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JHV

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I've been ripped off by casinos only 4 times in my life - out of hundreds and hundreds of sessions at god knows how many casinos (hundreds of casinos and poker rooms with only 4 rip-offs is pretty impressive for the online gaming industry imo).

Golden Palace came good and paid all winnings after a few months. Cirrus completely flat out stole my winnings, changing the T&C AFTER I'd requested withdrawal to exclude my first world (lol) country from being eligible to play. InterCasino (I'll get all your opinions on it later) really screwed up bad (I know this will surprise some of you as they have a really good rep).

And ROME CASINO yesterday was the 4th. Holy crap - I haven't quite yet seen such obscure, unprofessional and illogical behaviour from a casino manager on chat. I have screenshots, emailed chat transcripts, the works.

Will post the whole mess if anyone is interested, but the core story is:
- after seeing them on (casino.xxxxx.com - a big review site, don't want to give impression of spamming as I have nothing to do with casino.xxxxx.com), I was looking to see if Rome had VIP Blackjack or Jacks or Better 50 Line. Whilst I'm playing around with Play Money version, a CS type offers me a large bonus. Tells me if I deposit 5k, they'll give me 10k to play with. I say I have no interest in playing Slots but thanks all the same. He comes back saying I can play Video Poker at 12x deposit / bonus wagering requirement. This *almost* makes the whole thing close to even, which for me is generally a good % better HA than I can manage - and, as you can tell by the InterCasino gambling I did below (1.5 weeks worth), I'm not exactly an "advantage player" lol.



I agree on the deal and am promised as soon as I deposit 5k, they'll credit me with 10k (fully cashable) and I could start gambling straight away.

I send though credit card payment of 3k before their system blocks me. Asking what's wrong, the manager told me I've deposited "too much" and "too quickly" and that it's suspicious. I laugh at the 3k being a flag-trigger and refer him to my wagering at InterCasino (in image above). Also, please note this is the manager who minutes before TOLD me to deposit 5k - now he's saying I've deposited 3k and it's just too suspicious. Hilarious.

He apologises and asks for ID's, utility, scan of CC etc. I tell him we should worry about all that if I ever need to do a cashout. He insists I HAVE to send him the scans right then. I go through a world of pain to get these for him and they receive them. The manager has said (about 5 times by now) to start playing, start playing - I tell him I'll play when his behaviour stops being weird AND not before he credits the bonus as per our deal.

They call me a few times and are VERY weird on the phone (almost abusive at one point telling me to "JUST PLAY ALREADY" or something like that) so I demand they talk in chat. In chat they say security department is unhappy with my "large deposit" and my security docs. And that I should just play whilst they sort it out. I've had enough at this stage and request a withdrawal (I haven't played a hand yet).

I'm told I cannot withdraw. And that the Security department will need a day or two to 'analyse' my (very high resolution scans). I say "no problem, you wanna renege on a deal, just cash me out please". He tells me to go to the right Cashier area and then laughs in chat when I see "YOU CAN NOT WITHDRAW AT THIS TIME".

I tell him I'm going to charge back the credit card if he doesn't let me withdraw, and that WILL annoy my bank, MAY annoy their CC processing company, and will certainly annoy him when their CC processor raises costs.

At this stage, the MANAGER (casino Manager) goes weird. Starts telling me how much he "loves me" in chat, calling me "dear" over and over, saying how much we would have fun together - stuff like that.

I've called up my bank to charge back the cards (which will be easy considering I have 8 years of huge CC turnover but not one single charge back till now. I'm then sent a letter from Rome security saying my ID's are all in order.

I try to login to my account. I'm locked out completely. $3000 is not exactly "lose sleep at night" situation for me, but the weirdness of their actions and the behaviour of their drunk manager saying $3000 was the largest deposit they've dealt with (seriously? omg), then abusing me in chat and then locking my account with no notice and refusal to answer all emails should send them directly to ROGUE I think.

Anyone for some VERY large chat transcripts or screenshots? Some stuff in there from their management (almost certain he was drunk) which you will NOT have seen before in ANY chat, I'm sure of it - it's almost hilariously weird.

I recommend instant Rogue for Rome Casino.

(Edit: Oh, and now I see a bunch of other Rome is Rogue threads. Well, lol @ me then heheh...)
 
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winbig

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wow.....that's crazy...

At this stage, the MANAGER (casino Manager) goes weird. Starts telling me how much he "loves me" in chat, calling me "dear" over and over, saying how much we would have fun together - stuff like that.
Do you have the chat transcripts?
 

JHV

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wow.....that's crazy...



Do you have the chat transcripts?
Yes. They are very long though. Should I post them here in entirety?

I know it's crazy. Seriously, this guy was drunk or something. It was the most obscure CS conversation I've ever had - and he's the manager of Rome (or so he claimed).

His name was OG - but then he referred to a Mark at one point (not sure if Mark was his OG's boss or if Mark was something to do with Security).
 

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LOL, I think that's one of the best stories I've heard all year Scooter! Welcome to the forum. Post those chat transcripts if you can. :thumbsup:
 

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Welcome Scooter

What a strange story, kinda goes along with with some other stories I have heard about Rome Casino.

Please do post the chat transcripts.

I believe "Mark" is the Manager...
 

JHV

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LOL, I think that's one of the best stories I've heard all year Scooter! Welcome to the forum. Post those chat transcripts if you can.
[When I tried to post: "You have included 69 images in your message. You are limited to using 10 images so please go back and correct the problem and then continue again. Images include use of smilies..." - these are the 60 similies that drunk moron OG below used in chat - I'll have to delete them all - will replace each with an x]

Ok, it's a bit of a mess because, despite promising early that I could save chat transcripts, which turned out to be a boldfaced lie - they had to email me the transcript.

They're really long so I'll BOLD what I think are the pertinent or amusing bits. I promise not to leave out a pertinent bit from the BOLDING Process intentionally.

As luck would have it, the Rome Casino head manager just called me before to apologise and said he fired the manager called "OG" for his behaviour and also said a bunch of other stuff, so I'll add notes where he said I was lied to by his staff.

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08/06/09 22:29:58 Michael Scooter69 Hello! I would like to offer you a really nice match up bonus on your first deposit! Extra bonus on top of the standard first deposit bonus! What do you say?

08/06/09 22:30:08 Scooter69 Michael is this a real person?

08/06/09 22:30:21 Michael Scooter69 eemmm yeah?

08/06/09 22:30:32 Scooter69 Michael on 888 casino it wasn't lol

08/06/09 22:30:36 Scooter69 Michael what's the bonus offer

08/06/09 22:30:38 Scooter69 Michael i'm a high roller

08/06/09 22:30:44 Michael Scooter69 lolz

08/06/09 22:30:46 Michael Scooter69 How much would you be willing to deposit? let me see what is the BEST I can get you

08/06/09 22:30:57 Scooter69 Michael never seen this software so was checking it out

08/06/09 22:31:08 Scooter69 Michael death to intercasino - lost 100,000 there last week

08/06/09 22:31:09 Michael Scooter69 glad to hear! I hope you like our casino (x)

08/06/09 22:31:16 Michael Scooter69 wooooooooh

08/06/09 22:31:18 Michael Scooter69 not glad to hear

08/06/09 22:31:21 Michael Scooter69 (x)

08/06/09 22:31:21 Scooter69 Michael what's the max bonus you can give?

08/06/09 22:31:37 Scooter69 Michael well they had $1250 spin 50 Line video poker lol

08/06/09 22:31:40 Michael Scooter69 it really depends on how much you wanna deposit... throw me a number

08/06/09 22:31:44 Scooter69 Michael my 100,000 lasted oh about 8 hrs

08/06/09 22:31:45 Michael Scooter69 wow

08/06/09 22:31:52 Michael Scooter69 lolz shooosh

08/06/09 22:31:56 Scooter69 Michael whatever i deposit you'll match 100%?

08/06/09 22:32:08 Michael Scooter69 correct.. BUT

08/06/09 22:32:17 Michael Scooter69 it really depends.. maybe we can get you even more

08/06/09 22:32:35 Scooter69 Michael i don't really know man - just whatever

08/06/09 22:32:40 Scooter69 Michael let's say 5k deposit

08/06/09 22:32:47 Scooter69 Michael ACTUALLY

08/06/09 22:32:56 Scooter69 Michael do you have a way for me to bet more than $25 spin?


08/06/09 22:32:56 Michael Scooter69 woooooow.. let me check with me manager eh?


(Scooter Note: Mark said Michael never checked with him and that he didn't authorise the bonus offer I receive below, and that his staff weren't even allowed to offer bonuses this big. Whether I believe Mark or not about this is 50/50 - either way, if his staff are offering huge bonuses without his authorisation or knowledge, it reflects very poorly on Mark's competence as a manager, in my opinion.)



08/06/09 22:33:07 Michael Scooter69 on what exactly?

08/06/09 22:33:10 Scooter69 Michael on this practise game it seems $25 is max - obv that's no good

08/06/09 22:33:12 Scooter69 Michael video poker


08/06/09 22:34:12 Scooter69 Michael hmmm panama?

08/06/09 22:34:13 Michael Scooter69 I believe we do have a way.. also have to check with my manager... do you have a phone we can call you? is it ok if we call you? im sure my promo manager would love to talk to ya.. what do you say?

08/06/09 22:34:20 Michael Scooter69 panama? we are in Costa Rica (x)

08/06/09 22:34:40 Scooter69 Michael panama makes me nervous - why aren't you guys licensed by like kahnawake? - the ones all the other guys are

08/06/09 22:35:04 Scooter69 Michael sorry i've had winnings not paid before - i don't mean to be rude

08/06/09 22:35:16 Scooter69 Michael and the casino was licensed in panama i think

08/06/09 22:35:21 Michael Scooter69 no I totally understand man...

08/06/09 22:35:41 Michael Scooter69 is it ok if we call you? (x)

08/06/09 22:36:17 Scooter69 Michael yes - but i'd rather not - i have a headache and there's construction outside my window makes it hard to talk on phone

08/06/09 22:36:55 Michael Scooter69 ok no problem.. ok, we will get you 10k bonus if you make your deposit, good? no good?

08/06/09 22:37:32 Scooter69 Michael 5k deposit 10k bonus?

08/06/09 22:37:40 Michael Scooter69 we are licenced in Panama by the way.. lolz

08/06/09 22:37:51 Michael Scooter69 sorry im new here, was giving a quick check (x)

08/06/09 22:38:01 Michael Scooter69 yup 5k....10k bonus.. is that good?

08/06/09 22:38:05 Scooter69 Michael sounds good - yes that's my only concern - and only cause the casino that didn't pay me was licensed in panama once

08/06/09 22:38:17 Scooter69 Michael i can play video poker with it?

08/06/09 22:38:28 Michael Scooter69 ohhh .. yeah! you can play any game with the bonus money


08/06/09 22:38:51 Scooter69 Michael so i play for 30 hours say

08/06/09 22:38:57 Michael Scooter69 but you have to wager it, convert it only on slots...

08/06/09 22:39:04 Michael Scooter69 all the bonuses are cashable


08/06/09 22:39:11 Scooter69 Michael so it's a slots bonus

08/06/09 22:39:17 Michael Scooter69 30 hours?? wow

08/06/09 22:39:21 Scooter69 Michael i only play video poker

08/06/09 22:39:23 Michael Scooter69 let me double check, hold pls

08/06/09 22:39:28 Scooter69 Michael and some blackjack but i suck at blackjack


08/06/09 22:39:48 Scooter69 Michael i did $8,000,000 in wagering at InterCasino - i looked at the logs - in one week lol

08/06/09 22:39:58 Scooter69 Michael dirty bastards took me for a fortune

08/06/09 22:40:42 Michael Scooter69 yes you can convert your bonus with video poker as well

08/06/09 22:40:51 Michael Scooter69 woooow man

08/06/09 22:41:47 Scooter69 Michael k can you email me all the stuff to my email so that there is no confusion down the track? or can i save this chat history?

08/06/09 22:42:03 Michael Scooter69 you can save it (x) we save it as well


08/06/09 22:42:23 Scooter69 Michael not like i can win to save my life anyway but knowing my luck i'll have one winning session and heaps of confusion will result lol

08/06/09 22:42:26 Michael Scooter69 I will save it myself.. (x) you are the highest depositor I've ever had the pleasure to chat with.. lolz

08/06/09 22:42:37 Michael Scooter69 lolz

08/06/09 22:42:41 Scooter69 Michael ok just to confirm - i deposit 5k, get 10k cashable bonus

08/06/09 22:42:46 Scooter69 Michael i can play video poker

08/06/09 22:42:52 Michael Scooter69 yup done deal (x)

08/06/09 22:43:09 Scooter69 Michael at what point could i cash out if i wished?


08/06/09 22:43:17 Michael Scooter69 by the way, just so you know, you do not have a real money account yet.. you have to create one ok? (x)

08/06/09 22:43:35 Michael Scooter69 you have to reach the wagering which is 12x(deposit+deposit bonus) very low no? (x)

08/06/09 22:43:47 Scooter69 Michael yea i will go WAY above that


08/06/09 22:43:58 Michael Scooter69 how would you be planing on depositing with us?

08/06/09 22:43:59 Scooter69 Michael just so it's clear i'm gonna try and win like 50,000 or 100k or bust lol

08/06/09 22:44:13 Michael Scooter69 lol niiice

08/06/09 22:44:20 Scooter69 Michael i have busted like 20 times and cashed out 0 last 2 months heh

08/06/09 22:44:30 Scooter69 Michael cashout of that size won't be problem?


08/06/09 22:44:53 Scooter69 Michael no max cashout 1k a month etc - (this one casino tried to pull on me last year)

08/06/09 22:44:59 Michael Scooter69 well, we have a standard rule that max cash out is $2500 per week but for high rollers we have ssssspecial dealzz (x)

08/06/09 22:45:00 Scooter69 Michael cheeky trick worked i lost everything

08/06/09 22:45:17 Michael Scooter69 oh i see what they do

08/06/09 22:45:17 Scooter69 Michael ah see that 2500 week trick is cheeky - cause i lose it all lol

08/06/09 22:45:21 Michael Scooter69 tricky in deed

08/06/09 22:45:24 Scooter69 Michael whilst i'm waiting

08/06/09 22:45:27 Michael Scooter69 nooo dont say that

08/06/09 22:45:28 Michael Scooter69 lol

08/06/09 22:45:33 Scooter69 Michael what's the high roller cashout limits?

08/06/09 22:46:10 Michael Scooter69 my manager says that if you are a good high roller... no limits...



(Scooter Note: "good high roller" lol - at the discretion of the manager - what a joke. As I was 100% serious for going for 100,000 or bust, I obviously had plans to be about as good a high roller as they'd seen for awhile.)


08/06/09 22:46:12 Michael Scooter69 (x)

08/06/09 22:46:14 Scooter69 Michael i don't mind something reasonable - but 2500 week or 1000 a month lol - that just makes me lose it all back

08/06/09 22:46:28 Michael Scooter69 yeah man I see what you mean

08/06/09 22:46:48 Scooter69 Michael ok not sure what he means by that but i'm pretty sure any casino in world would be happy with my stupidity

08/06/09 22:46:55 Scooter69 Michael oh....the question

08/06/09 22:46:56 Michael Scooter69 lolz

08/06/09 22:46:59 Michael Scooter69 yes?

08/06/09 22:47:02 Scooter69 Michael about the max bets

08/06/09 22:47:14 Scooter69 Michael in this play money game max bet is $25 lol

08/06/09 22:47:17 Scooter69 Michael no good

08/06/09 22:47:22 Scooter69 Michael i wanna bet like 200 a spin

08/06/09 22:47:27 Scooter69 Michael or more even


08/06/09 22:47:33 Scooter69 Michael if i feeling lucky

08/06/09 22:47:35 Michael Scooter69 yup you can

08/06/09 22:47:41 Michael Scooter69 $200 a spin

08/06/09 22:47:47 Scooter69 Michael ok cool


08/06/09 22:47:51 Michael Scooter69 just got an answer from upstairs.. lolz

08/06/09 22:47:52 Scooter69 Michael and is it just single line?

08/06/09 22:48:02 Michael Scooter69 video poker?

08/06/09 22:48:03 Scooter69 Michael i like 5 line if you have it?

08/06/09 22:48:07 Scooter69 Michael yep video poker

08/06/09 22:48:11 Michael Scooter69 I think is only one

08/06/09 22:48:16 Scooter69 Michael NO 50 line lol

08/06/09 22:48:18 Michael Scooter69 (x) sorry man

08/06/09 22:48:21 Scooter69 Michael not after intercasino bastards

08/06/09 22:48:27 Scooter69 Michael one line huh....

08/06/09 22:48:28 Michael Scooter69 we have many lines on slots.. lolz

08/06/09 22:48:31 Scooter69 Michael give me sec

08/06/09 22:48:34 Michael Scooter69 sure (x)

08/06/09 22:48:35 Scooter69 Michael slots bore me

08/06/09 22:48:42 Michael Scooter69 to be honest me too (x)

08/06/09 22:48:43 Scooter69 Michael i'm a winning poker player - who got rich

08/06/09 22:48:45 Scooter69 Michael but now sucks

08/06/09 22:48:50 Scooter69 Michael and can't win at poker

08/06/09 22:48:51 Michael Scooter69 ohh

08/06/09 22:48:56 Scooter69 Michael so i play video poker lol

08/06/09 22:48:58 Michael Scooter69 thats why you play video poker?

08/06/09 22:49:00 Michael Scooter69 lolzz

08/06/09 22:49:30 Scooter69 Michael ok i'll set up real money account now - gonna grab beer etc - will do in next 5 min

08/06/09 22:49:47 Michael Scooter69 awesome, ask for me when you in the other siiide (x)

08/06/09 22:50:31 Scooter69 Michael ahhh sorry mike?

08/06/09 22:50:38 Michael Scooter69 yes?

08/06/09 22:50:45 Scooter69 Michael any link between Rome and Winward?

08/06/09 22:51:07 Michael Scooter69 I only work for Rome man.. not that I know of..

08/06/09 22:51:37 Scooter69 Michael winward are big - i would feel safer then

08/06/09 22:51:46 Scooter69 Michael saw on google someone said you were owned by winward

08/06/09 22:52:15 Scooter69 Michael as i'm going to either go bust or go for 50100,000 - i want to make sure you guys are rich enough to pay if i win - and i'm feeling lucky this time

08/06/09 22:52:25 Michael Scooter69 we are a property of Dice partnersss

08/06/09 22:52:47 Scooter69 Michael they own any big casinos?

08/06/09 22:52:56 Michael Scooter69 thats the spirit!

08/06/09 22:53:33 Scooter69 Michael ah just Rome owned by Dice

08/06/09 22:54:37 Michael Scooter69 ok, so log in real mode first ok?

08/06/09 22:54:47 Scooter69 Michael yep give me sec please

08/06/09 22:55:02 Michael Scooter69 sure

08/06/09 22:56:36 Scooter69 Michael kk just one final thing

08/06/09 22:56:54 Scooter69 Michael i traveling and currently in bangkok - which sucks by the way don't ever bother lol



(Scooter Note: Mark the manager on the phone just before claimed the reason they had to lock my account and freeze my funds was because my IP was from Thailand. I told him I made a special effort to ANNOUNCE to his staff I was logging in from Thailand. Further down, we discuss the Thailand issue again in depth before I deposit. Morons.)


08/06/09 22:57:03 Scooter69 Michael but i'll be depositing by moneybookers

08/06/09 22:57:44 Michael Scooter69 we do not accept money bookers at the moment



(Scooter Note: Mark the manager on the phone, basically begging me not to charge back the stolen money - offered to send me money wherever I wanted it. I said "ship it to Moneybookers" - and he couldn't as apparently Moneybookers doesn't want to work with them. They continue to list Moneybookers as a deposit option on their site though. I think something pretty bad has to happen for Moneybookers to refuse to work with you - there would HAVE to be a real story behind this.)


08/06/09 22:57:49 Scooter69 Michael ohhh

08/06/09 22:57:54 Michael Scooter69 do you have another method to deposit maybe?

08/06/09 22:57:55 Scooter69 Michael my money is all on moneybookers

08/06/09 22:58:03 Scooter69 Michael nah

08/06/09 22:58:04 Scooter69 Michael hmmm

08/06/09 22:58:17 Scooter69 Michael it's on your site - moneybookers

08/06/09 22:58:25 Scooter69 Michael problem their end or yours?

08/06/09 22:58:37 Michael Scooter69 yes, it's tomporarly down...

08/06/09 22:59:40 Scooter69 Michael lol i'm drunk so it's all good

08/06/09 22:59:45 Scooter69 Michael when will you have moneybookers again?

08/06/09 23:00:05 Michael Scooter69 don't really know

08/06/09 23:00:14 Scooter69 Michael neteller i'm locked until i leave asia

08/06/09 23:00:20 Scooter69 Michael no way to get around their nazis


(Scooter Note: At this point, I set up a Real Money account and the manager OG takes over fairly quickly - who has *supposedly* been fired for his following behaviour by Mark, or so Mark claimed to me an hour ago on the phone.)

Scooter69 23:09:27
yo mike

Support 23:09:27
Thank you for contacting online support. One of our support operators will contact you as soon as possible.

Michael 23:09:41
hi

Scooter69 23:10:11
can you just email that chat to me - xxxx.xxxgmail..com

Michael 23:10:25
yes



(Scooter Note: Had to ask him to email it for the first of MANY times as his claim that I could save chat transcript was a bold-faced lie.)


Scooter69 23:10:44
and you should DEFINTELY get the tech team to put in 5 line video poker - in my opinion

Michael 23:10:58
ok, just go to profile first and complete your details ok so i could send it

Scooter69 23:11:15
yep i'm in thailand on holiday

Scooter69 23:11:24
but i'm australian - should i put

Scooter69 23:11:28
my australia home address?

Scooter69 23:11:31
or my thai hotel


Michael 23:11:57
where is the card from


Michael 23:11:59
?

Scooter69 23:12:14
australian card


Scooter69 23:12:25
i think everything australian best

Michael 23:12:31
so write your austrelia address


Scooter69 23:13:18
i'll have to check out this eco

Scooter69 23:13:23
3rd time i seen it

Michael 23:13:37
yes, it's good. i need you to show me that you are serious man, try to put 25 for a sec ok?



(Scooter Note: I found the above comment really creepy. Like literally seconds after opening a Real Money account, and about to deposit 5000 - he's pressuring me to deposit $25 to "show (him) that (I) are serious man". WTF. Creepy imo.)


Scooter69 23:13:53
try to put 25?

Michael 23:13:59
ya

Scooter69 23:14:02
25,000?

Scooter69 23:14:04
huh?

Michael 23:14:10
25$

Scooter69 23:14:20
i'm about to put 5k in dude - chill

Scooter69 23:14:30
umm

Michael 23:14:31
(x)

Scooter69 23:14:32
it won't let me

Scooter69 23:14:37
has 1000 max


Michael 23:14:38
what?

Scooter69 23:14:52
lol what is this dropdown menu for amount

Scooter69 23:15:03
has Max 1000.23

Michael 23:15:16
it's a fixed amount, yes, you can do it 5 times

Scooter69 23:15:31
oh god


Scooter69 23:15:39
if i do it once - can you do it the rest?

Michael 23:15:41
thats what all of our players do, otherwise the bank raise an eye


Scooter69 23:15:42
i'm drunk

Scooter69 23:15:51
my CC wouldn't lol

Michael 23:15:58
(x)

Scooter69 23:16:07
sigh hang on

Scooter69 23:16:12
you sent that email?


Michael 23:16:36
not yet



(Scooter Note: The SECOND time I've had to ask him for the chat transcript after his lie about my ability to save the transcript myself.)

Scooter69 23:16:42
i'll wait.

Michael 23:17:56
whats the email again?

Scooter69 23:18:12
xxx.xxx@gmail.com (Scooter Note: Email removed)

Michael 23:19:56
i am sending it

Scooter69 23:20:03
first 1k went through

Scooter69 23:20:13
oh sweet card is saved

Michael 23:20:19
yes (x)

Scooter69 23:20:20
i thought i would have to put all details in every time

Michael 23:20:47
no

Michael 23:20:58
can my manager call you?

Scooter69 23:21:06
yes

Scooter69 23:21:12
but i have a headache so just quick pls

Michael 23:21:14
ok great

Scooter69 23:21:19
until the vicodin work

Scooter69 23:21:48
i think your manager is on phone

Scooter69 23:21:53
but he doesn't realise i'm listening

Scooter69 23:22:09
that was a weird phone call



(Scooter Note: At this point, the OG manager called me but I'm certain he was drunk. He wasn't speaking to me, but I could hear him laughing and jabbering away to someone else. Then he hung up without ever speaking to me.)


Michael 23:22:11
ok

Scooter69 23:22:16
does he have italian accent?

Michael 23:22:57
maybe

Michael 23:25:21
My dear

Michael 23:25:23
Its OG



(Scooter Note: He starts calling me his "dear" and stuff. After awhile, I politely request he stops doing it but if you read further, it just goes on and on until he tells me he loves me. W.T.F.? lol.)


Scooter69 23:25:27
OG?

Michael 23:25:30
The shift manager here

Michael 23:25:34
how r u

Scooter69 23:25:39
oh hi sorry

Michael 23:25:43
so happy that u r with us (x)

Scooter69 23:25:45
stupid headache and vicodin not working

Scooter69 23:25:56
you won't be happy when i win 50,000!!!

Scooter69 23:25:58
hah

Michael 23:26:05
wish u the best

Scooter69 23:26:17
yes i'm sure (x)

Michael 23:26:22
yes yes

Michael 23:26:28
I want u to win my dear

Michael 23:26:37
but I need you send us some docs.


Scooter69 23:26:39
i wouldn't if i were you lol

Michael 23:26:43
when you'll win the 50k

Scooter69 23:26:50
i'd be like gimmma momma the money

Michael 23:26:54
to allow u to cash it out


Michael 23:26:55
(x)

Scooter69 23:26:56
yea no problem

Scooter69 23:26:58
what docs

Michael 23:27:13
pics of CC

Scooter69 23:27:20
no problem

Michael 23:27:23
picture of ID

Michael 23:27:32
And Utilitybill

Scooter69 23:27:32
cool

Michael 23:27:34
ok ?

Michael 23:27:37
thats all

Scooter69 23:27:37
yep no problem


Scooter69 23:27:42
hey it says:

Scooter69 23:27:54
you can't deposit at this time - when i was sending the 4th batch of $1000

Scooter69 23:27:59
problem at your end?

Michael 23:28:02
wait my deatr

Michael 23:28:22
wait a sec my dear

Scooter69 23:28:30
i'm very effiminate and often mistaken for gay, but calling me 'dear' freaks me a little lol

Scooter69 23:28:41
buddy would work

Michael 23:28:41
lol

Michael 23:28:42
ok

Michael 23:28:46
budd.

Michael 23:28:47
(x)

Scooter69 23:28:50
cool lol. sorry

Scooter69 23:29:09
i'm honestly not homophobic lol - just never called dear except by my mum


Michael 23:29:19
lol

Michael 23:29:32
why is the fastest that u can send me the docs?


Scooter69 23:29:55
i could scan them and email - i probably have one or two scanned already from intercasino

Scooter69 23:30:08
but why don't i just wait to see if i win?


Michael 23:30:08
can you do it now?

Scooter69 23:30:17
redundant when i lose won't it?

Michael 23:30:31
if you want to keep dep. I must it ... (x)

Scooter69 23:30:47
kk i'll see what i got and scan the rest


Scooter69 23:31:03
mike was supposed to send me an email also which i haven't received - can you tell him to do that



(Scooter Note: THIRD time I've had to ask for the emailed transcript after Mike lied about saving chat functionality.)


Michael 23:31:20
support@romecasino.com

Michael 23:31:24
ok budd. ?

Scooter69 23:31:43
fuken. sigh. this hotel blows. oh it's all good - reception picked up - they'll run down to scan this shit for me once i find it

Scooter69 23:31:51
yep

Scooter69 23:31:57
do i have to send before i start playing?

Michael 23:31:58
ok my friend

Michael 23:32:16
if you can thats will be great, if not start playing (x)

Scooter69 23:32:17
did you fix the cashier?

Michael 23:32:47
will be fixed when you'll send, till then start playing


Scooter69 23:32:57
ah ok gotcha

Scooter69 23:33:09
well i got utiltiy and passport scanned already - you want those now?

Scooter69 23:33:25
and credit card in 5 min when idiot boy moves his ass up here

Scooter69 23:33:29
ohhh you need the CC

Michael 23:33:35
yes

Scooter69 23:33:36
it's all good i'll have a beer and wait

Michael 23:33:36
(x)

Scooter69 23:33:39
i understand

Scooter69 23:33:44
this hotel blows

Michael 23:34:15
lol

Scooter69 23:40:59
this is bs- i have to go down there - manager says no one is in the business centre and this little monkey has run off with my card

Scooter69 23:41:05
back in 5 min

Michael 23:42:41
lol

Michael 23:42:42
ok

Scooter69 23:45:30
ok for once the bellboy is not being a moron

Michael 23:45:47
(x)

Scooter69 23:46:01
i don't know how to work this weird business centre Brother scan either - i'm going to send you my passport and utility bill

Michael 23:46:14
great

Scooter69 23:46:14
and if i win i'll go get my CC scanned somewhere else down the road

Michael 23:46:21
ok

Scooter69 23:46:22
i wanna play though

Michael 23:46:28
ok budd.

Michael 23:46:33
no problemo

Scooter69 23:46:39
let's make it 3000 with 6000 bonus then? same thing

Scooter69 23:46:58
ill wager 50 times or more - i'm going for BUST or 50,000 - one time!!


Michael 23:47:10
Our security must check the docs my friend. play with the 3k


Michael 23:47:18
(x)

Scooter69 23:47:30
yea i'm sending the docs


----------------------------


Scooter69 23:47:38
you need the docs to credit the bonus?

Michael 23:47:44
yes



----------------------------

Scooter69 23:48:00
oh hey i might be genius

Michael 23:48:06
?

Scooter69 23:48:16
how about a screenshot of my internet banking with this credit card? showing the CC number and everything

Michael 23:48:28
great

Scooter69 23:48:34
sweet - sec

Scooter69 23:51:27
all sending now -

Michael 23:51:35
great

Scooter69 23:51:38
thank buddah, allah and jehovah for vicodin

Scooter69 23:51:45
headache pwned

Scooter69 23:51:52
kk should be in your inbox now

Michael 23:51:59
lol ok

Scooter69 23:52:15
this is the MOST work i've ever done setting up a casino account lol

Michael 23:52:32
but it will be great... u will see


Michael 23:52:33
(x)

Scooter69 23:52:38
but if it means they don't try cheeky tricks which ALWAYS get me good when withdrawing i'll be happy

Scooter69 23:52:44
i get done every time by those tricks

Michael 23:52:57
noooooooooooooooooo

Michael 23:53:00
no tricks

Michael 23:53:02
nothing

Michael 23:53:07
you are in OG hands

Michael 23:53:08
(x)


Scooter69 23:53:21
you get the email?

Scooter69 23:53:25
i'm still waiting on mine

Scooter69 23:53:29
that Mike promised to send



(Scooter Note: I think the FOURTH time I've had to ask for email transcript of chat after Mike lied.)



Scooter69 23:53:34
is he new that Mike?

Michael 23:53:36
yes

Michael 23:53:37
(x)

Scooter69 23:53:48
seems cool, but needs to get cracking

Michael 23:54:25
too young (x)

Scooter69 23:55:17
i'm cool cause i'm in the hands of Mr. Vicodin - but as a tip, take it or leave it, i reckon players will get annoyed at this normally

Scooter69 23:55:30
if i was sober i woudl be gone by now i think - just my 2 cents

Michael 23:55:36
start playing my dear


Michael 23:55:46
budd.

Michael 23:55:49
sorry (x)

Scooter69 23:55:51
i've asked for my email 5 times now

Michael 23:55:57
start playing

Scooter69 23:55:58
i'll play when it arrives

Scooter69 23:56:11
and i'll play when i'm good and ready



(Scooter Note: I'm really starting to get annoyed at this point, but remain polite. The idiot keeps ordering me to start playing, with none of the promised bonus and no email transcript in case there are "confusions" down the track. I'm pretty over this entire process now and sick of him calling me "dear" and wasting my time.)



Michael 23:56:13
what do u want to be in ur email ?

Scooter69 23:56:16
seriously?

Scooter69 23:56:21
ask mike

Michael 23:56:39
bonus?

Michael 23:56:41
tell me

Michael 23:56:45
really

Scooter69 23:56:49
he lied to me first off, little white lie, then promised me he'd send me the chat via email

Michael 23:57:10
sure

Scooter69 23:57:14
i just want our entire chat transcrips sent to my email

Michael 23:57:14
no prob.

Scooter69 23:57:21
chop chop

Michael 23:57:22
really?

Michael 23:57:25
no prob.

Scooter69 23:58:27
umm what lol

Scooter69 23:58:35
Mike said i could bet $200 a spin



(Scooter Note: This is on the Video Poker table which had MAX $25 spin instead of the $200 spins promised before I deposited. I've pretty much had enough of these jokers and the amount of wasted time and wishing I never deposited at this joke casino.)



Michael 23:58:35
copy all

Scooter69 23:58:52
it's got max $25 here

Michael 23:58:59
wait

Scooter69 00:00:45
this software isn't that bad

Scooter69 00:00:59
better than whatever those evil hoes at intercasino use

Michael 00:01:55
thx budd.

Scooter69 00:04:13
what's the problem now?

Michael 00:04:25
why prob. ?

Michael 00:04:29
you'll get all

Michael 00:04:39
per ur request

Scooter69 00:04:50
am i talking to Mike or OG?

Michael 00:04:58
OG




--------------------------------------------




Michael 00:05:07
AND im giving you bonus now





-------------------------------------------





Scooter69 00:05:12
OG, why am I waiting? You have pending tasks - ok

Michael 00:06:00
can I call u for a sec

Scooter69 00:06:06
did you hear what i wrote about the table max? i bet $25 once - i think it was 2004


Scooter69 00:06:09
yes

Michael 00:07:28
wait

Michael 00:07:31
Im calling u

Michael 00:07:37
to explain all

Michael 00:07:43
jUst answer


(Scooter Note: At this point, the manager calls me to tell me to hurry up and play, and that they'll credit the bonus tomorrow. I tell him I'm not playing until they credit the promised bonus, and he says really forcefully something like "JUST START PLAYING OK!!! ARE YOU HERE TO PLAY OR NOT?"

I hung up on him instantly and returned to Live Chat at this point.)



Scooter69 00:08:50
talk to me through here

Michael 00:08:56
ok

Scooter69 00:08:57
say what you're saying here

Michael 00:08:59
Listen

Michael 00:09:04
its OG here

Michael 00:09:07
not mark

Michael 00:09:10
listen

Scooter69 00:09:41
i'm listening

Michael 00:10:57
I can't give you bonuses now ot allow u to deposit more , the security must review the docs, to check if everything ok and then you'll be good to go .. till then , you can play , to win , and to cash out , when everything ok - with the docs, you'll be good to go , its 24 hours, thats all

Michael 00:11:07
you deposited a lot in very short time



(Scooter Note: The manager who told me to deposit 5k is now telling me 3k is "a lot" and has to be checked by security department, but he's ordering me to play yet AGAIN! I've had enough of this moron by now and frankly, proud of my apparent zen attitude during this chat.)



Michael 00:11:11
thats all

Scooter69 00:11:11
nah that's retarded

Scooter69 00:11:15
5000 lol

Michael 00:11:17
so they have to check that

Scooter69 00:11:18
that's nothing

Scooter69 00:11:22
hahah i even did 3000

Michael 00:11:24
(x)

Scooter69 00:11:34
want me to show you screenshot of 6,000,000 i wagered at Intercasino in a few days?

Michael 00:11:37
don't worry about the bonus

Scooter69 00:11:42
nah screw that

Scooter69 00:11:46
i'm cashing out


Scooter69 00:12:02
i don't put up with silly stuff like this - and this is me ON Vicodin lol

Michael 00:12:18
lol

Scooter69 00:12:21
your chat box would be filled with a lot more colourful language otherwise

Scooter69 00:13:09
i just got Mike's email

Scooter69 00:13:11
of the chat

Scooter69 00:13:24
you wanna read it before i cash out - why waste people's time?

Michael 00:14:10
if I want to read it ?

Michael 00:14:12
why ?

Michael 00:14:15
I have it my dear

Scooter69 00:14:21
stop with the DEAR

Scooter69 00:14:23
seriously


Michael 00:14:27
sorry

Scooter69 00:14:28
it's freaky

Michael 00:14:33
budd.

Michael 00:14:36
budd.

Michael 00:14:37
(x)

Scooter69 00:14:38
and i deposited and wasted all this time

Scooter69 00:14:45
and you are just messing me around



(Scooter Note: We're going on almost 2 hours of this nonsense. Just ridiculous. If they credited my account with the bonus at this point, I don't even think I'd trust them enough to play.)


Michael 00:14:49
why wasted ?

Michael 00:14:53
noooo

Scooter69 00:14:56
because i could be gambling!!!

Michael 00:14:56
my friend

Michael 00:15:01
its a security issue

Scooter69 00:15:12
stop with the friend buddy dear and everything

Michael 00:15:18
ok

Scooter69 00:15:22
put the bonuses in my account or i'm cashing out now

Michael 00:15:25
no problemo


Michael 00:15:43
I cant, just wait 24 hours thats all

Scooter69 00:15:57
i'm cashing out - where is the cash out button?


Michael 00:16:16
look,

Michael 00:16:21
I'll give u a lot

Michael 00:16:26
I dont have a limits

Scooter69 00:16:28
i don't want a lot

Scooter69 00:16:33
i want to gamble

Scooter69 00:16:40
and not have my time wasted by jokers


Michael 00:16:44
but you have 4k

Michael 00:16:56
its a lot

Scooter69 00:16:57
yes that was not what we agreed upon was it?

Scooter69 00:17:03
you have lost my trust

Scooter69 00:17:07
tell me where to withdraw


Michael 00:17:09
But you must understand

Scooter69 00:17:25
NO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND - my trust has been lost now -

Michael 00:17:28
its a issue that all of our players deal with


(Scooter Note: The idiot is saying it's an "issue that all players deal with". Only minutes after saying he was crediting the bonus now. I now really want to just kill-file this casino and uninstall it and never have to talk to morons like this again - at this point.)


Scooter69 00:17:30
i don't want to gamble here


Michael 00:17:40
why???

Scooter69 00:17:46
answer my question so i don't have to ask it for the 4th time

Scooter69 00:17:47
WHERE

Scooter69 00:17:49
IS

Scooter69 00:17:49
THE

Scooter69 00:17:55
WITHDRAW

Michael 00:17:56
menu

Scooter69 00:17:56
BUTTOn

Michael 00:17:59
menu

Scooter69 00:18:03
thank you

Michael 00:18:04
withdrawal

Scooter69 00:18:12
lol

Scooter69 00:18:16
lolol


(Scooter Note: I'm laughing because he's twice directed me to the following screen, just being a complete prick at this point:



"NO WITHDRAWALS ALLOWED")



Michael 00:18:22
I really want u to think about it

Scooter69 00:18:27
i really hate having to do chargebacks


Michael 00:18:29
there is nothing that I can do

Scooter69 00:18:53
but hey the joy i get knowing mastercard will screw your processor who will screw you - that will carry me through

Michael 00:18:54
I really dont understand why 24 hours = chargeback

Scooter69 00:19:01
i'm saving all these screenshots

Scooter69 00:19:03
for my bank

Scooter69 00:19:07
you're gonna get owned so bad

Scooter69 00:19:15
your processor might even drop you

Scooter69 00:19:22
or raise your % for CC's

Scooter69 00:19:41
do you wanna play this game? i'm having fun now (x)

Scooter69 00:19:45
i was annoyed before

Michael 00:19:53
wanna play what?

Michael 00:20:05
Im really wanna give u the best

Scooter69 00:20:05
first i really wanna show you my 6 million wagered at intercasino - can i do that?

Scooter69 00:20:12
so you see what kind of player you screwing around

Michael 00:20:14
all we have to do is to wait 24 hours

Scooter69 00:20:28
DO YOU THINK I LOOK LIKE THE TYPE OF GAMBLER WHO LIKES TO WAIT?

Michael 00:20:34
no

Michael 00:20:37
but,

Scooter69 00:20:42
intercasino are crooks but i was gambling in 5 min from downloading them

Michael 00:20:42
there is no choice

Michael 00:20:44
24 hours

Michael 00:20:46
thats all

Scooter69 00:20:54
stop saying that or i will get annoyed

Michael 00:21:01
I like u

Michael 00:21:04
really


Scooter69 00:21:04
you have the following choices


Michael 00:21:05
(x)

Michael 00:21:12
listen

Scooter69 00:21:17
1. Fulfill the promise you made
.

Michael 00:21:19
If you dont want to wait

Michael 00:21:28
2. ?

Michael 00:21:29
(x)

Scooter69 00:21:43
2. Process my cashout in FULL for entire deposits.

Scooter69 00:21:51
3. and i hope you choose this one

Scooter69 00:21:56
3. We get to play. (x)


Scooter69 00:22:14
i don't wait. and i don't put up with bs

Michael 00:22:21
ok

Michael 00:22:33
I want u to play

Michael 00:22:36
I want you to win

Michael 00:22:50
I won't , didn't and Im not lie to you

Scooter69 00:22:56
sigh. i'm not going to play at Rome - i'm going to play WITH Rome

Michael 00:23:02
but you are a player in a casino that has rules

Scooter69 00:23:21
i will call my bank now - friend of family manager there - she will have claims in to Mastercard in about oh 30 min i would think

Michael 00:23:33
(x)

Scooter69 00:23:37
she will pass on all this chat and screenshots along

Scooter69 00:23:46
mastercard will be pissed at your processors

Scooter69 00:24:02
your processor (depending on how much vig they charge you) will or won't be pissed at you

Scooter69 00:24:15
either way my money will be credited to my account before the end of the day by my bank

Scooter69 00:24:34
and trust me, THEY GET THE MONEY from mastercard - and mastercard WILL GET THE MONEY from whoever

Scooter69 00:24:49
you're going to go with 3? (x) yay?

Michael 00:25:03
wait a sec please

Michael 00:25:09
like players like u

Michael 00:25:10
(x)

Scooter69 00:25:19
sigh i have to show you this screenshot of intercasino crooks - just so make the game more fun

Michael 00:25:30
trust u

Michael 00:25:32
really

Michael 00:25:38
u know the game

Michael 00:25:39
its ok

Michael 00:25:41
(x)

Scooter69 00:25:43
the game?

Scooter69 00:25:49
i don't trust you guys anymore

Michael 00:25:49
yea

Scooter69 00:25:53
that's not a game

Michael 00:25:58
why ??

Scooter69 00:26:01
that's me being a gambler for a long time


Michael 00:26:11
where did we lie?

Scooter69 00:26:13
and being screwed many times

Michael 00:26:20
where did we say something wrong?

Scooter69 00:26:28
i'm not your mother

Scooter69 00:26:35
and i don't patronise

Scooter69 00:26:38
read the chat

Scooter69 00:26:46
and don't waste my time dot-pointing it out for you

Michael 00:27:07
everything in the chats you'll get

Michael 00:27:14
but just wait

Michael 00:27:17
thats all

Scooter69 00:27:18
i don't wait

Scooter69 00:27:25
tell your guys to get cracking

Scooter69 00:27:29
or i get to call Hazel

Scooter69 00:27:56
i'm gonna give you....12 minutes before i call - once i call it's done

Scooter69 00:28:08
i can't renege it - it's chargeback and hazel will own

Michael 00:28:10
told u you know the game (x)

Scooter69 00:28:33
you have 12 minutes - this isn't a game for me

Scooter69 00:28:35
this is boring

Michael 00:28:50
Thats all ?

Michael 00:28:59
you logged in to give me 12 mins?

Scooter69 00:29:19
but knowing you get burned if you screw me will make it fun for the 5 min it takes to call Hazel and her vicious animal bark will go to work

Scooter69 00:29:28
you have 11 min

Michael 00:29:35
no

Scooter69 00:29:37
to do the right thing

Michael 00:29:39
I have 10

Scooter69 00:29:43
very good

Michael 00:29:44
in my clock

Michael 00:29:48
(x)

Scooter69 00:29:49
i'm starting to like you...

Scooter69 00:29:57
but like 2% - lets get it up higher

Michael 00:30:06
you cant even imagine how mucj u can like me


Michael 00:30:20
told ya,

Scooter69 00:30:23
omg you cannot imagine how much Vicodin is YOUR friend right now

Michael 00:30:26
I know the game

Scooter69 00:30:36
i would be all finished with hazel and finding another casino

Scooter69 00:30:42
about 15 min ago

Michael 00:30:45
and I like to see people that know that too

Scooter69 00:37:48
2 min by my count

Michael 00:38:17
no problemo, refund for all thx and goodbye (x)

Michael 00:38:25
lots of luck (x)

Scooter69 00:38:37
it's showing me i cannot withdraw still

Scooter69 00:38:50
you're choosing option 3?

Michael 00:39:03
(x) (x) (x)

Michael 00:39:07
lmao

Scooter69 00:39:09
?

Michael 00:39:17
You lettin' me choose an option ?

Michael 00:39:19
(x)

Scooter69 00:39:20
come on dude i gotta go

Michael 00:39:30
Im so likkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeee u !!

Scooter69 00:39:32
you're choosing 3?

Michael 00:39:32
(x)

Scooter69 00:39:47
ok you're choosing 3 - i'm moving on - good game.

Michael 00:39:49
Im not in a mood to choose options

Scooter69 00:39:59
3 is default

Michael 00:40:01
Are you sure

Scooter69 00:40:12
you're rejecting 1 and 2 - only leaves 3

Michael 00:40:20
you want to play the game and not the slots?

Michael 00:40:30
(x)


Scooter69 00:40:54
can you humour me - just before i go - and explain what the reason was exactly for the 24 hours?

Scooter69 00:41:06
just out of curiousity

Michael 00:41:57
u know,

Michael 00:42:03
we can be a good friend

Scooter69 00:42:05
you're not very quick on your feet

Michael 00:42:15
I like your way of thinking

Scooter69 00:42:17
i have to take points off for that

Michael 00:42:19
really

Michael 00:42:22
(x)

Michael 00:42:35
do u really want me to explain to you?

Scooter69 00:42:53
i'm just not retarded. well i am, i know i should stop gambling but frankly i'm bored out of my mind and rich

Scooter69 00:43:12
but i'm not retarded when i'm being screwed - i had to learn that the hard way -

Michael 00:43:28
no....

Scooter69 00:43:33
i would like to see how well you think on your feet yes

Michael 00:43:36
you just have to wait 24 hours

Michael 00:43:37
thats all

Michael 00:43:42
everything will be ok

Scooter69 00:43:44
that's an explanation?

Scooter69 00:43:56
0 out of 10

Scooter69 00:44:02
i can't even give it a sympathy point

Scooter69 00:44:10
and i'm all about the sympathy consolation point

Michael 00:44:22
told ya I like you

Michael 00:44:23
(x)


Scooter69 00:44:29
most people do lol

Michael 00:44:34
yea

Scooter69 00:44:37
i can't say you're impressing me much so far

Scooter69 00:44:47
and i want to have fun also

Michael 00:44:50
mmm...... (x)

Scooter69 00:44:53
but i need to have worthy opposition

Michael 00:45:07
you know, I didnt start to impress you


Michael 00:45:19
should I ? (x)

Michael 00:45:23
ITS FUN

Scooter69 00:45:24
you haven't done it accidentally that's for sure


Michael 00:45:25
(x)

Michael 00:45:30
lol

Michael 00:45:34
ok ,

Michael 00:45:42
so ...

Michael 00:45:44
tell me

Scooter69 00:46:02
tell you what?

Michael 00:46:51
what do u wanna do

Michael 00:46:59
u know its already 23 hours (x)

Michael 00:47:05
in my clock

Michael 00:47:09
(x)

Scooter69 00:47:11
lol

Michael 00:47:18
u see ?

Michael 00:47:18
(x)

Scooter69 00:47:21
oh you thought we were still pending?

Michael 00:47:26
lol

Michael 00:47:32
so likkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeee u


Scooter69 00:47:45
no hazel has been called and blah blah blah she never shuts up gotten out of the way

Scooter69 00:47:56
i imagine she's doing chargeback crap with mastercard now

Michael 00:48:02
give here an hey from me

Michael 00:48:02
(x)

Scooter69 00:48:08
why would i?

Scooter69 00:48:13
i don't have to call her back

Michael 00:48:18
ohhh

Michael 00:48:22
so its ok

Scooter69 00:48:24
we've done this before - last year when someone annoyed me

Michael 00:48:44
(x)

Scooter69 00:49:10
trust me - when you do 300,000 on a CC expense in a year on gambling - and then you make ONE or TWO charge backs a year with all chats and screenshots - mastercard will burn

Scooter69 00:49:14
your processor

Scooter69 00:49:16
to the ground.

Scooter69 00:49:27
and i'm a *little* vindictive like that - so i'm smiling

Michael 00:49:32
really ?

Scooter69 00:49:41
now i'm just waiting for lunch delivery so still talking

Michael 00:49:43
(x) (x)

Michael 00:49:54
HAVE A GOOD ONE BUDD.

Michael 00:49:58
OHHH....

Michael 00:50:06
send me the 6,00,00

Scooter69 00:50:06
you don't want to chat with me while i wait?

Michael 00:50:10
and etc...

Michael 00:50:17
must leave

Michael 00:50:18
(x)

Scooter69 00:50:25
nothing has impressed me enough to bother

Scooter69 00:50:34
you wanna give my question another shot?


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Michael 00:51:38
Lets finish with optimistic way

Michael 00:51:44
I love u



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Michael 00:51:50
u impressed me a lot

Michael 00:51:51
(x)

Michael 00:51:56
10 from 10

Michael 00:51:57
(x)

Scooter69 00:52:07
the 'love' stuff and the 'dear' is kinda creepy but ok


Scooter69 00:52:15
by way is this OG, Mike or Mark?

Michael 00:52:16
naaa......

Scooter69 00:52:19
OG right?

Michael 00:52:19
its my style

Michael 00:52:23
OG

Michael 00:52:25
yes

Michael 00:52:30
original ................

Michael 00:52:31
(x) (x) (x) (x)

Michael 00:52:33
lol

Scooter69 00:52:34
kk - just saying some guys would find it confronting

Scooter69 00:52:45
you the top dog at Rome?

Michael 00:52:57
sshhhhh.......

Michael 00:53:00
its a secret

Michael 00:53:05
lolololololol

Michael 00:53:12
no im not ..

Michael 00:53:15
its ok

Scooter69 00:53:20
you're Mark's assistant?

Michael 00:53:24
maybe 1 day

Michael 00:53:30
lololololololol

Michael 00:53:36
you're funny my friend

Michael 00:53:41
but i really like u

Scooter69 00:54:05
everyone likes me

Scooter69 00:54:16
i'm like big on every poker forum

Scooter69 00:54:20
but people are boring

Michael 00:54:37
its ok (x)

Scooter69 00:54:51
please wait till my lunch comes

Scooter69 00:54:58
and give my questions some shots

Michael 00:55:00
bon a petite

Michael 00:55:01
(x)

Scooter69 00:55:05
ok

Michael 00:55:08
i answered all

Scooter69 00:55:11
no you didn't

Michael 00:55:16
have fun budd.

Michael 00:55:21
p.s.

Scooter69 00:55:24
i asked why you changed from promising a bonus to telling me to play without a bonus?

Michael 00:55:27
what will u eat?

Scooter69 00:55:43
they have this awesome FOODBYPHONE.com thing here

Michael 00:55:56
the bonus will be in your account in 23 hours

Scooter69 00:55:59
like 20 restaurants - they get it out so fast - but not now cause stupid rush hour

Scooter69 00:56:06
um lol

Scooter69 00:56:12
i won't be able to play with it dude

Michael 00:56:16
i didnt know that security will block u for review your docs

Michael 00:56:18
thats all



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(Scooter Note: He didn't know security would block my docs, but yet before he said anyone who deposits a thousand or so or more faces this same issue. I've had enough of the unbelievable waste of time and the incompetence and the lies at this point - am just waiting on food delivery.)

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Scooter69 00:56:22
if i won you wouldn't let me keep it

Michael 00:56:23
you can trust me

Michael 00:56:26
you cant..

Michael 00:56:30
your choice

Scooter69 00:56:36
why would security block me?


Michael 00:56:36
??????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????

Michael 00:56:38
try me

Michael 00:56:50
because you deposited a lot in short time

Scooter69 00:56:55
a LOT?

Michael 00:56:55
its suspicious



(Scooter Note: Yes, its really suspicious that I would ACTUALLY deposit HALF of what he had just agreed with me that I would deposit. Yes, that must ring alarm bells. Put the entire department on those high resolution scans over this $3000 deposit - 2.5 hours lying about it and refusal to award the bonus but MULTIPLE demands that I play without it.)



Michael 00:56:59
lol

Michael 00:57:00
(x)

Michael 00:57:05
in 5 mins.

Michael 00:57:09
for a new player

Scooter69 00:57:14
yes because YOU and I had a deal

Michael 00:57:16
came from fun

Scooter69 00:57:17
a TINY deal lol

Michael 00:57:25
its a lot

Michael 00:57:35
if you want to wait - great

Michael 00:57:41
will take care of you

Scooter69 00:57:42
i can't wait

Michael 00:57:44
if not

Michael 00:57:55
ciao amigo and bon a petite

Michael 00:57:56
(x)

Michael 00:58:01
ur choice

Scooter69 00:58:11
why would security block my docs?

Scooter69 00:58:18
they're high res scans

Michael 00:58:22
the didnt block ur docs

Michael 00:58:30
the have to review ie

Michael 00:58:32
*it

Scooter69 00:58:35
is this like you saying that really security has a headache today lol

Michael 00:58:43
lololololol

Michael 00:58:55
so, done ? the chargback ?

Michael 00:59:01
finito ?

Michael 00:59:08
Hazel is ok ?

Michael 00:59:10
(x) (x) (x) (x) (x)

Michael 01:00:23
ok mon amico .

Michael 01:00:28
Hope u are ok there

Michael 01:00:34
i can smell the food

Michael 01:00:38
have a good one,

Michael 01:00:44
and, do me a favor,

Michael 01:00:54
I really dont wanna miss, you,

Michael 01:01:03
I like people like you around me

Michael 01:01:06
really

Michael 01:01:08
(x)

Michael 01:01:17
it makes me feel better

Michael 01:01:20
sharp ....

Michael 01:01:25
you know what I mean

Michael 01:01:28
have to go!

Michael 01:01:37
ciao , been ,y pleasure!

Michael 01:01:38
(x) (x) (x)

Michael 01:03:30
no good bye ?

Michael 01:03:35
(x) (x) (x) (x)

Michael 01:04:23
will miss u , 4 sure

Michael 01:04:35
good night budd.

Michael 01:04:36
(x)



(Scooter Note: This closing tirade was some of the creepiest shit I'd ever seen from a CS type, let alone a manager.)

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I was actually too lazy and tired after lunch to actually phone my bank and fell asleep. I woke up much later that day and had an email from Rome Casino security saying all my docs were authorised. I replied asking if the bonus had been credited - or preferably, if I just could withdraw my deposit.

I received no response overnight. When I tried to login again this morning, I was locked out of my account - having never played a single hand.



I'm pretty lazy - maybe the laziest person in the world - and Hazel DOES love to chat and chat and gossip sigh. But this made me angry enough that I called her, emailed her the transcripts and screenshots - and she started the charge back process in fury.

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A couple hours ago I guess, the casino manager calling himself "the top dog" (Mark) rang me and started well with apologising for everything - the abuse, the time wasting, etc. I thanked him for his apology. He said he fired OG. I said that's a bit of a no-brainer but that he should probably fire himself also for running an operation like that.

He blamed everyone BUT himself for it all. Said his staff broke strict rules to offer bonuses they weren't even authorised to offer. Said his security department does things he can't control. I asked him if they worked for him. He said "yes". I told him the people that work for me, do what I fucking tell them to do.

He begged me not to process the charge backs. I told him it was out of my hands, and that due to my laziness and lack of caring too much about 3k, I actually hadn't started the charge back process until I'd been locked out of my account with no notice and no response to emails. So he got over 24 hrs more time than he should have gotten to fix the joke that is his entire operation there.

He pleaded with me to reverse the charge backs. I said I couldn't even if I wanted to, which I didn't - and reminded him of the ridiculous number of warnings I'd given.

He then, moronically, tried to threaten me - saying: "No casino will EVER let you gamble again if you go through with these charge backs. YOU HEAR ME! NO CASINO WILL EVER TAKE YOUR ACTION."

I calmly told him to stop being a moron and that idiocy was insulting for both of us - degrading for him and (albeit slightly amusing), degrading for me to listen to. I told him his casino was a joke, he should fire himself, and that I wished him "good day". As I was hanging up, he was mumbling something about speaking to the other owners of the casino and emailing me back.

For what purpose, I cannot imagine.

I suppose, if they shipped me like $100,000 - *maybe* I could call in a favour from Hazel to lose the charge back paperwork or something....*maybe*. But I kinda hope not....his desperation against this charge back was just as I suspected - they are likely already on SUPER THIN ice with whatever CC processor they use.

I just hope my tiny 3k charge back will be the little push over the cliff. That's a nice thought, I think....for the 3+ hours they've wasted of my life.
 

lots0

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In most cases a charge back is a very serious matter and usually a black mark against the player.

But after not keeping the 5k deal, the CS laughing at you for wanting to cash out (after never having played) and then finding your account locked... Can't say I blame you.

I Hope Mark will post a response from Rome Casino.
 

JHV

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I have a tiny bit of experience with payment processors (owned 10% of a poker skin awhile back and although I was silent partner basically, I learned a lot about the complexities and high costs borne by gambling sites) - and whilst the vast majority of CC charge backs are simply nothing more than fraud - the overwhelming theft of my money here and the evidence and screenshots will likely SERIOUSLY hurt them with whatever company they are using to process CC's - who probably already charge them a ridiculously high % - but, whom upon receiving this package of info from MasterCard, could very well drop them as not worth the risk. Or raise their fees even higher to the point of pure pain.

Our small skin was a very slick operation with very low (almost non-existent CC fraud) and, of course, we NEVER EVER behaved in a manner 1/100th this poorly with CC-using customers - and we were still paying through the nose on %.

If we pulled something like this, our payment processor would have dropped us for sure - I'm certain of it. I can't begin to imagine how much this kind of attitude which results in JUSTIFIED charge backs will piss off whichever company Rome uses.

Honestly, I just cannot see this casino lasting. It's run by incompetence, staffed by rude, unprofessional, lying staff - and just an overall mess from top to bottom. They'll fail - I can't see any future for them. I just can't.

If I had money in there, I'd get it out now. Seriously. For what it's worth.

It's kind of a pity, because seriously, that was some pretty slick software they were using. In all fairness, maybe elements of it were industry-beating.
 

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Just to round out the package I guess, here is the email they sent me telling me my docs were all certified. I received no response to my reply for 12-16 hrs, at which point I tried to login and account was locked. For me, that's good game. Fail.

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On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Juan Raabe Security <juan-security@crhost.net> wrote:

Dear Jxxxxx



This message is to confirm that we received the following documents:



- Copy of your Pictured ID (passport)

- Copy your Utility Bill

- Copy of your MasterCard Statement



Those documents are valid and already saved on your account file. Thanks for your concern.



Best regards,



Johnny

Security Department Representative

www.romecasino.com

Toll free number: 1-888-258-0557

Fax number: 1-703-991-8879

e-mail: Security-RomeCasino@Power-Pay.eu


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Scooter: I guess this is their payment processor, although I haven't heard of them. Hope they double their % vig on these jokers. one time.

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vinylweatherman

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To be honest, I can understand Rome casino getting the jitters about this. A player sayig they lost 100K, wagered 10Million (screenshot) is NOT your average online gambler. It looks like you (scooter) were angling for a big bonus offer by frequently referring to your stats at other casinos.

Where Rome failed was GREED (they took the bait), it seems the manager in chat thought they had caught a huge whale, and wanted to ensure they got some of that action - the prospect of THEM receiving that level of loss to the house, so of course they went into "however ridiculous the request, say YES!" mode, and were quite happy to offer a 10K bonus on a 5K deposit.
Pity the chat manager didn't check PROPERLY, despite saying "I'll check" on several occasions.
Making an unauthorised offer meant that when it came to crediting the bonus, they could not. Worse, after saying it was OK to accept a 5K deposit, they then said 3K was too much.

Security probably got worried that this was a Thai IP address, but Australian player details, and a MASTERCARD as well. This would worry them, since it could indicate a stolen card & fake ID.

Unfortunately, the casino made things worse by seeming to invent obstacles, rather than just tell the truth. Moneybookers was displayed, but was NOT available, now at this point the PLAYER gets the jitters, thinking this is simply bullshine, and that Moneybookers IS really available, but the casino says it isn't so as to buy time.

Player threatens to charge back, but casino doesn't believe they are serious, but lockes the account as a matter of routine (casinos WILL LOCK an account at the mere mention of "chargeback"). Despite the serious consequenses of a chargeback actually going through, the casino management felt it was OK to be laid back, and not communicate with the player, leaving the player to tkink this was the deadlock situation, and that the chargeback threat might as well go ahead.

Later, higher management start getting all "nice and cuddly", and say the staff member that made the unauthorised offer got fired, and also warned that going ahead with a chargeback will create problems at other casinos - this is actually TRUE, as ALL casinos that use that processor will have the player blacklisted.

I suspect the casino is worried because it is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ACCEPTING MASTERCARD in the first place, and may be cloaking the transactions in some way. A chargeback request will reveal to mastercard that these have all been gambling transactions, and they might start looking for ways to block them, perhaps by expelling the processor responsible.

This story, extraordinary as it is, follows a trend where chat staff try to entice players with special "off the record" bonus offers. In doing so, it seems some resort to deception, or as in this case, exceed their authority, with the result that the deal is reneged upon in the eyes of the player.

As for 12x WR on 10K cashable bonus with Video Poker allowed - I just can't believe it, the casino would be giving money away. I suspect therefore, that another lie was told, and that it will turn out that Video Poker does NOT count towards the 12x, and may even be an EXCLUDED game altogether, resulting in another department confiscating any winnings. I doubt also that the chat manager had the authority to offer a deal over the weekly withdrawal limits.

Even if this part had gone well, and scooter had deposited the full 5K, and got the 10K without argument, there would STILL have been a whole lot of grief had he gone on to make that 100K cash-out.

Casinos with these withdrawal limits are NOT suitable for high rollers, but there are plenty who are more than happy to accomodate this level of play.

32Red may increase table limits, already 125 per game on 50 hand VP, and I noticed that Grand Bay (Grand Prive) had an astonishing upper limit of 6250 per game:eek: on it's 50 hand and 100 hand VP games
 

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Scooter, I am soooo glad you shared this with us.

I always figure if a casino cannot treat the high rollers well, what will it do us poor little fish?

I've always read in terms in conditions that you must not have made any chargebacks, but I would think in this kind of case, another casino would be happy to have your business, given that you have truly valid reasons for your action.

I'm a gal...is it less creepy if I call you "dear"?;)
 

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On a poker forum, I would ruthlessly crush the below post - but as I'm both "new" here and see that you are a well-respected, valuable contributor to CM Forum, I'll treat your post with the respect that YOU deserve as opposed to the respect your post does.

To be honest, I can understand Rome casino getting the jitters about this. A player sayig they lost 100K, wagered 10Million (screenshot) is NOT your average online gambler. It looks like you (scooter) were angling for a big bonus offer by frequently referring to your stats at other casinos.
Jitters? They are an online casino. Do you understand the house advantage of various games? Do you understand an online casino's MO? When a casino is "jittery", I do NOT want to play there. I am almost certain you're many times more intelligent than this post suggests, and that you've either misread key points in the chat or are playing some advanced public "coverplay" game :p

There is NOTHING average about my gambling volume. I've done over $30,000,000 in casino wagering in the last few weeks online. My references to my play volume was a direct notification to these jokers that I was a high volume whale and wished to be treated as such. My gambling is stupid, but it is my money and I can spend it how I like. This does not mean that *I* am stupid. I'm more intelligent and know more about casino operations than the head managers of these casinos - all I would like is to NOT be patronised and to be treated with respect and fairness (which has not happened lately on the other casinos I've played like InterCasino, who insulted and patronised me over [arguably] their mistake over a disputed amount so small, that to lose a whale of my size over it just smacks of incompetence and stupidity).

When I get around to posting about the InterCasino debacle, some will agree with my position (people who understand the industry) and some will agree with InterCasino's position (people who don't).

As I explained to one of the InterCasino reps who was patronising (not intended obviously, but inadvertently insulting) me....when a whale like me goes to Vegas (and I'm not sure how many of you are in the position to bet in a manner and volume as stupid as I do)...Vegas treats whales in the manner in which they deserve. They DEFINITELY do not insult whales - are most casino whales stupid? Of course. But some aren't. Either way, you treat your VIP customers with respect or you LOSE THEM - it's that simple. The Vegas attitude towards casino whales does not come from a sense of ethics, TRUST ME - ido. They just aren't stupid enough to treat whales with disrespect.

When I start posting about InterCasino, the InterCasino reps who post on this site (who will present their arguments fairly, I'm sure) will back me up in that I generated $6,000,000 in wagering that week without EVER asking CS for anything, not a bonus, not anything except a request for increase in coin size from $5 max on video poker. At this point, an incident occurred which I believe was their fault - but even if it was 100% my fault, you look at the player's betting history, the chance of any angle-shooting - and their future value to your operation, and you make the SMART decision if you are incapable of making the obvious ETHICAL decision.

I'm not "angling" for a bonus from these Rome jokers. I was just looking for a new casino to try. If you read the chat, you'll see I was VERY nonchalant about the whole thing after being approached by CS when I was just toying with the software. I even said I'd do 50x wagering or whatever - you seem to have me pinned as an "advantage player". Three obvious points:
1. Advantage players do not play -EV games for tens of millions of wagering without bonuses. IDO.
2. I used to be an advantage player - an extremely good one. Many years ago. Now I'm just bored and over online poker.
3. Either you're doing some cheeky public cover-play or you understand nothing about advantage players or casino bonus whoring or basically how a casino should treat the threat of advantage players. And they are a threat, don't get me wrong - I'm just OBVIOUSLY not one ido.

Where Rome failed was GREED (they took the bait), it seems the manager in chat thought they had caught a huge whale, and wanted to ensure they got some of that action - the prospect of THEM receiving that level of loss to the house, so of course they went into "however ridiculous the request, say YES!" mode, and were quite happy to offer a 10K bonus on a 5K deposit.
Pity the chat manager didn't check PROPERLY, despite saying "I'll check" on several occasions.
Making an unauthorised offer meant that when it came to crediting the bonus, they could not. Worse, after saying it was OK to accept a 5K deposit, they then said 3K was too much.
Where Rome failed is that they have an incompetent manager who runs an incompetent team - who fail on every level of casino operations. They are stupid, they lie, and they insult and abuse customers who are offering proof that they are not just your average time-waster or bonus hunter.

The end result was theft (and my bank and MasterCard, and Rome's payment processor won't have any tolerance for it).

Security probably got worried that this was a Thai IP address, but Australian player details, and a MASTERCARD as well. This would worry them, since it could indicate a stolen card & fake ID.
This is the kind of statement that would normally really get under my skin. I'm sure you mean well, but have I at any stage given you the impression that I'm stupid? I don't believe I have, surely.

Please read the chat again - you must have missed the two BOLDED parts where I point out the Thai IP vs Australian card situation VERY clearly before depositing.

I also then sent high res scans to them. If you know anything about security ID checking, you'd realise it would take less than 30 seconds to validate the 3 scans I sent them as belonging to the person using the card.

Unfortunately, the casino made things worse by seeming to invent obstacles, rather than just tell the truth. Moneybookers was displayed, but was NOT available, now at this point the PLAYER gets the jitters, thinking this is simply bullshine, and that Moneybookers IS really available, but the casino says it isn't so as to buy time.
No, I was well aware that Moneybookers was NOT available. And extremely concerned as you have to be a PRETTY HORRENDOUS operator for Moneybookers to drop you. However, I figured it sounded like they were mostly just incompetent - and figured that was the reason for no Moneybookers (when I was depositing).

Later, when speaking to Mark (the General Manager), I then realised there would be a very interesting story about why Moneybookers refuses to work with them.

Player threatens to charge back, but casino doesn't believe they are serious, but lockes the account as a matter of routine (casinos WILL LOCK an account at the mere mention of "chargeback"). Despite the serious consequenses of a chargeback actually going through, the casino management felt it was OK to be laid back, and not communicate with the player, leaving the player to tkink this was the deadlock situation, and that the chargeback threat might as well go ahead.
Spot on. They were stupid. You do NOT risk charge backs from pissed off players in this industry. It's hard enough and expensive enough as it is without actually handing evidence to players on a silver platter to charge back against you.

Later, higher management start getting all "nice and cuddly", and say the staff member that made the unauthorised offer got fired, and also warned that going ahead with a chargeback will create problems at other casinos - this is actually TRUE, as ALL casinos that use that processor will have the player blacklisted.
Firstly, this is nonsense. Casinos that use that processor will block fraudulent charge back types. Secondly, that processor is going to block Rome or double their % vig over this. Thirdly, it's not like that processor has even a fraction of 1% of the market. Fourthly, as if I even care if casinos block me - which they NEVER would. You don't block whales who've been mistreated by your opposition...you WELCOME them with open arms and promises of treating them right.

I suspect the casino is worried because it is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ACCEPTING MASTERCARD in the first place, and may be cloaking the transactions in some way. A chargeback request will reveal to mastercard that these have all been gambling transactions, and they might start looking for ways to block them, perhaps by expelling the processor responsible.
This is interesting and something I did not consider. The hysteria in Mark's phone call surprised me - I assumed it was because they were already on VERY thin ice with their processor, but perhaps you're right - something even more damaging will result from their stupidity. And I feel 0 sympathy for them. When you're on thin ice, you don't JUMP UP AND DOWN LIKE A RETARDED MORON. ido.

This story, extraordinary as it is, follows a trend where chat staff try to entice players with special "off the record" bonus offers. In doing so, it seems some resort to deception, or as in this case, exceed their authority, with the result that the deal is reneged upon in the eyes of the player.
lol. Yes. The sky is also blue and I'm a retard for gambling tens of millions at negative expectation games when drunk and bored.

This is why I asked for the transcripts FIVE times after he lied to me about being able to save them.

32Red may increase table limits, already 125 per game on 50 hand VP, and I noticed that Grand Bay (Grand Prive) had an astonishing upper limit of 6250 per game:eek: on it's 50 hand and 100 hand VP games
Oh god. That sounds good. But a $15,000 (AUD) spin max.....*shiver*. I could bust my net worth over a few drunken days. I'd better stay away from that casino lol - sigh.
 

slotheadlizard

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WOW

This has got the be the weirdest and funniest post (next to the "self" post) I have ever read. It just got stranger and stranger. I can't blame you for the chargeback, I'd even cancel that card and request a new number.
 
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winbig

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Oh god. That sounds good. But a $15,000 (AUD) spin max.....*shiver*. I could bust my net worth over a few drunken days. I'd better stay away from that casino lol - sigh.
You should stay away from Grand Prive` casinos, anyways :)
 

vinylweatherman

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I refer to Rome getting the "jitters" because they are faced with what looks like a "too good to be true" situation. After the initial offer by lower management, it seems security cannot bring itself to accept that a whale of your calibre would EVER want to play at little old Rome casino.
You can tell how equipped a casino is for the whale by looking for transaction limits in their terms, and the max withdrawal of $2500 per week indicates this is a "small time" operation, unlike 32Red and Grand Prive (which incidentally is in the rogue pit for being "ethically challenged".

With the evidence you supplied of your activity elsewhere, it should have been obvious that $3000 was mere "small change" for you. The fact that they blocked further deposits, and sent your documents for extra special scrutiny, makes it look as though they had already decided you were unlikely to be what you said you were, and would rather NOT give you the bonus at the time (itself unusual behaviour).

Now, YOU know how much you play, and casinos you already play at know this, but a NEW casino is faced with taking your word for it.

Unfortunately, there has been a trend among casinos for assuming players are guilty of something until proven otherwise, which seems to have happened when your deposits reached $3000. They probably assumed you were using a stolen card, funds, etc, or were "laundering" the funds, so as far as security were concerned, you were guilty of something UNTIL they had done all their checks.

The incompetence shown at the point of contact with you, the customer, meant you SAW all of this, and were given bullshit excuses, inconsistent advice, and deals struck were reneged upon.

Finally, despite not playing a cent, they THEN told you you CANNOT HAVE YOUR MONEY BACK, and you even thought the manager took great delight in guiding you to the cash-in screen to make a withdrawal, knowing full well this would happen. This openly contemptuous treatment of you shows that at this stage they did NOT believe you were the whale you said you were, but perhaps a "advantage player" who had manipulated their way to getting a VERY generous bonus offer. They kept banging on at you to "play now", the reason may well be down to the terms, play ONE game, and you become shackled to any WR that might have been placed on your account - play NOTHING, and you are deemed NOT to have agreed to the WR, and could request your deposit back at any time.

As for the chargebacks, it depends on what the MERCHANT puts on your file, they could lie, and you would never know. You would not likely to suffer at casinos you currently play at, but for new ones, you might have a struggle convincing them the chargeback was legitimate.
This forum is littered with players who have made LEGITIMATE chargebacks from ROGUE casinos, and even cases where their BANK, not them, initiated the chargebacks upon discovery they were gambling related - despite this, these players have had a tough time with their casino accounts, because ALL chargebacks are seen as bad news, whatever the reason.

You will find that little is "fair" about how some casinos treat their customers, and they are far more "stupid" in the way front line support in particular handle anything out of the ordinary.

I would bet that in Vegas you would have a dedicated host of some standing and experience with dealing with whales, and you would NOT be allocated some trainee to deal with you, for fear of them getting it wrong, and your action being lost.
Online, it is different, front line support handle everything, and are SUPPOSED to send cases they can't handle to supervisors, or higher management. What is odd though, is that unlike Vegas, higher management are ONLY available in "office hours", and rather than being greeted instantly by a higher calibre of staff, you are likely to get an email telling you the matter has been referred to management, promotions, or whatever, and that you will need to wait until "office hours" for any reply. Even then, the reply may not be forthcoming.

As for the Grand Prive bet, it is 6250 credits, so would STILL be 6250 Australian dollars, not 15,000 - your money would last twice as long, but I wonder whether they could handle you getting a PAT RF at this level;)

Perhaps what we are lacking is a list of casinos equipped to handle the whales, currently, this is not something that bothers 99% of the membership here, whose deposits are handled within the normal promotional criteria of the casino.

It is the likes of 32Red that are established enough to handle this level of action, and this can often be gauged by the coin sizes used in the software, as well as the terms and conditions.

Microgaming (32Red software) has standard set max bet sizes, so it is easy for me to spot an MG casino that is using either lower, or higher, max bets. With Topgame, I am not so sure. Little is known about the companies behind the casinos, or the software. Promises have been made by reps here on the forum, and then broken. It really looks as though these casinos lack the float to handle a whale, which could lead to problems should you hit the big one some day.

There HAVE been cases here of players hitting "the big one", and then finding they have to wait YEARS to get paid. There is a case here of a Playtech casino (a bigger software brand, stock market listed company) telling a winner of several million on a progressive that they would receive a mere $9000 per month. This would have taken 20 YEARS to pay. There is nothing to say that a similar situation would not occur elsewhere. You could win big with your 15K Rome bankroll, and face being held to $2500 per week, with any "special arrangement" being met with the same excuse you got over the bonus - i.e, the CS exceeded their authority and there can be no exceptions to payment terms.
 

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This has got the be the weirdest and funniest post (next to the "self" post) I have ever read. It just got stranger and stranger. I can't blame you for the chargeback, I'd even cancel that card and request a new number.
I lose my mobile phones about once every 6 weeks on average so that will take care of itself.

My bank insisted on canceling the card after reading the transcripts. So that's been done and, now thanks to those Rome jokers, I will have to rely on 3 inferior cards and wire transfers in Vegas unless I can run good and the postal service goes turbo in the next few days. That was my only card with no max daily w/d limit which was pretty hot.
 

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Perhaps what we are lacking is a list of casinos equipped to handle the whales, currently, this is not something that bothers 99% of the membership here, whose deposits are handled within the normal promotional criteria of the casino.
From working in a land-based casino in another lifetime (croupier - BJ, Roulette), I know that our large casino very much looked upon the main gaming floor as an annoying chore (in some respects). 95% of quality staff from management to Food and Beverage level, were intensely focused on the upstairs VIP area and VIP Private Rooms.

I was a lowly croupier but friendly with some of the senior management staff. Something like 90-95% of our casino's incoming revenue was all derived above the Main Public Level Gaming floor.

I dealt to high rollers gambling tens of millions in rollover, and my job (as did everyone's) hung on the tenterhook of being professional, competent (to the point of almost 100% perfection in skill performance) and respectful (without being patronising or fawning - unless they wanted fawning, which some very much do).

It just...makes sense.

Splashing money around as I have over the last year or two, it is just shocking how clueless the online casino industry is about the value of acquisition and retention of whales. Our land-based casino had an ENTIRE department who worked non-stop purely on identifying and befriending whales, and enticing or otherwise persuading them to move their play from xxx Casino to ours. Some of the stories I would hear I'm not really sure I could repeat (in terms of favours requested and completed, requests made and satisfied, and even whispers of illegal type stuff). My point being, whales are where the money is. And the online casino industry (that I have experienced) are too stupid to understand this.

Which makes me wonder if there is a demand for an online casino who treats VIP clients in a manner their custom and value deserves.....
 

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From working in a land-based casino in another lifetime (croupier - BJ, Roulette), I know that our large casino very much looked upon the main gaming floor as an annoying chore (in some respects). 95% of quality staff from management to Food and Beverage level, were intensely focused on the upstairs VIP area and VIP Private Rooms.

I was a lowly croupier but friendly with some of the senior management staff. Something like 90-95% of our casino's incoming revenue was all derived above the Main Public Level Gaming floor.

I dealt to high rollers gambling tens of millions in rollover, and my job (as did everyone's) hung on the tenterhook of being professional, competent (to the point of almost 100% perfection in skill performance) and respectful (without being patronising or fawning - unless they wanted fawning, which some very much do).

It just...makes sense.

Splashing money around as I have over the last year or two, it is just shocking how clueless the online casino industry is about the value of acquisition and retention of whales. Our land-based casino had an ENTIRE department who worked non-stop purely on identifying and befriending whales, and enticing or otherwise persuading them to move their play from xxx Casino to ours. Some of the stories I would hear I'm not really sure I could repeat (in terms of favours requested and completed, requests made and satisfied, and even whispers of illegal type stuff). My point being, whales are where the money is. And the online casino industry (that I have experienced) are too stupid to understand this.

Which makes me wonder if there is a demand for an online casino who treats VIP clients in a manner their custom and value deserves.....

It is very easy to become "VIP" at many online casinos. I myself am VIP at many, yet I do NOT wager in the MILLIONS. It seems even their TOP levels are too low, and many do not have the equivalent of the private rooms that many land casinos have.

Only in Cryptologic software (Intercasino) have I seen "private table" mentioned anywhere in the menu, with "normal" players locked out.

The online casino industry seems to make more out of it's "public gaming floor" than many land casinos, relying on many players taking the bonuses, and often never making WR and losing the lot.

I have seen a few that mention in new player promotions that they offer a "VIP deal" where you can ask to speak directly to a host who will make you VIP straight away. The player normally has to make a substantial first deposit, and would presumably have to pass the ID checks. The deposits mentioned are several thousand dollars, probably around the level Rome casino found they couldn't handle in the end.

Most others tend to look at your action, and based on that, decide whether to identify you as VIP. Once you are depositing tens of thousands, there is little more on offer in the online world for whales who start depositing even more, apart perhaps from seeing their name at the top of every leaderboard promo going:D

Unfortunately, it would take a whale to identify which of the online casinos are going to offer the best. You have at least found one that is not up to the task.

My bank insisted on canceling the card after reading the transcripts. So that's been done and, now thanks to those Rome jokers, I will have to rely on 3 inferior cards and wire transfers in Vegas unless I can run good and the postal service goes turbo in the next few days. That was my only card with no max daily w/d limit which was pretty hot.
This may well generate an "adverse merchant report" against the Rome casino processor that handled the transaction. I said that casinos often treat players as guilty until proven innocent - seems your bank has taken the same attitude, based on the transcripts alone. It would now be up to the merchant to show that these transcripts were the work of a drunken, now fired, rogue employee, rather than a reflection of "normal procedure" at the casino.

I once had a rogue casino request, no, DEMAND my ENTIRE card number, AND my 3 digit secure code be sent to them before they would pay. I phoned VISA international to ask whether this was a problem, and they repeatedly asked whether I wanted to make an "adverse merchant report" against them for making such a request. Normally, the 3 digit code should be BLOCKED OUT in any card image sent "for security reasons" to a casino, as well as the 8 middle numbers. VISA didn't think it too much a problem provided I was checking my statements regularly, but they were clearly not happy about it.

I now regularly block out these numbers when preparing an image of my card, and have not since had any casino object, since all they need is enough to show I have possession of the card.

This has probably cost Rome casino a golden opportunity to snare a whale who might have generated significant net win for them. They will now find it harder to attract other potential high rollers, not least because of this story of how front line CS handled a whale landing in their casino for the first time.
 

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I think they expected you to deposit the money $1000 at a time (I am sure most casinos have a max 1000 limit) that is probably why they wouldn't let you deposit anymore as they had to check verification from where the money was coming from. As for the manager/vice manager whatever, to him the way you were talking about money as if it is nothing would be very different to him - he works in a casino, it wouldn't be a very high paying job so to him 3-5000 would be a fortune to gamble in 1 session & also to be told you have lost millions & sound very nonchalant, I think I too would be calling you dear & trying to be your friend, lol. As for the casino blocking you & not letting you withdraw your money that was very wrong but (& I am not trying to make excuses for them, this is my opinion) I guess they thought if you were on the up & up they didn't want to lose a big gambler who could possibly bring in big dollars to them but probally couldn't proceed until all verification was done. For all they knew you could have just murdered a billionare & was sitting in his hotel room using his computer :D
Now after saying all that - I want to know was the ( x ) in your chat transit a kiss? lol.
 
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