RTG - Does Bet Size Increase Or Decrease Your Odds?

[takethemoney]

I've been playing Real Series slots since their inception. Maybe it's just my own experiences, but here is what I've come to believe, regarding the various bet sizes:
20c-40c
Low payouts. I believe that we who consistently bet this level are the bread and butter of the casino and we are known as the "grinds", whom the casino is assured of taking most of our deposits as the grind us down little by little. Odds of hitting an RJ seem to be way less on these kinds of bets. The other general aspect of gambling is that "scared money never wins". We may not be scared but we bet this way because of the high risk of going bust too soon.

$1-$2
I believe this is where you have your real shot at a better payout. Seems most of my luck has come from these kinds of bets and these are where the majority of my RJ wins have come from. My suspicion is that this bet range offers the best RTP.

$5-$10
You are a cash cow for the casino and they tend to take advantage of you for as long as they can while you make those kinds of bets. Ever been betting lower and when you raise to this level the casino seems to go to sleep, no matter what you do? I've tested this way too many times for it to be a mere coincidence. There might be some offset here, as I normally get better comps after losses.

I didn't talk about 60c-80c bets, as I have little experience to draw upon.

Anyone else have this kind of experience with bet sizes and want to weigh in?

 

[Diane]

I've been playing Real Series slots since their inception. Maybe it's just my own experiences, but here is what I've come to believe, regarding the various bet sizes:
20c-40c
Low payouts. I believe that we who consistently bet this level are the bread and butter of the casino and we are known as the "grinds", whom the casino is assured of taking most of our deposits as the grind us down little by little. Odds of hitting an RJ seem to be way less on these kinds of bets. The other general aspect of gambling is that "scared money never wins". We may not be scared but we bet this way because of the high risk of going bust too soon.

$1-$2
I believe this is where you have your real shot at a better payout. Seems most of my luck has come from these kinds of bets and these are where the majority of my RJ wins have come from. My suspicion is that this bet range offers the best RTP.

$5-$10
You are a cash cow for the casino and they tend to take advantage of you for as long as they can while you make those kinds of bets. Ever been betting lower and when you raise to this level the casino seems to go to sleep, no matter what you do? I've tested this way too many times for it to be a mere coincidence. There might be some offset here, as I normally get better comps after losses.

I didn't talk about 60c-80c bets, as I have little experience to draw upon.

Anyone else have this kind of experience with bet sizes and want to weigh in?

The only thing I can add is that the larger the bet, the more frequent I hit a Random Jackpot. I have had days where with really good runs, big bets and hit multiple RJ's.

Diane

 

[takethemoney]

The only thing I can add is that the larger the bet, the more frequent I hit a Random Jackpot. I have had days where with really good runs, big bets and hit multiple RJ's.

Diane

I don't know about you, and obviously that's personal, but I've never had a large enough bankroll to sustain those high bets. That may very well be the reason I have never seemed to hit on large bets. Maybe I just couldn't make it though the variance and out to the other side where things get better. Maybe years ago when I hit over $40k in randoms at Cherry Red, I should have started making larger bets, but instead cashed out most of it, then pulled my horns in, rarely making over a $1 bet. I suppose I could have easily blown it all back trying too. Instead we had one of the greatest Christmas's ever and gave lots of nice gifts to family. I will admit that I have dreamed of betting big and hitting big, but reality always holds me back...especially when I realize how I would feel if I ever lost a large sum.

 

[Nifty29]

Dogboy explained it all once, but the main fact is that higher bets have a higher hit chance.

The fact that you played most of your spins at $1-2 as many do explains why you hit the rjs. The expectation is that, had you play all those spins at $5, you would have won more rjs.

Please tell me its not a "I'm not winning enough" thread ttm... .you've been VERY lucky in that regard more than once. I've hit one since they were implemented, and that was 5 years ago.

 

[takethemoney]

Dogboy explained it all once, but the main fact is that higher bets have a higher hit chance.

The fact that you played most of your spins at $1-2 as many do explains why you hit the rjs. The expectation is that, had you play all those spins at $5, you would have won more rjs.

Please tell me its not a "I'm not winning enough" thread ttm... .you've been VERY lucky in that regard more than once. I've hit one since they were implemented, and that was 5 years ago.

Nope, not not at all. I'm just seeing some trends with my personal play and wanted to see if it's just me, or if others are experiencing them too. I think we all seek knowledge that will help us be more successful at gambling. I've also been playing with some dry runs. ( experimental fun play) I've been playing at various levels, but with the same bankroll I was considering depositing, while watching for trends.

 

[chuchu59]

Takethemoney, I trust your instincts and observations. Indeed, the $1 -$2 betting range may yield the best rtp for many and I believe you have found the right betting size to fit your own patterns. Aword of caution to the low-rollers however. Even if you believe that the rtp is best for the 1-2 dollar range do not attempt to do it if you tend to bet in a much lower range. Given the volatility of the slots your bankroll will be wiped out in no time and its not worth trying out a bigger bankroll just to make the 1-2 dollar bets.

 

[takethemoney]

Takethemoney, I trust your instincts and observations. Indeed, the $1 -$2 betting range may yield the best rtp for many and I believe you have found the right betting size to fit your own patterns. Aword of caution to the low-rollers however. Even if you believe that the rtp is best for the 1-2 dollar range do not attempt to do it if you tend to bet in a much lower range. Given the volatility of the slots your bankroll will be wiped out in no time and its not worth trying out a bigger bankroll just to make the 1-2 dollar bets.

That is sage advice, Chuchu. I have a rule and that is that I generally divide my bankroll by 500. It doesn't mean that I deposit $500 at a time and bet $1 per spin, but if I can attain that level and choose to continue gambling, only then will I bet at that level. If I make a $100 deposit, I'm generally only betting 20c and sometimes 25 or 50c if I am hitting frequent features and staying even or up. We've all had times where we can last for days on a small deposit or have it taken from us almost immediately.

 

[KasinoKing]

Dogboy explained it all once, but the main fact is that higher bets have a higher hit chance.

Just to clarify in case anyone reads this wrong, Nifty is talking about a higher chance of hitting a Random Jackpot - the returns on the base game remain constant at all bet levels as far as I am aware.

KK

 

[nisosbar]

My best wins on RTG have come from the smallest bet sizes, like 300-500x bet (like $80 on a $0.20 bet). I'm not a high roller though, so I don't have the same depth of experience on larger bets.

 

[Surasanji]

In a fair game....

Bet size shouldn't matter in a fair game. When you pull the slot machine handle its supposed to be a random number- independent of your wager. You wager simply increases your winnings. If you wager more, and you get paid out more- how does the Casino win? People would have gotten onto that years ago.

Fair slot machines are totally random. Its a game of pure chance. That's why the Casino's love them- they have all the edge- and they take zero skill. Anyone can enjoy them.

-Surasanji

 

[me_and_ed]

All randoms are set to pay at a certain $ amount, you have a far greater chance to achieve that amount due to a higher bet only because you are covering a greater spread, has nothing to do with RTP on the randoms.

 

[bb28]

All randoms are set to pay at a certain $ amount, you have a far greater chance to achieve that amount due to a higher bet only because you are covering a greater spread, has nothing to do with RTP on the randoms.

I'm either misunderstanding your post or you are misinformed. RTG randoms are RANDOM and there is no set amount. Look at all the varying amounts they go off at. Dogboy did say the higher your bet, the bigger chance you have of making one go off but still it's random.

 

[me_and_ed]

I'm either misunderstanding your post or you are misinformed. RTG randoms are RANDOM and there is no set amount. Look at all the varying amounts they go off at. Dogboy did say the higher your bet, the bigger chance you have of making one go off but still it's random.

You are misunderstanding me, they are random, however internally they have a point that will payout, once that point is hit it pays, if you are betting in .20c increments you have to be awfully lucky to hit that set point, the more your bet is the more ground you cover so to speak.

 

[cheetahwind]

If that's the case then Penguin Power at Sun Palace Casino, in my opinion should have paid out a long, long time ago. Mainly because if I were in the casinos shoes. I wouldn't want an old style slot machine sitting at $16k+ for an internal jackpot payout. I'm pretty sure why this particular slot hasn't paid out is mainly because Penguin Power. I'm pretty sure has lost popularity to other newer games, so the play isn't as frequent. Therefore people aren't going to be hitting on that random jackpot payout generator as much. To get that to pay out. I'm pretty sure it's random otherwise like I just said before. I don't think if I would let this kind of internal jackpot get this high, if I had controls on it.

You are misunderstanding me, they are random, however internally they have a point that will payout, once that point is hit it pays, if you are betting in .20c increments you have to be awfully lucky to hit that set point, the more your bet is the more ground you cover so to speak.

 

[me_and_ed]

Who really knows, I have seen randoms as high as 40k. I just sent my friend a BBM, he is a programmer with Bodog. I will get the skinny and post when I hear back, it has been explained to me bfore as I have posted it.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually, the RJs do not hit at a predetermined $ value. Some slots do, but not the RTG ones.

Dogboy explained it a while back, but basically after each spin the game asks "Jackpot? Yes/No?" and the server responds accordingly.

Now, if you can imagine 100,000 boxes where only 1 has the "yes" answer inside. Each time you spin @min bet (1c) you get to pick one box....if its the yes box you win the RJ, otherwise you don't. If you bet 10c per spin, you pick 10 boxes, if you bet $1 you get 100 boxes etc etc. The boxes are not removed once picked. In this way, you get an idea of how bigger bets give you more chances.

You could also imagine it as an instant lottery where each 1c gives you 1 ticket which has to match the winning number preselected by the server (not the $ amount).

The examples above are simplified and its a little more complicated but its the general gist.....enough for us plebs to have a fair idea of how it works. Also, the numbers I stated above are just made up for arguments sake and should probably be in the millions.

The examples also show just how tough it is for you to win, even with a decent betsize.

If dogboy sees this I'm happy to be corrected if need be.

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

Actually, the RJs do not hit at a predetermined $ value. Some slots do, but not the RTG ones.

Dogboy explained it a while back, but basically after each spin the game asks "Jackpot? Yes/No?" and the server responds accordingly.

So how the server actually knows to say "Yes" or "No"? It could be programmed to say Yes then RJ reaches a certain amount, not saying it's done that way but it could. or they could add a timestamp to it. Whoever gets this spin is a random winner. Don't forget that servers will not do any " random" things, its all programmed.

 

[me_and_ed]

Actually, the RJs do not hit at a predetermined $ value. Some slots do, but not the RTG ones.

Dogboy explained it a while back, but basically after each spin the game asks "Jackpot? Yes/No?" and the server responds accordingly.

Now, if you can imagine 100,000 boxes where only 1 has the "yes" answer inside. Each time you spin @min bet (1c) you get to pick one box....if its the yes box you win the RJ, otherwise you don't. If you bet 10c per spin, you pick 10 boxes, if you bet $1 you get 100 boxes etc etc. The boxes are not removed once picked. In this way, you get an idea of how bigger bets give you more chances.

You could also imagine it as an instant lottery where each 1c gives you 1 ticket which has to match the winning number preselected by the server (not the $ amount).

The examples above are simplified and its a little more complicated but its the general gist.....enough for us plebs to have a fair idea of how it works. Also, the numbers I stated above are just made up for arguments sake and should probably be in the millions.

The examples also show just how tough it is for you to win, even with a decent betsize.

If dogboy sees this I'm happy to be corrected if need be.

Yes, you have articulated my thoughts much better than my words, that is exactly what I am saying regarding the bet size and the amount of "boxes .20c will cover compared to $5, it is random to all of us as when it will go off but it is predetermined to when the yes box will be hit. Thank you!!!

 

[Nifty29]

So how the server actually knows to say "Yes" or "No"? It could be programmed to say Yes then RJ reaches a certain amount, not saying it's done that way but it could. or they could add a timestamp to it. Whoever gets this spin is a random winner. Don't forget that servers will not do any " random" things, its all programmed.

Yes, I'm sure it could be done that way but my information is to the contrary.

The amount of "boxes" would determine an average amount of spins required and give the casino an idea of roughly how big the Jackpots might get, and would negate the need for a predetermined trigger point. I've seen them up to $80k before and my understanding is that there's no cap, so potentially they could hit $1m. The amount of "boxes" and the number of "picks" that happen on a daily basis would be the reason they seldom go over $20k.

Anyway, I guess it doesn't help any of us win one, as we have no control apart from how much we spin and how much we bet. It's just really academic, but interesting.