RTG-What's up with this?

[Mavin1]

Okay, being a person that likes to rant about RTG, I know I have no good grounds if I never play. So thought I would give it a dabble today and was surprised by this.
I have played this game over the years extensively and never saw this before.

I had to take a picture of the monitor as I couldn't get the right size through paint again.

 

[rockycatt]

Okay, being a person that likes to rant about RTG, I know I have no good grounds if I never play. So thought I would give it a dabble today and was surprised by this.
I have played this game over the years extensively and never saw this before.

I had to take a picture of the monitor as I couldn't get the right size through paint again.

were is it
ok isee it now slow loader lol it must be the mending tape at the ends of the rees lol

 

[just play]

What are we looking at? I never played that game before I don't think, what went wrong/right?


Is it the 2 blue helmets on the second line?

 

[marcsudbury]

you know what? that's funny, last night when i was playing fruit frenzy at win palce i saw 2 pears on the same reel and thought the same thing, i have never seen this before.

 

[Mavin1]

Yes, it's the two blue helmets on the same reel. Just as the two pears, this should not be.

Should it??????

 

[RobWin]

Yes, it's the two blue helmets on the same reel. Just as the two pears, this should not be.

Should it??????

Sure it can be...that would just simply be one way that the RTP could be adjusted...
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[Mavin1]

Not sure what you are meaning RobWin, could you elaborate, please?

This is on the RS slot Golden Glove.

 

[RobWin]

Not sure what you are meaning RobWin, could you elaborate, please?

This is on the RS slot Golden Glove.

By changing the reel strip layouts on the game or games, it will also alter the RTP (Return To Player), depending on how it is changed it could alter in your favor or against your favor.

You will not always see the double symbols stacked like that at all RTG Casinos and also not on all of the slots either.

Play some of the other RTG Casinos just in fun mode and you will see what I am saying as you will not notice that on all of them.

What casino was this on? From your picture above.
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[kakata]

I think was Inetbet....wasnt it?

 

[Mavin1]

I am playing at Inetbet, this is where the screenshot is from today. I have been playing several other games and have not seen this duplication on them, yet.
However as in the other thread that is currently running, the play so far has been extremely poor.

 

[marcsudbury]

mine was at win palce and i have taken thousand upon thousdands of spins and never seen this before in the 10 years i've been playing.

 

[Vegasbum]

Mavin
I just don't understand you. After all the negitive you had to say, you then go ahead and make another deposit at an RTG casino.

Here is just a couple of your quotes about RTG platforms:

But for the die hard that still believe that RTG is the greatest thing that's come along, might as well just start sending them your paychecks in a gift box with a bow.

and you also said:
How dumb can we be, or how dumb do they take us for.
So log on to your banking, open a savings account just for when you want to play, then everytime you are thinking of dropping some money into an RTG casino, put it in the savings account instead. I'm sure that in no time you will see you have created your own Random Jackpot and didn't have to compete with anyone for it, nor watch it go to someone else

Mavin, I am not picking on you but just pointing out the obvious and that is, no matter how much people bitch about RTG....they still come back and send them more money. You are not alone as most who bitch are the regular depositors.
I myself play RTG but I don't complain. I except the risk and do it my own way when gambling. It just frustrates me that those who say RTG is rigged...fixed...or whatever are the ones who keep depositing

 

[Mavin1]

It is my perogative to see if things are still as bad as they were the last time I played. And finding an adjustment to the reel layouts, only solidifies the fact that things are being changed that are affecting peoples return.

So I would appreciate this thread not being turned into a Mavin thing, I am only posting this to help get to the bottom of what has been a very long time problem with RTG.

I could have easily not posted it nor said anything if I were still constantly playing RTG. Which I am not and this is the first time in months that I have.

Changes to the reel layout is in my opinion a serious issue, not my rants.

 

[vinylweatherman]

This has been confirmed as the way RTG casinos flip the slots between the 2 or 3 RTP settings available. The two pears was a silly mistake made when the game was designed. It was a mistake only because it made it OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that a change had been made to the RTP. The second reel on Golden Glove also seems to have been changed in a similar way, and although the duplicated symbols are not adjacent, they are separated only by one symbol, meaning there is still ONE stop on the second reel when it is again OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that the slot is now running on an atypical RTP setting other than the default 95% one that comes as standard when RTG casinos are implemented.

The reason that players have "never seen this in x years of playing" is that until recently, these RTP settings were NOT IN USE because operators stuck with the standard 95% RTP setting that players expected.

The lower setting is 91%, and the higher one is 97.5%. 91% is supposedly ONLY used for land based kiosk versions of the game, so we are supposed to believe one of 3 things.

1) The slots have been moved UP to 97.5% from 95%
2) The slots USED to be 97.5%, but have recently been moved down to 95%
3) We have been lied to, and the 91% setting is NOT only being used for kiosks, but online too.

 

[chuchu59]

Mavin
I just don't understand you. After all the negitive you had to say, you then go ahead and make another deposit at an RTG casino.

Here is just a couple of your quotes about RTG platforms:

But for the die hard that still believe that RTG is the greatest thing that's come along, might as well just start sending them your paychecks in a gift box with a bow.

and you also said:
How dumb can we be, or how dumb do they take us for.
So log on to your banking, open a savings account just for when you want to play, then everytime you are thinking of dropping some money into an RTG casino, put it in the savings account instead. I'm sure that in no time you will see you have created your own Random Jackpot and didn't have to compete with anyone for it, nor watch it go to someone else

Mavin, I am not picking on you but just pointing out the obvious and that is, no matter how much people bitch about RTG....they still come back and send them more money. You are not alone as most who bitch are the regular depositors.
I myself play RTG but I don't complain. I except the risk and do it my own way when gambling. It just frustrates me that those who say RTG is rigged...fixed...or whatever are the ones who keep depositing

This is the very nature of gamblers. Addiction. If only it were so easy to find a replacement for gambling. I have lost count of the number of times I told myself I wont spend another dime on it only to renege on it days or even hours later. Ranting, to a certain extent, leads to less frustration.

Normally, I only complain about the table games especially paigow poker at RTG but there seem to be a host of complainants on the RTP with regard to the slots and I am proud to be among them.

There are many ways that the RTP can be lowered and adding a low-paying symbol to the first or second reels is definitely one of them. So Fruit Frenzy and Golden Glove have been sort of tampered with in this respect. Could this have happened to other slots? Definitely. However, this is only one of a multitude of methods to decrease the RTP.

A lot of my RTG slots play is at Diamond Dozen and I can confidently tell you that the RTP has been lowered in the past few months.

1/ I have encountered many sessions where there were no features in 300 spins. Okay, that happens so we move on.

2/ The blue diamonds act as scatters but can only be activated if they count from left to right. 3 Blue Diamonds activate the 12 free spins whereas 2 of them pay 2x your total bet. I have no problems with the former but there is a distinct lack of 2 scatters. Given that there are 2 blue diamonds in each of the first 2 reels, it seems funny that they only appear together very rarely. The lack of these scatter wins decrease the RTP to some extent especially in the long run.

3/ The white diamonds feature pays you x times your bet amount and the feature is activated when 3 or more white diamonds appear anywhere on the screen. X is determined through the multiplication of the number generated in each of the white diamonds eg if the white diamonds show 2,3, and 4 the feature pays 24 times the original bet (2x3x4). Naturally, the 2s and 3s occur most frequently whereas 9 and 10 and even 1 are rare. However, in the past few months, over more than 10K spins, there were hardly any features with the higher paying numbers. In my last session alone, $50 was wiped out at $0.20 spins because the features that I got (around 20) never paid much. The 60+ white diamonds all had a value of 2 or 3. Nothing else.

I am sure many of us have encountered something different at other slots. Since people want details, why not post them here. I applaud Mavin for posting it here and hope others will follow. I am not on a crusade against RTG but dont want them to think we are all stupid. Revelations on how they have reduced the RTP at individual slots is a start.

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1: It is my perogative to see if things are still as bad as they were the last time I played. And finding an adjustment to the reel layouts, only solidifies the fact that things are being changed that are affecting peoples return.

So I would appreciate this thread not being turned into a Mavin thing, I am only posting this to help get to the bottom of what has been a very long time problem with RTG.

I could have easily not posted it nor said anything if I were still constantly playing RTG. Which I am not and this is the first time in months that I have.

Changes to the reel layout is in my opinion a serious issue, not my rants.

I agree totally with this statement Mavin has made. I. too, play a very few dollars a month anymore just to see if anything has returned to the normal I used to know.

It just frustrates me that those who say RTG is rigged...fixed...or whatever are the ones who keep depositing

Why is this so wrong even if we feel things have "changed" and continue to give our impression of things as we test it out every once in a while

I know for a fact, reading this board (forum) has stopped me from doing some really dumb things because there have been many that stated the same issues...that saved me headaches and heartaches..

If I was a new player...I would heed others that used to be a regular depositor that stopped depositing all together except for crumbs...

This is what this place is for..to state the obvious to others that one feels...regardless of proof...and to save them the grief we are learning that has been going on for the last few years..

Look at the fact that more casinos are now getting their finger caught in the cookie jar when so many players that believe casinos are actually legit and "claimed" they were wonderful, great etc etc, above board and what have you, then BANG...You find they actually were cheaters...where are the players that backed these casinos now??

So yes, I agree totally with testing these places with the minimum number of deposits with the minimum amount in real play until I find they have returned to the norm which will be MY norm..because I know in my heart and gut they HAVE changed for the worse whether you believe it or not...and I will continue to help players be safe and avoid money suckers from getting a hold of them and bleed them dry..this is not only RTG's, but many other platforms now...

Just because we beleive they have gone bad does not mean we have to stop testing them...as we see fit. It IS our money...after all.

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[felicie]

Sorry but I've got to say this. Maybe next time when a few of us start 'feeling' the difference that is going on, maybe some will not scoff and instead pay a little more attention because by the time proof gets here I would be totally out of money if I was still playing RTGs.

 

[takethemoney]

This has been confirmed as the way RTG casinos flip the slots between the 2 or 3 RTP settings available. The two pears was a silly mistake made when the game was designed. It was a mistake only because it made it OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that a change had been made to the RTP. The second reel on Golden Glove also seems to have been changed in a similar way, and although the duplicated symbols are not adjacent, they are separated only by one symbol, meaning there is still ONE stop on the second reel when it is again OBVIOUS TO PLAYERS that the slot is now running on an atypical RTP setting other than the default 95% one that comes as standard when RTG casinos are implemented.

The reason that players have "never seen this in x years of playing" is that until recently, these RTP settings were NOT IN USE because operators stuck with the standard 95% RTP setting that players expected.

The lower setting is 91%, and the higher one is 97.5%. 91% is supposedly ONLY used for land based kiosk versions of the game, so we are supposed to believe one of 3 things.

1) The slots have been moved UP to 97.5% from 95%
2) The slots USED to be 97.5%, but have recently been moved down to 95%
3) We have been lied to, and the 91% setting is NOT only being used for kiosks, but online too.

Im now convinced that those settings are not the only ones available and will remain a secret. There is no other explanation for the way these games are playing for us lately. I have uninstalled all RTG casinos. I will pay attention and see what others report and if they start paying a respectable return again I may try it, but for now, all are done, as far as I am concerned. I know in my heart of hearts I gave adequate play to reach this conclusion.

 

[DogBoy001]

Heyas,

Dropped in by special request to comment on this thread.

"I have played this game over the years extensively and never saw this before" Mavin1?
On average you'd see this every 40 spins or so, so something's smells off with that statement, as I'd point out that 2 Helmets on reel 2 has been around since the game was first brought out, and on all RTP variants of the game this is the same.

Now before various parties charge me with misinformation, some easy proof from another review site:
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Review date listed 26 May, 2006
As luck would have it, note the still shot of the video.

And having fulfilled this request, once again adieu.

Woooof

 

[Lucky Loser]

Clearly the US economy is in trouble and so too are RTG casinos. When people have to reduce spending luxuries like gambling generally get cut first.

I think its likely RTG casinos are experiencing a big drop in revenue and have to cut costs to keep profits intact. Inetbet reducing its free game try out chips from $5 to $3 is a good example of this.

The easiset way to cut spending is to reduce the RTP to players. Whether the casino is allowed to unilaterally change the RTP will depend on the commercial agreement with RTG and software in place. I would be very surprised if they cannot.

It will be interesting to see what Inetbet's slot return for 2010 is. In 2009 it was only 94.33%. The high was in 2001 when it was 99.21%.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

The competition is fiercer, the available places to play at more numerous, choice is greater. Go back a few years, places like inetbet and clubworld were kings of the roost, respectable and trustworthy rtg casinos in a land of (mostly) rogues. Now respectable rtg casinos (supposedly) are cropping up left right and centre. As a result these casinos take in less than they were before as people try out and switch to the newer ones. Which in MY opinion means the long term established ones who have spent years building up their database of customers, their reputation in the industry, their solidarity should try even HARDER to make the customers see that THEY are the ones who are deserved of your deposits and not these young pup, new kids on the block. But they dont. In many regards some of the newer ones are showing them up and greatly so. Its no wonder the `oldies` are starting to show cracks. They have NO ONE to blame but themselves for this.

 

[ksech]

Okay, I've had two cats appear on a reel on Cleopatra's gold.
Two helmets on Golden Glove.
Two cars and two goggles on fruit frenzy.
Two cannons on Victory.
Two coins on Vikings Voyage.
Two birds on Paradise Dreams.
Two 9's on Tally Ho.
The list goes on, never thought of doing screenies of these. Perhaps my next session I will start. (and this wasn't at Inet, but at another accreditted RTG casino).

 

[bb28]

Clearly the US economy is in trouble and so too are RTG casinos. When people have to reduce spending luxuries like gambling generally get cut first.

I think its likely RTG casinos are experiencing a big drop in revenue and have to cut costs to keep profits intact. Inetbet reducing its free game try out chips from $5 to $3 is a good example of this.

The easiset way to cut spending is to reduce the RTP to players. Whether the casino is allowed to unilaterally change the RTP will depend on the commercial agreement with RTG and software in place. I would be very surprised if they cannot.

It will be interesting to see what Inetbet's slot return for 2010 is. In 2009 it was only 94.33%. The high was in 2001 when it was 99.21%.

Where did you get those figures from Lucky Loser? I thought that Inetbet has stated here at CM that their RTP was set at (can't remember the figure) and had never been changed.

 

[chuchu59]

Okay, I've had two cats appear on a reel on Cleopatra's gold.
Two helmets on Golden Glove.
Two cars and two goggles on fruit frenzy.
Two cannons on Victory.
Two coins on Vikings Voyage.
Two birds on Paradise Dreams.
Two 9's on Tally Ho.
The list goes on, never thought of doing screenies of these. Perhaps my next session I will start. (and this wasn't at Inet, but at another accreditted RTG casino).

Hopefully Dogboy can comment on these as well.

 

[Mavin1]

One of the reasons I did not say look what I found at Inetbet was because when I see something odd like this, I know it comes from the top mangement, not any one particular casino.

Posters are stating seeing these irregularities at many casinos, so changes are being made from the top that ultimately is affecting the experience of the games for the players.

Thanks Dogboy for your input, although I don't see no reason for throwing doubt in readers minds as to my posting my question as "smelling off", to you. But honestly the two helmets on the same reel have never been seen by me in the past and I have spun well more than 40 times at a time on this game and all others. If this statement is accurate then why hasn't it been noticed before?

This reminds me of the incident with Top Games missing wilds. It wasn't Rome that took them off, it was Top Games management, which affected every casino out there using this platform.

It would be nice if the platforms management would alert players to changes or allow us to know the real time RTP, so we who are spending our money can make better decisions on what we are willing to put into this form of "entertainment".
We can lose a lot of money seeking the play you will find when the RTP is up.

Sometime back, I was participating in a thread for Transparency, what has happened to that?
All we want is true transparency in what we are being presented.


My thoughts also on the long time players of the accredited casinos. I'm sure many of you are just as guilty in hurting their solid standing everytime you rush off to every single new casino that blows along and give them raving reviews all over the forum.
A new forum member, or non members will come along and see your feeding frenzy and jump in on it as well hoping to get what so many are going on about. Do you think this doesn't hurt long time accredited casinos such as Club World or Inetbet?
Afterall, these postings only serve to steer potential new players away from an accredited casino. Then if the new casino you have inadvertently drawn newbies to turns out to be a rogue in diguise then you have forever tarnished the perceptions of the new player regarding any casino in that platform you boast about.
So where does ones loyalties truly live if you can be drawn away so easily by a free chip being dangled to entice you away from the casino you have been loyal to, to a new casino that has not proven itself with years of serving the playing public.

So if you wish to say shame on us for being upset that things have changed over time, well shame on all of you as well for contributing to these changes.

 

[Lucky Loser]

Where did you get those figures from Lucky Loser? I thought that Inetbet has stated here at CM that their RTP was set at (can't remember the figure) and had never been changed.

From the casino's website.

 

[bb28]

From the casino's website.

Ahhh
I can't see it very well, but that's the payout %, not the RTP right?

 

[all4greed]

Old / Expired Link

The best pay back percentages in the United States are in Nevada: Specifically in the North Las Vegas area, which includes the Fiesta, Santa Fe and Texas Stations Casinos. However, some of the best pay back percentages in the world are at iNetBet. We beat our competition by almost 10% in favor of you the player.

Ok, well thanks...

 

[RobWin]

Ahhh
I can't see it very well, but that's the payout %, not the RTP right?

The payout percentage is the RTP BB...

Or you can call it the return to player percentage.

Or the return to player payout percentage.

Just to add: The "Payout Percentage" is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, which stands for "return to player". The figures that are listed in the INetBet table above were the averaged "Actual Payout Percentages" or the averaged actual RTP percentages, not the theoretical ones.
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[silcnlayc]

It looks like Inet has really put a chokehold on the slots the last few years...IMO..So I guess this is why we have felt the tightening so much...Up till 2004 it was pretty clear they wanted to keep the players happy and coming back...2005 and 2009 are the worst years for players playing slots. No wonder there have been so many unhappy players lately...

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[Mavin1]

Yes, I do see a steady decline in the RTP each year. Although these totals may not seem drastic to some, they obviously do have some effect on players overall/over time experience.

It would be interesting to see what other casinos have posted for their RTP report. I would imagine some may be pretty scary if they post the actual facts.

Thanks RobWin for your input again, it is very welcomed.

 

[bb28]

The payout percentage is the RTP BB...

Or you can call it the return to player percentage.

Or the return to player payout percentage.

Just to add: The "Payout Percentage" is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, which stands for "return to player". The figures that are listed in the INetBet table above were the averaged "Actual Payout Percentages" or the averaged actual RTP percentages, not the theoretical ones.
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Thanks for the explanation Rob......I did know what RTP is, but I couldn't see the table on Inetbet and I wrongly assumed it was something else and I didn't make myself clear in my post as to what I was talking about.

PS......I'm getting blind in my old age.

 

[kakata]

if (lets say)80% of the ppl on this forum ,( Im among em) "FEELS" that something has changed...how come that among the 20% remaining there is such a "strong" defense of the contrary ???

The 20% never ask themself that THEY are probably the wrong one?

I really dont get it.
How come that percentage doesnt work this time?
80 to 20 its a huge difference...!!!!

80% of players on this forum its sore loser, idiot,lunatic,paranoic and whatever you want to add as an adjective.,

Now the remaining % is the smart gambler the one who knows for sure that there has been no changes, that we are feeling and seeing gosts due to abudance of losses....etc etc....WHY??

How come that just couple years back there was NOT such an HIGH % of complains or weird feelings???

All of sudden, many of the 80%(who were not complaining 2 years ago)have become cretins?

I havent check...but Im sure that the % of winning screenshot has diminished noticeably in the last year or so.

....but of course who cares what I say....Im part of the 80% who sees things that arent there

 

[chuchu59]

Kakata,

You will never be able to convince the remaining 20% because you might then be told that forum members only account for a very small percentage of all players. For a start, we could all give our opinions on individual slots and focus on what has changed. I gave my opinion on Diamond Dozen and others can also relate their experiences/insights on other slots.

As for the RTP, one has to wonder whether this is a reliable indicator. A cap on free chips and the instant removal of excess winnings once WRs are met creates an opportunity for pseudo-RTPs. The RTP is jacked up when players get large wins but they wont have the opportunity to play them back down to the $50 mark. Then there is also the cap on line wins and I recall Nifty winning $3K when in fact it should have been $9K or $12K. So it seems that the published RTPs are not what they seem to be.

 

[takethemoney]

Kakata,

You will never be able to convince the remaining 20% because you might then be told that forum members only account for a very small percentage of all players. For a start, we could all give our opinions on individual slots and focus on what has changed. I gave my opinion on Diamond Dozen and others can also relate their experiences/insights on other slots.

As for the RTP, one has to wonder whether this is a reliable indicator. A cap on free chips and the instant removal of excess winnings once WRs are met creates an opportunity for pseudo-RTPs. The RTP is jacked up when players get large wins but they wont have the opportunity to play them back down to the $50 mark. Then there is also the cap on line wins and I recall Nifty winning $3K when in fact it should have been $9K or $12K. So it seems that the published RTPs are not what they seem to be.

Hold that thought! Really, you might be onto something. I'm sure there are several ways the casino is making a psuedo RTP and some of the terms and payout caps are probably part of how they are doing it. I still contend that the only reason the real series slots show any kind of decent payout over 90% is because of the random jackpots. So you factor in the RJs, the payout caps and ridiculous playthrus if you take a bonus, the delayed cashins which cause many players to reverse and I wonder what the purified RTP is????

 

[kakata]

RJ was there 2 years ago too, so was everything else.!!!

If we represent only a small part of the slot players in the world, that doesnt mean that we are not a good sample....

I cant believe that we have grouped here all the worst loser.

When a survey is run...not all the world is interwieved....just a percentage...or not.?

and if we cannot convince the 20%...how in the hell are they thinking that THEY can convince us that everything is OKAY????
Two years ago I was always leaving my slot on autoplay for a couple hours while dining or whatever....I would almost always have hours of play time...now it doesnt happen at all.
casino have changed their RTP at much lower setting...thats it.
I play only slots...and Ive made trillions of spins...and I know that a CHANGE has occurred.

 

[takethemoney]

RJ was there 2 years ago too, so was everything else.!!!

If we represent only a small part of the slot players in the world, that doesnt mean that we are not a good sample....

I cant believe that we have grouped here all the worst loser.

When a survey is run...not all the world is interwieved....just a percentage...or not.?

and if we cannot convince the 20%...how in the hell are they thinking that THEY can convince us that everything is OKAY????
Two years ago I was always leaving my slot on autoplay for a couple hours while dining or whatever....I would almost always have hours of play time...now it doesnt happen at all.
casino have changed their RTP at much lower setting...thats it.
I play only slots...and Ive made trillions of spins...and I know that a CHANGE has occurred.

What a loser!

I'm kidding man. I know what you mean. As avid of RTG slot player as I have been, I know there is a change too. Right now my operative words to live by are "Trust Nothing I Am Told". It is in certain people's best interests to lie. Frankly, the best way to express your feelings is to not play RTG casinos. The problem is, if we forum members only represent a small percentage of all the online gamblers, the others won't get it and the casinos will continue to rake them over the coals with impunity. Reducing our play, unfortunately, might make the casino request even tighter settings from RTG.

 

[The Dude]

if (lets say)80% of the ppl on this forum ,( Im among em) "FEELS" that something has changed...how come that among the 20% remaining there is such a "strong" defense of the contrary ???

The 20% never ask themself that THEY are probably the wrong one?

I really dont get it.
How come that percentage doesnt work this time?
80 to 20 its a huge difference...!!!!

80% of players on this forum its sore loser, idiot,lunatic,paranoic and whatever you want to add as an adjective.,

Now the remaining % is the smart gambler the one who knows for sure that there has been no changes, that we are feeling and seeing gosts due to abudance of losses....etc etc....WHY??

How come that just couple years back there was NOT such an HIGH % of complains or weird feelings???

All of sudden, many of the 80%(who were not complaining 2 years ago)have become cretins?

I havent check...but Im sure that the % of winning screenshot has diminished noticeably in the last year or so.

....but of course who cares what I say....Im part of the 80% who sees things that arent there

Umm - how are you figuring 80%?

Just to add a penny for a thought - on average, the forum is visited by around 350 registered users a day (you can see the stats for yourself on the bottom of the main forum page), and around 1500 guests. Many of these guests are browsing threads like these, and at times are prompted to sign up and engage.

But lets go back to the 350. We have to assume that a fair number of these members don't play RTG - let's say a third and bring the number down to 235. 80% of 235 is 188. By your calculations we can guess that 188 members are feeling cheated by RTG.

At my last count, there are 17 people participating in this thread which is about 9.4% of the daily RTG players (guestimate). And not everybody in this thread is complaining.

So where is everybody? Why aren't scores of people complaining about the software? Simple observance - I'm guessing they aren't complaining because they have nothing to complain about.

In other words, you need to keep things in proper perspective.

Another thing, if over the past several years the RTP has dipped down 1%-2%, do you think you would really notice? I don't think I would, but that's me.

Like I mentioned just recently in another RTG thread, the house always wins in the end (as we've seen, they post stats to support this), and the longer you play, the more you will lose. What is so hard to understand about that?

The trick is when you hit a substantial win - cash out! That is the only way you will beat the house because the odds are in their favor.

Self disciple is the key to a player's success. Cash out often whenever you can.

 

[chuchu59]

80%vs20% or 70%vs 30%. Hard to tell but it does seem that there are an increasing number of players that are getting entertainment for their buck at RTG. A more worrying trend is that many posters have lost dozens of deposits in succession and most of them were before they had met even half of the WRs where bonuses were claimed. That is why it will be useful to have a discussion on the RTP for RTG slots. It will be fruitless to just say Player A has lost $X in 2 hours or Player B has lost $Y in 2000 spins. We will need to examine the slots thoroughly to see what has changed.


Mavin noted there were 2 helmets in Reel 2 of the Golden Glove game and claimed he had never seen this while Dogboy states that the 2 helmets in Reel 2 had always been there and the occurence of this is once in 40 spins on average. I dont play this game much so I cannot comment but there must have been many of you guys out there who play this game and give views on who is right, Mavin or Dogboy.

If low-paying symbols or other methods for that matter were used to lower the RTP we should speak out and let others verify on whthere they hold true. Otherwise, it will be just a bickering exercise laden with some empty guesses and half-truths and the issue will then fade away.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Unfortunately when you make a 100 $ deposit, play 0.50 cents a spin, NEVER hit a bonus round and get barely any wins over your stake level, culminating in the loss of your deposit in around about half an hour, I personally would say that the RTP has been lowered by more than 1 or 2%. Wouldnt you Bryan?

 

[The Dude]

Unfortunately when you make a 100 $ deposit, play 0.50 cents a spin, NEVER hit a bonus round and get barely any wins over your stake level, culminating in the loss of your deposit in around about half an hour, I personally would say that the RTP has been lowered by more than 1 or 2%. Wouldnt you Bryan?

I would say your luck sucks.

Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well that deposit wasnt at inetbet actually but the gist is the same lol Its all the rtgs. Ive gone well over a 100 deposits with luck just LIKE that Its enough to make a grown man cry lol Good luck on your 50 deposit and if you hit a random with your 0.50 cent spins im giving up and switching to the horses Bryan lol

 

[silcnlayc]

I would say your luck sucks.

Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.

My Favorite used to be Green Light. I played that one ALL the time...You could count on a bonus round every 40-50 spins in and catch a good win ...I used to play at $2 a spin and always got over $200 return....which was around 50x my bet (after expense of catching it) during the bonus rounds....

Give that one a shot at 50 cents...and see if you can get to $50 on the bonus round or even hit the darn thing ..I quit playing it anymore at all..I do not remember the last time actually, after I found that they changed the payout ...Dogboy said they did not so call change it but "adjusted" it after two years +/- to reflect the correct payout, I guess our understanding of change is completely different you might say...whatever...

Just my 2 cents..

I was wondering if there are different servers servicing the different countries also? Would this make a difference for us USA players in the RTP?

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[kakata]

80% was just an idea...an optimistic one I guess, cause I think it would be a larger number.

Although this thread is about RTG, you would notice that I've never mentioned RTG cause I believe that the lower setting has been a common practice to all the platforms.(those available to US customer)
I think, an "in house survey" might be a good idea.

the question would be: do you think that something has changed for the worse lately...yes....no..?or something like that with better wording of course and put it on the main forum instead...cause not everyone will read this thread and also because this thread wont last forever.

someone else has to do it tho....cause I wouldnt know how

 

[RobWin]

Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.

I think you should give "Treasure Chamber" a shot with your money!
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[slotheadlizard]

CM

Nope, play London Inspector Better Yet, just close your eyes and pick any RS slot, otherwise they will know and raise the RTP, they may be reading this. (I'm a RTG conspiracy theorist, so what=) )

 

[kakata]

....and it will be very difficult to play "50c" a spin

 

[silcnlayc]

slotheadlizard: Nope, play London Inspector Better Yet, just close your eyes and pick any RS slot, otherwise they will know and raise the RTP, they may be reading this. (I'm a RTG conspiracy theorist, so what=) )

OMG too funny, I was thinking the same thing after I posted! Me too, what you said above!

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[chuchu59]

Or open a new account at Betphoenix with your wife's name and play the $50 free chip. That way, they wont know it's CM until it's too late. So what will the RTP be? 85%? 88% 95% or 120%

 

[slotheadlizard]

Chu

Or open a new account at Betphoenix with your wife's name and play the $50 free chip. That way, they wont know it's CM until it's too late. So what will the RTP be? 85%? 88% 95% or 120%

First off Chu, that's fraud. Secondly, it will be 800% now that you have tipped them off Nicolas already has his finger on the RTP button, looking for Mrs MasinoCeister=)