Please pardon my intrusion in this thread.
I too have been playing online poker for a few years. In fact, I got started on the PrimaPoker network, through Royal Vegas, when there was barely 500 players logged in @ primetime. I then joined PartyPoker. Although they had over 20x as many players, I liked the quality of the games and the overlays better on Prima.
I quickly got turned off because of:
a) Loosely written Terms & Conditions
b) Terms & Conditions changed once the terms had been met
c) Software bugs (putting up 2+ BB in a row in MTT tourneys, or skipping blinds altogether for an orbit - this was confirmed as wrong by Lou Krieger in the 'expert' series tournaments) (not sure if this has yet been fixed)
d) Promotions rewarding bonus hunters (to avoid calling them whores). Friends of mine have been awarded freeroll entries in 100k tournaments because they had not played there since taking advantage of the signup offer. Whereas I would've had to play 3000 raked hands to qualify. Seeing as how I played, backed then, 15 STT's a week, I was not eligible anyways.
e) Lack of inter account transfers. Most other poker sites allow you to do this. Prima has to realize that in the digital economy age, this is a reality. People need to be able to transfer funds, quickly and effortlessly, to other peers.
f) Poker room outfits seemed more friendly than casino outfits.
Also, kindly note that I have an account on 3 different PartyPoker skins, with 3 different aliases. This is not encouraged, it's a requirement! I can't use the same alias on each skin. Why is this appropriate on the largest poker network and not on PrimaPoker? Before you ask why I have 3 accounts, I will tell you. I didn't know about rakeback when I opened the first one. I then opened 2 other ones to get rakeback while 8-tabling.
So, with all the facts as they were presented, it appears as though no players have been defrauded. The deposits have all cleared, hence no money laundering. There's confusion about setting up multiple accounts on different skins. The terms & conditions are not clear.
Therefore, PrimaPoker should do the right thing and give the money back. If not, stop hiding behind the 'they broke the rules' bit and provide hard evidence that FRAUD has happened.
Joe.
PS: I'm aware I will get flamed because of my low post count. It's your prerogative. I was sent here via a link on 2+2 and was compelled to add my 2 cents.
I too have been playing online poker for a few years. In fact, I got started on the PrimaPoker network, through Royal Vegas, when there was barely 500 players logged in @ primetime. I then joined PartyPoker. Although they had over 20x as many players, I liked the quality of the games and the overlays better on Prima.
I quickly got turned off because of:
a) Loosely written Terms & Conditions
b) Terms & Conditions changed once the terms had been met
c) Software bugs (putting up 2+ BB in a row in MTT tourneys, or skipping blinds altogether for an orbit - this was confirmed as wrong by Lou Krieger in the 'expert' series tournaments) (not sure if this has yet been fixed)
d) Promotions rewarding bonus hunters (to avoid calling them whores). Friends of mine have been awarded freeroll entries in 100k tournaments because they had not played there since taking advantage of the signup offer. Whereas I would've had to play 3000 raked hands to qualify. Seeing as how I played, backed then, 15 STT's a week, I was not eligible anyways.
e) Lack of inter account transfers. Most other poker sites allow you to do this. Prima has to realize that in the digital economy age, this is a reality. People need to be able to transfer funds, quickly and effortlessly, to other peers.
f) Poker room outfits seemed more friendly than casino outfits.
Also, kindly note that I have an account on 3 different PartyPoker skins, with 3 different aliases. This is not encouraged, it's a requirement! I can't use the same alias on each skin. Why is this appropriate on the largest poker network and not on PrimaPoker? Before you ask why I have 3 accounts, I will tell you. I didn't know about rakeback when I opened the first one. I then opened 2 other ones to get rakeback while 8-tabling.
So, with all the facts as they were presented, it appears as though no players have been defrauded. The deposits have all cleared, hence no money laundering. There's confusion about setting up multiple accounts on different skins. The terms & conditions are not clear.
Therefore, PrimaPoker should do the right thing and give the money back. If not, stop hiding behind the 'they broke the rules' bit and provide hard evidence that FRAUD has happened.
Joe.
PS: I'm aware I will get flamed because of my low post count. It's your prerogative. I was sent here via a link on 2+2 and was compelled to add my 2 cents.