Random won on freechip

[tat00]

ok so i got 25 dolalr free chip max cashout 125 now i know enough that even though i won random i will not get it. but what i dont understand where did that money go? after 2 hours later it still at 1k random . what happened to the rest of the 3k ??? where does it go ? floating somewhere in the casino air? is that not a buildup of players playing there with a small percentage going to random?

also what ticked me off is that i knew i was guaranteed the max cashout of 125 . but i had it on auto and they automatically took out the 3k made me go down to 90 dollars with no warning or popup to let me know so my auto was continuing and now with 30 dollar check fee to withdraw i made 60 dollars wooooppppie

 

[tat00]

lol also now i can only cash out via chek and minimum to withdraw is 150 but max cashout on free chip is 125 whats wrong with this picture? slotastic

 

[bpb]

The "." key seems to be broken on your keyboard.

 

[Cleveland]

I'm sure they probably "keep" it. I know a debate was going on about if this practice was fair are not. Because as you said the money is basically a % of each players bets. So by all accounts it should go back into the jackpot pool.

But on a separate note:

Are you saying you hit the random and they didn't apply it to your account? I know you can't withdraw it but I was under the impression that most places at least allow you to build up comp points from it. So say you hit a nice win but have a max cap on what you can withdraw, you're still able to play with the money and build up comp points. Then whenever you decide to withdraw they pay whatever the max cap was and remove the excess from the balance. In the end though you still have the extra comp points built from the nice hit. Sucks if they never even applied it to your account.

 

[tat00]

no they took it out automatically.........

 

[SlotsLover]

random contributions

It's true, they will "keep it." I guess that's just good luck for them. However, think of all the contribution to the random that comes from free chips. When a random is won with real cash, the casino loses all the contribution made from free chips as they have to pay this out. I think it all works out fairly in the end.

 

[chuchu59]

Now that this has made public Slotastic must do the right thing and put the money back into the RJ minus the new 1k seed money of course. All the contributions to the RJ came from a 1% reduced rtp for the player so should they want to have another go at it this shouuld be made possible and not confiscated. Otherwise, it is rogue behavior ie stealing from players.

As for your 125 Tatoo, they should just send 150 to you with the extra money as a gift.

 

[tat00]

Now that this has made public Slotastic must do the right thing and put the money back into the RJ minus the new 1k seed money of course. All the contributions to the RJ came from a 1% reduced rtp for the player so should they want to have another go at it this shouuld be made possible and not confiscated. Otherwise, it is rogue behavior ie stealing from players.

As for your 125 Tatoo, they should just send 150 to you with the extra money as a gift.

i agree with you but the funny thing is i cant cash out- as i live in usa. i only do cashier check but guess what minimum withdrawal is 150 imagine that

here was the chat
sl-tat00: so my question is
sl-tat00: where did that money go its
Caleb: the bonus is now finished. the bonus automatically reset to the amount you withdraw was $125 the 2495.75 was vioded
sl-tat00: random is now at 1k not 3500
Caleb: void it was voided
sl-tat00: i understand i cannot win this
sl-tat00: but where does it go /
Caleb: it was voided
sl-tat00: it is not fair that it goes back to 1k and noone can get this
Caleb: once the playthrough is met it will automatically be voided
Caleb: no one will get it
sl-tat00: is it not a percentage of players who put into this random?
Caleb: the rules advised you of this
Caleb: it will not go to the jackpot
sl-tat00: ok so on another note
sl-tat00: it was auto matically reset
Caleb: yes once you met the playthrough it is going to happen
sl-tat00: well i had it on auto play and it is now down to 98 dollars after it finished and now i cannot withdraw the max like i planned
Caleb: at the time it reset you were spinning
sl-tat00: should there not be a pop up to let me know or something to avoid this?
Caleb: thus using the 125
sl-tat00: ok so how can i cahout this with cashier check since im in usa and u taking out fee for this?
sl-tat00: ill get a check for 80 dollars?
sl-tat00: is there a way to reinstate this as a reg deposit so i can continue to play?
Caleb: you can play your balance to $125
sl-tat00: without restrictions
Caleb: you can then send a email to see if they will make an exception
Caleb: no
Caleb: it has to be cashout out
Caleb: it is from a bonus the max is $125
sl-tat00: what is the fee?
Caleb: you cannot reinstate it because you haven't taken it out
Caleb: the fee is $30
sl-tat00: so 95 dollar win wow
Caleb: from a free bonus
Caleb: yes
sl-tat00: hmm i dont care for these small no deposits u cant win much
sl-tat00: ok thank you for your time
Caleb: You're welcome.

 

[pinkfloyd]

does its void mean a new ivory back scratcher for the management ?

well in this case we should see what the outcome is , casino with a good rep guess we will find out what happens to jackpots that cant be cashed.

 

[KasinoKing]

It's true, they will "keep it." I guess that's just good luck for them. However, think of all the contribution to the random that comes from free chips. When a random is won with real cash, the casino loses all the contribution made from free chips as they have to pay this out. I think it all works out fairly in the end.

That makes sense when you think about it.
The play was on a free-chip, so actually the player was using the CASINO's money, not his own. So when big wins are hit, why shouldn't the casino keep it?
After all, the casino is risking their money by giving free chips, so it does seem pretty fair to me.

KK

 

[missmichelle]

I know when people hit a random from a free chip at inet, they put it back into the pot. It does take a few days but they always put it back.

Hope you hit another one without a bonus!

Michelle

 

[Mousey]

lol also now i can only cash out via chek and minimum to withdraw is 150 but max cashout on free chip is 125 whats wrong with this picture? slotastic

They'll probably put the RJ money back into the pot. The money you've won but can't withdraw (and the reason I won't even play free chips anymore) is also useless, UNLESS.... is there a casino rep for this casino? If so, maybe contact her/him, and ask if you can put the money into withdrawal... then have the casino put it back into your account clear of any WR and max cashout. Then at least, rather than playing the $125 off as play money (which is what it is now), you would have a chance to run it up to cash out level without being tied to the max cashout.

 

[pinkfloyd]

That makes sense when you think about it.
The play was on a free-chip, so actually the player was using the CASINO's money, not his own. So when big wins are hit, why shouldn't the casino keep it?
After all, the casino is risking their money by giving free chips, so it does seem pretty fair to me.

KK

sorry kk this is the one time i think i disagree with you
the casino uses a $30 chip to get you logged in and tempted to play , its like happy hour at the pub , 2 for 1 meal at the pub or free entry to a night club its used to get you in so they can make more money .
the casino wouldnt give away $30 free chips if it was costing them money in the long run .
and isnt it the case in most gambling establishments that employees are not allowed to bet in their own business ? ( not sure with online tho )
100 % of players not playing a bonus or a free chip put in 100% for that jackpot , a casino that takes money from players every spin , reinvests the players money by forking out a "free chip " once a month to have a shot at its own jackpot ?

sorry that sounds wrong to me lol if the owners want a shot at a 3k jackpot , tell them to start an account at another casino lol

 

[Nifty29]

That makes sense when you think about it.
The play was on a free-chip, so actually the player was using the CASINO's money, not his own. So when big wins are hit, why shouldn't the casino keep it?
After all, the casino is risking their money by giving free chips, so it does seem pretty fair to me.

KK

Really?

Wow. I'm speechless.

The casino places max cashouts already on their free chips, so they end up not paying a fair chunk of winnings as it is.

IMO it is incredibly unethical to not replace a jackpot if the player who won it was ineligible.

 

[ksech]

Stupid question(s) time...

Does each RTG casino contribute a portion of "seed" money to these Random jackpots? So, once a RJ is won it affects ALL RTG casinos?
(I never understood all of this and sorry for being so dense!)


As an aside, if you are playing on a free chip, why wouldn't you check to see what the max cash out is and the max for each withdrawal method allowed to see if it's worth your while to even play the free chip? In this case, it seems the OP now has spent his time to earn "play money", since he doesn't have enough to cash out in his choice of withdrawal method. Maybe I'm reading this all wrong, but it would have been something I would have done to ensure I wasn't wasting my time.

 

[BingoT]

Yeah remember that stupid @ free chip Irish Luck gave out.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/one-million-reels-bc-204-167-54-was-hit-today.31127/

 

[takethemoney]

At least the casino was honest enough to admit that the RJ is gone if it gets hit on a free chip.
Will you play a free chip again after this? I probably wouldn't.

 

[tat00]

well im trying to understand why they even have a free 25 free chip in place if max withdrawal is 125 . and i cannot withdraw because cashier checks only is minimum 150 so there is no way for me to cash out that 125 in the first place

 

[KasinoKing]

well im trying to understand why they even have a free 25 free chip in place if max withdrawal is 125 . and i cannot withdraw because cashier checks only is minimum 150 so there is no way for me to cash out that 125 in the first place

Maybe they do it on purpose to get you to deposit?
After you finish the WR I presume you can deposit to bring your balance up to $150 or more, and then withdraw...

KK

 

[chuchu59]

The free chip wasnt meant to suit a particular individual and many may withraw as little as $20 back to their e-wallet accounts. That's why I believe they should make an exception to your case and let you withdraw $150.

 

[tat00]

Maybe they do it on purpose to get you to deposit?
After you finish the WR I presume you can deposit to bring your balance up to $150 or more, and then withdraw...

KK

first of all i have deposit numerous times there i received a email for a free 25 dollar promo and thats how it started .

 

[chuchu59]

I guess this must be Lucky Club as I have been getting a free $25 chip every week for the past month and yes max w/d is $125. Pretty generous I would say as sometimes my deposit was less than that amount.

 

[fanihi]

Respectfully disagree

That makes sense when you think about it.
The play was on a free-chip, so actually the player was using the CASINO's money, not his own. So when big wins are hit, why shouldn't the casino keep it?
After all, the casino is risking their money by giving free chips, so it does seem pretty fair to me.

KK

The "free-chip" may have been casinos money but the jackpot buildup was a result
of mula bula play of many many OP. If this is an acceptable practice, I have many ideas
if I were the Casino to ensure most the random JP are won for the "house". I think these
rules really suck...to include the "max" payout. I never understood why a casino would
want to "give" free money for non-depositors. They all should stop this practice...if they give
freebies to their "loyal" clientele...it should have no strings attached. Just my opinion.

 

[4 of a kind]

It doesn't matter what anyone here has to say about such issues, regardless how fair or unfair it appears. This same argument has been taking place since I became a member here.

It's obvious that different casinos can do different things. Without regulations controlling such serious issues what would you expect? With no rules to abide by, I know if I owned a casino I'd be handing out free chips like crazy for slots only with max cash-outs and be rooting for the users to hit the randoms.

Imagine being able to give a gambler $25.00 dollars to gamble with and anything he wins over $125.00 I get to keep? And should he hit the random, after he's guaranteed his 125.00 max, I collect the balance of the random to make sure he doesn't piss it away. I wonder what the RTP for me under those conditions would be in the long run.

 

[Mousey]

well im trying to understand why they even have a free 25 free chip in place if max withdrawal is 125 . and i cannot withdraw because cashier checks only is minimum 150 so there is no way for me to cash out that 125 in the first place

Have you contacted the rep about withdrawing , and then put the money back into your account free and clear of WR?

Wait a minute... I'm repeating myself... sorry....

 

[SlotsLover]

mathematical analysis

Regarding the fairness of random jackpots being won by free chips with low max cashouts, here is my analysis.

First, we must assume that the casino software is not cheating or rigged so that the free chippers win the random. If the casino could cheat, then no one would ever be bonus barred because the casino would just "flip the switch" on the advantage players and make them lose.

If we assume that the software is fair, here is my analysis of why it's fair that randoms are won by free chippers and the casino keep the rest. To make things easy, assume the world is divided into free chippers and no bonus depositors. If the money deposited by the depositors were the same as the amount of the free chips, then play would be evenly divided between the two. The contributions to the random jackpot would be the same from both groups. The random jackpot would be artificially high because only half of it would be coming from real money. When it gets hit by a depositor, the casino would be paying double the contributions from real money. When the random gets hit by a free chipper, the casino would keep the random (or 99% of it). If the proportion of deposits to free chips were 9:1, then the random would get hit 90% of the time by depositors and 10% by free chippers and the random would be 10% overvalued.

that's my line of thinking. All analysis and critiques welcome It's a little early in the AM, so I may have missed something obvious.

 

[chuchu59]

The "free-chip" may have been casinos money but the jackpot buildup was a result
of mula bula play of many many OP. If this is an acceptable practice, I have many ideas
if I were the Casino to ensure most the random JP are won for the "house". I think these
rules really suck...to include the "max" payout. I never understood why a casino would
want to "give" free money for non-depositors. They all should stop this practice...if they give
freebies to their "loyal" clientele...it should have no strings attached. Just my opinion.

The RJ is built up from a mixture of real deposits and free chips unless there is a rj seeded completely from free chip play. This is highly unlikely though. When we look at it one way, the casino definitely has a claim if the rj was won from a free chip but that doesnt do justice to the depositors. The free chips are away given by the casinos to entice players to deposit and is a promotional gimmick. As such, they should bear the consequences.

BTW, I read in facebook about a player who hadnt deposited for a long time and claimed 19 free chips in a row yet still complained about being banned from free chips. No matter what the reasons are non-depositors must accept the fact that if they dont deposit they cant play for real money. Simple as that.

 

[SlotsLover]

I agree it's very unsettling when a RJ is won by a free chip or max c/o and the casino keeps the rest.

However, as you say, the RJ is built by a mixture of real money and free chips, and therefore stands to reason that it will be won by a mixture of real money and free chips.

Personally, I won't take a free chip or ever play slots with a max cashout because it's just too aggravating to win a jackpot with a max cashout

 

[ericlee]

i would like to hear from a slotastic/jackpot capital/lucky club rep on this one, they are accredited so a response would be nice.

 

[Simmo!]

It's true, they will "keep it." I guess that's just good luck for them. However, think of all the contribution to the random that comes from free chips. When a random is won with real cash, the casino loses all the contribution made from free chips as they have to pay this out. I think it all works out fairly in the end.

Good observation. Never thought of that


But I agree the rj money should be returned as it wouldn't be fair on contributors who don't play on freebies IMO.

 

[KasinoKing]

Regarding the fairness of random jackpots being won by free chips with low max cashouts, here is my analysis.

First, we must assume that the casino software is not cheating or rigged so that the free chippers win the random. If the casino could cheat, then no one would ever be bonus barred because the casino would just "flip the switch" on the advantage players and make them lose.

If we assume that the software is fair, here is my analysis of why it's fair that randoms are won by free chippers and the casino keep the rest. To make things easy, assume the world is divided into free chippers and no bonus depositors. If the money deposited by the depositors were the same as the amount of the free chips, then play would be evenly divided between the two. The contributions to the random jackpot would be the same from both groups. The random jackpot would be artificially high because only half of it would be coming from real money. When it gets hit by a depositor, the casino would be paying double the contributions from real money. When the random gets hit by a free chipper, the casino would keep the random (or 99% of it). If the proportion of deposits to free chips were 9:1, then the random would get hit 90% of the time by depositors and 10% by free chippers and the random would be 10% overvalued.

that's my line of thinking. All analysis and critiques welcome It's a little early in the AM, so I may have missed something obvious.

That was EXACTLY my line of thought.
Thanks for saving me masses of typing!

KK

 

[Nate]

A Slight bit of a Derail....But a bit on topic.

From a different perspective, one has to note WHY free chips are given. Free Chips are part of the Casinos marketing / promotions budget and is used to reward and also entice players to play / come back. A marketing budget cannot be recovered via unpaid RJ's - It's unethical. The Casino should rely on the Spin-Off it receives by investing that budget into marketing avenues.

We all support Casinos that reward loyalty and inevitably, some of that marketing investment has big returns for the Casino. I can deposit a fair bit in a month and personally, if i do not receive any comps for my bad run or a big loss, I would move to where I receive them.

It would be unfair for the Casino to hold that portion of the RJ and not allow someone else the opportunity to hit it.

Nate