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question about RTG random jackpots

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by slotomatic, Dec 18, 2009.

    Dec 18, 2009
  1. slotomatic

    slotomatic Full Member

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    does anyone know ON AVERAGE how often an RTG random jackpot hits, both per game and per casino?

    for instance, is a random jackpot win happening once per day per casino? once per day per game per casino? once a week? would be interesting to know...

    thanks
     
  2. Dec 18, 2009
  3. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum

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    As you may know there are many older threads about RJ's. I think this topic has been covered extensively. Search the forum :thumbsup:
     
  4. Dec 18, 2009
  5. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    On Bodog it has always seemed to me that an RJ hits once per week, per slot. They have like 40 basic slots, so like 40 hits per week. I'm probably waaaay off.
     
  6. Dec 18, 2009
  7. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

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    If there was a solid answer to this question, then the jackpots wouldn't be random now would they....
     
  8. Dec 18, 2009
  9. slotomatic

    slotomatic Full Member

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    well i have searched but couldn't find anything definitive. Also, yes of course the jackpots are random, but even random events have an average occurance rate per month, per week, what have u. i'm sure each casino has records of this, but it doesn't seem that any of them are releasing stats on what was won and when, which is odd because many casinos do congratulate the highest $ winners in recent weeks, on their homepages.
     
  10. Dec 18, 2009
  11. Pocketdiggers77

    Pocketdiggers77 Gamester

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    For me, at RTG casinos the Random Jackpots hit zero, nill, nada, zilch. Ive been playing for 5 years and never sniffed a Random Jackpot. There are some posts on here from a former employee for RTG when it was in Atlanta and provided some pretty good insight, although I disagree with what he says about the wager amount not affecting your chances. Maybe its like playing the Megaball , buying one ticket gets you in the game and buying two tickets does mathmatically increase your chances but it doesnt really make a difference. But then again Ive heard of people hitting two in one sitting. Go figure.

    RTG needs to start sheding some light on these RJ since they are starting to use the Mini Random jackpot and other Progressive style jackpots but they are probably not for a good reason. If you found out the chances of hitting one were 1 in 500 million pulls you probably wouldnt play. Especially since the RJ is tied in the payout %.

    Just my 2 cents.

    PD
     
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  12. Dec 18, 2009
  13. funeral979

    funeral979 Senior Member PABaccred

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    If you go to the iNetBet website, and look under the recent winners, you can get a feel about how often their randoms are hit. Im not sure if all of the winners are listed since 2006, or just the big ones, but you can kind of see the space between the hits. I don't know of another RTG that lists the random jackpot winners this comprehensively.
     
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  14. Dec 18, 2009
  15. slotomatic

    slotomatic Full Member

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    agreed completely. it would just be nice to know the odds, and if the casinos set it up to be more likely to hit if, say, the random gets over 10k for instance, etc. And casinos should disclose the info. it would probably gain them even more players.

     
  16. Dec 18, 2009
  17. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    The hit frequency seems to differ per casino, I've always wondered how it is possible that the RJ's at the Rushmore casino's are so insanely high compared to other casino's.
    If at Inetbet, or Clubworld, or Titan a RJ goes over 10K people start writing about it on the forums, oh wow, it must hit anytime now!
    Last time I checked at Rushmore, finding a RJ thats NOT over 10K was pretty damn hard.
    Many were over 50K:eek2:, some were close to 100K:eek:, now how can that be?
    They never hit? Why not?
    Do players contribute more per spin?
    It makes me wonder how random these Random Jackpots really are.
     
  18. Dec 18, 2009
  19. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I do not know how to do a poll, but I would love to see one done for Random Jackpots and what players would like to see in them such as:

    Maximimum level before hitting

    Average level of hitting

    Does one prefer the HUGE Randoms vs smaller hitting Randoms

    Etc Etc..

    I think thse casinos woul be surprised to see these answers.

    I have always said, I prefer a Random (If I ever hit one) to be between $1000-3,000,$4000....knowing it is DUE to go off..and knowing I have a good chance of hitting it vs the ones that go on forever and ever and costs a player tons of money only to be disappointed when it goes on the hour they log out...it is easier to swallow missing the smaller ones than it is to see the big one go after playing it for weeks and sometimes months..

    .ust my thoughts..and would love to have others thoughts on this.

    .
     
  20. Dec 18, 2009
  21. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Totally agree. For me a casino that has the randoms that go off regularly and often that you know you know you` may` have a good chance of hitting are far preferable. I still have a sneaky suspicion that the BIG randoms will only ever go to BIG betters which is unfair but is more likley the truth.
     
  22. Dec 21, 2009
  23. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    At Rushmore that should tell you where you stand as far as winning some money. They are tight as hell from my experience. If the payout is set low enough the randoms will progress much higher before they reluctantly hit. Now, their sister casino, Cherry Red, well, I hit 3 randoms there within days of each other. What really bothers me is when these things get so high, you never know how far away you are from having a chance. Some casinos are predicatble, ie., always hit within 4500-5000. Yes I keep track of some of these.
     
  24. Dec 21, 2009
  25. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum

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    But if the probabilty of winning a RJ was not tied to bet amount, tons of people would play 24/7 at 1c per spin.
     
  26. Dec 21, 2009
  27. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Not really, they could have a system in place which would proportionally increase the chances of a jackpot going off the higher it gets between a certain value. Chasing jackpots which go on and on and on forever are ridiculous as in the case of rushmore and is one of the primary reasons i wont play there.
     
  28. Dec 21, 2009
  29. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I actually like the Rushmore group when they came on board and played there for a long time. I quit them a few months ago when I saw what they were doing with their randoms. I haven't been back since at any of them..uninstalled and closed all my account there.

    If they were reasonable and allowing the randoms to go off before the 10,000 mark..better yet, the $5000 mark, I would play there almost every day as I do at the other casinos (Not RTG's) just knowing maybe I would have a chance (fat chance huh :lolup: ).

    I really believe if the casinos with randoms were smart..they would allow more of these to go off at a lower level, then they would see how many more players would come back and stay and play..me, I will continue to hit and run until they get smart!

    .
     
  30. Dec 21, 2009
  31. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    :confused: Do you want these jackpots to be random or not?
    If random, the casino can't "let them go off at lower values", because any outside influence would mean they are no longer random.
    If DogBoy is to be believed (and I'm 99.99% he can be), the casinos have no influence whatsoever about what or when randoms are triggered - the probability of them hitting is solely controlled by the RTG software.

    It's pretty easy to post a poll! :thumbsup:
    When starting a new thread, type your opening post as normal.
    Somewhere below the typing area is a "Post a poll" box.
    Just tick the box & enter how many choices your poll will have. (Plan carefully to make sure this is right).
    When you've done that, just click "Submit new thread" and then you will be taken to a second screen where you enter your questions.

    Give it a try! ;)

    KK
     
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  32. Dec 21, 2009
  33. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I cannot believe that. How can it be controlled by the software when you have $80,000 Randoms at one group , $10,000 at another and $5,000 or less at another going off?
    It has to be requested by the casino operators themselves IMO to set a level for them...so they are really not random at all even though they are called that otherwise they would all be at the same level once they hit and they are not. They start at different levels..and reach different levels at individual casino groups..

    When was the last time you saw an $80,000 random at clubworld or Inet? So they must be set by the operator to trigger no lower than a set point..so it CAN be done...JMO

    .
     
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  34. Dec 21, 2009
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I will have to bow to your superior knowledge on this one! :notworthy
    I'm not being funny - I hardly ever play at RTG's, and when I do I NEVER look at the random jackpot figures.
    So I really wouldn't know if they are different levels at different places.

    I wonder if there's any sites, like (Engineer) Dave's progressive tracker site, who also track these small randoms...
    Anyone know?

    KK
     
  36. Dec 21, 2009
  37. DogBoy001

    DogBoy001 Senior Member webmeister

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    Heya,

    The random jackpot functionality has been identified in numerous threads to date, including:
    www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/28396-random-jackpot.html
    www.casinomeister.com/forums/online...-inet-3-months-playing-there-my-first-rj.html
    www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/30839-anyone-hit-rj-rushmore.html
    www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/32541-real-time-gaming-random-jackpot.html
    www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/34836-buzzluck-casino-randoms.html

    However, to summarise:

    After the completion of a paid game there is a 1 in (n) chance of triggering a random jackpot (i.e.: the chance is not checked after each free game during a feature, but rather at the conclusion of all events springing from a single paid spin)

    This chance is based on a $1 total bet, and is proportionately increased or decreased for amounts above and below that level.
    e.g.: A 1c total bet would have 0.01*(n) and a $100 total bet would have 100*(n)

    Total jackpot contribution is, as identified on the rules pages, no more than 1.5% of RTP (this includes both seed value and increment)

    Operators may choose to group slots without impacting this...the slots then contribute to the same jackpot, but the reset value is still constant (e.g.: $1000 reset) and the trigger chance is still the same.
    Alternately, operators may choose to have a higher reset (e.g.: $5000), with same increment, and a proportionately lower trigger chance, in order to maintain the same RTP as the standard.
    Higher jackpot levels fall into this second model.

    At no time can operators set the value that the jackpot will trigger at, the person it is awarded to, or the chance to trigger (other than choosing model 1 or model 2)

    Also, as seen by some of the newer games (and future games), there are now 2 jackpots, one with a far smaller reset and lower average trigger value.

    99.99% of me thanks you very much :D

    Woooof
     
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  38. Dec 22, 2009
  39. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    Thank you DogBoy001, you have repeated what I thought..that these randoms are not truly random at all but jackpots based on the coin size bet..

    A tru Random is one that does not recognize anything but a spin as in the Rapid Fire ones at Intercasino.
    Once again, proved my point that there are different levels an operator can choose.. which is really not random at all again..If it was , then all Randoms would start and reset at the same amount with out these little niggling tweaks to them..

    Again, thanks for confirming my thoughts..how much of a come on they have become.

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