deposit. You also don't get a lot on one page either.

I figure the casino has more customers than I have casinos, it should be easy for them to retrieve it upon request.

Kakata, keep your cool, I'd hate to lose you again here at CM.

 

[RedAndi]

Why does Rushmore always seem to be the subject when peeps are really pissy? Lately that seems to be the case at least.
Seems like many are not happy with this place and a few won't hear of it, period.

Did Kakata say they are no longer accredited? I wasn't sure if that's who he meant. (Never mind, went and found CM's post about why they are no longer on the "good" list).

 

[maxd]

For the record, see Rushmore removed from the Accredited Section.

 

[RobWin]

"you: emma u are full of **** Im amongst the older member at casinomeister

Emma: We have documentation from them to the contrary

you: ok"

Does no one else find this comment made by Emma strange or interesting?

What is the documentation that she is referring to that they have received from Casinomeister?

Why would Casinomeister be providing the Rushmore Group with any type of information on a member/player here?

Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?
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[LaurieJim]

"you: emma u are full of **** Im amongst the older member at casinomeister

Emma: We have documentation from them to the contrary

you: ok"

Does no one else find this comment made by Emma strange or interesting?

What is the documentation that she is referring to that they have received from Casinomeister?

Why would Casinomeister be providing the Rushmore Group with any type of information on a member/player here?

Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?
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I found that odd myself


Laurie


nevermind, now i know

 

[maxd]

What is the documentation that she is referring to that they have received from Casinomeister?

Not sure, could be pretty much anything. Kakata has had two PABs against Rushmore so we would have exchanged whatever info necessary in the pursuance of those cases.

Why would Casinomeister be providing the Rushmore Group with any type of information on a member/player here?

See above. Members file PABs. PABs get investigated. Investigation includes the exchange of information regarding the PABer between us and the casino in question. If that troubles you then I suggest you avoid the PAB process, because anyone who does use it signs off on us doing exactly this.

Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?

What shit __exactly__?

 

[LaurieJim]

ooppps, sorry didnt know about the two PAB's, that would explain alot and why they had the info on kakata.


Laurie

 

[jod5413]

"you: emma u are full of **** Im amongst the older member at casinomeister

Emma: We have documentation from them to the contrary

you: ok"

Does no one else find this comment made by Emma strange or interesting?

What is the documentation that she is referring to that they have received from Casinomeister?

Why would Casinomeister be providing the Rushmore Group with any type of information on a member/player here?

Why the phuck am I the only one that ever questions shit like this here?
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You are NOT the only one. You are simply the one that "never sleeps", which lets you catch stuff before the rest of us wake up in the morning!!!

 

[RobWin]

Not sure, could be pretty much anything. Kakata has had two PABs against Rushmore so we would have freely exchanged info in the pursuance of those cases.

What shit __exactly__?

What type of info exactly, how much of our private info here is being shared with the various casino groups being represented here?

Is this "info" only ever shared if one only agrees to a PAB process?

Or are there other times that info will be shared like for example the TonyT case with LockCasino for example?

I've never used the PAB process as far as I am aware, I think it's good for the ones that do use it but if I had to personally get someone else involved in order to get paid my money, I would go the open media route, that's just me though....
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[maxd]

What type of info exactly ....

Whatever is relevant to the case.

Get real Rob, how much of your personal info do we have here at CM? Your email address, some IP stuff, your sign-on date. This stuff very rarely has any relevance to a case but if it did, sure, it's on the table if needs be.

What's with the Mr. Investigator-Pants attitude here? Looks to me like you are trying to drum up controversy here and there ain't none.

... how much of our private info here is being shared with the various casino groups being represented here?

WTF?!? How desperate are you? We don't "share" info with anyone unless we're asked to investigate a case. Then we try and get what we need to make a decision. In pursuing a case we deal with the casino reps, be they casino people or whoever is the individual appointed by the casino to handle the case.

Is this "info" only ever shared if one only agrees to a PAB process?

Generally speaking, yes, but what "info" are you talking about? Your bank account balance? Your shoe size? Your porn preferences? Get a grip Rob, we don't have any special "info" to begin with so what are you getting all humpty about?

Or are there other times that info will be shared like for example the TonyT case with LockCasino for example?

In a special case like that, yes, as you well know and as was stated at the time. Tell you what Rob, when you start sending abusive and threatening emails to one of our Accred casinos then we'll share your "info" with them too. But not before because we've got better things to do!

... I would go the open media route, that's just me though....

Fill your boots, less work for me.

 

[Casinomeister]

Geeze Rob - why are you getting on my tits?

The PAB process has been around for a number of years. You submit a complaint, it's sent to the casino reps, and they respond (in most cases) with an answer. There is no information shared that the casino does not already have (name, email address, account #, etc.,) The only additional info that they receive is the complainer's user name in the forum - which I really don't think is a big deal since the casino probably knows this already. Edited to add: when you PAB, you agree that the submitted info will be shared with that casino entity. In the past nine years of having this service - no one has ever complained about this. No one.

Again, you are making more out of someone's statement than what is really there. Obviously Kakata has a history at this casino (two PABs) and a number of forum complaints. C'mon, I'm not sitting here in the background sending our members private information to the casinos.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

 

[maxd]

Paranoia will destroy ya.

Quite!

 

[chayton]

I signed up here so long ago I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure that most of the casinos I play at already have more private info than Casinomeister - actually now that I think about it, the casinos I've cashed out at have my driver's license so they know my age! Ack - they even know my WEIGHT!

 

[RobWin]

Geeze Rob - why are you getting on my tits?

Sorry man, not really trying to upset anyone's Chi or Qualm here. Just thought a little more clarification regarding Emma's statement would be good to have here, for all forum members. Thanks to both Max and yourself for clearing that up.
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[jetset]

I've just read the last two pages here and I have to say I'm astonished at the unwarranted implications cast by RobWin that something dastardly is going on to the detriment of CM members.

I would have thought that the first logical explanation for any exchange of information to spring to mind would be the PAB system, rather than immediately jumping to the negative and none too suble innuendo that was used.

I think Max has pretty much covered my own opinion on these posts, and that perhaps more restraint is necessary in the future when firing ill-considered broadsides like this, RobWin.