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im not understanding of why they are able to have any tools at all for coupon players when it should be all equal odds wheather or not they have coupons.
should it?
should it?
This post sums it up. It would be a pointless box to put in what you are seeing.
BESIDES, you cannot see anything until AFTER the play has happened. This box is for setting up coupons. How do you know what your going to see with the coupons? It is not a logical function if you cannot do what the words say... and that is set house edge.
Hi all,
Here we go again with the tin hats.
What 4 of a kind is posting are screenshots of the backend of the coupon codes. This has nothing to do with the RTP with which some of you are mildly confused.
From an RTG operator concerning the screenshot referenced here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-rtp-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-zone.43528/
Further reference material about RTG's RTP has been repeated and regurgitated more times than you can shake a stick at. For further reading, please read the following threads.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-and-rtp-the-official-word.38348/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtg-software-backend-issues-rtp-etc.41825/
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/corrupt-online-gaming.40838/
It seems to me that a small handful of members keep bringing up the same issue instead of referring to the vast amount of reference material at hand. I would really appreciate a little bit of consideration when it comes making me repeat myself.
Further, if you wish to publish what is considered privileged information (like screenshots of someone's back-end), either you get permission to post this or post it on your own website and reference it from here. We have strict rules about this; you can refer to the FAQs and rules about posting privileged information. If we are requested to take it down - we take it down. That'll take the wind out of your sails pretty damn quick.
Back atcha Nifty! Lighten up, Of course we did sheesh, you think we are blind too?? Remember, you might have gotten lost cause you are now in the tin hat area...we got "separated" from the main discussion where I think you want to be. I mean geezes.. You should be in the main room where there is a so called "discussion" you canNifty29
Oh for crying out loud. Did anybody actually READ the explanation that Bryan posted?
with those that do not wear these purty hats...go on...move along...if you do not wear our kind of hat...you KNOW you are in the wrong room..I am actually finding this room kinda cozy..so please do not come here ranting all over the place trying to make us see your side of the moon...cause it don't exist to many of us...especially me...Nifty29: I like to challenge peoples opinions and debate the issues.
Oh for crying out loud. Did anybody actually READ the explanation that Bryan posted?
The "RTG house edge" figure is the house edge that the game is DESIGNED to achieve.
The "DEFAULT house edge" figure is the house edge that the game is ACTUALLY ACHIEVING which could be different for each casino and can be entered as such to assist the operator in creating the optimum terms for a coupon.
THE INPUT VALUES HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE GAMES I.E the expected house edge for blackjack will ALWAYS be the same but the ACTUAL HE will fluctuate.
This is EXACTLY what VWM, myself, and others alluded to earlier - the screenshot itself means NOTHING without an explanation of the functions. However, now that we HAVE such an explanation some members are just completely ignoring it and jumping on the "ahhhh we got 'em now" bandwagon armed with nothing more than a screenshot and the non-existent explanation of the OP who has conveniently disappeared once again.
If people REALLY believe that RTG operators can add extra cards to decks or change reel strips during bonus play, then they must, as a result, believe it is possible on a per-player basis AND be possible on other software platforms as well.....and the funniest part is that many of these people will play at RTG again and have continued to do so, regardless of the fact that they 'know' they're being cheated. Speaks volumes.
Where is this 'RJ personal win' switch? Or did 4 oaks source feel that wasnt worth including? Id have thought that would have been FAR more serious than shaving a few % off the games! The answer is of course that there is no screenshot because it DOESN'T EXIST (although those that insist it does just keep playing regardless...lol just lol)
It seems that we have yet another case of the facts not being allowed to get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
I'm placing a call to BHP Billiton to suggest they increase their aluminium output as we could well be facing a foil shortage here in coming days.
Simple so that you can have an estimate of how much a promotion is going to cost you. It may mean nothing just like historical stock prices or how well a mutual fund has performed over a given time period. Coupons are enticements. You can use them to try and steer players towards a certain game or away from it. If a casino's losing their shirt on a game, exclude it or weight it less. If players are having a bad run on a game, sweeten the deal by making more attractive coupons for it. (How many awesome BJ bonuses do you see vs how many slots only bonuses?)
PD
Someone mentioned my name.
This thread is not about Bet Phoenix Casino. The company I represent.
This thread is about Real Time Gaming. A company I have nothing to do with anymore. As such, I'm not in a position to provide a reply for them.
On a personal note, I believe everything Brian said is spot on. I personally have never seen that screen (I had a lowly CS access, since my main function in the end is that of an affiliate manager) However, I do have an excel sheet with formulas that mimics what that page has, and is something I regularly use to check expected promotional loss.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
Bet Phoenix Casino Affiliates Manager
If RTG operators were able to adjust the payouts for different bonuses and different players (i.e., fix the games), then why would any players be bonus barred or barred at all? The operators could just "flip the switch" on the advantage players.
its time to think about a mass boycott of every licensee.
I'm rarely ever upset.What is the last part about? Kinda seems like your upset he posted it. Just wondering.
I don't think there is a software provider on the planet that would allow screenshots of their back-end to be displayed in public. It's not that they are trying to cover something up; it's about allowing their competitors access to what they consider "privileged information"; their competitors are taking notes. When you post these screenshots, expect them to disappear once we are contacted by the software provider.1.4 - No posting of privileged information. Please remember to respect other's privacy. In the public forum, do not post real names, email addresses, or other personal identifiers that may be considered privileged information; to include company "trade secrets", screenshots of company information, etc. If these items are already publicly available, this shouldn't be a problem. But if these are from private correspondence, or from some user database, discretion is advised.
To be honest it is not a tool we have ever used, as it is for the Casinos that offer the more 'creative large' bonus offers
I skimmed through the other threads and I have a couple of thoughts - first, the screenshot didn't come from BetPhoenix in the first place, it originally came from someone who worked for Casino33, right?
That's just what you were told. This screen shot has nothing whats so ever to do with casino33 or casinojack.
but bottom line is: if I didn't think I was getting a fair game I wouldn't be playing.
I don't think there is a software provider on the planet that would allow screenshots of their back-end to be displayed in public.
Whoever wrote that explanation for you Bryan, and since you obviously approve of it, I would assume it should be expected by all here to bow their heads to you, the Moses of online gaming as you carry yet another stone with the facts of this screen shot carved into it.
This alleged carved in stone explanation may be good enough for your disciples like Nitty, but anyone not blinded by your glowing appearance should realize that explanation makes no sense and would serve no purpose for any casino to utilize what so ever.
“These Values Will Appear For All New Coupons”
What the hell does viewing what the actual RTP is doing in real time and coming back to this page and entering that number into the default house edge box got to do with the price of fish since the coupons are already in the street?
The mathematical advantages or not of a coupon being offered are decided well before their put in the streets. Using Betfair for example it was obvious their mistake was made well before the coupon hit the streets. Since Betfair took a beating with that coupon offer was a sign that they were a site to be trusted for actual random and fair play. Unfortunately, they didn’t take their lumps and elected to steel the money back.
I also understand your livelihood is controlled by online gaming, and this site is your domain.
You've pretty much proven to me that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You used to make good informative/helpful posts way back when, but now you've become nothing but a troll. It's a shame really.Whoever wrote that explanation for you Bryan, and since you obviously approve of it, I would assume it should be expected by all here to bow their heads to you, the Moses of online gaming as you carry yet another stone with the facts of this screen shot carved into it.
Ditto.This alleged carved in stone explanation may be good enough for your disciples like Nitty, but anyone not blinded by your glowing appearance should realize that explanation makes no sense and would serve no purpose for any casino to utilize what so ever...
Ditto. <yawn>...
I also understand your livelihood is controlled by online gaming, and this site is your domain.
As I expected, RTG requested that the screenshot be taken down - and it's now gone.
Again, it had nothing to do with their RTP. This was used by some operators to calculate bonuses. It gives an operator a view of what the risk is depending on the bonus setting.
As I expected, RTG requested that the screenshot be taken down - and it's now gone.