Providers moving the goal posts
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It's in the Smiley thread Bryan started......you need to have posted a certain amount or have been a member for so many years
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Who is Bryan? Are you talking about Stern-man?
Its gonna take me years to make my account a few years older, i cant wait that long.
If i pm you when i wanna emoji-laugh at someones post, maybe you could do it for me?
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Neat!
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If you're on a phone, hold your finger on the like. If you're on the computer, you need to hold ctrl, shift and del at the same time and then click "Shutdown". Then you will see a list of reactions. I think.
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i see my wording can read like that trance maybe what i should of said was the inconsistence between the two versions pre html and the later i just feel they play different im not complaining about my lack of luck as i understand randomness,take my expieriance on doa 2 for example pre html version had loads of wildlines, since latest version ive not hit one and ive hammered that game but still i feel this game plays the sameInconsistent... as if it were somehow random?
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You can say they are wrong and even unethical but so long as the overall rtp is what they advertised they are not moving the goalposts. I recall some years ago RTG toyed with some of their slots (t-rex comes into mind) and the number of free spins in the bonus rounds were reduced significantly especially when you got 5 eggs. After the revamp, the reels were not spinning in the same way as before. No problem with that but the number of free spins were not the same as before. As players, the only thing we can do is either question whether the rtp has changed. Alternatively, change to other slots or slots from other providers.
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It just seems a massive coincidence it happened immediately after the game being unavailable. It wasn’t because they were recovering from bird flu, was it!
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I strongly believe significant changes were made to Ivan and the Immortal King since the initial release. I played it a lot and it felt completely different to the current version. I've given up on it now as it plays exactly as you describe at every casino I frequent.
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ive found quickspin, to be pretty much garbage from the get-go.....a hopefully good return being 50x
generally lower, rarely cracking 100x
generally lower, rarely cracking 100x
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If you give quite frequent bonuses,as Quickspin seem to do,its inevitable most will pay low returns.
For all the Megaways get a lot of stick, they don't devour a balance as fast as other slots these days.
I've been playing all day mostly Megaways and both DOA so £17.40 left after a nice WD,
Load up Napoleon 25 auto at 0.20 and not for the first time 25 dead spins, so sack that and see something shiny and new 'Raging Storms' by IGT.
Set it at 50 auto on 0.25, start with 2 walking wilds but nothing from them, finally bust out at 49 spins, 46 dead and 3 paying £0.05.
I don't know why IGT bother, why make a slot with so many empty spins, another one for the bin.
I've been playing all day mostly Megaways and both DOA so £17.40 left after a nice WD,
Load up Napoleon 25 auto at 0.20 and not for the first time 25 dead spins, so sack that and see something shiny and new 'Raging Storms' by IGT.
Set it at 50 auto on 0.25, start with 2 walking wilds but nothing from them, finally bust out at 49 spins, 46 dead and 3 paying £0.05.
I don't know why IGT bother, why make a slot with so many empty spins, another one for the bin.
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Close to spot on summary of almost all new slots. Megaways, due to their structure tend to give more play, although some are still pretty brutal. Most line slots have increasingly insane dead spin runs to cover larger pays. Pretty dispiriting by and large.
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I have a few thoughts on this,
A VIP employee once wrote to me, that all people's wagering (or deposits) is randomly being distributed with a RTP of approx 97%. So games are always within bound to the limit on what people wager on average. This is called server sided gaming and it makes sense. Local casino's do this for a longer time. Big blocks of 12, 16 machines, all people's wagering equally distributed or some shit. You cant really break the casino by this model, and that's exactly why they are deploying it. This goes out for the slots tho.
Some games are at the beginning very hot, being played alot, and at some point new games come into play. To make the new games now more hot, the RTP is being set a tad more positive to the new games, and the older games gets less. This seem to be in effect from games from one and the same provider. I can get a really good shot at one game, and have a terrible result on another game. I used to play one particular game by Pragmatic, this fun pretty much ended not so long ago which kind of made me force to play another game.
Trust me, i came back with a bankroll big enough to last as long as possible, to be finally beat down and have the worst day of my life feeling. You know they changed something when you cant hit spacebar anymore which make the spin instant stop. You have to kind of sit it out. A important element is taken out of the game, and thats when you know, they've touched it and mangled it down.
The game with the cups, i dont know the name, but i've punched nummerous (buying) sessions and finally getting wrecked over. Out of 50 buys only one retrigger with a lowzy, 5 extra spins came along. Bonus buys in between 100 and 2000 euro. That game was nerfed as f. So yeah if a casino states we offer 97% RTP, and as long as it counts in the numbers its legal, right? The way they implement that is up to them. To me it sounds very unfair if these where practices that are slowly evolving, just to keep a longer hold-up time, just to extend players playing some more, and more important, depositting more. The variance online is just crazy.
Landbased i could tell hey this will hit in less then 5 minutes. Online? Geezus.
A VIP employee once wrote to me, that all people's wagering (or deposits) is randomly being distributed with a RTP of approx 97%. So games are always within bound to the limit on what people wager on average. This is called server sided gaming and it makes sense. Local casino's do this for a longer time. Big blocks of 12, 16 machines, all people's wagering equally distributed or some shit. You cant really break the casino by this model, and that's exactly why they are deploying it. This goes out for the slots tho.
Some games are at the beginning very hot, being played alot, and at some point new games come into play. To make the new games now more hot, the RTP is being set a tad more positive to the new games, and the older games gets less. This seem to be in effect from games from one and the same provider. I can get a really good shot at one game, and have a terrible result on another game. I used to play one particular game by Pragmatic, this fun pretty much ended not so long ago which kind of made me force to play another game.
Trust me, i came back with a bankroll big enough to last as long as possible, to be finally beat down and have the worst day of my life feeling. You know they changed something when you cant hit spacebar anymore which make the spin instant stop. You have to kind of sit it out. A important element is taken out of the game, and thats when you know, they've touched it and mangled it down.
The game with the cups, i dont know the name, but i've punched nummerous (buying) sessions and finally getting wrecked over. Out of 50 buys only one retrigger with a lowzy, 5 extra spins came along. Bonus buys in between 100 and 2000 euro. That game was nerfed as f. So yeah if a casino states we offer 97% RTP, and as long as it counts in the numbers its legal, right? The way they implement that is up to them. To me it sounds very unfair if these where practices that are slowly evolving, just to keep a longer hold-up time, just to extend players playing some more, and more important, depositting more. The variance online is just crazy.
Landbased i could tell hey this will hit in less then 5 minutes. Online? Geezus.
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That IGT game is nothing to do with me, before anyone points fingers... the feedback I gave on that game was less than positive.
Yeah it's not great although I've been playing Pyramidion and that seems quite good.
The main FS bonus doesn't come in often but the respin bonus triggering on 2 scatters comes in fairly often and usually pays ok, I had 100x which is more than I got for the one and only FS bonus I've had in 600 spins.
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Okay I asked a couple of the casinos mentioned at the start of this thread to look into this issue for me. Not that I expected for one second for them to side with me, more just to see their response.
I know it’s over a relatively short period but seasoned players know when something is out of order so to speak.
My rtp at Casumo over about 4 weeks and around 12 deposits plus money won from other games came back at 43%. Similar at Unibet came out at 32%. I eased off the game a lot but decided to give it a few more tries just to see if it was going through a lean spell.
My latest at Bet Victor left me in no doubt whatsoever the game has been altered drastically. £160 of my own money (plus recycled) mainly played at 50p and a few spins at £1 brought me 2 bonuses at x22 and x16 before I went £120 straight plus recycled without a bonus. Best wins were x23, x22, x16 and x11 all others below x10. My rtp was 17%.
This is not just enough to stop me playing this particular game altogether but enough to make me ask myself if it’s worth bothering at all.
I know it’s over a relatively short period but seasoned players know when something is out of order so to speak.
My rtp at Casumo over about 4 weeks and around 12 deposits plus money won from other games came back at 43%. Similar at Unibet came out at 32%. I eased off the game a lot but decided to give it a few more tries just to see if it was going through a lean spell.
My latest at Bet Victor left me in no doubt whatsoever the game has been altered drastically. £160 of my own money (plus recycled) mainly played at 50p and a few spins at £1 brought me 2 bonuses at x22 and x16 before I went £120 straight plus recycled without a bonus. Best wins were x23, x22, x16 and x11 all others below x10. My rtp was 17%.
This is not just enough to stop me playing this particular game altogether but enough to make me ask myself if it’s worth bothering at all.
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Seems like we are paying to casinos to let us play on their platforms without the financial return...
It's becoming very expensive entertainment for us gamblers...
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I have only been playing online a fairly short time but in that period I have seen a massive change. I am not imagining it I have a very good memory. A few years ago it really felt like you were playing slots with 96% rtps. You had a decent chance of winning imo.Seems like we are paying to casinos to let us play on their platforms without the financial return...
It's becoming very expensive entertainment for us gamblers...
Nowadays it doesn’t feel like that at all. It feels no different than playing an AWP with an 85% payout. The main thing I can’t help noticing is that your sessions are hot or cold, never a mix. You either seem to win or lose instantly. It just feels very sinister.
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The casinos no longer wish to give plays fun time. It's simply take your money as quickly as possible.
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Personally i feel the hot and cold sessions are due to the higher volatility games that are more in favour nowadays. I have turned small deposits into thousands , and also lost many deposits in seconds
People need that excitement from big hits . The trend in game design is going towards the bigger hits. So there must be a counter reaction in what feels like colder sessions.
Personally i feel the hot and cold sessions are due to the higher volatility games that are more in favour nowadays. I have turned small deposits into thousands , and also lost many deposits in seconds
People need that excitement from big hits . The trend in game design is going towards the bigger hits. So there must be a counter reaction in what feels like colder sessions.
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I pretty much gave up going to the casino as online used to be better value. I have decided to switch again now as the tide has turned.
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I could live with that if I had the odd great hit
but my account won’t go past £300 these days.
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Here everything is simple - a deposit of £50 a few years ago was pretty much as £500 is in nowadays.
Today with a deposit of £50 and playing slots at £1 per spin nobody will get far and especially on those which spin fast like Pay'n GO, Red Tiger, Blueprint .etc
£50 = roughly 15 (maybe) 20min of play at £1.
At this size of the bet, to make a game session last for an evening, the luck must be on your side and the deposit needs to be at least £300- 500.
New players don't know that but the game providers do and very well! I think it will become even worse.
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Looking at chances of winning/game time it’s become a hobby that is too expensive. The cold spells are so frequent and the hot spells hard to come by.
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If there's no enjoyment anymore then there's no point in playing. That's why I am in the middle of a 6 month break. Session after session was as you describe. When the big hits did come along they weren't enough to even get me near pulling level.
It's almost like spending 200x to get 150x back, constantly. Yeah it's a big hit but it's not when you consider what it took to get it.
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Sidenote (with a tin foil hat on): You'll be surprised to see how man cookies are placed on your computer while playing a slot.
Long time since I checked, but last time it was way over 20 on Casumo. 28 I think.
A few of those cookies are needed for everything to work, maybe 1 or 2.
A cookie is a way website tracks you. And is very important for web developers etc. A cookie can log crazy amount of information.
3rd parties, such as game providers, are free to place cookies on your computer when playing one of their slots.
Long time since I checked, but last time it was way over 20 on Casumo. 28 I think.
A few of those cookies are needed for everything to work, maybe 1 or 2.
A cookie is a way website tracks you. And is very important for web developers etc. A cookie can log crazy amount of information.
3rd parties, such as game providers, are free to place cookies on your computer when playing one of their slots.
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Yes there are certain things I can’t ignore.
If you have a good session on a slot today, no matter where you play it tomorrow your almost certainly going to find it’s dead.
The constant win a bit then lose a bit more scenario.
The amazing resemblance to FOBTS. On certain days (most tbh) you couldn’t win however much money you spent. They were in take mode and that was that. On the days they paid out they would throw it at you like confetti. Everyone would win on those days.
No matter how much people insist it’s all random unless your from another planet it’s plain to see it isn’t. It’s an insult to your intelligence.
For me the fun has stopped. I will still have the odd session I am sure but they will be few and far between as I have become tired of the predictability of a session after a handful of spins.
If you have a good session on a slot today, no matter where you play it tomorrow your almost certainly going to find it’s dead.
The constant win a bit then lose a bit more scenario.
The amazing resemblance to FOBTS. On certain days (most tbh) you couldn’t win however much money you spent. They were in take mode and that was that. On the days they paid out they would throw it at you like confetti. Everyone would win on those days.
No matter how much people insist it’s all random unless your from another planet it’s plain to see it isn’t. It’s an insult to your intelligence.
For me the fun has stopped. I will still have the odd session I am sure but they will be few and far between as I have become tired of the predictability of a session after a handful of spins.
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ya recently had the update of about the only game i ever played for about 6/7 yrs not once but twice, its totally destroyed
and now falls under what ive come to believe at the 4 casinos i play purely for fun mode games,
now im on runecraft and gemix mainly as im still getting some decent playtime
and now falls under what ive come to believe at the 4 casinos i play purely for fun mode games,
now im on runecraft and gemix mainly as im still getting some decent playtime
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Lately all my wins have been early hours on paddy power now early hours slots I frequent don’t load until the following morning :-/
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I’m certainly not about to get into the rigged debate for the gazillionth time but outside of reducing the RTP which is a seriously crap but unfortunately increasing event, I was under the impression that any change in math design had to go through the UK gaming commission.
That said, genuinely what is to say that isn’t happening? I’d guess there would be no requirement to even imply the game mechanics had changed. Is it permissible to dramatically change the way a certain slot behaves whilst changing nothing else? Is this ok if RTP is still correct.
I honestly haven’t experienced anything too dramatic myself but with so many claiming Raging Rhino has changed since going to HTML it’d be interesting to know the standing with this.
Maybe this should have gone in the “Ask me...” thread.
That said, genuinely what is to say that isn’t happening? I’d guess there would be no requirement to even imply the game mechanics had changed. Is it permissible to dramatically change the way a certain slot behaves whilst changing nothing else? Is this ok if RTP is still correct.
I honestly haven’t experienced anything too dramatic myself but with so many claiming Raging Rhino has changed since going to HTML it’d be interesting to know the standing with this.
Maybe this should have gone in the “Ask me...” thread.
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AFAIK the game providers can do what they want as long as any maths changes are recertified, and the RTP in the help file amended - if it's been reduced. Harsh times. And I agree Rhino has massively changed for the worse.
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This is really interesting to me; I'm glad someone brought it up. In reviewing recent slots, I've noticed there are so many high volatility games nowadays. So, when I'm playing, I'll be spinning and spinning and spinning before I can land a win. It does take some of the excitement away, even though the volatilty means bigger wins when they do come around.
RTPs seem a bit stagnant as well. Very few new games over 96.5%. Both new Megaways games, Wish Upon and Leprechaun and Deal or No Deal both have RTPs under 96%.
I think maybe because slots are coming loaded with so many bonuses (which I do enjoy, don't get me wrong), devs are giving their games lower RTPs?
RTPs seem a bit stagnant as well. Very few new games over 96.5%. Both new Megaways games, Wish Upon and Leprechaun and Deal or No Deal both have RTPs under 96%.
I think maybe because slots are coming loaded with so many bonuses (which I do enjoy, don't get me wrong), devs are giving their games lower RTPs?
I agree. In over 10 years of on line slotting this is the pattern you see. 2 specific instances for me come to mind, one was a 4 reel wild desire win on IR and the other a hot mode win on Terminator 2. Both paid over £4k. After these wins I could not hit anything for ages, not only on these games at the casinos that I'd had the wins, but on any game, anywhere!
I've also noticed that when you start to play on a new game at a new casino, your returns seem much better at first. Similarly when you've been away for a while.
I think that it is the providers and not the casinos, but it's notable that the industry does not like you to use other IP addresses.
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Can tell you know from my side - fishparty has 100% had its maths changed to make it less volatile since its html replacement.
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RTP reduction, coupled with increasing number of HV/UHV games is simply a way to make the casinos/manufacturers more money as quickly as possible. More stringent regulations in the UK are partly responsible for this as has been mentioned elsewhere. However, many players have now been conditioned to accept bonus frequencies in the hundreds of spins as opposed to 150-200 in the past, as well as expecting huge payouts. It is very much the reason that there is a stupid release schedule these days. Make as much as you can as quickly as you can before everyone susses out your release is a bit crap.
Every so often a real gem will come out but mostly proven stuff gets regurgitated ad nausea (erm, books anyone?).
It becomes increasingly difficult to find slots which will not go through large bankrolls inside an hour. Too many culprits to list.
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Something along these lines is how I feel about doa1 since the html replacement. I've banged away at this game for many years, it takes 98% of my gameplay if i play online. Pre html5 It felt like I would get a 0 paying bonus round almost every session, it was hard not to get one for me - where the only pay from 3 scatters is the trigger. It really wasn't uncommon for me before the change over, and I play it alot.
Since the html5 update it feels like I'm getting 1 in 80 features that give 0 pays, instead of what felt like 1 in 20 on the original. It's felt this way since the change over.
I've been roughly counting for the past few weeks, chasing the 0 paying free spins round lol, and my last free spins round that resulted in 0 wins was over 200 rounds .. and still counting.
Sounds strange for a gambler to do... but at times, lately, I literally am asking for it to just pay nothing at all.
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Yes I agree that it’s the providers. The casinos wouldn’t have a clue what was being done to the games. Game of thrones is another that since it’s makeover plays completely different.
I have always questioned rtp. In my view it’s a fancy way of leading players into thinking they have a better chance of winning than playing a compensated game.
Essentially there is no difference. A so called random game with a rtp of 96% keeps £4 in every £100. A compensated game that has a payout of 96% does the same.
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At the time of the original post in this thread I had noticed a change in the game Boaw but it was only over a short period. 4 months later I can confirm that this game has been altered along with many others.
I can only comment on games I play a lot spins through obviously. The latest game that has undoubtedly been changed to the point where it is unrecognisable from its former self is Bonanza. For the past couple of months this game has played atrociously and regular posters on the Bonanza thread have all experienced the same thing.
I am at the point where I know something doesn’t add up. I don’t feel that I have lost money lately, more like I have been mugged. My gameplay compared to 6 months is shockingly different.
Just to make a comparison I decided to check out my stats before and after I became convinced something sinister was occurring.
My deposit size hasn’t changed usually around £15 but you can see the total amount of deposits has increased dramatically over the past 5 months and I am getting a lot LESS game time not more.
Stats at Videoslots.
1-6-2016 to 1-6-2019 = 3 years.
Total deposits = £6,600.00
Withdrawals = £4,775.00
Total loss = £1,825.00
2-6-2019 to 2-11-2019 = 5 months
Total deposits = £3,640.00
Withdrawals = £2,100.00
Total loss = £1,540.00
Stats at Casumo
1-6-2016 to 1-6-2019 = 3 years
Total deposits = £3,648.00
Withdrawals = £2,385.67
Total loss = £1262.33
2-6-2019 to 2-11-2019
Total deposits = £2525.00
Withdrawals = £1339.00
Total loss = £1186.00
As you can clearly see there is a pattern here showing how providers as I stated have moved the goalposts. Games are being devised to speed up the money losing process and as far as I am concerned older games that were popular but not designed in this way have been taken down tampered with and reinstated with a completely different variance.
Obviously providers and Casinos want to make money as quickly as possible so it makes sense for them to go down this route. If you look at my last 5 months at Videoslots my stats are very similar to the first 3 years at Casumo. All that has happened is I have lost the money about 7 times faster.
Given the fact you will lose long term the main aim for providers and Casinos is to speed up the process so this happens as quickly as possible.
Unfortunately they are ruining the industry at top speed and completely taking away any of the enjoyment that previously existed. The one thing they will rely on is that there are far more people out there that never question anything than those that do. For every person that signs up to Gamstop another two will sign up to a new Casino.
That is true for now maybe but there will come a point where that will change the market is not inexhaustible.
Most people never question anything at all, most people will just discard this post as a sore loser having a moan etc. Its not about that I am merely pointing out what most people won’t see or even think about.
I can only comment on games I play a lot spins through obviously. The latest game that has undoubtedly been changed to the point where it is unrecognisable from its former self is Bonanza. For the past couple of months this game has played atrociously and regular posters on the Bonanza thread have all experienced the same thing.
I am at the point where I know something doesn’t add up. I don’t feel that I have lost money lately, more like I have been mugged. My gameplay compared to 6 months is shockingly different.
Just to make a comparison I decided to check out my stats before and after I became convinced something sinister was occurring.
My deposit size hasn’t changed usually around £15 but you can see the total amount of deposits has increased dramatically over the past 5 months and I am getting a lot LESS game time not more.
Stats at Videoslots.
1-6-2016 to 1-6-2019 = 3 years.
Total deposits = £6,600.00
Withdrawals = £4,775.00
Total loss = £1,825.00
2-6-2019 to 2-11-2019 = 5 months
Total deposits = £3,640.00
Withdrawals = £2,100.00
Total loss = £1,540.00
Stats at Casumo
1-6-2016 to 1-6-2019 = 3 years
Total deposits = £3,648.00
Withdrawals = £2,385.67
Total loss = £1262.33
2-6-2019 to 2-11-2019
Total deposits = £2525.00
Withdrawals = £1339.00
Total loss = £1186.00
As you can clearly see there is a pattern here showing how providers as I stated have moved the goalposts. Games are being devised to speed up the money losing process and as far as I am concerned older games that were popular but not designed in this way have been taken down tampered with and reinstated with a completely different variance.
Obviously providers and Casinos want to make money as quickly as possible so it makes sense for them to go down this route. If you look at my last 5 months at Videoslots my stats are very similar to the first 3 years at Casumo. All that has happened is I have lost the money about 7 times faster.
Given the fact you will lose long term the main aim for providers and Casinos is to speed up the process so this happens as quickly as possible.
Unfortunately they are ruining the industry at top speed and completely taking away any of the enjoyment that previously existed. The one thing they will rely on is that there are far more people out there that never question anything than those that do. For every person that signs up to Gamstop another two will sign up to a new Casino.
That is true for now maybe but there will come a point where that will change the market is not inexhaustible.
Most people never question anything at all, most people will just discard this post as a sore loser having a moan etc. Its not about that I am merely pointing out what most people won’t see or even think about.
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Nobody would ever listen to me when i said that all the big data gathered among players would be somehow used against us eventually. Ah well. The best time of gambling has bin. The only focus is to keep players playing more and ultimately lose more, all for benefits for casino's and providers.
Really, seek landbased. They dont throw dirty tricks or tactics on their players. All i know is they buy machines, install them and that's it.
Really, seek landbased. They dont throw dirty tricks or tactics on their players. All i know is they buy machines, install them and that's it.
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Aren't land based owned by men with funny shaped noses and who make you offers you cannot refuse? I'd tend to trust them less by default.
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The truth is, i walk away with profit 7 out of 10 times in landbased then with online. Yesterday i played and depositted for over 2500 euro. I lost this in like barely 3 hours of playtime. Tried all sorts of tactics, nada, absolutely nothing. I was just being wagered all over the place untill you reach that ceiling and boom straight line down. It only changes when you do a new deposit, frankly.
You cant tell me that hitting 15x on 100 euro on BTG for example not being able to pass the 12 or even 16 spin feature is not rigged. Seriously, fuck the online gambling and all their bullshit.
I'm glad you posted the above out, but, it's not your IP adress that they track, it's simply your user account, and from casino you come from. My casino here recently changed it's whole website and is opening games in a new window, with partial the URL masked in Base64, which shows the following.
- The Casino ID
- The players ID
- The players username
- And a session included
They have all the tools to track every bet made, every win and loss at the casino you've done. How many times did you had the close to near breaking point to haul you over to deposit more? And how many times the action started to come back after your deposit and once it's hits a ceiling quickly jumps down again?
I see an overall pattern where your deposit is the actual wagering instead of playing a game and / or the betsize. When i accept bonusses, i instant know that i will have a bit of action going on, but always within wagering requirement. The more you played, lost or depositted in the last period, the bigger your bonus at the end is.
So you have to play through all that mess, select the right game, the right bet, play cool and easy, keep an eye on how much you still have to wager (usually 39x or higher) before you can cash out. And yeah, cash out, while your at it. Because the fun is already over. Casino's and / or providers are in the same business and casino's CHOOSE a pre-set RTP or game variance. Casino's can limit the maximum payout a game can offer so it will be less colleteral damage once a player hits a 100k or so.
I think if a operator brings in enough wagering to a game provider, the chances are big that you as a player coming from the same operator have a greater chance of winning, then a casino that barely brings anything to the table if you know what i mean. It's all randomly being distributed within parameters, believe me. On one casino my favorite game(s) are completely dead, on another casino where i know the name and brand is worth alot more the games do seem to pay alot better.
It's a big phat scheme.
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I have had this feeling a time ago that providers can easily track all the necessary gaming activity of anyone's account.
Just imagine if you were a game provider for online casinos, this knowledge for you would be absolutely essential because analysing and checking this info would give you an opportunity to take things under your control completely...
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I do not believe a game these days is fully independent regards to it's RTP. It's a different model and it's paying out on the players AVG wagering. Simular is happening to landbased with blocks of machines, everybody's bets / wagering is randomly distributed among players where a small percentage is for the casino / game provider.
I know this happens because, at casino 1, i can go full / max bet towards 20 to 40 a spin and hit something good, and on casino 2 where the game is all down the list where nobody is going to see that, barely hits at that bet and has the sweetspot around 2 to 4 euro. I think the overal wagering of operator Y is being distributed accordingly. The biggest casino's bringing the most players get the best 'results' sort of say.
I know this happens because, at casino 1, i can go full / max bet towards 20 to 40 a spin and hit something good, and on casino 2 where the game is all down the list where nobody is going to see that, barely hits at that bet and has the sweetspot around 2 to 4 euro. I think the overal wagering of operator Y is being distributed accordingly. The biggest casino's bringing the most players get the best 'results' sort of say.
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Tin foil hat or not, I'm almost certain slots pay out on the average stake of the player. I have always been a religiously low stakes player- 10, 20, 40p stakes. EVERY time I raised stake because I was running good, the slot went deathly cold and even if a bonus hit, it would pay within the margins of what you'd reasonably expect the previous lower stake to pay. Like a ceiling that can't be broken through.
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Yes there is definitely something in that. On the occasions I have increased my stakes the bonus rounds just disappear and yeah if you do hit one it pays nothing special.
Just the same as your balance never going higher than a certain amount. I find it unbelievable that in 4 years of slotting (and I have played a hell of a lot in that time) I have never had a balance over £1,000. I have only got over £500 about 5 times.
It seems like my balance is only allowed between certain parameters. Try and push it over that and I am guaranteed to lose.
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It matches with what i found out before, your deposits are basicly wagered among the rest. I had a employee of a casino (VIP manager) who wrote me that they where the first casino's that would implement a system that would take all player deposits minus 3% and you have a pool of 97% "RTP" that was distributed among all players.
So yeah, it matches with the RTP is taken out of the "indepent" game.
So yeah, it matches with the RTP is taken out of the "indepent" game.
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