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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by bernynhel, Nov 6, 2009.

    Nov 6, 2009
  1. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    I've been reading about the wide range of experiences that CM members have had at RTG casinos. Most recently, from the disappointment at the payouts at Buzzluck Casino (http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-casino-slots-very-very-tight.html#post328118) to a player's claim that he was actually "bonus banned" at the new RTG duo sites, Lucky Slots/Cuba Club (http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/328490-post2.html), it seems that the rumor that RTG software includes a "loosey/tighty" switch giving operators control over payouts is regarded, by most, as a reality. This being the case, why don't we set up an RTG Pay-O-Meter (er, or something) where by players can tell what they know about individual RTG sites? I mean, they use numbers from 1 - 10 plus decimals in the Olympics and THAT'S certainly not scientific. I think that a "tight" RTG site will be rated "tight" my most who add their rating and that a (relatively) "loose" site will be generally considered to be "loose" by most. Why should we keep depositing at RTG sites with the "dial" turned to "tight" when, it seems, some operators have it turned to "loose"? The latter obviously does so expecting to be more competitive and those operators should be rewarded with our appreciation. And the benefit for doing so to us is obvious.

    If you like this idea and think you have good idea on how best to implement this "RTG Pay-O-Meter", please post here and PM your "friends" list and ask them to check out this thread and feel free to chime in. Thanks!
     
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  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    "loosey/tightey" is implemented by altering reel strips. The range is from 91% to 97.5%. There are 2 or 3 pre-configured RTP options per slot, and operators can alter these individually, they do NOT have to put ALL the slots on the same RTP percentage.

    If you had the actual reelstrips for each configuration, you could then determine the EXACT setting of each slot at each RTG casino - but it would be one hell of a lot of work;)

    A voting system is less accurate, since a poor session may be due to bad luck, rather than a "tight" setting.
     
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  4. Nov 6, 2009
  5. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    Why aren't I surprised? lol I more than half expected your response to be of this nature. And, yeah, the techy solution would be tip-top! However, a good sampling of player's gut reactions to their actual experiences over time and many sessions would be better than what we have now and would probably save many from depositing at sites who have opted to configure enough slots to skew overall payouts to the low end of the scale.

    This would be something we can use now while we're waiting for you to analyze the exact reel configuration of every slot at every RTG site and post your results. (kidding) And can't the slots be changed at will by operators and wouldn't a "Pay-O-Meter" (from the applause meters from old game shows) be a better-than-nothing indicator of which operators have tendencies to wards looser or tighter? I mean, just the recent threads by lojo on Buzzluck and posts by players about Lucky Slots/Cuba Club provides a pretty decisive contrast - how I got the idea.

    Can't you apply your big brain to help with a simple solution to try this out? 25 words or less...C'mon! It'll be FUN!
     
  6. Nov 6, 2009
  7. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    It may be less accurate but it would still give a general consensus of the overall feel for each RTG Casino in terms of generalization "Tightness" or "Looseness" of the overall games there. Not just any specific slot or card games but an overall consensus of how the games are playing there at each specific casino "In General". I believe this is more what Bernie has in mind here. :)
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  8. Nov 6, 2009
  9. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    It is my opinion when a person like myself has played RTG casinos for more than a few years and have only withdrawn $250 in that entire time is not due to bad luck but something more devious going on behind the depositing players back, so to speak. I don't know diddly about variances and such, I only know that if I buy a can of beans I want more than an empty can. So where are the beans!?
    When I first began playing RTG it was on a $25 free ND bonus, believe it or not I played an entire week on this measley $25, didn't withdraw because I was having to much fun. This hooked me on the RTG slots. The old bait and hook aspect of getting customers by giving exceptional good play in the beginning making the player believe they have found a gold mine. Well then you keep digging for more gold only to eventually come to the realization that the vein was a just a small one and there is no more gold, just dirt and rocks.
    I have probably tried every RTG casino out there and have been more than dissapointed more times than I care to admit. Good customer service and fast payouts are fine but never having anything to withdraw makes the rest not mean much to me.
    I have used once again a free nd bonus on Grande Vegas casino and have made a withdrawal from them for $225. The first from an RTG in how many years???? But even here I have run into a snag as they offer ewallet express for deposit but not for withdrawal. I have ewallet and the cs said they could set it up and process my withdrawal to ewallet. Well they didn't, they opened a Quicktender account for me and put my money in it, but they have failed to give me the login information so at this point I can't access my Quuicktender account "They" opened. I have asked them for the info and first was told to click on the link they sent me and "login", not register as I was already registered. Now they say I need to register and then I can access my account. Well that doesn't work either as I get a message from Quicktender that my email is already registered :mad:. So I go back to the casino cs again and explain this whole episode again and am first told it's my banks issue before I even submitted my problem, then told to email the finance deaprtment, duh, like I haven't done this already. So I have finally emailed Quicktender all this information and hopefully they will be able to fix this problem.
    Honestly I hope they do as I am up at this casino again, haven't met the wagering requirement yet but it's looking good.
    This is the only RTG casino however that has played fair in my opinion as far as they slots go. But I am still on the fence with my love hate realtionship I have had for RTG's for a long time.
     
  10. Nov 6, 2009
  11. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    Yeah! What he said! F*** giving these operators all our dough when they got the screws tightened down! And f*** letting noobs learn from their mistakes when we already made most of 'em! Let's steer them and each other into a better direction based on OUR HARD EARNED LOSSES! How about some ideas on how to implement? (Aren't there do-it-yourself freeware website templates we can adapt and dedicate for this and then just put a link in this thread? Totally not-for-profit! I'll do the work! er, if there isn't much of it. Any poll-taking kinda thingy will work!)
     
  12. Nov 6, 2009
  13. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    Uh, OK. So if there was a RTG Pay-O-Meter you could rate Grande Vegas (for example) "on the fence" and the rest "suck"! Right?
     
  14. Nov 6, 2009
  15. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Fair enough, we have NOTHING at the moment, and whatever the accuracy of any "Pay-O-Meter", it should get the various operators' attention, and maybe create competition to have the loosest slots, rather than the silliest boni.

    The problem is that RTG operators can keep dicking around with the RTP at will, tight one month, loose the next, so this is another reason that this poll will suffer innaccuracies.

    RTG operators will NOT want to be "busted" with hard evidence, and probably believe players could never come up with it.

    Every time an operator has responded to the point "your slots are tighter", it has been with "you were just unlucky, our games are unchanged.........."
     
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  16. Nov 6, 2009
  17. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    RTG RATING

    From 1-10, 10 being the best, 1 being the worst rating for RTG's

    Overall Rating of all RTG'S as a group

    CS - FAST WITHDRAWAL - EASE OF SITES - FAIR RETURN ON DEPOSIT

    5------------6-------------------9------------------1 & 1/2 :cool:
     
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  18. Nov 6, 2009
  19. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Yes, according to my meter, "SUCKS" pretty much sums it up. :D
     
  20. Nov 6, 2009
  21. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    NOW we are on the exact, same page! :thumbsup:
     
  22. Nov 6, 2009
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Well, for a start we can award a big fat ZERO (1 is too good;))to the Virtual group, whatever the payouts:D

    Here is my rating for them:-

    0



    This cuts the workload in half:p
     
  24. Nov 6, 2009
  25. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    sounds like a fun and educational plus guide for players and owners
    lets keep it going

    i think im interested in the effect of reverseing funds also :thumbsup:
     
  26. Nov 6, 2009
  27. JHV

    JHV <a href="http://www.casinomeister.com/meister_awar

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    You should be directing your efforts to demanding online casinos (start with RTG if you wish) publish each Slot's HA (payout ratio is no good - obviously).

    Anything other than that is bordering on being silly (no offence). Your intentions are good, but the tiny sample size - combined with the inability of almost everyone to accurately determine anything that involves a high level of variance - will result in a poll so skewed in results it will only harm your long-term aim/s.

    Do you understand why? It's because the poll with have zero true values (unless some are arrived at purely by chance). Every rating will be incorrect. Loose RTG's will be ranking as Tight. Tight will be ranked as Loose. Loose guys will figure "what's the point?" Tight guys will be laughing at the poll which lists them as "Loose" that month or consistently.

    The end result is that you will provide no pressure to loosen the Slots, but in fact will be providing incentive to tighten them instead.

    Good intentions.
    Very bad result if you proceed with this crudely flawed methodology.

    If you really want to put pressure on them, lobby for published HA's for each Slot.
     
  28. Nov 6, 2009
  29. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    You're right! I change my 1 & 1/2 to a big fat 0 as well :mad:
     
  30. Nov 6, 2009
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    This was my concern, we shouldn't take the results TOO seriously, but the nature of RTG software is that individual operators can change the RTP of the slots.

    These values ARE published, but they are about as useful as a concrete parachute when it comes to using them to determine the payouts players will experience at individual RTG casinos, or even the SAME RTG casino on different days.
     
  32. Nov 6, 2009
  33. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    You could post an actual "Poll" Bernie where you offer say 10 of the most popular RTG Casinos that most peeps here play at on a regular basis and offer in that poll for the player to either rate the casino in terms of overall "Tightness" or "Looseness" for the past months play there. I would only use those two options though.

    Of course this would by no means be a scientific poll but it would show the general players consensus and feel of the overall games play there for the previous months play at each casino. If enough players vote in the poll then it would even be better.
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  34. Nov 6, 2009
  35. bernynhel

    bernynhel Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnoaccred

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    Great idea! (I really mean it!) Why don't you get started? You can start a thread to that effect, post a link to it back here and I'll be right over to contribute in any way you suggest. And while you're getting a start on changing the world I'll be trying to figure out some way of getting a feel for how it exists now so that I don't deposit at an RTG site that any number of CM members could have told me is just a waste if only I had a general consensus. Fair enough? :D

    And, yeah, but I only understand a little why the poll will be skewed since I only minored in statistics 30 years ago at UC Berkeley behind a B.A. in PoliSci. My idea is to provide a quick snap shot of which RTG sites players tend to think are loosest versus tightest. You have an opinion, don't you? From a list of, let's just say for now, 20 RTG casinos you've deposited and wagered at since, let's say, June 2005, if there were boxes to check for simply "loose" or "tight" for each one, in your opinion, based on your experience, how hard would it be for you to decide which box to check for each one? How accurate does it have to be? If a dozen CM members say RTG casino "X" SUCKS but that RTG casino "Y" RULES, are you going to deposit at "Y" to prove that the science of the poll is flawed? EXACTLY!!
     
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  37. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    In my opinion this thread is to allow members/players a place to vent, express their feelings of likes and dislikes about this platform. I think the reason for many of us will be because we really like the games and would love to pump our funds into them if they weren't so tight. I mean really how many spins should each person have to make to get a free spin or bonus round on slots? 1 5 10 50 100 200? Seriously when you are squeeking out 100+ spins and still haven't gotten a bonus round or free spins, a person just wants to scream :eek: But to who and where?
    Lets be fair about it, it is becoming blatantly ridiculous that RTG's are becoming more take than give and everyone should know this.
    All you will get from a casino is the same canned speech they have down pat about random number generators and all the bull. They are jumping on the people are to stupid bandwagon just like the FDA, Government, Credit Card companies and so on and figure they can do whatever they want to us and there is nothing we can do about it but squeek.
    This is the place to get people squeeking and eventually the squeek will become a roar and then maybe just maybe they will sit up and listen.
     
  38. Nov 6, 2009
  39. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    Damn, wish I had said that...:thumbsup: :D That could well be the "Quote" of the year! I may have to make that quote my new siggy...:cool:
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