Roshstein outed himself as fake?

My take on this, having thought on it some more.

The streamers aren't really the bad guys, they're just the drug dealers on the streets.

The casinos are the Scarfaces.

 
Irrespective whether he is or isn't playing with real money, he does get very favourable terms.... a very high deposit match bonus and the rule of a max bet size of €5 doesn't appear to apply to him but it will to those that sign up and may not be aware of this. It is that what enables him to play with high stakes thanks to the casino. High stakes attracts more viewers (that is a fact, I know from experience) which in turn results in more sign ups so the casino knows exactly what they are doing in collaboration with the streamer. He is not an ordinary high roller that just happened to join the casino and decided to stream his play on Twitch and Youtube I am sure of.

At least other streamers that do get deposit match bonuses are on the same terms as everybody else.
 
Apologies for everyone who feel bad, my intention wasn't give anyone to feel that, just questioned is it really serious matter of this many pages in thread with pretty much postings which don't do much but suggest that somebody is playing with fake money and using view bots. If you read this thread as "outsider" (like i can pretty much count myself when it's coming to follow casino streamers, know the concept, no need to explain that but not following them) many can really wonder that WTF is happening, very fanatic posting one after each other with quite unreasonable demands to prove somebody game play and it's real, which should imo be enough here if accrediated casinos rep will tell it, he's not allowed to post public forums anyones private details even person is affiliated with them and if he would post here whole transaction history from games, deposits, withdrawals and what so ever, what could be expected? Would everyone here be happy to see such a pictures? I doubt that these would called "easy to fake" etc... from many here. Rep gave his input this conversation as a rep which in many occasions here is taken as a proof what casino is doing or not, if people here are openly stating that rep is lying to whole community (which i might think is quite strong accusation agains casino rep), then somebody might instead of posting here to demand something unreasonable, contact CM, provide these evidence where ever they are and ask CM if they could consider to see with casino in question if they are lying to CM community or not.

My posts in this thread as "bit" highliting that as probably can be seen and most were meant to wonder that how seriously people really are taking that and then started also a bit wonder that is this thread in whole and many posts after posts suggesting that some people might have taking playing at casinos and watching streams bit too serious when it should be meant to be entertainment and fun. This passion and tone in several repeated posts here would (and should when following what regulators are expecting casinos to monitor and follow) be taken as RG sign when player interaction with casino taken to this level and relationship to gaming to player is too serious and something more than just fun and entertainment. When you disagree something with casino, after deciding not to believe their answer, you usually consider to claim complaint against them instead of multiple accusing messages just repeating same again, again and again.

If there would be some "real" issue what would make players money not to be safe, withdrawals not paid, serious flaws in casinos systems, that would be totally different scenario and casino most probably would sort that to work if something is broken. Here we have (don't know how many pages already) forever going rant about one persons use of mouse which also got some very few opinions here that it can be that something actually didn't happen but incorrect button clicked.

I would strongly suggest to people who are feeling that they are cheated for long time now (if i understood right, it's suggested that this was not only time when person used play money, specially made test account or what ever way is not playing how he and casino are stating), stop accusing to casino rep here which might be not fully in line with forum rules but reach Bryan with your whole story and evidences put to together and ask if he sees that there is reason for him to interact with casino for this matter. If he decides to do so, let him do, if not, take that as an answer too as many of us do trust to people you know and what they say and it might be little bit too extended request start to demand proofs of people personal transactions which would need to be verified by banks, skrill or what ever are used for them and other hand from regulators and game providers that these all game transactions have been real or not.

If people are not willing to do that, i would really suggest to leave casino rep alone from this debate as his answer is already posted here and people quite straight are claiming him to be liar in open forum where he is representing his casino and assisting people in CM community. Accredited casinos and their reps in my understanding should have little bit trust and if there is lack in that, little bit respect and issue to be addressed to CM who is after all person who decide which casino is accredited and which is not and given that status in my understanding means that he's trusting people there are operating fair and honest way and if that found out not to be true, they are finding themselves from Gery Zone or Rogue Pit.

I'm really sorry to hear about your friend and as you probably understand nobody haven't say here that he/she would support fake activities in marketing, but bringing person who have passed and add that part to post after posting original post is in not something i would bring to this topic but respected my friend without using him to point out that misleading marketing do cause big harms and sad things in world. There was no need to underline that fact what we all are aware already without such a very sad example of persons destiny.

Edit: This is casino forum, but these topics about "fake or no" streamers are not really something which are following forum rules or etiquette about postings to accredited casinos and to their reps. And these seem to always (or at least most of the, might be that i have missed some because these are bit heavy to read due to posts made under such a huge passion that thinking didn't always come before writing) be some one is fake and something have to be proven just because we feel so or might saw some confusing clip or accidentally given incorrect answer from somewhere which happen to all. These still in my opininon after the point is made in first page, could be continuing in more relevant place where accusing accredited casinos and reps is normal and accepted behavior. Somebody remember this after some years, do we see any similarities?

Bogus Complaint - NickSlots - Rizk Casino.

Sorry I mentioned my friend. Its nobodies else's fault but his.

I should not have made it so personal or got so agitated.

I just assumed that this event would not have split our community.

Bowing out because I have come to my own conclusion and stated what I think is happening. No reasonable explanation from the casino for me and I swear he says 'my bad' when he realises and shuts down quickly also, since watching it again.

There is no solid evidence to make any sort of complaint but I am 100% comfortable with my conclusions from what I have seen on the video and from the responses in the thread. To be honest there is not a doubt in my mind.

No hard feelings :)
 
No hard feelings :)

This thread have got bit deeper what probably most thought and many of us who have posted here (me not at less) included had meant and thought. Here are loads of opinions, very good ones, but as you said it seem to be very splitted in opinions how serious is what and whould is ok or not from original post which was about streamer using play money and view bots.

Have made my point that i don't really have strong opinion or strong feelings about streamers, so there's not much for me to pos. Quoting you i could have left on my keyboard but posts posted and you summarize it well in this :)

No hard feelings at all and i have nothing to add this thread after made my point who i think issues would be best deal with accredited casino where such a thing exist that concerns could be addressed through CM etc... But we have already escalated bit further than only original concern about play money and possible clitch on a site :)
 
As a member of the industry that creates slot games - you state that those bet sizes are likely to cause problem gambling. So what bet size do you limit the slots games that you produce to?

No, I said promoting those bet sizes to people is irresponsible. Offering them is a different issue entirely. We offer the operator many different bet sizes, and it is up to them to decide what to do.

But we do not EVER make playing at high stakes appear easy, glamorous, or in any way actively promote these bets outside of a regulated environment.

The two are wholly incomparable in my opinion
 
Irrespective whether he is or isn't playing with real money, he does get very favourable terms.... a very high deposit match bonus and the rule of a max bet size of €5 doesn't appear to apply to him but it will to those that sign up and may not be aware of this. It is that what enables him to play with high stakes thanks to the casino. High stakes attracts more viewers (that is a fact, I know from experience) which in turn results in more sign ups so the casino knows exactly what they are doing in collaboration with the streamer. He is not an ordinary high roller that just happened to join the casino and decided to stream his play on Twitch and Youtube I am sure of.

At least other streamers that do get deposit match bonuses are on the same terms as everybody else.

"At least other streamers that do get deposit match bonuses are on the same terms as everybody else "

Everybody else don`t get unlimited 100% bonuses though. Thats is a huge difference.
 
"At least other streamers that do get deposit match bonuses are on the same terms as everybody else "

Everybody else don`t get unlimited 100% bonuses though. Thats is a huge difference.

Correct that not everybody gets them as frequent as some of the streamers, but unlike Roshstein when they do get them, they have the same wager requirements and same max bet. The max bet is there for a reason because the higher it is, the more chance of clearing the wagering.
 
I would argue, probably badly, that screenshots are nowhere near as dangerous as watching someone like Roshstein, whose reactions and general demeanor are a huge part of the problem.

Was going to post similar.

Defo a major difference between simple screenshots and someone almost having an on screen orgasm, and a fake one at that!
 
No, I said promoting those bet sizes to people is irresponsible. Offering them is a different issue entirely. We offer the operator many different bet sizes, and it is up to them to decide what to do.

But we do not EVER make playing at high stakes appear easy, glamorous, or in any way actively promote these bets outside of a regulated environment.

The two are wholly incomparable in my opinion

So what about jackpot slots where the higher you bet, the greater the chance of triggering the jackpot opportunity (Mega Moohlah)? Or some slots where the higher the stake, the higher the RTP, especially in Vegas brick and mortar casinos? How is that ethical.
 
Never really agreed with the affiliate system but if its done honestly and openly I suppose it does play a part in the
world of online gaming.
As many have said,the use of silly stakes and possible play money is not acceptable conduct by both the streamers and casinos.
I am sure the UKGC will latch on to this soon as another source of fines,not sure on what legal grounds but RG is a definite possibility
with casinos as it can be seen as an incitement to recruit new players who basically dont know their arse from their elbow, and will
want to achieve the big wins being constantly streamed
 
Never really agreed with the affiliate system but if its done honestly and openly I suppose it does play a part in the
world of online gaming.
As many have said,the use of silly stakes and possible play money is not acceptable conduct by both the streamers and casinos.
I am sure the UKGC will latch on to this soon as another source of fines,not sure on what legal grounds but RG is a definite possibility
with casinos as it can be seen as an incitement to recruit new players who basically dont know their arse from their elbow, and will
want to achieve the big wins being constantly streamed

A bit difficult for the UKGC to dish out fines to casinos that this character plays on, as they are not UK licensed and are therefore outside of the remit of the UKGC. Besides, if slot manufactures give the option to do £100 spins, I am sure the UKGC will look at that and limit the max bet just as they did with the b&m bookies.
 
So what about jackpot slots where the higher you bet, the greater the chance of triggering the jackpot opportunity (Mega Moohlah)? Or some slots where the higher the stake, the higher the RTP, especially in Vegas brick and mortar casinos? How is that ethical.

But that makes perfect sense because those playing at higher stakes contribute more to the progressives.

I used to play the Mega Moolah slots (when they had the good ones like The Dark Knight and LOTR) on 30p per spin, and I fully understood that seeing the wheel would be rare for me as I was contributing very little to the progressives.

Higher RTP on higher stakes shouldn't be allowed though, I'd agree with you on that one.
 
But that makes perfect sense because those playing at higher stakes contribute more to the progressives.

I used to play the Mega Moolah slots (when they had the good ones like The Dark Knight and LOTR) on 30p per spin, and I fully understood that seeing the wheel would be rare for me as I was contributing very little to the progressives.

Higher RTP on higher stakes shouldn't be allowed though, I'd agree with you on that one.

Yeah I get why it was designed like that regarding the jackpot slots, but this is about encouraging players to play at higher stakes just as the Mega Moolah slots may do if you're chasing that jackpot (which is a dangerous thing to do in the first place!).
 
So what about jackpot slots where the higher you bet, the greater the chance of triggering the jackpot opportunity (Mega Moohlah)? Or some slots where the higher the stake, the higher the RTP, especially in Vegas brick and mortar casinos? How is that ethical.

Its ethical because you can win the jackpot at any bet and it is fair and right that thr higher you bet, the more chance you have as you are adding more to the jackpots - it would be unethical to do the opposite.... and also, as mentioned, we do NOT advertise this in the same way as Roshstein is advertising playing at stupidly high stakes
 
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But that makes perfect sense because those playing at higher stakes contribute more to the progressives.

I used to play the Mega Moolah slots (when they had the good ones like The Dark Knight and LOTR) on 30p per spin, and I fully understood that seeing the wheel would be rare for me as I was contributing very little to the progressives.

Higher RTP on higher stakes shouldn't be allowed though, I'd agree with you on that one.

I believe that different RTPs by stake is something the UKGC may be looking at...
 
Yeah I get why it was designed like that regarding the jackpot slots, but this is about encouraging players to play at higher stakes just as the Mega Moolah slots may do if you're chasing that jackpot (which is a dangerous thing to do in the first place!).

Are you seriously suggesting that having someone like Roshstein stream at ridiculous bets to all and sundry is in any way comparable to offering options to players within games?

That's like saying that watching some idiot drive a BMW like a twat live on youtube who is saying "look how good it is to drive super fast" is the same as BMW allowing a car to be driven like that? It's a stupid comparison.
 
Are you seriously suggesting that having someone like Roshstein stream at ridiculous bets to all and sundry is in any way comparable to offering options to players within games?

That's like saying that watching some idiot drive a BMW like a twat live on youtube saying "look how good it is to drive super fast" is the same as BMW allowing a car to be driven like that? It's a stupid comparison.

The reason that he plays at ridiculous bets is because he is given the option to do so by Companies such as that you work for.

How about you go to the sales department of your Company tomorrow and suggest they reduce the max stake to £5 a spin to be the ethical slot producing business. Set an example. I think I know what their reaction would be.

You are part of the reason that he spins at these ridiculous bet sizes (rightly or wrongly) and you are in a position to do something about it. Just don't give the option. Simples right?
 
In honesty 20 pound spins is a lot lower than they could be.
500 pound max bet is the norm for blueprint games for example..
 
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No, I said promoting those bet sizes to people is irresponsible. Offering them is a different issue entirely. We offer the operator many different bet sizes, and it is up to them to decide what to do.

But we do not EVER make playing at high stakes appear easy, glamorous, or in any way actively promote these bets outside of a regulated environment.

The two are wholly incomparable in my opinion
Agree. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Fine it your going it privately, but to publicly stream it daily and have a casino take a number of new players from said stream at that level of betting is scandalous really. Wasnt surprised when SV were using him, that's just what I expect from a casino like them.
 
The reason that he plays at ridiculous bets is because he is given the option to do so by Companies such as that you work for.

How about you go to the sales department of your Company tomorrow and suggest they reduce the max stake to £5 a spin to be the ethical slot producing business. Set an example. I think I know what their reaction would be.

You are part of the reason that he spins at these ridiculous bet sizes (rightly or wrongly) and you are in a position to do something about it. Just don't give the option. Simples right?

The same reaction as when he tried to explain the megaways to them?:D
 
Ethically I don't really see much difference between Roshtein's stakes and pretty much every other streamer's stakes. Even 5 euro per spin is way more than 99% of the viewers could afford to play with. But I also don't agree with the notion that streamers are responsible for what their viewers might or might not do. If Roshtein or Bandit can afford playing 40-50 EUR spins - that's fine. If they want to broadcast it as entertainment - that's fine as well. We are all adults and make our own choices. And if somebody is so addicted to gambling that they could potentially try to emulate the streamers and their stakes then those people shouldn't really be watching those streams in the first place, right? I have watched a lot of streamers and never have I ever even entertained the thought that I could suddenly start playing at the stakes that they are doing - be it 5 eur per spin or 50.
 
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Agree. Why is this so difficult for people to understand? Fine it your going it privately, but to publicly stream it daily and have a casino take a number of new players from said stream at that level of betting is scandalous really. Wasnt surprised when SV were using him, that's just what I expect from a casino like them.

So the issue is that he streams it live on Youtube and Twitch? Just limit the bet size as I suggested and job done. He can't do silly stakes and nobody can copy him.
 
Funny how Roshtein takes a "break" just as this stuff comes out about him.
guess he is just trying to avoid the situation.

whole lot of bots
 

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The reason that he plays at ridiculous bets is because he is given the option to do so by Companies such as that you work for.

How about you go to the sales department of your Company tomorrow and suggest they reduce the max stake to £5 a spin to be the ethical slot producing business. Set an example. I think I know what their reaction would be.

You are part of the reason that he spins at these ridiculous bet sizes (rightly or wrongly) and you are in a position to do something about it. Just don't give the option. Simples right?

Congratulations... you win the award for the most blindly ridiculous argument ever. What you do IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME is not advertising to at-risk individuals. If you cant see that, you're blind.
 
So the issue is that he streams it live on Youtube and Twitch? Just limit the bet size as I suggested and job done. He can't do silly stakes and nobody can copy him.

Worryingly, you just dont see the difference do you between offering and advertising....
 
Probably a good job we only ever got the screenshot of a ceartin Thunderstruck 2 hit ;)

I think most would have enjoyed a full video detail of this, recall it like it was yesterday.

"Mild mannered, calm and composed, father of 2 with a decent job and good ethics turns into raving lunatic" :o
 
Congratulations... you win the award for the most blindly ridiculous argument ever. What you do IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME is not advertising to at-risk individuals. If you cant see that, you're blind.

So why the lower stakes at the bookies then? It was done for a reason.

And rather than belittling me, how about my suggestion the slot providers don't offer high stakes. Got anything to say about that?
 
So why the lower stakes at the bookies then? It was done for a reason.

And rather than belittling me, how about my suggestion the slot providers don't offer high stakes. Got anything to say about that?

I've already answered your suggestion, you have chosen to ignore it.

And lower stakes in the bookies was done for a really obvious reason...there were (almost) zero SOW or KYC or RG checks that were done in bookies, and player protection was much harder to do than in an online environment. The 100 quid stake was stupid... it was always going to be lowered.

High roller (high stakes) are pretty much what keeps casinos alive, so removing them would kill casinos (although that in itself is not a good reason to keep them) AND why should the option not be there if you can afford it. And as I've repeated I dont know how many times, having high stakes available is NOT the same as advertising, and reacting, and broadcasting this outlandish stakes to people.

I understand why you might see the two in a similar light, but they quite simply are not.
 
Pretty sure casinos enable popular streamers to highroll, in order to create the illusion that winning big is no big deal. So on that basis if they've been found out to 'deceive' viewers with unexplainable technical issues then they ought to accept their responsibility in the matter.

Which would be fine and dandy if they just streamed Demo Play. But as it's supposed to mirror real money, it's definitely a bit out there in terms of realism!

Why not just remove all links for potential sign-ups then, if they're not there to entice new sign-ups into repeating the same slot success? We could all heartily watch Roshstein & co slum it on 40p bets, or just high-stakes FUN Play. I'd watch that (I wouldn't)
 
I've already answered your suggestion, you have chosen to ignore it.

And lower stakes in the bookies was done for a really obvious reason...there were (almost) zero SOW or KYC or RG checks that were done in bookies, and player protection was much harder to do than in an online environment. The 100 quid stake was stupid... it was always going to be lowered.

High roller (high stakes) are pretty much what keeps casinos alive, so removing them would kill casinos (although that in itself is not a good reason to keep them) AND why should the option not be there if you can afford it. And as I've repeated I dont know how many times, having high stakes available is NOT the same as advertising, and reacting, and broadcasting this outlandish stakes to people.

I understand why you might see the two in a similar light, but they quite simply are not.

You mean adverts showing 20 currency spins shouldn't be allowed? They could easily have done 1 currency spins right? Just like Netent did 1 currency spins on their adverts?



 
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Ok, now look what you did. You made me watch ROSHTEIN :oops:
I have only ever watched our Rob, for the fun and for the chat and also to support him.

Now for the topic:

I have a N1 account and two things are pretty obvious to me, that he is playing with real money and that he accidentally opened the game in real mode.

It is also obvious that he is getting 300% bonus (he shows that) and that he is gambling responsibly..... :eek:
Yes I know, let me explain what I mean with that.

The bets he is doing are < 1% of his balance and he said many times that he is losing a lot and people watching shouldn't do it.
When his balance started dropping from 100k he stopped, he cashed out and said that he will take a break.
Ok guys, I have to say for me this is responsible behavior.

Now, this is just from a few min watch of the last stream. Didn't watch all the stream and never watched him before.
Looks to me more of a case of "I just don't like the guy" than anything else.
 
Congratulations... you win the award for the most blindly ridiculous argument ever. What you do IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME is not advertising to at-risk individuals. If you cant see that, you're blind.

Thats everything this thread is about. The N1 Rep is clearly avoiding to answer the questionable actions of his entity.

What people do in private is thier own business. Simple as that.
 
I have a N1 account and two things are pretty obvious to me, that he is playing with real money and that he accidentally opened the game in real mode.

Confused. The video shows him pressing on practice mode. How is it obvious that he opened the game in real mode? I mean, we literally have a video of him clicking practice mode. :confused:
 
Are you seriously suggesting that having someone like Roshstein stream at ridiculous bets to all and sundry is in any way comparable to offering options to players within games?

That's like saying that watching some idiot drive a BMW like a twat live on youtube who is saying "look how good it is to drive super fast" is the same as BMW allowing a car to be driven like that? It's a stupid comparison.

I honestly think this is sheer hypocrisy. If any streamer plays your game at high stake it’s immediately raising the game profile and will undoubtedly lead to more players playing and an increase in revenue.
What you are basically saying is “we are only making the guns, we aren’t forcing anyone to fire them “.
And is anyone who plays at low stakes really going to increase their stakes by 100 x just because they see a streamer? Most people have more sense than that, and if someone does decide to do it they must be responsible.
And as others have said if the makers were in any way bothered by RG they would limit stakes to a max of a tenner .
 
Confused. The video shows him pressing on practice mode. How is it obvious that he opened the game in real mode? I mean, we literally have a video of him clicking practice mode. :confused:

Because it looks like real and also, as it has already been mentioned, just before the game opens, the mouse is over "real"

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Aslo nobody managed to replicate the problem, so looks like just a misclick to me.
 
Goodness grief, we've already done this, the mouse pointer is clearly over PRACTICE when the screen moves from the lobby to loading the game.

I tried to replicate what is seen in Roshtein's video at N1 myself and I simply couldn't do it.

Slow the YouTube video down to 0.25x speed, the pointer is over PRACTICE.

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Why dont N1 admit its fake money and he keeps all his affiliate income. Thats what the arrangment will be. There is absolutely no way on earth it would be financially viable to give him these levels of bonuses AND give him his affiliate income.

Its not exactly crime of the century, but granted the illusion has been shattered now so I get why its tough admitting it.
 
Thats everything this thread is about. The N1 Rep is clearly avoiding to answer the questionable actions of his entity.

What people do in private is thier own business. Simple as that.

@homerbert isn’t avoiding anything. He’s said many times that the guy is playing with real money and a normal account.

Whether you believe him or not is a different matter.

Does he have a reason to lie? And would the consequences of being found to be lying be worse than telling the truth? I think they would be significantly worse. So why lie?

I believe @homerbert on this one. Happy to be proven wrong, but so far the one person with access to the facts has made his case. Everyone else is just guessing.
 
Why dont N1 admit its fake money and he keeps all his affiliate income. Thats what the arrangment will be. There is absolutely no way on earth it would be financially viable to give him these levels of bonuses AND give him his affiliate income.

Its not exactly crime of the century, but granted the illusion has been shattered now so I get why its tough admitting it.

well im sure he plays with fake money
either that or he gets 20000% deposit bonuses with huge wagering and he has to wager a big amount to withdraw and probably gets to withdraw say 1k euros if he deposits 100 euro etc.
so funny to watch his body language completely change 360 degress when he realizes that he just messed up.

of course n1 casino are going to say he is playing with real money what do you expect them to say.
 
@homerbert isn’t avoiding anything. He’s said many times that the guy is playing with real money and a normal account.

Whether you believe him or not is a different matter.

Does he have a reason to lie? And would the consequences of being found to be lying be worse than telling the truth? I think they would be significantly worse. So why lie?

I believe @homerbert on this one. Happy to be proven wrong, but so far the one person with access to the facts has made his case. Everyone else is just guessing.

This isn't now about whether or not Roshtein was playing with fake or 'semi-real' money (because it's not true real money if he's getting constant big reload bonuses of 300% and isn't subject to max bet limits), the debate now IMO is about the moral degeneracy of a casino and streamer working hand-in-hand to advertise a form of gambling that would bankrupt most of the population within a couple of hours if they ever tried it themselves.

 
I have been looking at the video frame by frame and it does indeed seem like he clicked on Real money mode befor clicking on the practice mode.

Just 1 frame after it changes to the arrow at the same spot that indicates he clicked about 0.60 after he clicks on Practice mode.
For it to take more when 0.60 to load would indicate some serious lag though, when i check it only took about 0.15 to load real money mode and practice mode is instant just 1 frame to load.
 

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