Playfair Casino

[vegetagirl2008]

This is just utterly ridiculous, A free chip with this crazy-ass playthrough..

 

[slotheadlizard]

Crazy

Wow, that is crazy. At least its free. Hey Veg you may want to blackout your acct. no.

 

[zebedy]

they also dont allow players from the uk to redeem the free chip, even though it says nothing on there site about this,it seems like a big con to me

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Wow, that is crazy. At least its free. Hey Veg you may want to blackout your acct. no.

Opps to late I think I get a mod to fix that thanks its not like I am going to deposit there anymore anyways

 

[jackieonweb]

I've been sent an email from these guys asking me to sign up.
Are they part of another group? Do they pay?

 

[KasinoKing]

I've been sent an email from these guys asking me to sign up.
Are they part of another group? Do they pay?

They are a sister casino to Casino33.
Both casinos are brand new and still suffering "Start-up teething" IMHO.
There is a rep here on the form called "CasinoJack" who says they do pay (well, he would, wouldn't he! )

See the last dozen or so posts in this thread:-
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casino-33.32720/

Until they are properly established, why don't you just stick to existing accredited casinos - why take the risk?

Whatever you do... Good Luck!
KK

 

[jackieonweb]

Well my son thought he'd give the place a go and took their 777% slot bonus.
He had around 800 spins on their Cleopatra and Paydirt! slots and didn't get one bonus round. They normally come around every 100 spins don't they? If so that's about 3000 to 1.
Can they change the house edge on these slots?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well my son thought he'd give the place a go and took their 777% slot bonus.
He had around 800 spins on their Cleopatra and Paydirt! slots and didn't get one bonus round. They normally come around every 100 spins don't they? If so that's about 3000 to 1.
Can they change the house edge on these slots?

Yes. So far as we can tell RTG offer 3 settings, approx values 93%, 95%, 97%

The differences may look insignificant, but convert this into playing experience.

If you played a total of 1000 spins at $1 for example, the lower setting would return (on average) $930. The middle setting would return $950, $20 more. Taking WR into consideration, for example, you might be asked to wager a deposit+bonus 20x. By lowering the RTP to 93%, the casino takes an extra $20 per $1000 played through, making it far harder to meet WR. This allows RTG casinos to pretend to be offering the SAME deal as "everybody else", or even better, but by using the lowest RTP setting the deal can be far WORSE than "everybody else".

It seems that RTG casinos are asking for some (maybe all) slots to be changed to a different RTP setting. A recent thread where a "technical glitch" was said to be producing two pears together on the RTG game FRuit Frenzy was later confirmed by a very good source to be HUMAN error, but only appearing because it featured in one of the ALTERNATE RTP versions of the game, NOT the standard 95% one that players assume they are being offered.

I very much doubt they have RAISED it to 97% given the current "credit crunch" climate, and following recession. I feel it reasonable to assume that seeing this double pear variant is an indication that the RTG casino concerned has switched the slots down to 93%, which would make them able to offer bonuses that APPEAR to be much better than they are.

RTP is varied by changing a few symbols on some or all of the reels. If a symbol that triggers a bonus round is removed, as might be the case where a "loose" variant featured two of them on a reel, the number of bonus rounds would decrease very noticeably. EXTENDING the length of a reel with only one bonus triggering symbol would have the same effect, more spins on average between bonus rounds. Padding would most likely be with low paying symbols, but craftier ways to pad out reels might be to ensure, for example, that reels 1 and 3 had loads of some kinds of symbols, and reel 2 had hardly any, but loads of symbols that hardly appear on reel 1 - this trick can make a slot APPEAR low variance, but actually be HIGH variance. The MGS slot Cashapillar uses this kind of reelstrip structure, so despite it having 100 winlines, you seem to get so many more "empty" spins than gut feeling tells you is right.

The fact that this casino says UK players can't have the free chip, BUT DOESN'T PUBLISH THIS IN THE TERMS makes this one to be wary of, because of what ELSE they might claim "applies to UK players" when they try to cash out from what seems a high bonus compared to the offerings from other software branded casinos.

 

[jackieonweb]

Thanks a lot for the info. I wasn't aware the HE could be changed between the different casinos.
It looks likely these guys are on the lowest payout setting then, unless my son just got some bad variance.
Thanks

 

[vinylweatherman]

Thanks a lot for the info. I wasn't aware the HE could be changed between the different casinos.
It looks likely these guys are on the lowest payout setting then, unless my son just got some bad variance.
Thanks

If there is WR to go, put Fruit Frenzy on, and look closely at reel 2. It has 40 stops, and the design cock-up that lets players see (and pretty obviously) that it is an alternate RTP version, is TWO pears, one above the other. These are at stops 40 and 1. NOT seeing them is not conclusive until quite a few spins have been played, but seeing them even ONCE is pretty conclusive.

If your son manages to beat the WR, and have money to withdraw, he should expect (if this has not already happened) to send copies of identity documents to the casino before they pay. This is standard, and unless the casino is a known rogue, nothing sinister.

A standard request would be

1) Driving License or Passport
2) Utility bill, bank statement (or anything official that proves he lives where he said he does when registering).
3) Declaration form for any credit cards used

A "playing games" request would be any, or all of:-

1) A picture of him holding his Passport or Driving License
2) A "notarised" copy of the above documents
3) Withdrawal stuck "pending" and sudden and unexplainable loss of communication.

If he is old enough to gamble, but does not drive, and does not have a passport, he can face SERIOUS problems in getting paid from a large number of online casinos, and may need help (unless he is "up to something", or received bad advice on how to register & play)

 

[Cassa]

Great info VWM, thanks.

 

[casinojack]

Yes. So far as we can tell RTG offer 3 settings, approx values 93%, 95%, 97%

The differences may look insignificant, but convert this into playing experience.

If you played a total of 1000 spins at $1 for example, the lower setting would return (on average) $930. The middle setting would return $950, $20 more. Taking WR into consideration, for example, you might be asked to wager a deposit+bonus 20x. By lowering the RTP to 93%, the casino takes an extra $20 per $1000 played through, making it far harder to meet WR. This allows RTG casinos to pretend to be offering the SAME deal as "everybody else", or even better, but by using the lowest RTP setting the deal can be far WORSE than "everybody else".

It seems that RTG casinos are asking for some (maybe all) slots to be changed to a different RTP setting. A recent thread where a "technical glitch" was said to be producing two pears together on the RTG game FRuit Frenzy was later confirmed by a very good source to be HUMAN error, but only appearing because it featured in one of the ALTERNATE RTP versions of the game, NOT the standard 95% one that players assume they are being offered.

I very much doubt they have RAISED it to 97% given the current "credit crunch" climate, and following recession. I feel it reasonable to assume that seeing this double pear variant is an indication that the RTG casino concerned has switched the slots down to 93%, which would make them able to offer bonuses that APPEAR to be much better than they are.

RTP is varied by changing a few symbols on some or all of the reels. If a symbol that triggers a bonus round is removed, as might be the case where a "loose" variant featured two of them on a reel, the number of bonus rounds would decrease very noticeably. EXTENDING the length of a reel with only one bonus triggering symbol would have the same effect, more spins on average between bonus rounds. Padding would most likely be with low paying symbols, but craftier ways to pad out reels might be to ensure, for example, that reels 1 and 3 had loads of some kinds of symbols, and reel 2 had hardly any, but loads of symbols that hardly appear on reel 1 - this trick can make a slot APPEAR low variance, but actually be HIGH variance. The MGS slot Cashapillar uses this kind of reelstrip structure, so despite it having 100 winlines, you seem to get so many more "empty" spins than gut feeling tells you is right.

The fact that this casino says UK players can't have the free chip, BUT DOESN'T PUBLISH THIS IN THE TERMS makes this one to be wary of, because of what ELSE they might claim "applies to UK players" when they try to cash out from what seems a high bonus compared to the offerings from other software branded casinos.

Playfair and casino33 have merged operations and these crazy things are being resolved as we speak. We are in agreement with the players here, and we will be updating the site. We love our players from anywhere in the world......

EDIT: i just Looked and fruit Frenzy is set to 97.5%....

 

[casinojack]

Thanks a lot for the info. I wasn't aware the HE could be changed between the different casinos.
It looks likely these guys are on the lowest payout setting then, unless my son just got some bad variance.
Thanks

Going to say bad variance as most of our slots are set at the 97% payouts. If you PM me his LoginId i would be more then happy to review...

 

[casinojack]

If there is WR to go, put Fruit Frenzy on, and look closely at reel 2. It has 40 stops, and the design cock-up that lets players see (and pretty obviously) that it is an alternate RTP version, is TWO pears, one above the other. These are at stops 40 and 1. NOT seeing them is not conclusive until quite a few spins have been played, but seeing them even ONCE is pretty conclusive.

If your son manages to beat the WR, and have money to withdraw, he should expect (if this has not already happened) to send copies of identity documents to the casino before they pay. This is standard, and unless the casino is a known rogue, nothing sinister.

A standard request would be

1) Driving License or Passport
2) Utility bill, bank statement (or anything official that proves he lives where he said he does when registering).
3) Declaration form for any credit cards used

A "playing games" request would be any, or all of:-

1) A picture of him holding his Passport or Driving License
2) A "notarised" copy of the above documents
3) Withdrawal stuck "pending" and sudden and unexplainable loss of communication.

If he is old enough to gamble, but does not drive, and does not have a passport, he can face SERIOUS problems in getting paid from a large number of online casinos, and may need help (unless he is "up to something", or received bad advice on how to register & play)

Good stuff, BUT please note NON USA players may indeed have to go through the "1) A picture of him holding his Passport or Driving License" hoop. Is not normal, but sometimes happens...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Good stuff, BUT please note NON USA players may indeed have to go through the "1) A picture of him holding his Passport or Driving License" hoop. Is not normal, but sometimes happens...

WHY?

It is insulting to us that there is NEVER, it seems, a case that a US player will be doubted, yet you will, even if rarely, doubt a NON US player.

US players are NOT all "innocent", and are just as likely to attempt player fraud as NON US players.

If anything, you stand to suffer MORE if a US player decides to turn nasty. If you read a few threads, you will see that US banks will AUTOMATICALLY issue a "chargeback" for ANY transfers they later find out were in breach of UIGEA. A fraudulent US player could easily exploit this.

On the other hand, you appear to be a "rep" for these casinos, yet this does NOT appear in your user profile. If you are going to speak in an official capacity, you should register as a casino rep.

If your slots are set at 97%, then this WILL attract players who suspect that other RTG casinos have gone the other way to 93%.

There are however, members that WILL eventually catch a lie when it comes to RTP settings, and you should ensure that this was an AUTHORISED statement to make, and is CURRENTLY implemented.

Variance is understood by most experienced players, which is why you CANNOT make a statement about overall RTP from a small sample of spins, a common mistake made in the heat of the moment when accusing a slot game of being "rigged".

RTP settings at RTG have become a warm topic (should be HOT!) since the revelation of the fact that some RTG casinos have a version of FRuit Frenzy that shows 2 pears together on reel 2.
If your 97% Fruit Frenzy does NOT show 2 pears, and we can verify it is 97%, we can then know for certain that the double pear variant IS 93% (although I have suspected this all along).

 

[casinojack]

WHY?

It is insulting to us that there is NEVER, it seems, a case that a US player will be doubted, yet you will, even if rarely, doubt a NON US player.

US players are NOT all "innocent", and are just as likely to attempt player fraud as NON US players.

If anything, you stand to suffer MORE if a US player decides to turn nasty. If you read a few threads, you will see that US banks will AUTOMATICALLY issue a "chargeback" for ANY transfers they later find out were in breach of UIGEA. A fraudulent US player could easily exploit this.

On the other hand, you appear to be a "rep" for these casinos, yet this does NOT appear in your user profile. If you are going to speak in an official capacity, you should register as a casino rep.

If your slots are set at 97%, then this WILL attract players who suspect that other RTG casinos have gone the other way to 93%.

There are however, members that WILL eventually catch a lie when it comes to RTP settings, and you should ensure that this was an AUTHORISED statement to make, and is CURRENTLY implemented.

Variance is understood by most experienced players, which is why you CANNOT make a statement about overall RTP from a small sample of spins, a common mistake made in the heat of the moment when accusing a slot game of being "rigged".

RTP settings at RTG have become a warm topic (should be HOT!) since the revelation of the fact that some RTG casinos have a version of FRuit Frenzy that shows 2 pears together on reel 2.
If your 97% Fruit Frenzy does NOT show 2 pears, and we can verify it is 97%, we can then know for certain that the double pear variant IS 93% (although I have suspected this all along).

There are some countries where, sadly fraud is very very high. This is combined with a few factors, not country only, but it is a big weight in the equation.

My user profile does need to be updated, and will be later....I am the official spokesperson for casino33 and playfaircasino

I have not played with the slot in question, as far as examining it in this detail, but I can assure the setting I state is is correct. It is 97.5%

As for using the term variance, I was simply responding to the poster, and not trying to open a can of worms...Your point is good, and i should have been more clear

For the record, I had been pushing what our slot payouts would be across the board, but have been some issues in doing this. I have had my hand slapped a couple of time to show transparency, and to stand up to audits on this, but RTG (rightly so) does not want screens or videos or any other way for me to broadcast current settings in the backend. The only way would be live, in the flesh.

I am open to suggestions / ideas etc

 

[vinylweatherman]

There are some countries where, sadly fraud is very very high. This is combined with a few factors, not country only, but it is a big weight in the equation.

My user profile does need to be updated, and will be later....I am the official spokesperson for casino33 and playfaircasino

I have not played with the slot in question, as far as examining it in this detail, but I can assure the setting I state is is correct. It is 97.5%

As for using the term variance, I was simply responding to the poster, and not trying to open a can of worms...Your point is good, and i should have been more clear

For the record, I had been pushing what our slot payouts would be across the board, but have been some issues in doing this. I have had my hand slapped a couple of time to show transparency, and to stand up to audits on this, but RTG (rightly so) does not want screens or videos or any other way for me to broadcast current settings in the backend. The only way would be live, in the flesh.

I am open to suggestions / ideas etc

I doubt ANY software provider or operator would want this. They are afraid of what "hackers" might do if they could see parts of the back-end. Even if you did show videos or screenshots, this could have been set up for show. The only way to prove the slots are 97.5% IS an independent audit of RTP over an extended period of time (to smooth variance related peaks and troughs).

Microgaming had a long run of independent audits done by PWC, and these pointed to 95% being the average setting for their slots games.

Given that your slots are on 97.5%, there should be threads about how your casinos play "like it used to be", with players applauding the return to decent playing time on their deposits.

As for your issue about fraud being higher in some places than others, this is true, but you CANNOT make a statement that more or less implies there is NEVER fraud in a particular country, as this not only offends other nationalities, but provides a chink in your armour, giving fraudsters the idea to try it from a country that is NEVER checked for fraud attempts.


The other interesting issue often discussed is WHY some countries have to wager MUCH MORE to release a bonus than others. It can have NOTHING to do with fraud, as the RTP and variance of a game is the same for all players, and IF it were about fraud, the WR on a bonus is irrelevant (they would not get paid whether the WR was 20x or 200x).
Players from countries who are fed this line of BS that they must wager more than anyone else "because of higher fraud risks" know this is a load of rubbish, and if they have any sense, just don't play the predatory and often impossible WR tucked away in the terms.
This is why I don't have ONE SINGLE Playtech casino currently installed on my PC, and it will remain this way until operators come to terms with the fact that my country's citizens are no better at playing slots than any one elses (unless these slots are NOT RANDOM of course).

 

[casinojack]

We are still new, but some forums have seen this...Give us time, may take 6 - 12 months for this to come to light.

Also being new, we do not have ALL slots at 97%, just some....Fruit Frenzy is one of those though...and none are set to the lowest...

 

[deucebag]

Yes. So far as we can tell RTG offer 3 settings, approx values 93%, 95%, 97%

Actually, I believe casionjack has said the lowest setting is 91% for most slots, not 93%. I also believe the middle setting is approximately 94%, based on some numbers posted by virtualted way back (too lazy to search for it now).

Anyone with inside knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[casinojack]

Actually, I believe casionjack has said the lowest setting is 91% for most slots, not 93%. I also believe the middle setting is approximately 94%, based on some numbers posted by virtualted way back (too lazy to search for it now).

Anyone with inside knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong.

depends on the game, some have 2 settings some have 3

Some are lower then 93%...

 

[cheetahwind]

Well so far haven't been overly impressed with this casino payout wise.

1) Have deposited $25 on 2 different occasions now and have even taken advantage of there generous 777% bonus and the 400% with even a $75 N/D bonus after loosing. So far a no go on even getting close to completing the coupons.

2) Have like 400 some odd comp points and there's no real definition as to what I'm earning comp points for because there isn't a comp points button. So I'm going to guess there's some trick to that either I have to contact support or something to redeem those points.

3) Live chat seems rather delayed... like a 5 to 8 minute wait time to even get ahold of someone. Then when I do the chat moves at a rather sluggish pace.

While I realize this should go into technically a PAB segment it's not really asking for resolution as much as pointing out my experience so far.

 

[casinojack]

Well so far haven't been overly impressed with this casino payout wise.

1) Have deposited $25 on 2 different occasions now and have even taken advantage of there generous 777% bonus and the 400% with even a $75 N/D bonus after loosing. So far a no go on even getting close to completing the coupons.

2) Have like 400 some odd comp points and there's no real definition as to what I'm earning comp points for because there isn't a comp points button. So I'm going to guess there's some trick to that either I have to contact support or something to redeem those points.

3) Live chat seems rather delayed... like a 5 to 8 minute wait time to even get ahold of someone. Then when I do the chat moves at a rather sluggish pace.

While I realize this should go into technically a PAB segment it's not really asking for resolution as much as pointing out my experience so far.

I reviewed your account, and I see what is usually a good run based on feedback from players, about 6 hours of play time. If you you like I can dig deeper for you, or I am able to PM you slots that are set the highest, 97.5% and you can try your luck there.

Comp points are redeemed by live chat or calling customer service at anytime. You receive 1 comp point per 10 dollars wagered, and 100 points = 1 dollar US. You need to have deposited real money to redeem so you would qualify. You also need 500 points minimum.

Can you tell me approx time you tired live chat so i can review? I am not happy about that response time either, and I will look into it. I do test them regularly and a quick look at reports here shows no time like this, but I am only skimming them.

 

[cheetahwind]

The chat time was around 2:00 in the morning central US time.
Also what I was meaning yes I got quite a bit of play out of the 400% coupon but the 777% went like water and the N/D went just as fast. I realize playing $1.25 to $1.50 a spin does tend to make $190 and $100 go rather quickly but I suppose. If your slots were set as high as they were that they'd at least bring me up and down for a bit on the other 2 coupons too.
I'll leave it at this, when I deposit I don't expect a great win every time nor do I expect the machines to always give me a good run for my money. I was silly and made several deposits at Cherry Red before winning. I plan on doing the same at your casino, so I plan on being back. Just would like to see my money last a bit longer is all.

 

[casinojack]

next time you do, Pm me you top 3 games you like and I will make sure they set to the highest setting...

 

[skywalker]

SOMETHING IS DEFINETLY NOT RIGHT AT PLAYFAIR CASINO AND CASINO33

I have deposited at Playfair casino and casino33 numerous times and never a cashout, and I have also noticed that it is impossible to trigger the bonus rounds, and the playthrough is extremely high, so it is my opinion that something bogus is going on there.

 

[casinojack]

I have deposited at Playfair casino and casino33 numerous times and never a cashout, and I have also noticed that it is impossible to trigger the bonus rounds, and the playthrough is extremely high, so it is my opinion that something bogus is going on there.

Please pm me your login ID and I will look into it for you.

 

[Wildfire7]

next time you do, Pm me you top 3 games you like and I will make sure they set to the highest setting...

In my opinion the payout settings should not be tinkered with in such a frivolous fashion.
I certainly don't expect payout settings changed because a player at Casinomeister is unhappy, what about all those other players who are not members of forums such as this. Their money just quietly keeps getting taken, and they are probably never none the wiser.

Only the software provider should be able to alter payout percentages. Having the casino being able to alter them is wide open to abuse, because minor tinkering here and there for short periods will simply go unnoticed.

Mike

 

[lots0]

A long time ago a real smart guy told me to never believe someone that says more than once they never lie... and to never trust anyone that says, "trust me".

Along those same lines... if a casino makes a big deal about how fair or honest they are.... well, you get my point. The real honest outfits never even mention their own 'honesty' or 'integrity', as there is no question about their integrity.

Please don't misunderstand me. I know next to nothing about this casino. So I am not saying playfair casino is either dishonest or honest... I'm just saying that the name, 'playfair' puts me off...

 

[chjr1973]

In my opinion the payout settings should not be tinkered with in such a frivolous fashion.
I certainly don't expect payout settings changed because a player at Casinomeister is unhappy, what about all those other players who are not members of forums such as this. Their money just quietly keeps getting taken, and they are probably never none the wiser.

Only the software provider should be able to alter payout percentages. Having the casino being able to alter them is wide open to abuse, because minor tinkering here and there for short periods will simply go unnoticed.

Mike

I could not have said it better myself. If this is the case, this is just absolutely ridiculous behavior! Period!.. So what is being said is, if you don't bitch you get taken for a fool....

Unreal.

 

[casinojack]

This thread is a little dated but at the time I was stating a way for the players to have. all casino, landbased and online are able to adjust settings in a game.

 

[Wildfire7]

One of the reasons it is unfair to alter payout rates adhoc is the casino can carefully monitor the level of deposits coming in at any given time. If its a day when there are of lots of incoming smaller deposits they can set it higher than if they have a day where there are some large deposits.

Example setting 92% of somebodys 10k is better than setting 97% of someone elses 50. So in effect they can maximise their profits just by timing the tweaks to their advantage.

Obviously the casino is in business to make money, but with slots having a low house edge to start with, it just seems unnecessary to change the payout settings. Personally I think the only thing the casino should be allowed to alter is cosmetics, things which do not affect the game play.

Its a bit like having a credit card and not knowing what the interest rates are from one day to the next, all you have is a vague idea they are between this % and that %. Hence why my RTG deposits are currently set at my lowest % ie 0!

Mike

 

[Mavin1]

Now isn't this what myself, Silcnlayce, Amatrine, Greek and others were saying in the thread I started titled "Casino Owners/Reps and Affiliates and all Interested Players".

The kind of thing being discussed here is what spurs the thread I started and sorry Casino Jack but you danced around my questions/concerns very intentionally and yet here you are saying you can tweak a game for some players at a whim.
Thus again this cements the feelings that many of us have had for some time now that we are being decieved by many casinos, it's just that you are admitting it where others still aren't!

Transparency, honesty, fair play is all we ask for and players should be treated fairly not matter where they are geographically or monitarily.

 

[CURTSONLYLOVE10]

This thread is a little dated but at the time I was stating a way for the players to have. all casino, landbased and online are able to adjust settings in a game.

so this might explain y the first time i played at playfair on a 25ndb i hit everyy thing while playing coyotoe cash...5 scatters, 5 of the men which is top prize..4 coyotes...and money bags which gave me free spins like crazy...and made playthrough with no problem...to cashout a max of 50...well when i redeposted the 50.00 plus i dont know how much more i could not hit a thing...ok now i see...set the slots on ndb make people think that they can win... then when they deposit their money set it back...

i took the bonus when i deposited with the crazy wr...and could not hit anything...when i was in live chat to ask what bonuses they had the man cant remember his name right now...wanted to give me a 300% bonus with 33x wr i said oh no i cant seem to make wr...he said u did it with a 25ndb u can do it...something about the way he said it made me think u r right but i have not hit a thing since i started deposting my own money...

wow and to think that i praised casino 33 here in a thread when its creditablty was questioned last week in a thread...talked about how they had nothing to worry about it is a good casino and that there rep casinojack is here in the forum...wowwwwwwwww

 

[KasinoKing]

This thread is a little dated but at the time I was stating a way for the players to have.
all casino, landbased and online are able to adjust settings in a game.

Am I the only one reading this who went ?

We know RTG casinos can change their settings, but previously the general consensus was that others could not.
Jack, please can you supply some evidence that MG, Rival, Playtech, etc. operators are able to change their slots RTP.

KK

 

[casinojack]

Now isn't this what myself, Silcnlayce, Amatrine, Greek and others were saying in the thread I started titled "Casino Owners/Reps and Affiliates and all Interested Players".

The kind of thing being discussed here is what spurs the thread I started and sorry Casino Jack but you danced around my questions/concerns very intentionally and yet here you are saying you can tweak a game for some players at a whim.
Thus again this cements the feelings that many of us have had for some time now that we are being decieved by many casinos, it's just that you are admitting it where others still aren't!

Transparency, honesty, fair play is all we ask for and players should be treated fairly not matter where they are geographically or monitarily.

I have not danced around any of your questions, but if I had not made something clear let me know.

I thought I was helping you reach your goal, but now you saying I deceived you?

What is unfair if the slot is set at 91% or 95% ???

 

[casinojack]

so this might explain y the first time i played at playfair on a 25ndb i hit everyy thing while playing coyotoe cash...5 scatters, 5 of the men which is top prize..4 coyotes...and money bags which gave me free spins like crazy...and made playthrough with no problem...to cashout a max of 50...well when i redeposted the 50.00 plus i dont know how much more i could not hit a thing...ok now i see...set the slots on ndb make people think that they can win... then when they deposit their money set it back...

i took the bonus when i deposited with the crazy wr...and could not hit anything...when i was in live chat to ask what bonuses they had the man cant remember his name right now...wanted to give me a 300% bonus with 33x wr i said oh no i cant seem to make wr...he said u did it with a 25ndb u can do it...something about the way he said it made me think u r right but i have not hit a thing since i started deposting my own money...

wow and to think that i praised casino 33 here in a thread when its creditablty was questioned last week in a thread...talked about how they had nothing to worry about it is a good casino and that there rep casinojack is here in the forum...wowwwwwwwww

Even if I sat there playing with the settings each hour,(which we don't) it is setting the machine as a whole, not each players RDP.

Playing the machines for free or with money is the SAME settings. Please do not come to conclusions that are not correct.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Even if I sat there playing with the settings each hour,(which we don't) it is setting the machine as a whole, not each players RDP.

Playing the machines for free or with money is the SAME settings. Please do not come to conclusions that are not correct.

Exactly which setting is changed as a whole?

 

[casinojack]

Exactly which setting is changed as a whole?

The machines RTP (example 95%)

 

[vegetagirl2008]

The machines RTP (example 95%)

So the Return To Player setting is adjusted to whose benefit the casino or the player? And why are these adjusted and are these true percentiles?

 

[casinojack]

So the Return To Player setting is adjusted to whose benefit the casino or the player? And why are these adjusted and are these true percentiles?

The lower the % the higher the house edge. RTG's lowest setting is well above what is legal in 90% of the landbased casinos.

Not sure on second question but if an operator would want a very loose slot, would probably set it as high as it can go.

as far as true, I was always under the impression they were based on 1 million spins, but as dogboy brought up earlier I was incorrect.

 

[CURTSONLYLOVE10]

Even if I sat there playing with the settings each hour,(which we don't) it is setting the machine as a whole, not each players RDP.

Playing the machines for free or with money is the SAME settings. Please do not come to conclusions that are not correct.

you say what u want...u were not there when i played...i know for sure that i hit everthing imangable on the 25.00 free chip...i deposited many times after wards and came to the conslusion that i could not win when i deposited my own money...i could not hit anything hear me anything....thats when i stopped depositing....

granted cs is wonderful, and i got payed the next day for the 25ndb i won off of...but as i repeat nothing nothing nothing when i deposited..i even stopped takeing the bonuses thinking that maybe just the wr is too high and i could win something if i just take no bonues...wrong

 

[casinojack]

you say what u want...u were not there when i played...i know for sure that i hit everthing imangable on the 25.00 free chip...i deposited many times after wards and came to the conslusion that i could not win when i deposited my own money...i could not hit anything hear me anything....thats when i stopped depositing....

granted cs is wonderful, and i got payed the next day for the 25ndb i won off of...but as i repeat nothing nothing nothing when i deposited..i even stopped takeing the bonuses thinking that maybe just the wr is too high and i could win something if i just take no bonues...wrong

Sorry you had a bad run, and I can see where one MIGHT think that, but I can verify RTG does not have this capability.

 

[CURTSONLYLOVE10]

Sorry you had a bad run, and I can see where one MIGHT think that, but I can verify RTG does not have this capability.

check my history and pm me with what u think make sure u check the history of the free chip against my deposits..

also check for casino 33

 

[casinojack]

check my history and pm me with what u think make sure u check the history of the free chip against my deposits..

also check for casino 33

I will be more than happy to. Can you PM me your login ID ? I will do this Monday as I am home today.

 

[deucebag]

Am I the only one reading this who went ?

We know RTG casinos can change their settings, but previously the general consensus was that others could not.
Jack, please can you supply some evidence that MG, Rival, Playtech, etc. operators are able to change their slots RTP.

KK

I am fairly sure that most online casino softwares don't allow the operators to adjust the RTP. A Rival operator recently stated in the forum that they can't (too lazy to search it up), MG casinos seem to have the same payback at all casinos (average payouts are published), Wagerworks has RTP on their paytables and it's the same everywhere.

RTG is one of the exceptions.

 

[casinojack]

I am fairly sure that most online casino softwares don't allow the operators to adjust the RTP. A Rival operator recently stated in the forum that they can't (too lazy to search it up), MG casinos seem to have the same payback at all casinos (average payouts are published), Wagerworks has RTP on their paytables and it's the same everywhere.

RTG is one of the exceptions.

Being I am currently emplyed byt a RTg shop, I will only speak for RTG.

But in my previous post I was inferring the land based. I will allow other OP's to speak for their programs, as things change often in this industry.

Have a great weekend all, I am going to meet someone for lunch but will be on later.

 

[4 of a kind]

next time you do, Pm me you top 3 games you like and I will make sure they set to the highest setting...

Now this is ridicules! Are you kidding me with this statement?


Can you tweak the video poker for me? I'll pm you my favorite 3 games and deposit 2k if you put them on max?

 

[4 of a kind]

This thread is a little dated but at the time I was stating a way for the players to have. all casino, landbased and online are able to adjust settings in a game.

Land based casino's have to send a technician to each individual slot machine to change the chip when they want to change RTP. They can't just flip a switch or enter into a computer as it appears by your statements that you can.

 

[casinojack]

Now this is ridicules! Are you kidding me with this statement?


Can you tweak the video poker for me? I'll pm you my favorite 3 games and deposit 2k if you put them on max?

In another forum we had posted the actual RTP of the machines, and one of the users had asked me to do something similar here. I did NOT being I didn't want to be seen as marketing for players here.

If you notice some of the video poker is already set to highest settings we can set.

Most of our machines are set to the highest setting as it is.

 

[casinojack]

Land based casino's have to send a technician to each individual slot machine to change the chip when they want to change RTP. They can't just flip a switch or enter into a computer as it appears by your statements that you can.

Used to be, and is the normal, but machines with jackpots, I know of several where this is maintained by a central server. I have to go now, for real, as I am running late. Ill be on in a few hours.