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People should stop playing at casinos

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Bonus Issues' started by Lord_Have_Mercy, Jun 12, 2006.

    Jun 12, 2006
  1. Lord_Have_Mercy

    Lord_Have_Mercy Quit Gambling

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    That makes you wager your comp points in order to cash them out. These casinos have alot of nerves to make one do this.
     
  2. Jun 12, 2006
  3. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

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    which casino does that?
     
  4. Jun 12, 2006
  5. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Who do you think!

    Captain Crooks, Zodiac and co.

    Strangely, also 32red, but only 4x, not 30x on slots and 300x on blackjack.
     
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  6. Jun 12, 2006
  7. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

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    I was under the impression that the majority of online casinos have wagering requirements on their comp points. I've certainly seen a lot of them that do.

    I know firsthand that Bodog has no such restrictions.
     
  8. Jun 13, 2006
  9. Chatmaster

    Chatmaster Dormant account

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    Do you mean that they have wager requirements on their loyalty points? That is ridiculous! :mad:
     
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  10. Jun 13, 2006
  11. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah me too. Crypto's aside. But all MG ones have a WR don't they?
     
  12. Jun 13, 2006
  13. tencardcharlie

    tencardcharlie Dormant account

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    Thats pretty wierd. I mean, you've already done a lot of wagering to gain the comps in the first place. Why not decrease the earning rate for the points instead, if they are to generous?
     
  14. Jun 13, 2006
  15. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    No, I did not know of any MG that had a WR on comp points until I read in this thread that 32Red has.
     
  16. Jun 13, 2006
  17. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    I believe some of the RTG sites do also.
     
  18. Jun 14, 2006
  19. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Neat trap

    It's a neat trap for the rogues to use too (in a denial of cash-out kind of way). The terms for wagering or not of comps are vague. Usually, the terms relate to "free money" needing to be wagered, but do not specifically define whether comps fall into this category.
    32Red specifically states that the 4x WR applies to the Red Rubies (comps), and as they are for Club Rouge members this may well be waived except in the worst cases of, say, saving up tens of thousands of them and not playing a single bet. There appear to be no game restrictions on this 4x either.
    Casino Rewards are the worst, comps are treated just like bonuses, and enter the EZBonus system where they need to be wagered 30x on slots. Effectively, the comps are pretty worthless in their own right, they are just for a bit of extra play and the hope of a big hit.
     
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  20. Jun 14, 2006
  21. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    This WR attached to comp points has always stuck in my craw. You wager a gazillion dollars at a casino. You earn (maybe) $10 worth of comps. Then you also have to wager that $10 you earned another gazillion times on slots.... At least I'm not the only one that thinks that's ridiculous.
     
  22. Jun 14, 2006
  23. satori

    satori Dormant account

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    Not all MG casinos have wagering requirements on their loyalty points. I have tried many times to find the information in Terms & Conditions, or on the pages describing each casino (or casino groups) loyalty program but wasn't successful. There are a few that I know about (maybe someone can create a list?)... Fortune Lounge does have requirements (not sure what the amount is), Spin Palace does not (so I assume their sister casinos also do not). Those are the only ones I know (though I play at many others.. just never had more than $10 to cash out so didn't really care).
     
  24. Jun 14, 2006
  25. lydia

    lydia Dormant account

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    I play a lot at Trident Lounge - it's my favorite. Last month I recieved e-mail that I have 48 loyalty points but I have to wager - there was a long list of W/R, the 'cheapest' was slots W/R, so of course I busted out in no time. I was very dissapointed with Trident Lounge - under 'loaylty bonus' I understand something else...:cool: For example, Inetbet gives me from time to time a small 'manager bonus' - $7 but no strings attached. The same does CON and Harrods. It seems to me the casinos are getting so greedy that makes no fun any more. It's ridiculous to have to work for a 'loaylty points' :rolleyes:
     
  26. Jun 14, 2006
  27. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

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    I do not see what is wrong with putting a WR on comp points. It is not like you got the comp points for making a deposit. You got them for your playthrough. So the better a casinos win percentage is for the player the more comp points you will accumulate. If a game has 99% payback than when you add the comp points in, it is actually a negative expectation game for the casino, so if the casino puts requirements of that money, it is theirs to do so.
     
  28. Jun 14, 2006
  29. Lord_Have_Mercy

    Lord_Have_Mercy Quit Gambling

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    It's a neat trap for the rogues to use too (in a denial of cash-out kind of way). The terms for wagering or not of comps are vague. Usually, the terms relate to "free money" needing to be wagered, but do not specifically define whether comps fall into this category.
    32Red specifically states that the 4x WR applies to the Red Rubies (comps), and as they are for Club Rouge members this may well be waived except in the worst cases of, say, saving up tens of thousands of them and not playing a single bet. There appear to be no game restrictions on this 4x either.
    I AGREE 100% I had over $500 in comp points and lost time because I had to wager them on some silly slot game. I will not fug with Casino Rewards again. I swear to GOD I will not!!!
     
  30. Jun 14, 2006
  31. Lord_Have_Mercy

    Lord_Have_Mercy Quit Gambling

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    Shut the Hail up! If I go to a GD real casino I can use my comp points for cashback, free food, free hotel, free whatever with no strings attach. Either act like a real casino or get the fug out the business. I am sick of you scumbags
     
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  32. Jun 14, 2006
  33. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

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    I happen to disagree too, but this is not the way to express your opinion.
     
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  34. Jun 14, 2006
  35. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Your arithmetic is off. The common rate for comp points is 0.1%, so the comps only increase the payout from 99% to 99.1%. Of course, ultimately it is the casino's business decision to impose WR on comps, but the players have already wagered the amount of comps 1000 times, so making them wager it 10 more times is not going to provide much additional profit to the casino, but it can certainly irritate players.

    Some RTGs award comp points as phantom bonus with WR, this is really the worst, if the player has enough money in his account, then the value of this bonus is 0.
     
  36. Jun 14, 2006
  37. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

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    99% + .1% < 100%
     

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