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[RobWin]

LOL JHV... Negative Rep back at cha buddy! You like to draw first blood by negative repping me don't cha? You never cease to amaze me here in all of the threads you reply in. Grow up please!
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[JHV]

Before you even *think* about asking, yes! Of course I am willing to put myself under similar scrutiny. And I'm not even marketing myself as a "Gambling Guru".

You know why? Because I don't need to.

Those who canNOT do....teach.

I'm actually a professional gambler. You are unable to be one, so you label yourself as an expert (which is a bold-faced lie) and you SELL gambling products.

 

[JHV]

If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

I'm yet to read your response to this.

 

[RobWin]

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

Someone Please tell me again what "Flaming" is here on this Forum exactly??

 

[JHV]

This forum is about the search for truth.

Are you afraid of the truth, Rob? If I am "flaming", then the auditor's assessment that you are indeed a "Gambling Guru" will result in my life ban from this forum.

So what exactly is there to be afraid of, if not the truth?

 

[bernynhel]

Whilst you're gettinig (sic) a feel for changing the world in a way which will only hurt your long-term aims, I'll be wherever actually doing things that make mathematical sense.

But I will come vote on your "poll" - with my "gut" - and so will all the shills, and everyone who has a vested interest one way or another - and the end result is that you won't just have a mathematically skewed and incorrect table of results, you'll have an intentionally screwed with table of results.

Now either you understand this or you don't. If you do understand the basic logic of what I'm saying, and you insist on proceeding, I will insist on asking why? I will push you to find out what vested interest you have in creating a poll which delivers a table of false results.

If you don't understand, just ask the smartest friend you have if what I'm saying is true. Or I can give you some Wikipedia links to educate yourself on basic mathematics as they apply to variance, statistical data and representative sampling / selection bias (customers v shills):

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(This above page on variance is actually a lot of fairly complicated and boring maths. All you really need to realise is that a Slot that pays out Jackpots which comprise of thousands of units or more - are going to be very HIGH variance gambling. High variance = even an objective observer will get the answer wrong almost every time (except when they hit a jackpot - then they will *likely* get the answer right]).

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"blah, blah, blaugh (sic)" ENOUGH!! Spoken like a true Republican. No one's going to tabulate anything. People can just peruse the thread and take what they like from posts from people they know and trust and leave the rest. What's your mathematical equation for THAT?

This thread is DONE! Everyone who wants to go here: https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...inos-suck-which-rule-shout-it-out-here.34419/ and shout out which RTG casinos YOU think sucks and which rules!!

 

[chayton]

Ahem...back to the original theme:

I don't play at RTG as much as I used to, lately it's MG that's been bleeding me dry, however....I have to say that the one RTG that sucked the worst for me (while I was playing there) is Rushmore. I did have one decent win the first time I played but unfortunately I didn't cash out. After that I couldn't get anything even though I pumped a fair amount of my gambling budget in thinking "Sooner or later I gotta hit SOMETHING..." it never happened. Perhaps it's got something to do with those HUGE RJs they have...

As for the rest, I feel luckier at Jackpot Capital I think, even though I don't play there as much as the others. Buzzluck's pretty good, it's just the depositing in Euros that holds me back. iNetBet and ClubWorld have been killing me lately but I continue to play there because I've won in the past.

I don't play at the Rushmore group anymore since the slow pay issues started and now that they're no longer accredited here. Any of the newer ones I haven't really deposited so I have no opinion on them yet.

EDIT: oops Berny posted the same time I was writing this!

 

[Simmo!]

Ahem...back to the original theme:

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JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

 

[bernynhel]

What's your question? Yes, the next thread should be "how can we be sure these published HA's are accurate?".

And the answer will be that casinos have to get regular 3rd party auditing completed by TST or JacobsonGaming or whomever.

In Australia, it's required by law for each Slot to be locked to a fixed, published HA.

I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim.

RobWin: How about it? This is an official challenge. We bring in an auditor who looks over your contributions for say, the last few months, assesses them for mathematical accuracy and logical arguments - then reaches a determination, based on your contributions on your website and on this forum, whether you really are a Gambling Guru or not. If they find that you are a Gambling Guru - I will leave this forum never to return (as well as pay for their bill). If they find that you are NOT a Gambling Guru at all, you have to remove your false claim that you are one as well as pull down your websites which are lying about your "Gambling Guru" status - you may remain, however, to learn actually how to be a Gambling Guru if you wish. But you will have paid for the auditor.

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If you are scared or somehow uncomfortable with your claim that you are, indeed, a Gambling Guru - please explain your reasons below.

Here's a challenge for YOU: Come up with one (1) WTG on one, single post of yours on CM. In the meantime, go start your own thread and see if anyone gives a s*** and leave me and my friends alone. I PMd RobWin specifically to participate in this thread. While your waiting, why don't you go outside and play hide and GO F*** YOURSELF?! Or isn't that challenging enough for you?

 

[RobWin]

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JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I never started the derail as you can clearly see. You know what....Fuck it, You guys can have this fucking Idiot JHV...I'm outta here!!
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[JHV]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I'd genuinely like to Simmo but Rob refuses to respond to my calm and neutral PM's. Instead he stalks my threads and flames me in a trolling manner. I can, of course, provide evidence of this if required but it's really quite obvious.

As he's left me no options, I have to calmly pursue the matter with a fair proposal - he's making certain claims, and disputing the veracity of the mathematically correct arguments I make - all whilst claiming to be a "Gambling Guru".

If there is a more 'fair' way to assess either of us than bringing in an independent auditor (we can both agree on who it will be), I'm all ears. I am neither flaming him nor trolling. Merely responding to such in a calm, logical manner.

 

[chayton]

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JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

I'm looking into my crystal ball....I predict that soon it will be JHV vs Bernynhel. THAT will be fun to read!

 

[JHV]

I rest my case.

 

[bernynhel]

Thanks


JHV / Robwin. Give it a rest eh - you two clearly grate on each other so how about just ignoring each other rather than falling out and derailing various threads. It's no fun to read. Suggest taking it to PM if you really want to fight it out but no more oneupmanship in this thread please. Ta.

Simmo!

JHVs only contribution here was to start s***. Beginning with me who he doesn't know from Adam. Anything said against JHV here is in self defense.

 

[silkprint]

My best would be Jackpot Capital , Cherry Red and Club World as I have cashed out with no hassles and have won some nice tidy sums at all 3 .
Worst ..I am not sure since those are the only 3 I ever play at now .
Maybe Lucky Red as I have never cashed out anything from them .
Great subject by the way

 

[silkprint]

I hope you mean just leaving this thread and not the site Rob .
Everyones different opinion is what makes a forum great .

 

[JHV]

On topic, I think Buzzluck are probably the safest and most ethical online casino using RTG that I've tried. I did not win there, actually I was in the process of losing...when they contacted me about an accidental breach of their T&C which was entirely my fault and which involved using a VPN to play as my ISP blocks half the gambling sites in the world.

Everything they did from that point was perfect ethical behaviour and brilliant CS. They had every right to simply lock my account, take my money (at least the money I'd lost), and inform me of the failure to comply with their T&C.

Instead, they were polite to a fault, refunded my full deposit, apologised for locking my account saying they understood the position I'm in and they also provided me with game history for transparency and peace of mind as I couldn't access my account.

I would recommend Buzzluck myself based on this experience.

 

[JHV]

I hope you mean just leaving this thread and not the site Rob .
Everyones different opinion is what makes a forum great .

silkprint, different opinions make a great forum. We are completely in agreeance. But some things like mathematics and logic are not open to opinion. They can be proved by experts.

People who are not experts and who are spreading disinformation whilst calling themselves experts - and doing so for monetary gain - provide no value. If Rob felt my arguments were unsound or lacking in logic or mathematically flawed, he would happily agree to my calm and fair proposal to bring in an independent auditor who would audit the both of us.

Instead....well you can see for yourself.

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This quote below is in RobWin's signature:

"Question with boldness, speak without fear, and hold to the truth, no matter what answer you might find!"

Let us indeed question with boldness. Speak without fear. And hold to the truth. No matter what answer we might find.

I am willing to do exactly that with my calm proposal.

You can decide for yourself if Rob believes in his own signature or not when you look at his response to my fair proposal. Indeed, it is far more 'fair' to him than I. He is claiming to be an expert. Yet unwilling and furious at the thought of independent experts assessing the truth of his claim to that title.

 

[skiny]

Ok, I just read through the entire thread. Where do I start?

A: JVH, if you're not on some kind of medication you should probably consider having some prescribed.

B: Rob, stop answering JVH. I think you're making him horny.

C: Berny, the problem with your meter is that RTG casinos have over a hundred games and not all are paying the same. I could be having a great night playing Big Shot, T-Rex and Sunken Treasure while you're losing your shirt in Mystic Dragon and Loose Caboose at the very same casino. So unless you're going to list every single game and let people check off which ones are paying and which ones are not (about once an hour) the meter isn't really going to give a true impression of how the casino is paying out. Besides, we've both been in enough 3Dice tourneys to know that you can be winning tons and I can be going broke in the same game at the same casino at the same time.

Sorry.

Trust me. I'm tired of losing every deposit too. I'm a low roller and most of my deposits are gone before I finish drinking my coffee. RTG and MG. I think the only real solution is - if you can't win, don't play. I've quit playing at a few casinos and closed my accounts after months of loses with the explanation to the casino that I'm not going to play where I can't win. It's that simple.

I'm not trying to get rich but it would be nice to play on their dime for a change. If that's never going to happen I'll just keep my dimes in my pocket.

 

[silkprint]

I "get it"
This forum is open though to everyone as long as they respect the rules . Every thread doesn't have to be a battle . Every member doesn't have to like each other . That's life .
We should however , respect the mods , Meister and the other forum members reading these threads and not turn every thread into the same thing over and over . It gets old fast to anyone over the age of 10 .
Everything doesn't have to be a challenge . Just enjoy yourself
TGIF

 

[Simmo!]

I "get it"
This forum is open though to everyone as long as they respect the rules . Every thread doesn't have to be a battle . Every member doesn't have to like each other . That's life .
We should however , respect the mods , Meister and the other forum members reading these threads and not turn every thread into the same thing over and over . It gets old fast to anyone over the age of 10 .
Everything doesn't have to be a challenge . Just enjoy yourself
TGIF

Thanks. One more post from Robwin or JHV on anything even slightly offtopic in this thread and I'm going to close it. Have things I'd rather be doing than moderating fights.

 

[JHV]

skiny:

What exactly would I be taking medication for? Can you tell me, please? I am calm, logical and arguing valid points. In response, the person trolling me refuses to respond to my calm PM's (which I sent in the interests of handling it privately), choosing instead to flame and troll. When I calmly propose a fair, independent audit - he throws a temper tantrum and swears.

Are you sure you're not getting the two of us mixed up somehow?

In regards to the topic, you're 100% correct and you've effectively argued the point I made on Page 1 or 2 in my first post. OP may have the right intentions, but his methodology will only harm his claimed interests.

What you, the OP, myself can all do is lobby casinos to be accountable and transparent. And I've outlined how the transparency can be achieved.

[Just a note: You may not be aware that your comment regarding medication can be viewed as being very offensive. I am not offended and I rarely get offended. Just pointing out that most people would find it very offensive, is all.]

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silkprint:

An ongoing issue of mine here is that I do respect the rules. Yet others attack and flame. I have saved a copy of this thread for you to peruse objectively if you wish should it be moved to The Attic again.

However, RobWin was not respecting the rules. He was flaming me, trolling, and in breach of the banner plastered above this thread.

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When I react with calm logic and a fair proposal, he uses foul language and spits the dummy. I have been temp banned for *far* less than his little outburst here. And for *far* less than skiny's unprovoked insult above (not saying skiny should be admonished - I'm a big boy - just making a point).

(quick edit: sorry simmo, post made whilst you were posting, just responding to other posters. I'll bring it back on topic.)

 

[JHV]

What has been the experience of those of you who've played at the ClubWorld Group? This is ClubWorld, Lucky Red, Aladdins Gold.

I've played at 2 of the 3 and been fairly impressed, although I've lost every time and never withdrawn.

Just today though, I had an unsavoury CS experience - but that might be an aberration rather than the norm. Prior to that, I would have had only the nicest things to say about their CS and procedures (which give me the impression they're extremely legitimate).

 

[silkprint]

I have had a very good experience at Clubworld as I won my first random there on New Years 2007

 

[Casinomeister]

...I realise RobWin is a shill that calls himself a "Gambling Guru" but is nothing like a Guru at all. Well, no, he is. He's a "Marketing Guru" that knows nothing about Gambling at all...so he's misrepresenting himself - and he's lying to you all about his Gambling Ability. He doesn't have any. I've proven this over and over and if he wishes to dispute my claim, we can have independent auditors come in (loser pays for the auditor) and assess his claim...

That's enough. Stupid me for giving you another chance. Bye.

Edited to add: There are plenty of ways to discuss any topic under the sun without attacking or belittling your opponent. I gave this guy enough chances to maintain his membership, but enough is enough. I should not have to babysit these threads.

Edited to add further: Robwin's account is suspended for 72 hours - flaming.

What the hell people? Is it so hard to not be so damn confrontational?