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Roulette Strategy

Discussion in 'Skill Games' started by davey, Dec 27, 2010.

    Dec 27, 2010
  1. davey

    davey Dormant account

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    Roulette is a game of chance but unlike most other casino games, the player has the advantage of only betting if the 'law of averages' are in his favour.
    If you record number at land or online casinos after 1000 spins you will see that all numbers hit pretty much as often as the next. In my opinion this gives the player a chance to develop a successful strategy.

    Sure, I agree there are no 'certainty systems' but there are many stategies one can use to make losing less of a certainty.

    Most experienced roulette players will agree that in the majority of their roulette sessions there was a point when they were in front. The problem with most of us is knowing when the tide has turned against us and being able to quit whilst we are ahead.

    That has been my challenge sinse I started playing online 2 years ago. I have a couple of lessons I have learned and they are-

    (1) You must treat every session as a new beginning. In other words have an amount you want to win on the session. If it is $100 make sure you stop at $100. Don't think foolishly that this could be the day when you get back all the losses of the past 10 years!

    (2) Stick you your staking plan. If you start to lose don't double up, and up, and up. A certain recipe for disaster.

    (3) Probably a gamblers most difficult attribute to attain....Patience! You must have a strategy of some kind or you will lose for sure. Follow your strategy rules even if it means you may have to watch the wheel for 5 minutes. It should not be a problem with online gaming as unlike land casinos games are much faster.

    (4) Another difficult strategy for all of us is also the most important and its to do with self control. Have a maximum amount you can lose in any session and stick to it!! It's taken me 30 years but I finally think I have have this one beaten.(well, at least most of the time!)

    Another reason I like Bet Voyager is that you can take a certain stake into each game from your main bank at the site. Sure you can reload but it gives you a chance to have a think before you do so. Along with NO ZERO this allows you to have a real chance at actually winning.

    Good luck and a lucky and happy new year to all.
    Davey
     
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  2. Jan 3, 2011
  3. pokeraddict

    pokeraddict Webmaster

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    Roulette posts in the skill game section? Is there any game that requires less skill? Keno and slots require about the same skill....
     
  4. Jan 4, 2011
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    This is true of ALL casino games. The other points you made were equally valid for other games, which is why I thanked your post. Great advice!

    There are some forums which are just full of Roulette "systems" - all complete nonsense of course, because whichever way you look at it Roulette wheels do NOT have memories; ANY number can come up on ANY spin regardless of what has gone before, and wherever or whenever you place your chips on the table, your bet is ALWAYS exposed to the HA of the game. You can't avoid it.

    KK
     
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  6. Jan 6, 2011
  7. Rick Deckard

    Rick Deckard Experienced Member

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    That's of course very true that Roulette wheels are without memories as they are true random giving mechanical devices, though davy mentioned at the end of his post that he plays at Betvoyager which doesn't have live mechanical roulette only software roulette. Realistically your playing against a near randomness generating computer algorithm (as with all online casino software games). with each result then being relayed to a 2D Roulette wheel and ball simulation, that said, it's possible the computer algorithm has a memory though unlikely. It does mean however that software results cannot produce true randomness results, only very near randomness results so much so that it's almost impossible to detect a difference through statistical checks of millions of collated spins.

    As I play both mechanical and software roulette, I do observe more repeating numbers with software roulette (I put this repeating anomaly into Lost in Statistics) to which I don't see on live roulette. This could be due to many things like the fewer numbers that are spun and observed in live roulette as it much slower than software based roulette and maybe selective memory plays a part with the subconcious memory or it's possible algorithms actually do emit small runs of observable bias. Whatever it is, I win more at software online roulette playing for the repeats of numbers and that's my strongest skill/strategy along with some of the good strategy points davey posted like a proper staking plan and keeping control not going bonkers after a winning streak.
     
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  8. Jan 7, 2011
  9. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    Great post, Rick! :thumbsup:

    By the way, as for BetVoyager, it's pretty easy to check their RNG by yourself, because you are able to generate as many sequences as you want, and then put them into any analyzing tool.
     
  10. Jan 7, 2011
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The starting point is going to be an analysis of THOUSANDS of spins to see if there is any evidence of "bias" in the wheel. This can be the case with mechanical wheels, but casinos know this, and are ALSO analysing outcomes to check for it.

    Online software is random, but software can also have ERRORS. It is possible that an error creates a bias in the outcomes.

    It is easier to carry out an analysis online (no pitboss asking what the notebook is for:D).

    Microgaming software even HELPS you do this.

    If bias is found, you then need to calculate what effect it has on each number bet, and whether it is possible to create a bet pattern that produces a long term edge for the player.

    A software cock-up has currently rendered Crypto Single Deck BJ slightly +EV by around 0.05% (dealer stands on soft 17, but is supposed to hit).

    It DOES happen;)
     
  12. Jan 7, 2011
  13. dazlazz

    dazlazz Experienced Member

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    When williamhill bookmakers 1st put roulette machines in their land based shops, there was a technical fault on the system, wherby you could track where the ball would land within a range of 8 numbers - this lead to a lot of people winning and getting completely hooked. Hills eventually realised the problem, changed the software and put an inbuilt house edge into the machines (about 20%) - seeing as these machines are not audited under UK gaming law - they can get away with it. Unfortunately those hooked are still playing and still losing.
     
  14. Jan 7, 2011
  15. Jufo

    Jufo Three-toed sloth

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    I very much doubt that such "errors" are not deliberate as they always seem to favour the house. So learning which numbers come often is not likely to help as the patterns will change depending on what you bet on.

    I have some doubts about the fairness of MG roulette, given how many times I seem to lose a bet on two dozens which in all fairness, should win more than lose. But it's not rare to see 5-8 losing spins in a row on two dozens and the ball seems to be really scared to land on a number that has a bet on it, so to speak.

    Also, casino software Orbis Openbet has a warning of nearly impossible losing results on Roulette: You must register/login in order to see the link.. Orbis Openbet is the software provider for the games section of many reputable bookies, including Ladbrokes, so these bookies might take a risk with using a software that has a history of statistically abnormal losing results, because they have a lot to lose if they get caught.
     
  16. Jan 7, 2011
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    I heard of that:D

    They are effectively "Fruit Machines", which are prone to "emptiers", of which was the William Hill error.

    The problem is that players probably thought it was their SKILL that helped them win, rather than an "emptier". They are hooked because they are trying to re-learn that lost "skill".

    Unless they make the 80% RTP quite clear, they could find Trading Standards after them, because "life experience" tells us that Roulette is NOT a slot game, and should have an edge according to the paytables.

    Where a game is "rigged", like most Fruit Machines, it is now required that a statement about this is on the front of the machine. These take the form "it is possible that the player will be presented with a choice for which there is no winning outcome", and, "the odds of winning are not necessarily those displayed", which is used on machines with a Hi/Lo gamble reel with numbers. This allows the machine to throw in "12" on an "11" more than the natural odds would suggest. Skilled players KNOW this, and more;)
     
  18. Jan 21, 2011
  19. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

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    Don't even waste your time discussing roulette strategy on this forum go join a roulette forum .......I did. You can argue til your blue in the face betting 11 streets gives you an advantage, Most here will say nope it don't, YOu can argue betting 35 numbers is a pretty sure bet you'll win 1 or 2 times easy they'll say no you won't you can argue common sense cover 66 % of the board and triple up if you lose most times you'll win 3rd spin max and again you'll get a nope there's no winning strategy in roulette response. Trust me keeping roulette strategy discussions to a roulette forum is much more enjoyable and less frustrating. Do what works for you and makes it fun Most of the posters here love the slots.
    As roulette players I hear you we like to design different strategies and methods of play in an attempt to beat the wheel I'll say this once It is super easy to put into practice a winning roulette strategy time and time again what kills you is time at the wheel. GET IN , WIN, GET OUT! I can do this time after time after time, So yeah put your definition on what's long term I consider winning short term repeatedly for the long term to be a long term strategy. But over here ...........Nope black is white and you ain't gonna change it.
    Common sense dictates if you play a certain way and do it back to back constantly your gonna have a bad run if you employ progression it's gonna hurt so like I said take small wins and quit forget about winning all day every day cause it won't work. But you can win 1 or 2 times a day every day pretty easy.
     
  20. Jan 21, 2011
  21. Sentinel

    Sentinel Dormant account

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    Good post davey

    Many people think ROULETTE Isn't beatable over the long term. This may be true. But I can tell you without hesitation, it most certainly is beatable over the short term. And the key is to play alot of short term sessions making small but consistent profits. As the saying goes from little acorns grow mighty oaks. And this thought should be applied to roulette. I have developed two strategies over the last five years that consistently beat the numbered wheel. AS LONG as you play relatively short sessions. You will profit. Over the coming weeks I will share these strategies with other members of casiomeister. I will leave you with some food for thought. How often do you see the ball hit any dozen four times OR MORE, to then hit another dozen four or more times straight afterwards? VERY SELDOM, Do some testing on that one piece of information alone. IT WILL AMAZE YA.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2011
  22. Jan 22, 2011
  23. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

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    Yay roulette chatter :yahoo: Great thread Davey :thumbsup:
    Gotta say I do agree with roulette guy but I am a die hard fan of this forum so I just keep waiting for little gems like this one.

    Way to go Sentinel. I too have been formulating my own betting strategies for roulette, even given a pet name to my favourite so far: "The Famous Five". God that sounds like I need a life, when I actually only do this in my spare time when I'm not doing stuff with my kids or studying. Swear I'm going blind from all the number crunching tho - but it's all in a good days work and worth the pay off.

    So I will certainly be one member waiting with a pos response to your techniques. Look forward to hearing some more. Thanks for your post.

    Cheers
    Stacey Lee
     
  24. Jan 22, 2011
  25. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

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    Well I did a bit of research Sentinel and found you to probably be one and the same as Fender1000 on another forum.

    I was able to read your strategies being the Zone, which you claim to use as your bread and butter; and the Crossplay 5.

    I have modified the Zone strategy and started simulations and I have to say that so far I like what I see. Win $1k and lose $300 after every 100 sets is definitely good bread and butter cashflow.

    I would be interested to hear more from yourself and any other roulette players if they care to share.

    Cheers
    StaceyLee
     
  26. Jan 22, 2011
  27. Sentinel

    Sentinel Dormant account

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    hello staceylee

    Lol I am fender1000 but how did you find the zone. It is an excellent strategy but I tweaked its fundamentals to come up with what I consider an even stronger strategy I call "TWO OF A KIND". Like the zone it is based on covering the dozens, but instead of trying to target a winner between spins 5---8 as the zone does. We go after a pair of dozens. For example if we wait until the ball hasn't hit two consecutive dozens for 4 consectutive spins. We then aim to hit a pair over the next 5 spins. I have found there are less streaks that go beyond 9 with this or double figure streaks than with the zone. The zone is fantastic. But two of a kind has so far delivered an even better strike rate. Of course you will get streaks that go beyond 9 but its uncommon to get two in a row. And virtually unknown to get three. With the zone from time to time you would get something as follows 5,5,6,7,6,--10--12--09--7,6,7,8. See how long you'd wait to get that with two of a kind. And with my clause for stopping after two consecutive wins between 5---9 you could go weeks without a loss as I have done. Like the zone I always commence betting AFTER there has been a losing streak below is an example of TWO OF A KIND.

    M--L--H--L--M--M=WIN
    M--L--H--L--M--L--H--L--M--H--L--L=LOSS

    Staking would be over five spins 1pt--1pt--2pts--3pts--4pts=total risk 11pts But like I say the strike rate for TWO OF A KIND might be one of a kind. Because with a disciplined approach of playing no more than two consecutive games a session you can go ages without losing your 11pts while racking up several more. I have a winning streak of 66 in a row without loss using this approach. Interesting?:D
     
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  28. Jan 23, 2011
  29. StaceyLee

    StaceyLee Dormant account

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    Couldn't agree with you more Sentinal, it's very interesting and compliments what I am working on at the moment with the 12's results. I tweaked to start at 5 misses; stop at one hit (hate missing out on the doubles but of course they certainly not consistent enough to lose win over); and end at bet 6 if no hit or break even (even though this is a 21 point loss it is minimal to overall win strike rate), then miss next trigger to look at avoiding streaks. I also pick all triggers even if the trigger started 2 hits before my last bet. And of course money management: set targets then stop work for the day.

    I still have loads more sims to check out and probably tweak further, but it certainly shows a better strike rate than a lot of other strategies.

    Finding a few good strategies and tweaking them in roulette is the same to me as a slots players knowledge of finding the right slots to play, knowing when to play, when to change, how much to play, etc. And although we don't have the pleasure of being one in a million to hit a jackpot, the consistency of wins with a good strategy in roulette adds up in the long run to be a jackpot paid in instalments.

    Cheers
    StaceyLee

    P.S. One forum had the Zone details posted and reference to you, so I copied and printed. There were posters in and out of favour with it after the post but I didn't read too much further as I was only interested in looking at the strategy. I think because so many cons out there tout they have a guaranteed way of making money gambling, all skills games strategies are thrown into the pile of "They are all Crap and YOU WILL LOSE" and for sure there is a lot of crap in the pile. But there are players who are experienced, (and/or learning), to be past the gullible stage and realise that combination strategies, (as Davey and other successful, experienced skills games players state on this forum), can make for rewarding returns. So if something interests me I look at it with an open mind then apply research into as many angles as I can and arrive at my own opinion. As my "Famous Five" uses the dozen in conjunction with numbers hit over a set number of spins, I was keen to see this strategy and am having fun with my sims.
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2011
  30. Jan 23, 2011
  31. Sentinel

    Sentinel Dormant account

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    Absolutely!!!!!

    Good morning staceylee just curious about a few things did you find the zone at the vlsroulette forum? A. please go into more depth about the rules/workings of the FAMOUS FIVE such as staking plan, strike rate etc, I am always openminded to new concepts. I used the zone for ten years until another member came up with the Crossplay 5 idea as a result of the Zone being posted.The only annoying problem with both of them was what to do with twin qualifiers, TWO OF A KIND has addressed this as you can only have one qualifier at a time even though you might have to wait a while for it. Totally agree we are making our money in small increments rather than one jackpot hit. PATIENCE is everything...Sorry meant favourite five...
     
  32. Jan 23, 2011
  33. raj

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    In roulette you are playing a random,skill less game with a built in house edge. Any half decent mathematician in the world can prove that such a game, if played fairly, is unbeatable (save for any software errors or phsyical bias in wheel). Roulette should be treated as a fun game you will have good times and win sometimes, mayhbe evn big, but ultimately it a game that you will lose at in the long term, the financial cost of losing should be seen as your payment for being entertained/amused.

    The roulette machine in bookies shops also play fair, despite many rumours to the contrary. They are random and payout in the long term around 97% , as expected by the built in house advantage. They are not compensated machines and each spin is random and independant. As an ex manager for a big betting firm I have seen years worth of figures which show this to be true.

    Everyone loves a conspiricy theory.....but sorry to dissapoint
    1) No roulette system can ever work
    2) Roulette machine in bookies play fair

    Raj
     
  34. Jan 23, 2011
  35. Sentinel

    Sentinel Dormant account

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    Sorry but I do not share the mass attitude towards roulette being unbeatable. WHY? because I have been beating it for eleven years now. You mention longterm, that has always been the crux of. My argument. WHO SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY LONGTERM? My sessions are often over in less than thirty minutes and most of that time is spent waiting for qualifiers. Mathematicians don't think outside the box their thinking is rigid and logical.Therefore it has no real worth when applied to a random game like roulette. Of Einstein were still alive id make him rethink his take on the game.ROULETTE IS ABSOLUTELY BEATABLE over short sessions with an excellent strategy such as the ZONE,TWO. OF. A KIND and THE CROSSPLAY 5, DECODER 3 etc....
     
  36. Jan 23, 2011
  37. raj

    raj Dormant account

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    "qualifiers" ??? The wheel has no memory, each spin is completely independant, the results of previous spins and the results of future spins are in no way influenced by the current spin. There is therefor little point in having any qualifying criteria.

    By the "long term" I mean that any winning session you have is purely the result of good luck, the cumulative affect of all short term sessions over a long period will tend towards a net loss of around 3 percent of tunrnover.

    If you have beaten a fair game of roulette over the long term then either
    a) you are very lucky
    b) you have found a location to play your game which is not playing fair and random, has a bias , and you have exploited that bias

    If you genuinely are in front and have been over a long period of time and are not in denial then I honestly wish you the best of luck and hope that it continues. But to so say the game is beatable is a mathematical untruth which I do feel the need to correct.

    Raj
     
  38. Jan 23, 2011
  39. rouletteguy

    rouletteguy Experienced Member

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    Gotta agree with Sentinel when you employ a strategy in roulette you are betting that the specific sequence of events that will kick your A** won't come up. The more "demanding" that sequence is and specific the better your chances of winning.

    For example say your extremely careful and play 11 streets BUT ONLY after a street has repeated 3 times and you then place your bets that that street will not repeat a 4th time so you leave that street uncovered. 99 times out of 100 that street is gonna miss and your up.

    Yep it can happen that it'll repeat and you lose but more than likely it won't
    This is a simple "specific" strategy there are better ones that look for extremely specific patterns before betting. but This simple strategy works for me regularily without waiting for a street to repeat just go in and bet the last 1 won't appear (repeat) and you won't hit a zero and don't be greedy. If you play this over and over a street will repeat and then your out 11 times what you would have won.
     

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