RTG-What's up with this?

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The best pay back percentages in the United States are in Nevada: Specifically in the North Las Vegas area, which includes the Fiesta, Santa Fe and Texas Stations Casinos. However, some of the best pay back percentages in the world are at iNetBet. We beat our competition by almost 10% in favor of you the player.

Ok, well thanks...
 
Ahhh :D
I can't see it very well, but that's the payout %, not the RTP right?

The payout percentage is the RTP BB...:)

Or you can call it the return to player percentage.

Or the return to player payout percentage.

Just to add: The "Payout Percentage" is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, which stands for "return to player". The figures that are listed in the INetBet table above were the averaged "Actual Payout Percentages" or the averaged actual RTP percentages, not the theoretical ones.
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It looks like Inet has really put a chokehold on the slots the last few years...IMO..So I guess this is why we have felt the tightening so much...Up till 2004 it was pretty clear they wanted to keep the players happy and coming back...2005 and 2009 are the worst years for players playing slots. No wonder there have been so many unhappy players lately...

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Yes, I do see a steady decline in the RTP each year. Although these totals may not seem drastic to some, they obviously do have some effect on players overall/over time experience.

It would be interesting to see what other casinos have posted for their RTP report. I would imagine some may be pretty scary if they post the actual facts.

Thanks RobWin for your input again, it is very welcomed.
 
The payout percentage is the RTP BB...:)

Or you can call it the return to player percentage.

Or the return to player payout percentage.

Just to add: The "Payout Percentage" is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, which stands for "return to player". The figures that are listed in the INetBet table above were the averaged "Actual Payout Percentages" or the averaged actual RTP percentages, not the theoretical ones.
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Thanks for the explanation Rob......I did know what RTP is, but I couldn't see the table on Inetbet and I wrongly :oops: assumed it was something else and I didn't make myself clear in my post as to what I was talking about.

PS......I'm getting blind in my old age. :D
 
if (lets say)80% of the ppl on this forum ,( Im among em) "FEELS" that something has changed...how come that among the 20% remaining there is such a "strong" defense of the contrary ???

The 20% never ask themself that THEY are probably the wrong one?

I really dont get it.:confused:
How come that percentage doesnt work this time?
80 to 20 its a huge difference...!!!!

80% of players on this forum its sore loser, idiot,lunatic,paranoic and whatever you want to add as an adjective.,

Now the remaining % is the smart gambler the one who knows for sure that there has been no changes, that we are feeling and seeing gosts due to abudance of losses....etc etc....WHY??

How come that just couple years back there was NOT such an HIGH % of complains or weird feelings???

All of sudden, many of the 80%(who were not complaining 2 years ago)have become cretins?

I havent check...but Im sure that the % of winning screenshot has diminished noticeably in the last year or so.

....but of course who cares what I say....Im part of the 80% who sees things that arent there :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Kakata,

You will never be able to convince the remaining 20% because you might then be told that forum members only account for a very small percentage of all players. For a start, we could all give our opinions on individual slots and focus on what has changed. I gave my opinion on Diamond Dozen and others can also relate their experiences/insights on other slots.

As for the RTP, one has to wonder whether this is a reliable indicator. A cap on free chips and the instant removal of excess winnings once WRs are met creates an opportunity for pseudo-RTPs. The RTP is jacked up when players get large wins but they wont have the opportunity to play them back down to the $50 mark. Then there is also the cap on line wins and I recall Nifty winning $3K when in fact it should have been $9K or $12K. So it seems that the published RTPs are not what they seem to be.
 
Kakata,

You will never be able to convince the remaining 20% because you might then be told that forum members only account for a very small percentage of all players. For a start, we could all give our opinions on individual slots and focus on what has changed. I gave my opinion on Diamond Dozen and others can also relate their experiences/insights on other slots.

As for the RTP, one has to wonder whether this is a reliable indicator. A cap on free chips and the instant removal of excess winnings once WRs are met creates an opportunity for pseudo-RTPs. The RTP is jacked up when players get large wins but they wont have the opportunity to play them back down to the $50 mark. Then there is also the cap on line wins and I recall Nifty winning $3K when in fact it should have been $9K or $12K. So it seems that the published RTPs are not what they seem to be.


Hold that thought! Really, you might be onto something. I'm sure there are several ways the casino is making a psuedo RTP and some of the terms and payout caps are probably part of how they are doing it. I still contend that the only reason the real series slots show any kind of decent payout over 90% is because of the random jackpots. So you factor in the RJs, the payout caps and ridiculous playthrus if you take a bonus, the delayed cashins which cause many players to reverse and I wonder what the purified RTP is????
 
RJ was there 2 years ago too, so was everything else.!!!

If we represent only a small part of the slot players in the world, that doesnt mean that we are not a good sample....

I cant believe that we have grouped here all the worst loser.:eek:

When a survey is run...not all the world is interwieved....just a percentage...or not.?

and if we cannot convince the 20%...how in the hell are they thinking that THEY can convince us that everything is OKAY????
Two years ago I was always leaving my slot on autoplay for a couple hours while dining or whatever....I would almost always have hours of play time...now it doesnt happen at all.
casino have changed their RTP at much lower setting...thats it.
I play only slots...and Ive made trillions of spins...and I know that a CHANGE has occurred.
 
RJ was there 2 years ago too, so was everything else.!!!

If we represent only a small part of the slot players in the world, that doesnt mean that we are not a good sample....

I cant believe that we have grouped here all the worst loser.:eek:

When a survey is run...not all the world is interwieved....just a percentage...or not.?

and if we cannot convince the 20%...how in the hell are they thinking that THEY can convince us that everything is OKAY????
Two years ago I was always leaving my slot on autoplay for a couple hours while dining or whatever....I would almost always have hours of play time...now it doesnt happen at all.
casino have changed their RTP at much lower setting...thats it.
I play only slots...and Ive made trillions of spins...and I know that a CHANGE has occurred.


What a loser! :rolleyes:

I'm kidding man. I know what you mean. As avid of RTG slot player as I have been, I know there is a change too. Right now my operative words to live by are "Trust Nothing I Am Told". It is in certain people's best interests to lie. Frankly, the best way to express your feelings is to not play RTG casinos. The problem is, if we forum members only represent a small percentage of all the online gamblers, the others won't get it and the casinos will continue to rake them over the coals with impunity. Reducing our play, unfortunately, might make the casino request even tighter settings from RTG.
 
if (lets say)80% of the ppl on this forum ,( Im among em) "FEELS" that something has changed...how come that among the 20% remaining there is such a "strong" defense of the contrary ???

The 20% never ask themself that THEY are probably the wrong one?

I really dont get it.:confused:
How come that percentage doesnt work this time?
80 to 20 its a huge difference...!!!!

80% of players on this forum its sore loser, idiot,lunatic,paranoic and whatever you want to add as an adjective.,

Now the remaining % is the smart gambler the one who knows for sure that there has been no changes, that we are feeling and seeing gosts due to abudance of losses....etc etc....WHY??

How come that just couple years back there was NOT such an HIGH % of complains or weird feelings???

All of sudden, many of the 80%(who were not complaining 2 years ago)have become cretins?

I havent check...but Im sure that the % of winning screenshot has diminished noticeably in the last year or so.

....but of course who cares what I say....Im part of the 80% who sees things that arent there :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Umm - how are you figuring 80%? :p

Just to add a penny for a thought - on average, the forum is visited by around 350 registered users a day (you can see the stats for yourself on the bottom of the main forum page), and around 1500 guests. Many of these guests are browsing threads like these, and at times are prompted to sign up and engage.

But lets go back to the 350. We have to assume that a fair number of these members don't play RTG - let's say a third and bring the number down to 235. 80% of 235 is 188. By your calculations we can guess that 188 members are feeling cheated by RTG.

At my last count, there are 17 people participating in this thread which is about 9.4% of the daily RTG players (guestimate). And not everybody in this thread is complaining.

So where is everybody? Why aren't scores of people complaining about the software? Simple observance - I'm guessing they aren't complaining because they have nothing to complain about.

In other words, you need to keep things in proper perspective. :D

Another thing, if over the past several years the RTP has dipped down 1%-2%, do you think you would really notice? I don't think I would, but that's me.

Like I mentioned just recently in another RTG thread, the house always wins in the end (as we've seen, they post stats to support this), and the longer you play, the more you will lose. What is so hard to understand about that?

The trick is when you hit a substantial win - cash out! That is the only way you will beat the house because the odds are in their favor.

Self disciple is the key to a player's success. Cash out often whenever you can.
 
80%vs20% or 70%vs 30%. Hard to tell but it does seem that there are an increasing number of players that are getting entertainment for their buck at RTG. A more worrying trend is that many posters have lost dozens of deposits in succession and most of them were before they had met even half of the WRs where bonuses were claimed. That is why it will be useful to have a discussion on the RTP for RTG slots. It will be fruitless to just say Player A has lost $X in 2 hours or Player B has lost $Y in 2000 spins. We will need to examine the slots thoroughly to see what has changed.


Mavin noted there were 2 helmets in Reel 2 of the Golden Glove game and claimed he had never seen this while Dogboy states that the 2 helmets in Reel 2 had always been there and the occurence of this is once in 40 spins on average. I dont play this game much so I cannot comment but there must have been many of you guys out there who play this game and give views on who is right, Mavin or Dogboy.

If low-paying symbols or other methods for that matter were used to lower the RTP we should speak out and let others verify on whthere they hold true. Otherwise, it will be just a bickering exercise laden with some empty guesses and half-truths and the issue will then fade away.
 
Unfortunately when you make a 100 $ deposit, play 0.50 cents a spin, NEVER hit a bonus round and get barely any wins over your stake level, culminating in the loss of your deposit in around about half an hour, I personally would say that the RTP has been lowered by more than 1 or 2%. Wouldnt you Bryan?
 
Unfortunately when you make a 100 $ deposit, play 0.50 cents a spin, NEVER hit a bonus round and get barely any wins over your stake level, culminating in the loss of your deposit in around about half an hour, I personally would say that the RTP has been lowered by more than 1 or 2%. Wouldnt you Bryan?
I would say your luck sucks. :p

Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.
 
Well that deposit wasnt at inetbet actually but the gist is the same lol Its all the rtgs. Ive gone well over a 100 deposits with luck just LIKE that :mad: Its enough to make a grown man cry lol Good luck on your 50 deposit and if you hit a random with your 0.50 cent spins im giving up and switching to the horses Bryan lol
 
I would say your luck sucks.

Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.
My Favorite used to be Green Light. I played that one ALL the time...You could count on a bonus round every 40-50 spins in and catch a good win ...I used to play at $2 a spin and always got over $200 return....which was around 50x my bet (after expense of catching it) during the bonus rounds....

Give that one a shot at 50 cents...and see if you can get to $50 on the bonus round or even hit the darn thing ..I quit playing it anymore at all..I do not remember the last time actually, after I found that they changed the payout ...Dogboy said they did not so call change it but "adjusted" it after two years +/- to reflect the correct payout, I guess our understanding of change is completely different you might say...whatever...

Just my 2 cents..

I was wondering if there are different servers servicing the different countries also? Would this make a difference for us USA players in the RTP?

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80% was just an idea...an optimistic one I guess, cause I think it would be a larger number.

Although this thread is about RTG, you would notice that I've never mentioned RTG cause I believe that the lower setting has been a common practice to all the platforms.(those available to US customer)
I think, an "in house survey" might be a good idea.

the question would be: do you think that something has changed for the worse lately...yes....no..?or something like that with better wording of course:) and put it on the main forum instead...cause not everyone will read this thread and also because this thread wont last forever.

someone else has to do it tho....cause I wouldnt know how:oops:
 
Just for shits and giggles, I'll give it a shot later today at iNetbet. Choose a popular slot (not something sucky like that Fruit one), and I'll play it 50 cents a spin and see how many bonus rounds I hit.

I think you should give "Treasure Chamber" a shot with your money! ;)
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CM

Nope, play London Inspector:eek: Better Yet, just close your eyes and pick any RS slot, otherwise they will know and raise the RTP, they may be reading this. (I'm a RTG conspiracy theorist, so what=) )
 
slotheadlizard: Nope, play London Inspector Better Yet, just close your eyes and pick any RS slot, otherwise they will know and raise the RTP, they may be reading this. (I'm a RTG conspiracy theorist, so what=) )
OMG too funny, I was thinking the same thing after I posted! Me too, what you said above! :lolup:

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Or open a new account at Betphoenix with your wife's name and play the $50 free chip. That way, they wont know it's CM until it's too late. So what will the RTP be? 85%? 88% 95% or 120%:D
 
Chu

Or open a new account at Betphoenix with your wife's name and play the $50 free chip. That way, they wont know it's CM until it's too late. So what will the RTP be? 85%? 88% 95% or 120%:D

First off Chu, that's fraud. Secondly, it will be 800% now that you have tipped them off :D Nicolas already has his finger on the RTP button, looking for Mrs MasinoCeister=)
 

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