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Mousey

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Dang... what a party the DOJ has cooked up this year! Everybody's invited... :eek2: And here's another article from
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At least I'm not totally crazy for thinking the feds might be setting up phony processsing...

The indictments, returned late last month and unsealed Monday, are the result of a two-year sting operation by the Homeland Security Investigations in Baltimore, a division of U.S. Customs and Immigration enforcement. The agency set up a phony payment processing business in Atlantic City and spent two years infiltrating the world of illegal online betting.
Agents ultimately handled more than $33 million in transactions and uncovered a thriving criminal community in Maryland and beyond: "There are numerous individuals in Maryland who have authorized payments to these [foreign] businesses," claims one agent's sworn affidavit, filed with court records.

Anyone familiar with this "
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." of the fed's? Or would that be purely from the casino end of the payment processing? What about it casino reps? QT?
 
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I would just like to take this time to thank the good ole' DoJ for watching my back and protecting me from spending my own damn money and enjoying a good card game. WTF, seriously!


Land of the free, what's not to love? :rolleyes:
 

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Thats really bad news...

Want to know why Maryland...

Maryland casinos rake in nearly $13.6 million in April
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Protectionism at it's finest. I'll bet the government attorneys involved all have highly paid positions waiting for them at the casinos as soon as they retire from government....
 

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here is a copy of the affidavit for those indictments / seizures.

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Homeland Security Special Agent Lisa Ward at it again ...
The same person who brought down a key ACH processor for the top poker brands not quite two years ago (Electracash).
 

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This is why QT has stopped payments.

Chargestream is QT

10.Thecontentsofaccountnumber0243058780inthenameofChargestreamLtdatABNAMROBankNV(FKA:FortisBankNetherlandNV)locatedintheNetherlands.

11.Thecontentsofaccountnumber0242087787inthenameofChargestrearnLtdatABNAMROBankNV(FKA:FortisBankNetherlandNV)locatedintheNetherlands.
 

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Lots0, is that in the indictments? Does it mention anything directly about QT or just their bank accounts being among those seized? I'm trying to figure out where they found that.
 

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In the affidavit
sections 10 & 11 of the bank account seizures.

it shows QT's accounts in the Netherlands were nabbed.
 

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here is a copy of the affidavit for those indictments / seizures.

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Homeland Security Special Agent Lisa Ward at it again ...
The same person who brought down a key ACH processor for the top poker brands not quite two years ago (Electracash).

Eco Card and Chargestream are mentioned on page 10. I'm having a devil of a time getting that scrolly poly page thing to work, and can't C&P. Also won't let me download...
 

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It took a while but I managed to skim through most of it. This just plain sucks. I am so sick and tired of being told what to do and how to do it. I can go blow my children's inheritance at an Indian casino and the DOJ doesn't give a rat's ass...I want to spend $50 online at a reputable gambling site and I'm not allowed (God forbid if I won over $1200 the IRS wouldn't get their cut). :mad::mad::mad::mad::(:(:(:(
 

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Eco Card and Chargestream are mentioned on page 10. I'm having a devil of a time getting that scrolly poly page thing to work, and can't C&P. Also won't let me download...

I read it. I had a hard time too. Basically Ecocard, parent of QT/UMW, went to this bogus processor Linwood and set up processing for U.S. payments. They had two bank accounts seized. Presumably this is the reason players have not been getting paid for a few weeks.
 

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I don't understand how they can seize funds in the Netherlands !?! Is Interpol involved now?

I find the Affiant's statement of qualifications laughable. She certainly has not "...been a Special Agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) for twenty years..." unless HSI has been around longer than the Patriot Act.

A material fabrication?
 

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boy the language in that indictment [home land security my ass ] i thought this was about stopping terrorists , :cool: no mention of them that i could see what i did see is a waste of tax payers money chasing American citizens entertainment pleasure and creating some perky job security for all the special needs :D agents [my ass ] at a desk
laughing all the way to there summer cottages to play poker with there own friends

very sad :(
 

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So DOJ you feeling like you just wasted your time and the tax payers money?
Your not going to stop people from doing what they want...
How many times is it going to take before you morons in government learn that prohibition NEVER WORKS, it just destroys what it is supposed to protect...
 

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So DOJ you feeling like you just wasted your time and the tax payers money?
Your not going to stop people from doing what they want...
How many times is it going to take before you morons in government learn that prohibition NEVER WORKS, it just destroys what it is supposed to protect...

Think of all of the seized money they stole will more than cover the investigation. Also, you know that bogus processor they made up profited a fortune.
 

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Think of all of the seized money they stole will more than cover the investigation. Also, you know that bogus processor they made up profited a fortune.
Ya and I'll bet all those feds lawyers will all have well paying jobs waiting for them in the land based casinos... after all Maryland land based casinos had a record month in profits last month... now they don't have to worry about those 'evil' online casinos cutting into their profits next month will even be better...

The idea that the police can seize money and then keep it.. should be illegal.

But here in America.. Prosecution for Profit is the way it is.
 

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Sad to say these places will probably get hit twice as hard as Stars, Tilt etc because of the sting operation and the vast amount of evidence they probably have against the operators.

It's going to be a bad year for US players I suspect. After this second lot I can see the majority of operators pulling the plug on the states.
 

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It's going to be even more difficult for the casinos to find processors now... unless of course they're set up by our gov. LMAO... As we've seen, if you help process the money, you've got to be prepared for arrest, seizure of all funds (whether it came from what you're accused of or not), seizure of everything you own, jail time, lawyers, blahblahblah.

And WTF did they need an 'informant' for?? Makes gambling sound more evil and underground, I suppose. Hell, I fully believe half the DOJ and FBI have as many gambling accounts as I do.

Well, at least we all know how we can safely play poker and the slots... work for the DOJ and/or HomelandInsecurity. They have their own processing and will let you play all you want.... Funny how 'money laundering' is illegal if someone else does it, but it's an 'undercover operation' (that makes a LOT of money) for 2 YEARS when the DOJ does it. :p
 

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scissoring? lol!

Thats really bad news...

Want to know why Maryland...

Maryland casinos rake in nearly $13.6 million in April
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Protectionism at it's finest. I'll bet the government attorneys involved all have highly paid positions waiting for them at the casinos as soon as they retire from government....

Good point.

In the state with the most draconian laws against online gaming, Washington State, the penalties for users of gambling sites, including poker, are quite stiff, as the player is committing a felony, and what a coincidence, the largest lobby in King county is a casino group (Emerald Queen) and a major campaign contributor for Gov. Chris Gregoire's election was a Tribe from Spokane...

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Everywhere we look, the state is in bed with big business (violently scissoring each other in some cases). The system has eroded to such a point that transparency isnt even the problem... We now have no illusion of a sound and just system of checks and balances, and the only thing which is growing faster than the size of the federal government is the amount of debt that future generations will be saddled with...

The process has changed, and with it the policy has too... The process used to be center around fundamental principles as out lined in the Bill of Rights... But as special interest's have become the pocket books of lawmakers, the policies of the legislature have increasingly been 'for sale'.

...gambling experts say the state's arrangement, which gives the governor power to approve or reject gambling agreements with the tribes and allows those same tribes to contribute to political campaigns, is ethically problematic but not illegal.
"It's a payoff," said University of Nevada-Las Vegas professor William Thompson, who has been studying tribal gambling since 1988. "She shouldn't take any campaign money, nor should her political party, and it smells too quid pro quo for my liking."

And yet she has, and since her election, Gregoire has overseen the passing and placement of legislation that pisses on the constitution and has led to the uprise of literally dozens of places to places a bet in one form or another, in nearly every strip mall and shopping center, nearly every bowling alley and many a cafe and sports bar.

Here is a google maps search for places to gamble in and near downtown Seattle...

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When you then consider that there are another 12 or so places with-in three miles to the west of this map, on and around Bainbridge Island, a place with a very low population density, and you further consider that most of these establishments are new, it becomes quite clear Gregoire's pacts with the tribes were not to keep the good ppl of Wash. St. away from the corrosive vice of gambling nor limit the expansion of tribal gaming(although it has done that)...

And I assert that the actions by the DoJ are, each and everyone, similarly motivated: by kickbacks, by campaign contributions, and by the same force on every bottom line.

ps: lol scissoring! !ror!
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One of the things that has always mystified me about the approach to online gambling by the US in general (and Washington state in particular) is the fact that every kind of gambling known to Man is tolerated and even encouraged in one form or another - and just about everywhere.

And yet there is this almost pathological desire to wipe out the internet variety....give or take a few vested interest legislative carve outs for the likes of horse racing, fantasy sports and state lotteries, of course.

The attitude is just so inequitable that it smells to high heaven of protectionism imo - and I'm not given to conspiracy theory.

The amount of time and energy that federal government authorities devote to exterminating online gambling, and the lengths to which they go, would probably eliminate the drug problem if focused in that direction ;)

The sequence of events now unfolding, and the years of work by the DoJ and others now becoming apparent, suggests some sort of long term coordinated plan (I know - that sounds like a conspiracy theory!) and it is suspicious that as events unfold there are growing indications that the US land gambling majors are showing every intention of climbing into the internet gambling driver's seat once the main opposition has been driven out of US contention.
 

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One of the things that has always mystified me about the approach to online gambling by the US in general (and Washington state in particular) is the fact that every kind of gambling known to Man is tolerated and even encouraged in one form or another - and just about everywhere.

And yet there is this almost pathological desire to wipe out the internet variety....give or take a few vested interest legislative carve outs for the likes of horse racing, fantasy sports and state lotteries, of course.

The attitude is just so inequitable that it smells to high heaven of protectionism imo - and I'm not given to conspiracy theory.

The amount of time and energy that federal government authorities devote to exterminating online gambling, and the lengths to which they go, would probably eliminate the drug problem if focused in that direction ;)

The sequence of events now unfolding, and the years of work by the DoJ and others now becoming apparent, suggests some sort of long term coordinated plan (I know - that sounds like a conspiracy theory!) and it is suspicious that as events unfold there are growing indications that the US land gambling majors are showing every intention of climbing into the internet gambling driver's seat once the main opposition has been driven out of US contention.


Bingo!! Give the man his prize. LOL
;)
 

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Yup I believe that Jet has it figured out.

Protectionism... is a nice word compared to "Corruption".
and this government protectionism is nothing but corruption at the highest levels of state and federal government.

All they are 'protecting' is the land based casinos profits and the political campaign 'donations' that those same land based casinos invest in the politicos.
 
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