Rate your best/worst RTG casino!!!

[bernynhel]

I've been reading about the wide range of experiences that CM members have had at RTG casinos. Most recently, from the disappointment at the payouts at Buzzluck Casino (https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-buzzluck-casino-slots-very-very-tight.34366/) to a player's claim that he was actually "bonus banned" at the new RTG duo sites, Lucky Slots/Cuba Club (Link Outdated / Removed), it seems that the rumor that RTG software includes a "loosey/tighty" switch giving operators control over payouts is regarded, by most, as a reality. This being the case, why don't we set up an RTG Pay-O-Meter (er, or something) where by players can tell what they know about individual RTG sites? I mean, they use numbers from 1 - 10 plus decimals in the Olympics and THAT'S certainly not scientific. I think that a "tight" RTG site will be rated "tight" my most who add their rating and that a (relatively) "loose" site will be generally considered to be "loose" by most. Why should we keep depositing at RTG sites with the "dial" turned to "tight" when, it seems, some operators have it turned to "loose"? The latter obviously does so expecting to be more competitive and those operators should be rewarded with our appreciation. And the benefit for doing so to us is obvious.

If you like this idea and think you have good idea on how best to implement this "RTG Pay-O-Meter", please post here and PM your "friends" list and ask them to check out this thread and feel free to chime in. Thanks!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I've been reading about the wide range of experiences that CM members have had at RTG casinos. Most recently, from the disappointment at the payouts at Buzzluck Casino (https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-buzzluck-casino-slots-very-very-tight.34366/) to a player's claim that he was actually "bonus banned" at the new RTG duo sites, Lucky Slots/Cuba Club (Link Outdated / Removed), it seems that the rumor that RTG software includes a "loosey/tighty" switch giving operators control over payouts is regarded, by most, as a reality. This being the case, why don't we set up an RTG Pay-O-Meter (er, or something) where by players can tell what they know about individual RTG sites? I mean, they use numbers from 1 - 10 plus decimals in the Olympics and THAT'S certainly not scientific. I think that a "tight" RTG site will be rated "tight" my most who add their rating and that a (relatively) "loose" site will be generally considered to be "loose" by most. Why should we keep depositing at RTG sites with the "dial" turned to "tight" when, it seems, some operators have it turned to "loose"? The latter obviously does so expecting to be more competitive and those operators should be rewarded with our appreciation. And the benefit for doing so to us is obvious.

If you like this idea and think you have good idea on how best to implement this "RTG Pay-O-Meter", please post here and PM your "friends" list and ask them to check out this thread and feel free to chime in. Thanks!

"loosey/tightey" is implemented by altering reel strips. The range is from 91% to 97.5%. There are 2 or 3 pre-configured RTP options per slot, and operators can alter these individually, they do NOT have to put ALL the slots on the same RTP percentage.

If you had the actual reelstrips for each configuration, you could then determine the EXACT setting of each slot at each RTG casino - but it would be one hell of a lot of work

A voting system is less accurate, since a poor session may be due to bad luck, rather than a "tight" setting.

 

[bernynhel]

"loosey/tightey" is implemented by altering reel strips. The range is from 91% to 97.5%. There are 2 or 3 pre-configured RTP options per slot, and operators can alter these individually, they do NOT have to put ALL the slots on the same RTP percentage.

If you had the actual reelstrips for each configuration, you could then determine the EXACT setting of each slot at each RTG casino - but it would be one hell of a lot of work

A voting system is less accurate, since a poor session may be due to bad luck, rather than a "tight" setting.

Why aren't I surprised? lol I more than half expected your response to be of this nature. And, yeah, the techy solution would be tip-top! However, a good sampling of player's gut reactions to their actual experiences over time and many sessions would be better than what we have now and would probably save many from depositing at sites who have opted to configure enough slots to skew overall payouts to the low end of the scale.

This would be something we can use now while we're waiting for you to analyze the exact reel configuration of every slot at every RTG site and post your results. (kidding) And can't the slots be changed at will by operators and wouldn't a "Pay-O-Meter" (from the applause meters from old game shows) be a better-than-nothing indicator of which operators have tendencies to wards looser or tighter? I mean, just the recent threads by lojo on Buzzluck and posts by players about Lucky Slots/Cuba Club provides a pretty decisive contrast - how I got the idea.

Can't you apply your big brain to help with a simple solution to try this out? 25 words or less...C'mon! It'll be FUN!

 

[RobWin]

A voting system is less accurate, since a poor session may be due to bad luck, rather than a "tight" setting.

It may be less accurate but it would still give a general consensus of the overall feel for each RTG Casino in terms of generalization "Tightness" or "Looseness" of the overall games there. Not just any specific slot or card games but an overall consensus of how the games are playing there at each specific casino "In General". I believe this is more what Bernie has in mind here.
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[Mavin1]

It is my opinion when a person like myself has played RTG casinos for more than a few years and have only withdrawn $250 in that entire time is not due to bad luck but something more devious going on behind the depositing players back, so to speak. I don't know diddly about variances and such, I only know that if I buy a can of beans I want more than an empty can. So where are the beans!?
When I first began playing RTG it was on a $25 free ND bonus, believe it or not I played an entire week on this measley $25, didn't withdraw because I was having to much fun. This hooked me on the RTG slots. The old bait and hook aspect of getting customers by giving exceptional good play in the beginning making the player believe they have found a gold mine. Well then you keep digging for more gold only to eventually come to the realization that the vein was a just a small one and there is no more gold, just dirt and rocks.
I have probably tried every RTG casino out there and have been more than dissapointed more times than I care to admit. Good customer service and fast payouts are fine but never having anything to withdraw makes the rest not mean much to me.
I have used once again a free nd bonus on Grande Vegas casino and have made a withdrawal from them for $225. The first from an RTG in how many years???? But even here I have run into a snag as they offer ewallet express for deposit but not for withdrawal. I have ewallet and the cs said they could set it up and process my withdrawal to ewallet. Well they didn't, they opened a Quicktender account for me and put my money in it, but they have failed to give me the login information so at this point I can't access my Quuicktender account "They" opened. I have asked them for the info and first was told to click on the link they sent me and "login", not register as I was already registered. Now they say I need to register and then I can access my account. Well that doesn't work either as I get a message from Quicktender that my email is already registered . So I go back to the casino cs again and explain this whole episode again and am first told it's my banks issue before I even submitted my problem, then told to email the finance deaprtment, duh, like I haven't done this already. So I have finally emailed Quicktender all this information and hopefully they will be able to fix this problem.
Honestly I hope they do as I am up at this casino again, haven't met the wagering requirement yet but it's looking good.
This is the only RTG casino however that has played fair in my opinion as far as they slots go. But I am still on the fence with my love hate realtionship I have had for RTG's for a long time.

 

[bernynhel]

It may be less accurate but it would still give a general consensus of the overall feel for each RTG Casino in terms of generalization "Tightness" or "Looseness" of the overall games there. Not just any specific slot or card games but an overall consensus of how the games are playing there at each specific casino "In General". I believe this is more what Bernie has in mind here.
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Yeah! What he said! F*** giving these operators all our dough when they got the screws tightened down! And f*** letting noobs learn from their mistakes when we already made most of 'em! Let's steer them and each other into a better direction based on OUR HARD EARNED LOSSES! How about some ideas on how to implement? (Aren't there do-it-yourself freeware website templates we can adapt and dedicate for this and then just put a link in this thread? Totally not-for-profit! I'll do the work! er, if there isn't much of it. Any poll-taking kinda thingy will work!)

 

[bernynhel]

It is my opinion when a person like myself has played RTG casinos for more than a few years and have only withdrawn $250 in that entire time is not due to bad luck but something more devious going on behind the depositing players back, so to speak. I don't know diddly about variances and such, I only know that if I buy a can of beans I want more than an empty can. So where are the beans!?
When I first began playing RTG it was on a $25 free ND bonus, believe it or not I played an entire week on this measley $25, didn't withdraw because I was having to much fun. This hooked me on the RTG slots. The old bait and hook aspect of getting customers by giving exceptional good play in the beginning making the player believe they have found a gold mine. Well then you keep digging for more gold only to eventually come to the realization that the vein was a just a small one and there is no more gold, just dirt and rocks.
I have probably tried every RTG casino out there and have been more than dissapointed more times than I care to admit. Good customer service and fast payouts are fine but never having anything to withdraw makes the rest not mean much to me.
I have used once again a free nd bonus on Grande Vegas casino and have made a withdrawal from them for $225. The first from an RTG in how many years???? But even here I have run into a snag as they offer ewallet express for deposit but not for withdrawal. I have ewallet and the cs said they could set it up and process my withdrawal to ewallet. Well they didn't, they opened a Quicktender account for me and put my money in it, but they have failed to give me the login information so at this point I can't access my Quuicktender account "They" opened. I have asked them for the info and first was told to click on the link they sent me and "login", not register as I was already registered. Now they say I need to register and then I can access my account. Well that doesn't work either as I get a message from Quicktender that my email is already registered . So I go back to the casino cs again and explain this whole episode again and am first told it's my banks issue before I even submitted my problem, then told to email the finance deaprtment, duh, like I haven't done this already. So I have finally emailed Quicktender all this information and hopefully they will be able to fix this problem.
Honestly I hope they do as I am up at this casino again, haven't met the wagering requirement yet but it's looking good.
This is the only RTG casino however that has played fair in my opinion as far as they slots go. But I am still on the fence with my love hate realtionship I have had for RTG's for a long time.

Uh, OK. So if there was a RTG Pay-O-Meter you could rate Grande Vegas (for example) "on the fence" and the rest "suck"! Right?

 

[vinylweatherman]

It may be less accurate but it would still give a general consensus of the overall feel for each RTG Casino in terms of generalization "Tightness" or "Looseness" of the overall games there. Not just any specific slot or card games but an overall consensus of how the games are playing there at each specific casino "In General". I believe this is more what Bernie has in mind here.
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Fair enough, we have NOTHING at the moment, and whatever the accuracy of any "Pay-O-Meter", it should get the various operators' attention, and maybe create competition to have the loosest slots, rather than the silliest boni.

The problem is that RTG operators can keep dicking around with the RTP at will, tight one month, loose the next, so this is another reason that this poll will suffer innaccuracies.

RTG operators will NOT want to be "busted" with hard evidence, and probably believe players could never come up with it.

Every time an operator has responded to the point "your slots are tighter", it has been with "you were just unlucky, our games are unchanged.........."

 

[Mavin1]

RTG RATING

From 1-10, 10 being the best, 1 being the worst rating for RTG's

Overall Rating of all RTG'S as a group

CS - FAST WITHDRAWAL - EASE OF SITES - FAIR RETURN ON DEPOSIT

5------------6-------------------9------------------1 & 1/2

 

[Mavin1]

Uh, OK. So if there was a RTG Pay-O-Meter you could rate Grande Vegas (for example) "on the fence" and the rest "suck"! Right?

Yes, according to my meter, "SUCKS" pretty much sums it up.

 

[bernynhel]

Fair enough, we have NOTHING at the moment, and whatever the accuracy of any "Pay-O-Meter", it should get the various operators' attention, and maybe create competition to have the loosest slots, rather than the silliest boni.

The problem is that RTG operators can keep dicking around with the RTP at will, tight one month, loose the next, so this is another reason that this poll will suffer innaccuracies.

RTG operators will NOT want to be "busted" with hard evidence, and probably believe players could never come up with it.

Every time an operator has responded to the point "your slots are tighter", it has been with "you were just unlucky, our games are unchanged.........."

NOW we are on the exact, same page!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well, for a start we can award a big fat ZERO (1 is too good)to the Virtual group, whatever the payouts

Here is my rating for them:-

0



This cuts the workload in half

 

[rockycatt]

sounds like a fun and educational plus guide for players and owners
lets keep it going

i think im interested in the effect of reverseing funds also

 

[JHV]

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offence). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.

The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

 

[Mavin1]

Well, for a start we can award a big fat ZERO (1 is too good)to the Virtual group, whatever the payouts

Here is my rating for them:-

0



This cuts the workload in half

You're right! I change my 1 & 1/2 to a big fat 0 as well

 

[vinylweatherman]

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offence). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.

The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

This was my concern, we shouldn't take the results TOO seriously, but the nature of RTG software is that individual operators can change the RTP of the slots.

These values ARE published, but they are about as useful as a concrete parachute when it comes to using them to determine the payouts players will experience at individual RTG casinos, or even the SAME RTG casino on different days.

 

[RobWin]

You could post an actual "Poll" Bernie where you offer say 10 of the most popular RTG Casinos that most peeps here play at on a regular basis and offer in that poll for the player to either rate the casino in terms of overall "Tightness" or "Looseness" for the past months play there. I would only use those two options though.

Of course this would by no means be a scientific poll but it would show the general players consensus and feel of the overall games play there for the previous months play at each casino. If enough players vote in the poll then it would even be better.
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[bernynhel]

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offense). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.



The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

Good intentions.
Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.

Great idea! (I really mean it!) Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of getting a feel for how it exists now so that I don't deposit at an RTG site that any number of CM members could have told me is just a waste if only I had a general consensus. Fair enough?

And, yeah, but I only understand a little why the poll will be skewed since I only minored in statistics 30 years ago at UC Berkeley behind a B.A. in PoliSci. My idea is to provide a quick snap shot of which RTG sites players tend to think are loosest versus tightest. You have an opinion, don't you? From a list of, let's just say for now, 20 RTG casinos you've deposited and wagered at since, let's say, June 2005, if there were boxes to check for simply "loose" or "tight" for each one, in your opinion, based on your experience, how hard would it be for you to decide which box to check for each one? How accurate does it have to be? If a dozen CM members say RTG casino "X" SUCKS but that RTG casino "Y" RULES, are you going to deposit at "Y" to prove that the science of the poll is flawed? EXACTLY!!

 

[Mavin1]

In my opinion this thread is to allow members/players a place to vent, express their feelings of likes and dislikes about this platform. I think the reason for many of us will be because we really like the games and would love to pump our funds into them if they weren't so tight. I mean really how many spins should each person have to make to get a free spin or bonus round on slots? 1 5 10 50 100 200? Seriously when you are squeeking out 100+ spins and still haven't gotten a bonus round or free spins, a person just wants to scream But to who and where?
Lets be fair about it, it is becoming blatantly ridiculous that RTG's are becoming more take than give and everyone should know this.
All you will get from a casino is the same canned speech they have down pat about random number generators and all the bull. They are jumping on the people are to stupid bandwagon just like the FDA, Government, Credit Card companies and so on and figure they can do whatever they want to us and there is nothing we can do about it but squeek.
This is the place to get people squeeking and eventually the squeek will become a roar and then maybe just maybe they will sit up and listen.

 

[RobWin]

Great idea! Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest instead of telling you why I think it wont work. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of gettinig a feel for how it exists now. Fair enough?

Damn, wish I had said that... That could well be the "Quote" of the year! I may have to make that quote my new siggy...
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[eu_lowroller]

if there was a RTG Pay-O-Meter you could rate Grande Vegas (for example) "on the fence" and the rest "suck"! Right?

For me "Grande Vegas" is also with Buzzluck a RTG casino with the badest payout, because i claimed all welcome bonuses (i think it was 5 or 6 difference, from 200% down to 100%) on Grand Vegas and never got over my starting balance on every $50 deposit + 200%, 150%, 125%, 100% bonus and had very short playtimes instead af all another RTG casinos, although i must also say, that CasinoTitan is also not really good to me for long playtimes

So my favourites are Jackpotcapital (what else? *lol* and this not only for their great "cashable" bonuses") and All Star Slots

 

[casinojack]

You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

 

[JHV]

Great idea! Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest instead of telling you why I think it wont work. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of gettinig a feel for how it exists now. Fair enough?

Whilst you're gettinig (sic) a feel for changing the world in a way which will only hurt your long-term aims, I'll be wherever actually doing things that make mathematical sense.

But I will come vote on your "poll" - with my "gut" - and so will all the shills, and everyone who has a vested interest one way or another - and the end result is that you won't just have a mathematically skewed and incorrect table of results, you'll have an intentionally screwed with table of results.

Now either you understand this or you don't. If you do understand the basic logic of what I'm saying, and you insist on proceeding, I will insist on asking why? I will push you to find out what vested interest you have in creating a poll which delivers a table of false results.

If you don't understand, just ask the smartest friend you have if what I'm saying is true. Or I can give you some Wikipedia links to educate yourself on basic mathematics as they apply to variance, statistical data and representative sampling / selection bias (customers v shills):

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(This above page on variance is actually a lot of fairly complicated and boring maths. All you really need to realise is that a Slot that pays out Jackpots which comprise of thousands of units or more - are going to be very HIGH variance gambling. High variance = even an objective observer will get the answer wrong almost every time (except when they hit a jackpot - then they will *likely* get the answer right]).

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[bernynhel]

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

And which governing body is going to stamp their verified seal of accuracy on the results? Not like it's a physical slot on a casino floor in Vegas with a Nevada Gaming Comission decal on it. NOT ONE ONLINE CASINO IS REGULATED BY ANYONE. That's what I think.

For me "Grande Vegas" is also with Buzzluck a RTG casino with the badest payout, ... So my favourites are Jackpotcapital (what else? *lol* and this not only for their great "cashable" bonuses") and All Star Slots

OK then! An opinion! Good enough for me and I know who Jackpot Capital is and I never knew if anyone preferred them to any other RTG til just now so already, this a is a big help for me.

STARTING NOW: ANYONE WITH AN OPINION JUST POST WHICH RTG CASINOS "SUCK" AND WHICH "RULE". PLEASE KEEP IT SHORT AND USE BIG LETTERS.

I SAY: ALL VIRTUAL GROUP RTG CASINOS SUCK!!

LUCKY SLOTS/CUBA CLUB RTG CASINOS RULE!!

 

[JHV]

If a RTG casino did this, would not the next thread being about "how can a casino prove it?"

Vegas does not put each machines %, or any other land based does that I know, so curious on this statement?

What's your question? Yes, the next thread should be "how can we be sure these published HA's are accurate?".

And the answer will be that casinos have to get regular 3rd party auditing completed by TST or JacobsonGaming or whomever.

In Australia, it's required by law for each Slot to be locked to a fixed, published HA.

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

 

[RobWin]

LOL JHV... Negative Rep back at cha buddy! You like to draw first blood by negative repping me don't cha? You never cease to amaze me here in all of the threads you reply in. Grow up please!
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[JHV]

Before you even *think* about asking, yes! Of course I am willing to put myself under similar scrutiny. And I'm not even marketing myself as a "Gambling Guru".

You know why? Because I don't need to.

Those who canNOT do....teach.

I'm actually a professional gambler. You are unable to be one, so you label yourself as an expert (which is a bold-faced lie) and you SELL gambling products.

 

[JHV]

If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

I'm yet to read your response to this.

 

[RobWin]

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

Someone Please tell me again what "Flaming" is here on this Forum exactly??

 

[JHV]

This forum is about the search for truth.

Are you afraid of the truth, Rob? If I am "flaming", then the auditor's assessment that you are indeed a "Gambling Guru" will result in my life ban from this forum.

So what exactly is there to be afraid of, if not the truth?

 

[bernynhel]

Whilst you're gettinig (sic) a feel for changing the world in a way which will only hurt your long-term aims, I'll be wherever actually doing things that make mathematical sense.

But I will come vote on your "poll" - with my "gut" - and so will all the shills, and everyone who has a vested interest one way or another - and the end result is that you won't just have a mathematically skewed and incorrect table of results, you'll have an intentionally screwed with table of results.

Now either you understand this or you don't. If you do understand the basic logic of what I'm saying, and you insist on proceeding, I will insist on asking why? I will push you to find out what vested interest you have in creating a poll which delivers a table of false results.

If you don't understand, just ask the smartest friend you have if what I'm saying is true. Or I can give you some Wikipedia links to educate yourself on basic mathematics as they apply to variance, statistical data and representative sampling / selection bias (customers v shills):

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(This above page on variance is actually a lot of fairly complicated and boring maths. All you really need to realise is that a Slot that pays out Jackpots which comprise of thousands of units or more - are going to be very HIGH variance gambling. High variance = even an objective observer will get the answer wrong almost every time (except when they hit a jackpot - then they will *likely* get the answer right]).

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"blah, blah, blaugh (sic)" ENOUGH!! Spoken like a true Republican. No one's going to tabulate anything. People can just peruse the thread and take what they like from posts from people they know and trust and leave the rest. What's your mathematical equation for THAT?

This thread is DONE! Everyone who wants to go here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...inos-suck-which-rule-shout-it-out-here.34419/ and shout out which RTG casinos YOU think sucks and which rules!!

 

[chayton]

Ahem...back to the original theme:

I don't play at RTG as much as I used to, lately it's MG that's been bleeding me dry, however....I have to say that the one RTG that sucked the worst for me (while I was playing there) is Rushmore. I did have one decent win the first time I played but unfortunately I didn't cash out. After that I couldn't get anything even though I pumped a fair amount of my gambling budget in thinking "Sooner or later I gotta hit SOMETHING..." it never happened. Perhaps it's got something to do with those HUGE RJs they have...

As for the rest, I feel luckier at Jackpot Capital I think, even though I don't play there as much as the others. Buzzluck's pretty good, it's just the depositing in Euros that holds me back. iNetBet and ClubWorld have been killing me lately but I continue to play there because I've won in the past.

I don't play at the Rushmore group anymore since the slow pay issues started and now that they're no longer accredited here. Any of the newer ones I haven't really deposited so I have no opinion on them yet.

EDIT: oops Berny posted the same time I was writing this!

 

[Simmo!]

Ahem...back to the original theme:

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

 

[bernynhel]

What's your question? Yes, the next thread should be "how can we be sure these published HA's are accurate?".

And the answer will be that casinos have to get regular 3rd party auditing completed by TST or JacobsonGaming or whomever.

In Australia, it's required by law for each Slot to be locked to a fixed, published HA.

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

Here's a challenge for YOU: Come up with one (1) WTG on one, single post of yours on CM. In the meantime, go start your own thread and see if anyone gives a s*** and leave me and my friends alone. I PMd RobWin specifically to participate in this thread. While your waiting, why don't you go outside and play hide and GO F*** YOURSELF?! Or isn't that challenging enough for you?

 

[RobWin]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I never started the derail as you can clearly see. You know what....Fuck it, You guys can have this fucking Idiot JHV...I'm outta here!!
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[JHV]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I'd genuinely like to Simmo but Rob refuses to respond to my calm and neutral PM's. Instead he stalks my threads and flames me in a trolling manner. I can, of course, provide evidence of this if required but it's really quite obvious.

As he's left me no options, I have to calmly pursue the matter with a fair proposal - he's making certain claims, and disputing the veracity of the mathematically correct arguments I make - all whilst claiming to be a "Gambling Guru".

If there is a more 'fair' way to assess either of us than bringing in an independent auditor (we can both agree on who it will be), I'm all ears. I am neither flaming him nor trolling. Merely responding to such in a calm, logical manner.

 

[chayton]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I'm looking into my crystal ball....I predict that soon it will be JHV vs Bernynhel. THAT will be fun to read!

 

[JHV]

I rest my case.

 

[bernynhel]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

JHVs only contribution here was to start s***. Beginning with me who he doesn't know from Adam. Anything said against JHV here is in self defense.

 

[silkprint]

My best would be Jackpot Capital , Cherry Red and Club World as I have cashed out with no hassles and have won some nice tidy sums at all 3 .
Worst ..I am not sure since those are the only 3 I ever play at now .
Maybe Lucky Red as I have never cashed out anything from them .
Great subject by the way

 

[silkprint]

I hope you mean just leaving this thread and not the site Rob .
Everyones different opinion is what makes a forum great .

 

[JHV]

On topic, I think Buzzluck are probably the safest and most ethical online casino using RTG that I've tried. I did not win there, actually I was in the process of losing...when they contacted me about an accidental breach of their T&C which was entirely my fault and which involved using a VPN to play as my ISP blocks half the gambling sites in the world.

Everything they did from that point was perfect ethical behaviour and brilliant CS. They had every right to simply lock my account, take my money (at least the money I'd lost), and inform me of the failure to comply with their T&C.

Instead, they were polite to a fault, refunded my full deposit, apologised for locking my account saying they understood the position I'm in and they also provided me with game history for transparency and peace of mind as I couldn't access my account.

I would recommend Buzzluck myself based on this experience.

 

[JHV]

I hope you mean just leaving this thread and not the site Rob .
Everyones different opinion is what makes a forum great .

silkprint, different opinions make a great forum. We are completely in agreeance. But some things like mathematics and logic are not open to opinion. They can be proved by experts.

People who are not experts and who are spreading disinformation whilst calling themselves experts - and doing so for monetary gain - provide no value. If Rob felt my arguments were unsound or lacking in logic or mathematically flawed, he would happily agree to my calm and fair proposal to bring in an independent auditor who would audit the both of us.

Instead....well you can see for yourself.

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This quote below is in RobWin's signature:

"Question with boldness, speak without fear, and hold to the truth, no matter what answer you might find!"

Let us indeed question with boldness. Speak without fear. And hold to the truth. No matter what answer we might find.

I am willing to do exactly that with my calm proposal.

You can decide for yourself if Rob believes in his own signature or not when you look at his response to my fair proposal. Indeed, it is far more 'fair' to him than I. He is claiming to be an expert. Yet unwilling and furious at the thought of independent experts assessing the truth of his claim to that title.

 

[skiny]

Ok, I just read through the entire thread. Where do I start?

A: JVH, if you're not on some kind of medication you should probably consider having some prescribed.

B: Rob, stop answering JVH. I think you're making him horny.

C: Berny, the problem with your meter is that RTG casinos have over a hundred games and not all are paying the same. I could be having a great night playing Big Shot, T-Rex and Sunken Treasure while you're losing your shirt in Mystic Dragon and Loose Caboose at the very same casino. So unless you're going to list every single game and let people check off which ones are paying and which ones are not (about once an hour) the meter isn't really going to give a true impression of how the casino is paying out. Besides, we've both been in enough 3Dice tourneys to know that you can be winning tons and I can be going broke in the same game at the same casino at the same time.

Sorry.

Trust me. I'm tired of losing every deposit too. I'm a low roller and most of my deposits are gone before I finish drinking my coffee. RTG and MG. I think the only real solution is - if you can't win, don't play. I've quit playing at a few casinos and closed my accounts after months of loses with the explanation to the casino that I'm not going to play where I can't win. It's that simple.

I'm not trying to get rich but it would be nice to play on their dime for a change. If that's never going to happen I'll just keep my dimes in my pocket.

 

[silkprint]

I "get it"
This forum is open though to everyone as long as they respect the rules . Every thread doesn't have to be a battle . Every member doesn't have to like each other . That's life .
We should however , respect the mods , Meister and the other forum members reading these threads and not turn every thread into the same thing over and over . It gets old fast to anyone over the age of 10 .
Everything doesn't have to be a challenge . Just enjoy yourself
TGIF

 

[Simmo!]

I "get it"
This forum is open though to everyone as long as they respect the rules . Every thread doesn't have to be a battle . Every member doesn't have to like each other . That's life .
We should however , respect the mods , Meister and the other forum members reading these threads and not turn every thread into the same thing over and over . It gets old fast to anyone over the age of 10 .
Everything doesn't have to be a challenge . Just enjoy yourself
TGIF

Thanks. One more post from Robwin or JHV on anything even slightly offtopic in this thread and I'm going to close it. Have things I'd rather be doing than moderating fights.

 

[JHV]

skiny:

What exactly would I be taking medication for? Can you tell me, please? I am calm, logical and arguing valid points. In response, the person trolling me refuses to respond to my calm PM's (which I sent in the interests of handling it privately), choosing instead to flame and troll. When I calmly propose a fair, independent audit - he throws a temper tantrum and swears.

Are you sure you're not getting the two of us mixed up somehow?

In regards to the topic, you're 100% correct and you've effectively argued the point I made on Page 1 or 2 in my first post. OP may have the right intentions, but his methodology will only harm his claimed interests.

What you, the OP, myself can all do is lobby casinos to be accountable and transparent. And I've outlined how the transparency can be achieved.

[Just a note: You may not be aware that your comment regarding medication can be viewed as being very offensive. I am not offended and I rarely get offended. Just pointing out that most people would find it very offensive, is all.]

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silkprint:

An ongoing issue of mine here is that I do respect the rules. Yet others attack and flame. I have saved a copy of this thread for you to peruse objectively if you wish should it be moved to The Attic again.

However, RobWin was not respecting the rules. He was flaming me, trolling, and in breach of the banner plastered above this thread.

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When I react with calm logic and a fair proposal, he uses foul language and spits the dummy. I have been temp banned for *far* less than his little outburst here. And for *far* less than skiny's unprovoked insult above (not saying skiny should be admonished - I'm a big boy - just making a point).

(quick edit: sorry simmo, post made whilst you were posting, just responding to other posters. I'll bring it back on topic.)

 

[JHV]

What has been the experience of those of you who've played at the ClubWorld Group? This is ClubWorld, Lucky Red, Aladdins Gold.

I've played at 2 of the 3 and been fairly impressed, although I've lost every time and never withdrawn.

Just today though, I had an unsavoury CS experience - but that might be an aberration rather than the norm. Prior to that, I would have had only the nicest things to say about their CS and procedures (which give me the impression they're extremely legitimate).

 

[silkprint]

I have had a very good experience at Clubworld as I won my first random there on New Years 2007

 

[The Dude]

...I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim...

That's enough. Stupid me for giving you another chance. Bye.

Edited to add: There are plenty of ways to discuss any topic under the sun without attacking or belittling your opponent. I gave this guy enough chances to maintain his membership, but enough is enough. I should not have to babysit these threads.

Edited to add further: Robwin's account is suspended for 72 hours - flaming.

What the hell people? Is it so hard to not be so damn confrontational?