Pokerstars, Absolutepoker, Ub and Fulltilt Seized By Doj

[dealer wins]

LOL at America. Dropping in the world standing quicker than a lead balloon, and as for being the land of the free..... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL China, Iran, N Korea could rival that claim these days!!

Bunch of corrupt, greedy, naive jokers in charge over there.

 

[jod5413]

Your post about America was totally uncalled for, dealer wins. I would hope that in the future you figure out how to make comments that are not so Damn offensive.

Thank You.

 

[lnspin]

Your post about America was totally uncalled for, dealer wins. I would hope that in the future you figure out how to make comments that are not so Damn offensive.

Thank You.

is it not true what he says. I was born and live here my whole life, and am embarrassed by what im seeing here.

 

[pokeraddict]

is it not true what he says. I was born and live here my whole life, and am embarrassed by what im seeing here.

No doubt, anyone that defends the U.S. government right now clearly has no idea what is going or does not believe in land of the free.

 

[anniemac]

We don't need to derail this thread away from the original post, however, there is a big difference in taking offense at someone making fun of our country and agreeing with our government and it's policies.

And there is certainly no need for someone from another country to be derogatory about America. Alot of countries should be thankful to the US because they could be speaking a foreign language instead of their native tongue. Just saying.

 

[takethemoney]

Your post about America was totally uncalled for, dealer wins. I would hope that in the future you figure out how to make comments that are not so Damn offensive.

Thank You.

Very polite response and very restrained. Kudos!

 

[binshakindown]

LOL at America. Dropping in the world standing quicker than a lead balloon, and as for being the land of the free..... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL China, Iran, N Korea could rival that claim these days!!

Bunch of corrupt, greedy, naive jokers in charge over there.

Sad, because it truly appears to be that way. I had a neighbor who had moved from the Soviet Union about five years prior to us speaking one day. I asked him if he was freer in the US. He laughed and said, "your not free here. I was freer back home. The only thing that the US has better than anywhere else is the roads and highway system."

What I don't get is how the DOJ can seize a domain of a company that is outside of the US. I realize that the .com domain is controlled within the US, but doesn't that show the rest of the world how much of a hypocrite the US can be? I notice that sites with their domains seized just move over to eu.uk or something like that. Can they seize that one?

 

[ergopro]

Got an email saying that Rival white labels are not accepting new US players.
Sorry for hijacking the thread

 

[Mousey]

I'm having trouble pinning down whether everyone is shut out of the poker rooms? Or is it indeed only USA players?

 

[Tengil]

Yeah this is what annoys me too. Why whould Ladbrokes the worlds largest gambling company be frozen out of the US when a number of shady two bit offshore hucksters should be allowed to profit?

Lets' be honest the 1996 move was purely about protectionsim. The USA did not like the fact that they were way behind in online gambling and the UK based companies were about to wipe the floor with them.

It is kind of annoying that joker outfits have had the run of the US market when great companies like 32Red, bet365, William Hill and Betsson have all been denied.

LOL at calling FTP and PS shady or joker outfits etc. I and many others trust them more than any European company. When it comes to poker they are in a completely different league than the companies mentioned above.

Plus there are many ways to regulate and tax especially poker. France is a good example.

 

[P.V.]

I'm having trouble pinning down whether everyone is shut out of the poker rooms? Or is it indeed only USA players?

CalvinAyre.com has an update on this. Appears the sites are still up and running but not U.S. and not .com.

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Also looks like .com casino's, poker sites, or other related sites offering gambling, or gambling promotion to U.S. citizens could have their .com status pulled by the DOJ if they should in fact decide to.

Since .com is U.S., all .com extensions could be in danger if the DOJ claims they promote U.S. gambling.

That's big news too and should be an eye opener IMO.

 

[rainmaker]

Thanks for the link P.V.

It was an interesting read.

 

[Gremmyboy]

This is the banner displayed at both FT and PS...

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[Simmo!]

One of the mroe worrying aspects is that ICANN is clearly controlled by the US Gov. Which means the Internet is controlled by the US Gov. Now they have shown that thy can simply take down any website they don't want US citizens to see, it's a huge statement that basically says "we control the Internet now".

It's basically the same censorship that China employ but money motivated rather than morally motivated.

 

[Gremmyboy]

Team America... World Police!

Not such a fictional title after all!

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[Gremmyboy]

One of the mroe worrying aspects is that ICANN is clearly controlled by the US Gov. Which means the Internet is controlled by the US Gov. Now they have shown that thy can simply take down any website they don't want US citizens to see, it's a huge statement that basically says "we control the Internet now".

It's basically the same censorship that China employ but money motivated rather than morally motivated.

Would their control still apply to .com.au and other variants(.ru, .de, etc...)? What suffixes are free from their control?

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[vinylweatherman]

Would their control still apply to .com.au and other variants(.ru, .de, etc...)? What suffixes are free from their control?

Cheers
Gremmy

I think the other country specific suffixes are safe, because seizing these would cause a political storm from the governments of countries who have the suffixes allocated to them.

.com was the default, and the US took control of this suffix long ago.

It could also set an uncomfortable precedent, since other countries will see that the US can simply seize domains they don't like, even if they are allocated to countries overseas. These other countries may then look at the mechanics behind such seizures, and adapt them for their own use.
It seems other countries have used filtering to censor the domains they don't like, rather than seizures.

As Bodog demonstrated, the seizures are more of an inconvenience rather than a deadly blow. The US can't even shut down Wikileaks, which worries them even MORE then online gambling, and where other countries ALSO have an interest in seeing Wikileaks shut down.

.eu is probably the safest domain, since it doesn't belong to any individual EU country, so any shut down would have to go through many different national authorities.
.uk is also pretty safe, since online gambling is SPECIFICALLY legal here, not even a "grey area" of the law as it was before the latest gambling act was passed.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

LOL at calling FTP and PS shady or joker outfits etc. I and many others trust them more than any European company. When it comes to poker they are in a completely different league than the companies mentioned above.

Plus there are many ways to regulate and tax especially poker. France is a good example.

Yes but had the US market remained open these companies would have got swallowed up by the big gaming companies. At that time there was a huge amount of money available for investing in online gaming and most of the big UK companies would have bought into the US. Anyway poker is only a part of online gaming, the companies really wanted to get into casino, bingo and sportsbetting.

 

[zap987]

If anyone gets offended by some comments about America then that is nothing compared to how offensive I find it that american politicians are trying to tell me what I can and can't do by seizing domain names.

 

[Tengil]

Yes but had the US market remained open these companies would have got swallowed up by the big gaming companies. At that time there was a huge amount of money available for investing in online gaming and most of the big UK companies would have bought into the US. Anyway poker is only a part of online gaming, the companies really wanted to get into casino, bingo and sportsbetting.

Dont think that they would have had the cash. Pokerstars was big already before UIGEA. Back in 2004 for example they were second after Party in ring games and biggest in donkaments.
And if they would have bought some sites they probably would have messed them up and the previous owners would have started new sites that in a short time would have outclassed some of the old ones.

Casinos is another beast tough.

 

[FreeDomme]

Sorry to speak out of place but I know where I'm coming from. Thank you for the info about Chekov spider. This will probably be settled in superior court under the Hobbs act of '46 because of the asst DA's involvement.

I'm a donk but I know when things smell like poo. this one stinks to high heaven!

I heard he was handed three indictments by a sequestered (secret) federal grand jury and two of them were murky, one was wire act, not rico.. the others were homeland security financial crimes. I'll leave it at that

get on here lizzy and tell us about your involvement.

Not an accusation, an invition


We know about that guy, lotso and uki sussed him in public

i want this one to go to the wire not be suppressed

 

[gloria460]

This is just the beginning. If you don't think they're not coming after the casinos you're crazy. I'm done with all of this crap...processors using codes that can only be charged in the US for gambling is just too risky for me.

It is not worth it anymore...there are going to be plenty post of people losing their bank membership and money.

 

[gaydave]

This is just the beginning. If you don't think they're not coming after the casinos you're crazy. I'm done with all of this crap...processors using codes that can only be charged in the US for gambling is just too risky for me.

It is not worth it anymore...there are going to be plenty post of people losing their bank membership and money.

What do you mean losing bank membership and money? You are talking about individual citizens that just play at casinos and poker rooms or are you talking about the people directly involved with moving money?

 

[Gremmyboy]

Could PS and FT just get a .UK or .EU domain and keep operating? Move everything over to the new domains.
Everyone in the US still could access through these domain suffixes I believe?

Am not fully up to speed on the entire workings of all this and why Americans have been banned at all?

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[BigPD]

Still playing but ...

I'm in Canada and I play on Stars regularly. Had no problems playing or making a small deposit. Withdrawing is another question, and will wait another couple of days to even try - until the dust settles.

Stars has relocated their website to a .eu domain, and FTP has relocated to a co.uk domain.

My question is - I don't understand how the US Government can seize or freeze bank accounts in other sovereign nations. I would doubt that most EU countries would take the US request at face value without some sort of hearing or something. Also, I doubt if the operators of Stars and FTP would be stupid enough to keep a lot of cash in US based banks given the last couple years of UIGEA experiences.

Absolute/UB can go to f*(&(*& hell as far as I am concerned - and the faster the better.