Roulette Strategy

maths and roulette

The reason people steeped in pure maths cannot believe/accept that a well thought out strategy applied in a disciplned manner can best roulette, is your thinking is too rigid.You think purely on what is layed out in front of you.The layout, the house edge, the numbers.
Yes, roulette is random but at the same time controllable as to what limits it abides to consistently enough to be beaten. THE ZONE takes it to pieces and I DON'T PLAY RNGS. ONLY LIVE WHEELS. Rngs are not random end of story.
 
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The reason people steeped in pure maths cannot believe/accept that a well thought out strategy applied in a disciplned manner can best roulette, is your thinking is too rigid.

Ya, Rigid like the laws of mathematics. :rolleyes:

If your system really worked, why are you not not off spending all those BILLIONS of dollars your system generates? LOL...
 
Ya, Rigid like the laws of mathematics. :rolleyes:

If your system really worked, why are you not not off spending all those BILLIONS of dollars your system generates? LOL...
I make a living from it but you don't become a millionaire or billionaire from a betting system. Especially if you are drawing a living wage from it. (01) no casino is going to allow you to win too much and (02) my systems are percentage grinders not get rich quick scams.I love you sceptics,so beaten down by your own losing and what you are fed about what is and isn't possible,you dismiss everything without even paper testing it.

The. ZONE and TWO OF A KIND WORK if you run them properly accept small but consistent profits If you're lazy and undisciplined no way will you win.
 
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Just gotta have my 2 cents worth.

Randomness to some is in itself "a pattern". It takes a lot of work to define patterns, within patterns, within patterns, but while the casinos provide a framework with a minimal set of numbers and rules to work with, there is always a way to look for clues to the pattern of random numbers which "have no memory"; for those numbers that have amnesia are trapped within a pattern. Mathematics is a language, a framework that is manmade. Look outside the "box", look with another language and you will see a whole host of different perspectives. Mathematics is constantly evolving and taking new shapes and I thank God for our courageous pioneers who were labelled "crazy" for not giving up on what they saw with a different perspecitve, or we would not be enjoying the fantastic advanced era that we live in today.

The majority of people swim together in the same direction. However there are always those that stray from the pack and explore the edges of the stream. Upon returning to the pack they are instantly labelled: stupid, crazy, dangerous, etc. Something inside the wanderer goes against "common sense" and they continue to stray only to return with more information which usually falls on deaf ears. It is lonely for the wanderer as no matter how he shares his experiences, be they painful or glorious, there is no comfort given from the pack. It then gets lonelier for the wanderer for when the pack "lose", (that is the inevitable net arrives to scoop them to their doom), the wanderer is left completely alone to enjoy the benefits of his findings: until of course he stumbles across another wanderer and then they live happily ever after.

The moral being:

There are no "guarantees", the wanderer could still meet his doom by wandering into a pit of sharks, however by learning from other wanderers, dangers can be avoided. The pit of sharks in gambling being the cons who lure the naive into their hungry stomachs with false hope.

Paradise can be found by breaking from the pack and having the courage to explore. You wonder why those that have found paradise are still returning to the pack. The majority don't return, hell why would they. Some do, but will eventually cease to return for no matter how hard they try they cannot convince the pack to just try and swim in a different direction and avoid the inevitable net of doom. For to swim in a different direction takes more than courage, it takes energy, time and persistence to learn something new; and unfortunately change is something we as humans continually avoid.

There are those that make "so called billions" and of course they are way too busy spending it to be bothered returning to the pack. There are those that are comfortably living off their profits, but have to spend their profits to survive, (hence making a living from strategic gambling as opposed to a regular day job).

Bankroll balance and finding the "pattern" of knowing when and how to bet and when not to, is what determines "making millions" and eventually some bread and butter winners will be in a position to "save" some of their profits to increase their bankroll, which of course will lead to a bigger profit and bigger bankroll, which of course will lead to an even bigger profit and even bigger bankroll, until one day they too will never again return from paradise.

I do wholeheartedly agree with the protection the pack provides when they are advising a naive wanderer not to wander; for if the wanderer is choosing to wander from misinformation he will inevitably meet his doom. But there are those that have the courage and the "common sense" to research, test and attempt to find codes that fit the mathematical models that are provided to play with; without losing the roof over their heads.

It is insulting sometimes to hear the continual contempt directed toward "intelligent, responsible" wanderers who are having a lot of fun that is also financially rewarding because they enjoy the challenge of looking and searching outside the box; especially if you carefully listen to these people and hear them strongly advocate the golden rules of money management; not chasing losses; having the willpower to stop when the strategy demands it; etc, etc.

Strategy players are not all "stupid" that they need to continually be berated with the same tedious whip which says "you are a fool and you will lose". Maybe those that are doing the berating are just pissed at those that are winning in a different stream.

Cheers
StaceyLee:D
 
I make a living from it but you don't become a millionaire or billionaire from a betting system. Especially if you are drawing a living wage from it. (01) no casino is going to allow you to win too much and (02) my systems are percentage grinders not get rich quick scams.I love you sceptics,so beaten down by your own losing and what you are fed about what is and isn't possible,you dismiss everything without even paper testing it.

The. ZONE and TWO OF A KIND WORK if you run them properly accept small but consistent profits If you're lazy and undisciplined no way will you win.
Very interesting thread! :thumbsup:

Roulette generates a lot of opposing opinions in my head (and probably in other's too). The logical mathematician in me says "systems can never work long-term", but the logic of probability says to me that they should and can work.

I used to dabble quite a bit with my own systems way back in the last century (literally!) before I discovered online casinos, and for a short time online too. But in the end roulette was just too much of an emotional roller-coaster for me to stomach, so I quit playing it. One day, if decent casino bonuses for slots dry up, I may go back to the devils wheel and have another go.
One thing is for sure - it's not for the feint-hearted!

KK
 
Stacey I wasn't sure if you were having your say or showing us a chapter from a manuscript you hope to have published but I'm with you on the message
Sheep mentality,most. People are conditioned to think a certain way.If I tell everyone on this forum, make that the entire world that I can consistently beat roulette and there is a virtual AND REALISTICALLY workable limit in roulette that you can profit from. Not even one in a 100 will take it seriously.I. accept that such is human nature.

The ZONE was developed when I noticed that the majority of losing streaks for the dozens that went beyond 4, came to rest by the 8th spin approx 66% .The strategies real power and worth was realized when I found that while you could enjoy more than 15 wins in a row, you would RARELY suffer more than 4 losses in a row in other words A VIRTUAL LOSS LIMIT. Now no mathematician can explain that. But I sure can profit from it. So when I hear people say no system can work with roulette, the ball has no memory. I say that may be so but it does have a virtual limit.
 
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Yeah I tend to ramble when I get going. Have always failed in trying to say more with less.

I am happy though that the bee and the hummingbird do not understand English and so continue to do what the laws of physics and mathematics tell them they cannot and how they have provided these disciplines with another angle to work with. I also wonder when manmade mathematics became a religion and the laws of mathematics became GOD!

I consistently win using the 111 spin theory but, like any "job", some days this can be tedious and boring and/or I don't have the time to break even for a few hours before hitting the profit margin and logging out. Then there are the days when I have time up my sleave and I'm looking forward to spending some time playing and bang I've reached target in 5 minutes and it's all over - bit like getting the thirst after a couple of beers and finding the fridge empty!

Then my mind starts wandering into other patterns. And as we know, it is developing the greater strike rate in a betting sequence that has one pulling one's hair out whilst throwing away reams and reams of paper - like writing a manuscript, over and over again until the best one arrives!

Curiosity leads me to wanna peak at what the guy in the next cubicle is up to: has he cracked a better strategy; what would he think of mine; maybe talking and listening to other ideas will be a trigger for me to see the missing piece in the jigsaw of my current design; etc, etc. Like the famous five I am working on - sorry can't share a beauty with you in return for yours yet, as the optimum strike rate can take a while to reach and it is still too high risk. It is based on the 111 spin theory, (X amt of numbers will hit more than others), but modified to betting the last 5 spins of each 20 spins according to the dozens. The main purpose is trying to add a bit of extra fun to the 111 spin along the way.

Also by finding/discovering other consistent strike rate patterns it gives me the opportunity to keep playing when: a) one strategy peaks in a very short time and/or b) one strategy has reached loss margin for the day.

Ah I did it again :oops: maybe I should give up playing and become a blogger :rolleyes:

All said and done I am very grateful for the shared info on this thread :thumbsup:

Cheers
StaceyLee
 
I was only messing around stacey your input is appreciated.Would be interesting to hear about the FAVOURITE FIVE, when you are ready to drop it. I Intend to start a separate thread for the zone and 2 of a kind strategies soon. To give a full insight into how they Work, how good they're, posting my results so that others can see roulette really can be beaten...
 
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staceylee

Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything. Thus Far written about roulette. to anwser your? Why I try so Hard, because Such is Human nature, So Many mathematicians say Something is so. All of a sudden the books Closed. Minds turn off.

I know there is another direction to tackle the game from. And with all this free time on My Hands have Made it my endeavour to Spread the word. This is only the Second forum ive Attempted it on in less than a year. Will try 10 more if I Can't Get One soul to See the light, I'll Let it go.

You are an open minded person never lose that. Never just accept what you are told about the possibilities. See you On the Next forums. Stay in touch if you want to. Take care...
 
Thanks for the warm and fuzzy Sentinel, I do enjoy my choice of game and although I don't agree with everything or understand why you are so driven I do wish you well. Take care.

Cheers
StaceyLee
 
"You can't beat roulette..." Yeah I heard that somewhere.... Even the almighty Einstein said "You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it"
Well, I agree that for most of the population, it's like a law of physics, come on, it's friggin Einstein! :notworthy
And then, there are individuals making steady profit at roulette, despite what mathematicians said. LONG TERM. I believe roulette IS a very hard game, to be beaten in long term, but it is possible! So my friends don't get discouraged by others saying it's not possible and find your way to financial freedom. You can see what I mean here
I am sorry, I am not going to comment, sell or share my system.
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Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything. Thus Far written about roulette. to anwser your? Why I try so Hard, because Such is Human nature, So Many mathematicians say Something is so. All of a sudden the books Closed. Minds turn off.

I know there is another direction to tackle the game from. And with all this free time on My Hands have Made it my endeavour to Spread the word. This is only the Second forum ive Attempted it on in less than a year. Will try 10 more if I Can't Get One soul to See the light, I'll Let it go.

You are an open minded person never lose that. Never just accept what you are told about the possibilities. See you On the Next forums. Stay in touch if you want to. Take care...

Sure, I'm up for watching another thread get closed...

Sentinel, there is exactly one person who you are describing as closed-minded, and it's you. You act like you believe in what you're doing (I have my suspicions about that now. FTR, I truly believe you are an attention-seeking forum troll). That's all fine and dandy, but then you have started trolling gambling forums to tell people that your system is the way. Even though it's obviously NOT the ONLY way, and no more successful than any other sytem in that genre, you keep using double speak and all sorts of smoke screens floating around to avoid direct questions or scrutiny of either your logic behind it, or your random posted results.

You espouse a direct dislike and contempt for science purely so you can disregard any scientific tests to your 'system'. Again, you are just trying to create the EXACT environment where your method will exceed expectations, and you tell us if we don't validate your control surfaces, we are flawed. :rolleyes:

You freely admitted in the other thread that you didn't come here to make any friends. In as much, you certainly succeeded in that goal. It's apparent that you also didn't come here with any intentions of participating in any threads not focused on YOU. You're not here to help anyone, you have no casino experiences that might benefit others with less. While none of this is criteria for membership, it does in fact make a better member in someone who is willing to stop talking about themselves for 5 minutes in order to help someone else. Therefore, your only purpose here is entirely one dimensional, and as such, you are the one who is narrow and closed.

If the shoe fits, mate. :thumbsup:

- Keith
 
[..snip.. you can read it above..]

When Einstein made that quote, there was not electronic gaming allowing for 80-100+ spins per hour. You can make money from roulette, I have done it. It's the only game that I've ever walked away from with a sizable profit to be proud of.

Some of the more annoying people who are obsessively pro-roulette systems have started twisting what we're saying into thing we've never said. As for me, I've never said you can't beat a roulette session. Never said you can't earn a profit, nor ever said you can't earn a profit multiple times.

What I've said, and what is fact is, a roulette system based on patterns is not real. It's a belief system. You believe you're seeing something. If you win, you believe it proves your pattern or theory. It transcends a game of chance and becomes a religion, and we all know how discussions of religion ALWAYS turns out.

Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith
 
Obviously this forum has no room for anyone who doesn't stay in the pack and bow to everything...
I disagree - this forum has no room for scam artists. People who push roulette systems are scam artists exploiting this forum and their accounts will be closed. I gave you some slack over the weekend since I just can't be bothered with this. But all it will take is a few Google searches on your postings, email addresses, IPs, user name, etc., etc., and I'm sure I'll connect you to the "systems" you are touting.

You can then kiss your membership here goodbye. I've already warned you, so it's tough titty if you have no account no mo'.
 
Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith

I pasted my videos only for people who do not believe in a profit from roulette. You would be suprised how far you can go, when you play this game for 2 years everyday for several hours. Your understanding of things goes from shity "systems" like martingale to advanced techniques. I personaly don't use any "system". I play dynamicaly and just adapt to the table. But I am not here to teach my roulette religion, nor persuade people about "my way". All I wanted is just to contribute to the topic. Yes, I agree, 2 videos mean nothing in the big picture, but I am recording every game, test or real and all pro players should do the same.
Peace.
 
They don't seem to be trying to sell anyone roulette systems, which makes a nice change for a "Roulette system" thread:)

It seems to be the mathematical logic vs the human desire to see predictable patterns in a random, but fairly complex, system.

Live roulette CAN be beaten, but only when a certain set of circumstances coincide. Casinos know this, so continually move the wheels around, and rotate croupiers to prevent them going on "autopilot", where the outcomes lose some of their randomness.

RNG roulette, on the other hand, is effectively a robot croupier on an unbiased wheel. If the RNG is fair, the game is unbeatable.

Those who are making a living with roulette systems are either playing on a live dealer game, or are using the leverage of bonuses online.

The short term systems discussed are nothing more than disciplined bankroll management, as in "play, win, get out". Provided players know when to quit, as in "play, lose, quit", rather than "play, lose, sell the house", it is very likely that MOST sessions will end with a profit.

The scientific way to validate any system is to keep accurate records, and stick at it for many years. Forget theory, if the results of experiment contradict theory over a very long period of time, the theory needs to be reconsidered.

In 10 years time, it will be interesting to see whether the SAME people as now are STILL in long term profit with their roulette systems.

The same thing applies to slot systems, yet there has been a recent trend by casinos of calling out SLOTS players as "bonus abusers", and some players have even been told that they are "too clever with the slots" and banned. Even the OPERATORS seem to be doubting the mathematical logic in the face of contradictory results.

Even if these systems don't work, it is FUN TRYING to find that novel way to beat the house. My dad spent most of his life trying to find a system for the horses based on the previous results of each horse in a race. He often had systems that worked for a couple of years, consistently, but eventually they all fell apart, and he had to invent new ones. He died never having found his "holy grail" of a system to beat the bookies based purely on the daily racing pages in the newspapers.
 
If we can discuss this civilly, this is all good information for people to know. There's some inconsistencies with what you've said. I'll point it out, feel free to correct me where I'm misunderstanding you...

Keep in mind, I use roulette systems. Not because I think they work, but because it makes a meaningless game have a meaning, hence more entertaining while I'm playing.

[..snip..] Your understanding of things goes from shity "systems" like martingale to advanced techniques.

Martingale is not a system, it's a wagering progression. Systems pick numbers, wagering progressions dictate how the pick is wagered. Unless each wager is dead on first loss, every system has a wagering progression attached.

If I say play any extreme outside group (1-18, 19-36, Even, Odd, Red, Black at 1:1 odds) if it has lost 9 times in a row, wager 10 units, and if it loses, start over, then that is a system without a progression. If I say then, if it loses, add x number of units to your previous wager, then that's a system with a progression. A Martingale progression is extremely defined and rigid. Most wagering progressions are modified Martingales.

I personaly don't use any "system". I play dynamicaly and just adapt to the table.

Well, I'll have to disagree with that statement. It's impossible to play an organized roulette session without a selection process. I want you to think about the most ludicrous way you could place a chip on a selection or region and not use a system. How about we turn our back to the table, and politely toss a chip onto the table, behind our back and without looking. Random enough? Great. Except that's now a system! Any system ever devised has just took that basic idea and expanded upon it!

Whatever criteria you are using to 'adapt' to the table, and then wager, is a system.

To say you play 'dynamically' states you use a system. There is no way to adapt and change a wager from any selection or region to another without some criteria to dictate it. No matter what that trigger is, it's a system. Again, if the lady next to you coughs twice in a row, and you then play 'Black', that's a system. For most people, and I'm going to say fairly assured, including you, the only trigger available that makes any sense to the human brain (even though it doesn't make ACTUAL sense), is to use spins that have passed. Why? Well, it's impossible to use spins forward! Why, if we knew those... ;) What other criteria exists? The game only sports numbers that have dropped, and numbers that will drop in the future. We cannot know the latter, so we're left with little else to work here with.

So at this point, we're not asking you to reveal your secrets. Just tell me honestly, do you make wagering selections on the past results? I certainly do. If you absolutely do NOT, again, without revealing ALL of it, please let us know what you do use? That would make for a vastly interesting subject!

Here's what I've come to understand about roulette discussions... using a system (as defined above) has had a stigma attached to it, and it has grown more pronounced since the information age has developed. Back in the 80's, roulette systems were sold out of the backs of magazines or the backs of station wagons on the strip in Vegas, and there were no Forums available to discuss or debate them. You either 'believed' and invested your bankroll, or you wussed out and just played slots all night.

Nowadays, people who use systems have started to try and obfuscate what exactly a system is, and after defining it to their satisfaction, they label their system - wait for it - not a system! Well, I believe we've taken care of that load of excrement!

Maybe people who say they do not use a system actually have OJ's syndrome and actually believe they aren't using one if they repeat it enough times... but they are. I think that more than likely everyone knows they are using a system, but are just a bit shy of the huge overwhelming tidal wave of brow beating they are going to endure. Instead, they use all kinds of polite and arbitrary ways to describe their system and then announce "but it's not a system!"

I don't bite. Care to discuss this?

- Keith
 
I decided to not share my experiences. I was wrong hoping casinomeister is a good place to share ideas about roulette. This place is full of people blaming roulette players of selling systems and shit. I am not interested in being judged as scam artist after every of my posts. Goodbye
 
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Roulette Systems other thread.
I would love to see this Roulette System thing work in action.
If you plan a trip to Foxwoods or the Mohegan Sun please let me know so I can see it making the Roulette player a big bankroll.
After all this I may retire from my real job & get into Roulette.
I just don't believe in this stuff.
If all casino's had players that had a winning system all casino's would have to close.
Next we will hear how you can Win at Slots.

My concern is that newbies are lead to believe that Roulette Systems work. My experience shows that there are a high number of unscrupulous individuals that will exploit forums such as these to gain SEO rankings on key words (you don't necessarily need a link). Once in a while one of these guys will post the same thing in a number of forums hoping that people will either start Googling key terms or PMing him for further info. The end point is the Roulette system website that has affiliate links to whatever casino.

The way these system hype artists are making money is by convincing people to make deposits at these casinos, and he makes a profit from their losses. So much for a system that works :rolleyes:

This is one of the reasons I'm pretty hard-nosed against "system" touting threads. Me no like 'em.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/confused-about-strategy-discussions.42313/

The Closed Thread On Roulette Systems
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/how-to-win-at-roulette.42235/
 
I disagree - this forum has no room for scam artists. People who push roulette systems are scam artists exploiting this forum and their accounts will be closed. I gave you some slack over the weekend since I just can't be bothered with this. But all it will take is a few Google searches on your postings, email addresses, IPs, user name, etc., etc., and I'm sure I'll connect you to the "systems" you are touting.

You can then kiss your membership here goodbye. I've already warned you, so it's tough titty if you have no account no mo'.

I shouldn't even be acknowledging this scandalous post. I CHALLENGE YOU to find me selling ANY SYSTEMS. I have no need to do so as the two that I use ACTUALLY WORK. Ever thought about that? Don't worry I won't be posting anything else on this forum to your delight.

Some people want to stay in the dark, and believe outdated flawed maths theories. I will leave you there, good day...
 
I shouldn't even be acknowledging this scandalous post. I CHALLENGE YOU to find me selling ANY SYSTEMS. I have no need to do so as the two that I use ACTUALLY WORK. Ever thought about that? Don't worry I won't be posting anything else on this forum to your delight.

Some people want to stay in the dark, and believe outdated flawed maths theories. I will leave you there, good day...

:lolup:

But seriously, good for you that it works. :thumbsup: Have you taken up my advice to get increased limits to really start earning money? Or does the ZONE only work up to a certain betsize?

And is it really that wize of you to give away all the details regarding the ZONE? I mean, if everybody start using it, the casinos will go bust\roulette will be removed from the casinos. How are you then planning to bring food on the table?
 
I guess I am never going to agree with you "system" guys....all I can say is if you are correct then all my years studying Mathematics at University were wasted and the laws of probability are flawed.
 
Michael Shackleford says that anyone selling a 'system' is a scam artist.
Computer simulations show that no system will ever overcome the HE.
 
When Einstein made that quote, there was not electronic gaming allowing for 80-100+ spins per hour. You can make money from roulette, I have done it. It's the only game that I've ever walked away from with a sizable profit to be proud of.

Some of the more annoying people who are obsessively pro-roulette systems have started twisting what we're saying into thing we've never said. As for me, I've never said you can't beat a roulette session. Never said you can't earn a profit, nor ever said you can't earn a profit multiple times.

What I've said, and what is fact is, a roulette system based on patterns is not real. It's a belief system. You believe you're seeing something. If you win, you believe it proves your pattern or theory. It transcends a game of chance and becomes a religion, and we all know how discussions of religion ALWAYS turns out.

Unless you are some sort of savant, you cannot be a 'professional' anything inside of 2 years. You haven't seen the worst yet. We applaud your success, but 2 YouTube videos, nor 20 for that matter, really means much to the bigger picture. Grats on your winnings!

- Keith
So which is it? You knock Bitchard but claim to win yourself. You can't grasp that he is winning within two years. I believe him more than I believe you.
 

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