Rough returns @ CLub World vs InetBet vs Intertops

[lockinlove]

Not having much luck with this casino group! clubworld. And to be honest I notice huge differences when I play between the three casinos. ANy time I log into the club world group the slots are the coldest things around. Ice ice cold. Time after time. I log into the other two casinos and up and down..wins losses.

I had support run some numbers for me.

I am mostly a low roller. Bets from $.50-$1. The odd time taking shots with bigger bets

Amounts wagered $35,313.06


All Star lots this year your RTP is 80.3% (total 89.7 although I am going to look into that number because I believe it is way off)


Aladdins Gold 71.5% but you only made two deposits back in 2012 and the account is closed.



Club World 74.5% but you have only made one deposit in here and it is active.



High Noon 57.3% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Lucky Red 95.8% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Manhattan Slots 46.5% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.




InetBet

Amount wagered $29,083.43

RTP 104.8%

Intertops

Amount wagered $37,943.51

RTP 102.1%

I think I know what RTG I should stick with and which I shouldnt.


Anyways, just curious if others get this ice chill from club world. Would be nice to see other players numbers too.

Good support and fast payouts so its not all bad!! And lots of freebies too.

 

[Vegasbum]

I get the ice chill from all RTG casinos. I have not played in them for more than a year. You have been very lucky to keep your RTP above 100% at the other two. I would keep playing at Intertops and Inetbet as long as you get those numbers.

 

[weesie]

Hi,

From what you have posted, it would be hard to get a real feel for how you

are doing.

One, maybe 2 deposits at one or two of CWC casinos is not enough to pass

judgement. No deposits on the others.

I don't even want to know how much I have deposited over the years at

CWC group. Over the last 2-3 years I have dropped the CWC casinos I

play at to Club World and Lucky Red. Then an occasional deposit at

Buzzluck.

My only problem with the CWC group is the unholy slow, slow spins on

the slots. I get frustrated with it and just zero out to be done with it.

I have a good, fairly new desktop pc, running windows 8.

I do have a new modem and router coming next week. Comcast seems

to think we need an updated one.

If that doesn't improve my play at CWC group, I will probably give up.

 

[dougmanct]

At the end of the day, Club World refusing to disclose the current RTP settings on its games tells you all you need to know about the "tightness" of the games. If they were even close to being competitive, the RTP would be all over their site, the client, their marketing emails. Since it is a closely guarded secret, it's just common sense that it's a secret because the portion of the player base that understands the dramatic difference in the experience between say, a specific game set to 92% or lower RTP, vs. the same game set to 96% or higher, would close their CWC accounts en masse if they knew the true RTP of the games they were playing.

And i have a hard time believing that the several year old knowledge of the RTP settings for RTG games is still current/accurate. I'd love to be proven wrong, or for someone in the know to set the record straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've largely quit playing because I too have seen a dramatic downturn in results over the past year or so.

 

[Deeplay]

At the end of the day, Club World refusing to disclose the current RTP settings on its games tells you all you need to know about the "tightness" of the games. If they were even close to being competitive, the RTP would be all over their site, the client, their marketing emails. Since it is a closely guarded secret, it's just common sense that it's a secret because the portion of the player base that understands the dramatic difference in the experience between say, a specific game set to 92% or lower RTP, vs. the same game set to 96% or higher, would close their CWC accounts en masse if they knew the true RTP of the games they were playing.

And i have a hard time believing that the several year old knowledge of the RTP settings for RTG games is still current/accurate. I'd love to be proven wrong, or for someone in the know to set the record straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've largely quit playing because I too have seen a dramatic downturn in results over the past year or so.

That is what totally sucks about RTG the way they can have 3 different settings and the player never knows really which one they are. Or indeed how often they can change it. Thank god UK regulated casinos have to publish each slots RTP these days. RTG software is way outdated and years behind. The window the slot loads in looks like the size of a postage stamp on bigger screens. Crap all round. Come the day when the USA opens its doors to online gaming again RTG will be history! Feel for our American cousins who are stuck with this garbage right now.

 

[lockinlove]

Hi,

From what you have posted, it would be hard to get a real feel for how you

are doing.

One, maybe 2 deposits at one or two of CWC casinos is not enough to pass

judgement. No deposits on the others.

I don't even want to know how much I have deposited over the years at

CWC group. Over the last 2-3 years I have dropped the CWC casinos I

play at to Club World and Lucky Red. Then an occasional deposit at

Buzzluck.

My only problem with the CWC group is the unholy slow, slow spins on

the slots. I get frustrated with it and just zero out to be done with it.

I have a good, fairly new desktop pc, running windows 8.

I do have a new modem and router coming next week. Comcast seems

to think we need an updated one.

If that doesn't improve my play at CWC group, I will probably give up.

Well in all honesty its not really at all.

Whether they are deposits or not its still real play with terrible returns all over the place. To see that kind of rtp all over is pretty bad.

Lets say they were deposits all of them. I can tell you that id be close to 20-30 straight deposits lost with the biggest win probably being 50x. Some of those free chips were also between $30-$100 and many of my deposits had me with starting rolls of $400. I am also down $3000+ with their casino group and ive played there for years with very few speakable wins.

Its really my own fault because Im from Canada and I have tonnes of options...why I choose there is borderline idiotic lol. I got in the mind frame of ok so many lost deposits so many wild cold streak...$400..$200 last an hour or two with low bets. Its my time soon. After a very long time of thinking its my time. I chose to just stop and move on.

At the end of the day, Club World refusing to disclose the current RTP settings on its games tells you all you need to know about the "tightness" of the games. If they were even close to being competitive, the RTP would be all over their site, the client, their marketing emails. Since it is a closely guarded secret, it's just common sense that it's a secret because the portion of the player base that understands the dramatic difference in the experience between say, a specific game set to 92% or lower RTP, vs. the same game set to 96% or higher, would close their CWC accounts en masse if they knew the true RTP of the games they were playing.

And i have a hard time believing that the several year old knowledge of the RTP settings for RTG games is still current/accurate. I'd love to be proven wrong, or for someone in the know to set the record straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've largely quit playing because I too have seen a dramatic downturn in results over the past year or so.

The RTP comment you make is very true. Why the keep it hidden is ridiculous.

 

[weesie]

All Star lots this year your RTP is 80.3% (total 89.7 although I am going to look into that number because I believe it is way off)


Aladdins Gold 71.5% but you only made two deposits back in 2012 and the account is closed.



Club World 74.5% but you have only made one deposit in here and it is active.



High Noon 57.3% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Lucky Red 95.8% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Manhattan Slots 46.5% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.




InetBet

Amount wagered $29,083.43

RTP 104.8%

Intertops

Amount wagered $37,943.51

RTP 102.1%

One thing I notice is you don't say the quantity of deposits for InetBet & Intertops. Just the RTP's and total wagers.

Were there a lot of deposits at those 2 sites?
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Then, This statement:

"""""""Lets say they were deposits all of them. I can tell you that id be close to 20-30 straight deposits lost with the biggest win probably being 50x. Some of those free chips were also between $30-$100 and many of my deposits had me with starting rolls of $400""""""

Saying you had 20-30 FREEBIES in this group, CWC.

And MANY deposits "starting me with bankroll of $400"

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So most of your MANY deposits were with All Star Slots? If I am reading this right.

I deduced this because you state, ""one deposit at CWC and two deposits at Aladdins."" The rest of them none.

This just BEGS the question, "HOW did you get so MANY freebies?""

I am a fairly regular depositor at Lucky Red and Club World and I very, very rarely get a freebie.

Tell me your secret please!!

If they were real cash deposits and your play was that bad, I could understand wanting to abandon the group.

But, they weren't, the majority anyway.

I see it as you got a little/or lots of playtime for NO financial investment what-so-ever.

You got a win in my opinion.

 

[lockinlove]

One thing I notice is you don't say the quantity of deposits for InetBet & Intertops. Just the RTP's and total wagers.

Were there a lot of deposits at those 2 sites?
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Then, This statement:

"""""""Lets say they were deposits all of them. I can tell you that id be close to 20-30 straight deposits lost with the biggest win probably being 50x. Some of those free chips were also between $30-$100 and many of my deposits had me with starting rolls of $400""""""

Saying you had 20-30 FREEBIES in this group, CWC.

And MANY deposits "starting me with bankroll of $400"

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So most of your MANY deposits were with All Star Slots? If I am reading this right.

I deduced this because you state, ""one deposit at CWC and two deposits at Aladdins."" The rest of them none.

This just BEGS the question, "HOW did you get so MANY freebies?""

I am a fairly regular depositor at Lucky Red and Club World and I very, very rarely get a freebie.

Tell me your secret please!!

If they were real cash deposits and your play was that bad, I could understand wanting to abandon the group.

But, they weren't, the majority anyway.

I see it as you got a little/or lots of playtime for NO financial investment what-so-ever.

You got a win in my opinion.

yeah youre def reading it wrong..lol

When I said 20-30 (and thats only meant as 20-30 straight losses in a row with no cashouts) that was free chips combined with deposits. For every couple hundred I lose they give me a freebie. Im surprised you are surprised...They even have a cashback thread where they give players lots of free chips who are losing.

Losing over $3000 as a low roller and getting little playtime is def not "NO financial investment" nor is it a win.

The majority is cash deposits.

But as I did state they have been good with the free chips too. So not complaining there.

All three casinos are pretty close to comparable in terms of playtime. I obv have not had to deposit as much as clubworld....my playtime would last ages longer....my bankroll would last....But I didnt get many freechips at the other casinos simply because im a winner

Yes most of my deposits are with allstar. They would give me a freebie in another casino to try and change my luck

 

[spintee]

That is what totally sucks about RTG the way they can have 3 different settings and the player never knows really which one they are. Or indeed how often they can change it. Thank god UK regulated casinos have to publish each slots RTP these days. RTG software is way outdated and years behind. The window the slot loads in looks like the size of a postage stamp on bigger screens. Crap all round. Come the day when the USA opens its doors to online gaming again RTG will be history! Feel for our American cousins who are stuck with this garbage right now.

I agree with that, If and when USA opens its doors theses casinos will be history, & so should most of them be

 

[suzecat]

yeah youre def reading it wrong..lol

When I said 20-30 (and thats only meant as 20-30 straight losses in a row with no cashouts) that was free chips combined with deposits. For every couple hundred I lose they give me a freebie. Im surprised you are surprised...They even have a cashback thread where they give players lots of free chips who are losing.

Losing over $3000 as a low roller and getting little playtime is def not "NO financial investment" nor is it a win.

The majority is cash deposits.

But as I did state they have been good with the free chips too. So not complaining there.

All three casinos are pretty close to comparable in terms of playtime. I obv have not had to deposit as much as clubworld....my playtime would last ages longer....my bankroll would last....But I didnt get many freechips at the other casinos simply because im a winner

Yes most of my deposits are with allstar. They would give me a freebie in another casino to try and change my luck

It sounds like you favor casinos that throw you a bunch of freebies! That's the real LOL mate!

 

[lockinlove]

It sounds like you favor casinos that throw you a bunch of freebies! That's the real LOL mate!

I do appreciate them when constantly losing for sure. But id rather win with my money than get compensated with a freebie with wagering cause im losing

 

[spintee]

It sounds like you favor casinos that throw you a bunch of freebies! That's the real LOL mate!

I do appreciate them when constantly losing for sure. But id rather win with my money than get compensated with a freebie with wagering cause im losing

Why not, Nothing wrong with a free chip, You rarely see them now days any way so good to get a few, Especially when your lucks out, I only seem to get a god run of a frebie until wager is about clear and back to normal lose

 

[Deanna]

Not having much luck with this casino group! clubworld. And to be honest I notice huge differences when I play between the three casinos. ANy time I log into the club world group the slots are the coldest things around. Ice ice cold. Time after time. I log into the other two casinos and up and down..wins losses.

I had support run some numbers for me.

I am mostly a low roller. Bets from $.50-$1. The odd time taking shots with bigger bets

Amounts wagered $35,313.06


All Star lots this year your RTP is 80.3% (total 89.7 although I am going to look into that number because I believe it is way off)


Aladdins Gold 71.5% but you only made two deposits back in 2012 and the account is closed.



Club World 74.5% but you have only made one deposit in here and it is active.



High Noon 57.3% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Lucky Red 95.8% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.



Manhattan Slots 46.5% but you never made a deposit in the casino so this is only based on a free chip and account is closed.




InetBet

Amount wagered $29,083.43

RTP 104.8%

Intertops

Amount wagered $37,943.51

RTP 102.1%

I think I know what RTG I should stick with and which I shouldnt.


Anyways, just curious if others get this ice chill from club world. Would be nice to see other players numbers too.

Good support and fast payouts so its not all bad!! And lots of freebies too.

I only play at CWC and High Noon. I've no clue what my RTP has been. I know I have cold runs (some real cold runs) and I have hot runs. I just never know and that's why it's called gambling and why I love the thrill of it. I deposited quite a bit last week and finally got a hot run yesterday, cashed out $1900 off a $39 deposit/77% bonus attached. I'm a low roller, usually the highest I bet is a $1. If I lose too much I always get a great VIP bonus which makes me happy. I can't compare to Inetbet and Intertops, I've never played at either one. I'm probably like every gambler, sometimes I feel like the slots are eating me alive but usually after a bad run I'll see some good stuff too. I've hit multiple randoms, mini and max, I hit the Naughty or Nice for over $21k and I hit the Return of the Rudolph for over $4700. So as a regular low roller out there, yes it can happen to you. But if you're hoping it will happen every single time you take a spin...well...

It doesn't look like you made all that many deposits to base a decision on so I find it odd that you're comparing the CWC group to the others when you've obviously bet the bank in those casinos, not in the CWC group. It seems a bit unfair to call them out for their RTP based on what I see above.

 

[lockinlove]

I only play at CWC and High Noon. I've no clue what my RTP has been. I know I have cold runs (some real cold runs) and I have hot runs. I just never know and that's why it's called gambling and why I love the thrill of it. I deposited quite a bit last week and finally got a hot run yesterday, cashed out $1900 off a $39 deposit/77% bonus attached. I'm a low roller, usually the highest I bet is a $1. If I lose too much I always get a great VIP bonus which makes me happy. I can't compare to Inetbet and Intertops, I've never played at either one. I'm probably like every gambler, sometimes I feel like the slots are eating me alive but usually after a bad run I'll see some good stuff too. I've hit multiple randoms, mini and max, I hit the Naughty or Nice for over $21k and I hit the Return of the Rudolph for over $4700. So as a regular low roller out there, yes it can happen to you. But if you're hoping it will happen every single time you take a spin...well...

It doesn't look like you made all that many deposits to base a decision on so I find it odd that you're comparing the CWC group to the others when you've obviously bet the bank in those casinos, not in the CWC group. It seems a bit unfair to call them out for their RTP based on what I see above.

Really? $4000+ in deposits for a low roller and $3000 in losses. Yeah real odd. And how is it strange Im comparing my stats to these other casinos? My play has been more or equal to the other two casinos as posted in my op

I bet the bank on these others casinos? What? Ive stated I have actually deposited much less at the others.................

Ive made at least 40 deposits in this casino (usually $100+ per deposit) and then been given probably 15 freebies. So 55 different amounts started with.



You act like im attacking the casino. I simply said im having a rough time then stated they are nice folks..good support..help out with some freebies.

It sort of looks to me you were running to their defence before you attempted to read the thread.

 

[weesie]

Well, I am sorry but I have to agree with Deanna.

A fair comparison would be casinos against each other where you have made

COMPARABLE deposits.





The fact that you got so many freebies from casinos that you have NEVER

even deposited in just blows my mind.

 

[lockinlove]

Well, I am sorry but I have to agree with Deanna.

A fair comparison would be casinos against each other where you have made

COMPARABLE deposits.





The fact that you got so many freebies from casinos that you have NEVER

even deposited in just blows my mind.

Thats fine and you have that right. It doesnt mean it makes sense.

Play time is play time. Amount wagered is amount wagered.

If you run ok in casinos and not ok in some casinos your deposits and play time will never ever match up. So unfortunately your guys conclusion doesnt make sense. Deposits has nothing to do with it all. Wagering with real money does.


So many freebies in casinos you didnt deposit in? This is the same casino group. Why would that matter lol? They are the same company..

And since when does one freebie in 3 casinos equal a lot?

I also notice you failed to respond to my last post directed at you correcting your assumptions. Is there a specific reason for that?


Also doesnt depositing in one casino way more than others mean one casino is obviously running bad?




I will address it again since you seemed to randomly forget to respond

Is close to $4000 in losses for a low roller "not very much invested" as you suggested?

You said I have barely deposited. Is 40 deposits of approx $100 minimum each time not a lot?

You said I have received a "mind blowing amount" of freebies in casinos I didnt deposit it in. Is three freebies really mind blowing..when I have deposited in the other 3-4?

Also, I am looking forward to reading why you think deposits is comparable?

Does my rtp suggest I am running good, bad or average with clubworld?

is $41000 wagered an ok sample size to conclude on how the player is running?

I hope to see a response this time

 

[lockinlove]

At the end of the day, Club World refusing to disclose the current RTP settings on its games tells you all you need to know about the "tightness" of the games. If they were even close to being competitive, the RTP would be all over their site, the client, their marketing emails. Since it is a closely guarded secret, it's just common sense that it's a secret because the portion of the player base that understands the dramatic difference in the experience between say, a specific game set to 92% or lower RTP, vs. the same game set to 96% or higher, would close their CWC accounts en masse if they knew the true RTP of the games they were playing.

And i have a hard time believing that the several year old knowledge of the RTP settings for RTG games is still current/accurate. I'd love to be proven wrong, or for someone in the know to set the record straight, but I'm not holding my breath.

I've largely quit playing because I too have seen a dramatic downturn in results over the past year or so.

See this is a huge factor and what I read a lot of on here. So many players complain about RTG slots. And rightfully so.



Could you imagine if this was the only casino available to Canadians and Europeans? The amount of complaints would be outrageous due to their low well known rtp

I believe the rtp on their slots is in the very low 90's to high 80's. And if they posted this info like most sites do...players wouldnt touch them for the most part. There is one reason only a casino advertisers their rtp...because they have nothing to hide and 97% rtp is fairly attractive to gamblers. Now you go to a casino that has 10% less then all the other casinos......you simply dont get much action in your casino.

One casino lists their rtp at 97%
The other casino lists their rtp at 89%

Which casino does the player choose?

 

[weesie]

So many freebies in casinos you didnt deposit in? This is the same casino group. Why would that matter lol? They are the same company..

And since when does one freebie in 3 casinos equal a lot?

Well, I know they are one casino group. I am just saying I have never heard of this group or any other for that matter giving a freebie (for one of their OTHER casinos) due to losses from a different one.

Secondly, you IMPLIED you received multiple freebies from the group (the ones you didn't deposit into), Now, you are saying ONE in each.

Therefore, if you ARE basing your figures on ONE freebie/deposit (as you claim) each in the other casinos, that is not a fair comparison at all.

You would need to make a more equivalent amount of deposits into each of their casinos to get a fair assessment.

Edit: To add to my statement, if almost all of your deposits have been with All Star Slots and you are DOWN $3000.00, I would think about trying their sister casinos with more deposits.

You are obviously not doing to great with that one. You may be surprised.

 

[lockinlove]

Well, I know they are one casino group. I am just saying I have never heard of this group or any other for that matter giving a freebie (for one of their OTHER casinos) due to losses from a different one.

Secondly, you IMPLIED you received multiple freebies from the group (the ones you didn't deposit into), Now, you are saying ONE in each.

Therefore, if you ARE basing your figures on ONE freebie/deposit (as you claim) each in the other casinos, that is not a fair comparison at all.

You would need to make a more equivalent amount of deposits into each of their casinos to get a fair assessment.

I truly dont even remember those freebies. My OP was copy and pasted from support. This might have been NDB sign ups because you are right getting freebies in another casino is strange. But in all honesty the support group is great there so they may have just done it to try and change my luck when ive run really really bad with multiple deposits lost in no time. So that could be it.

Your second point, when I meant ive received lots of freebies i meant just overall. Not in casinos I havent deposited in. If you look in the OP it shows the last three casinos as a single free chip given. Not lots.
To break it down better. Ive been given 3 single freebies out of their 7 casinos.

And probably 10 freebies in allstarslots and had 35 deposits.

I am basing my figures on 40 deposits and probably 10-15 freebies. Ive had 35 deposits on allstarslots.

Also, I misread your post I guess. I wasnt trying to compare the casinos from clubworld against each other. I was comparing them to other casinos by different owners (InetBet, intertops)

In regards to showing my rtp in each of their casinos..its just me showing that I dont run good within their entire group. Im not saying my sample size is good for the other 6 casinos..im basically just saying overall...Im not running good. To me, in my mind all their casinos are the exact same..just a different outlay. Same company, same slots, same story.

If its better instead of posting all the rtp across their casinos since some of the sample sizes arent large enough...I guess I could have just posted my rtp within their company.

So my total rtp after $41,000 wagered. 40 deposits and 10-15 freebies is 73% rtp.

I feel that my sample size is large enough to conclude I am quite unlucky in their casino compared to InetBet and Intertops with close to the same amount wagered and betting style.

I find it sort of strange that InetBet and Intertops numbers are close to the same but clubworld is such a massive difference in returns. I surely dont expect to be ahead in all three casinos. But I also dont think my numbers should be so incredibly different when comparing to clubworld.

Edit: I think you are right to try their other casinos more often I guess but I got winded and disappointed when I tried. Last time I tried their sister after crazy losing streak at all star...I again had an awful session. I deposit $200 got a 100% match...so started with $400. I was betting mostly $1...sometimes lower ..sometimes a big higher. It lasted maybe 2 hours with garbage returns.

So it gutted me again. I ended up taking a 60 day break. But these breaks dont seem to help. When I was running bad awhile ago...like really bad. I took almost a year long break. When I returned it was even worse over a decent sample size. 80% rtp. And for whatever reason out of all that play time...no mini or majors or even any really good hits. Thats what frustrates me and has me yelling "How. How after all this play time for years can I not hit anything at all here. Why can I win or hit elsewhere but never here"

Frustrating