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khanhdom

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so the check cleared? well I don't see what hte problem is anymore if she requested a check withdrawal
 

tombomb

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MSWILS411 said:
When she made the deposit her name was on the account and the check was good. Now this is where i am shocked, She requsted a withdrawl by check by courier not only are they proccessing it but the casino flushed it for her. My theory is the company that processes that casinos payout checks will interveine. Any opinions on this? The fact that they flushed it and it says work in progress does that mean anything?
Work in progress means they are working to find any way possible to screw you out of your money.Sounds like they have one this time.I have to laugh when they ask for scanned documents "to protect the player".How does that protect the player?They really mean if the name,address,ID dont match grab your ankles.they dont care if someone fraudulently deposits and loses.Irt doesnt cost them anything unless they payout.
 

MSWILS411

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silkprint said:
I am still wondering why she can't just put the money in the bank if what Lord have mercy said is right on . Whose money was it that was sitting in the bank account ? You see my point .
You can't expect a casino to front you money to play with a then split with you if you win or take the loss if you lose. It just doesn't work that way and to hope it will 'slide' through without them knowing just isn't right . Obviously noone informed the casino which was suggested in one of the first posts so already it would look bad even if what you are saying is totally on the up and up .

THATS WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN. IF ANYONE HERE HAS A BANK ACCOUNT WITH NAVY FEDERAL CREDIT UNION OR IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CALL AND ASK THEM THIS. YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING IS CORRECT. SHE CANNOT GO PUT THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT BECAUSE HE CLOSED THE ACCOUNT. AND FROM WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME YES SHE CAN GO OPEN A ACCOUNT OF HER OWN THERE BUT IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME ACCOUNT NUMBER ONCE A ACCOUNT IS CLOSED THAT ACCOUNT NUMBER CANNOT BE REISSUED. IF YOU READ MY FIRST POST I EXPLAINED HOW IT ALL HAPPENED. I HAVE TOLD HER SHE MORE LIKLEY THAN NOT WILL HAVE ALL THE WINNINGS VOIDED. SHE DID GO PURCHASE A MONEY ORDER TO OVERNIGHT EXPRESS IT TO THEM. I GUESS WE WILL SEE..THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS SORRY FOR THE CAPS KEYBOARD IS STUCK
 

silkprint

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No reason to get upset .
You first said he simply took her name off the account and then later said he withdrew all the money and now say he closed the account .
You asked for input .
Like I said hopefully someone with ecash experience will respond.
 

MSWILS411

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NO WAIT

I WAS NOT GETTING UPSET THATS WHY I SAID SORRY FOR THE CAPS. DID NOT MEAN TO SOUND RUDE. I REALIZED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IN MY FIRST POST I GUESS I WAS NOT THAT CLEAR. I SAID THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
 

winbig

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MSWILS411 said:
THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

That'd be an interesting court battle if they decided not to pay her because of this.

ie: She could try suing him for damages as a result of him closing that account....her winnings :D

Of course it'd only hold up in court if they had something in writing saying such a thing.
 

chuchu59

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MSWILS411 said:
I WAS NOT GETTING UPSET THATS WHY I SAID SORRY FOR THE CAPS. DID NOT MEAN TO SOUND RUDE. I REALIZED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IN MY FIRST POST I GUESS I WAS NOT THAT CLEAR. I SAID THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.


You werent rude at all. No worries on that. However, I am a little confused. Do you mean that when your friend deposited via echeck, she hadnt transferred the money to the account yet. If so, we cannot basically say that the check was good. You also mentioned that she had not played before. Do you mean for this specific casino only or that she is totally new to online gambling? If it's the former, there may be some hope yet if she can prove that her checks deposited at other casinos were always good. Otherwise, it will be difficult to get winnings on a bounced check. Good luck, anyway.
 

MSWILS411

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NO IT WAS

NO SHE WAS NOT MAKING A TRANSFER TO THAT ACCOUNT . IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT.. AND NO SHE IS NEW TO ONLINE GAMBLING. THATS WHY I BELIVE EVEN SENDING THAT MONEY ORDER IS NT GONNA HELP HER ,
 

winbig

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MSWILS411 said:
NO SHE WAS NOT MAKING A TRANSFER TO THAT ACCOUNT . IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT.. AND NO SHE IS NEW TO ONLINE GAMBLING. THATS WHY I BELIVE EVEN SENDING THAT MONEY ORDER IS NT GONNA HELP HER ,

IMHO I think that if she can prove the account was open and had the funds available to cover the deposit when it was made, she shouldn't have any problems.
 

chuchu59

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winbig said:
IMHO I think that if she can prove the account was open and had the funds available to cover the deposit when it was made, she shouldn't have any problems.


Ditto. This seems to be an honest mistake and there should be no problems with most MG casinos. However, if its one of those nasty playtech or RTG, then.......
 

pacers31

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Guys, the casino doesn't care about any of these details. All they are concerned with is whether the debit goes through when presented for payment. If she doesn't get her ex to reopen this account very quickly, the debited item will go through and be returned as an NSF item! All this stuff about her being a nice person doesn't matter. She better make nice with the ex husband long enough to get the cash in the account or she can kiss it goodbye. I wish I could give you a warmer and fuzzier version of this, but it is business pure and simple. Like I said previously, if this casino is willing to payout on NSF checks, I'm going to play there all day. Get my check ready casino X, I have lots of blank checks!! Not that many of them are any good though LOL!!! Character doesn't matter, only $$$$$$$ to the casinos
 

winbig

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pacers31 said:
Guys, the casino doesn't care about any of these details. All they are concerned with is whether the debit goes through when presented for payment. If she doesn't get her ex to reopen this account very quickly, the debited item will go through and be returned as an NSF item! All this stuff about her being a nice person doesn't matter. She better make nice with the ex husband long enough to get the cash in the account or she can kiss it goodbye. I wish I could give you a warmer and fuzzier version of this, but it is business pure and simple. Like I said previously, if this casino is willing to payout on NSF checks, I'm going to play there all day. Get my check ready casino X, I have lots of blank checks!! Not that many of them are any good though LOL!!! Character doesn't matter, only $$$$$$$ to the casinos



Again, if she can prove the account was open when the deposit was made, and had funds in it for the check to clear, the casino doesn't have a leg to stand on if they don't want to pay. Also I'm sure she can get a letter from the bank stating it was not her that closed the account, but her husband.
 

jenn1381

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Casino's don't typically care about all the little details.. Who did what and when and why. All they'll see is a NSF, and a pending large payout from the same person. I wish I could say I have some faith in the Casino that they'll do the right thing, but haven't we all been around long enough to know that this RARELY happens? Casino operators are exactly like the rest of us, all they see is the mighty dollar.

Very interested to see how this pans out. Hoping for the best for your friend, but still living in the land of knowing what casinos/people are like. If nothing else, the husband would get my foot up his ass for that one. Unreal that someone can close an account with 2 names on it. I have a buisness account with my buisness partner and we tried to close it not too long ago - she went in alone - nope, can't do that without my signiture. As annoying as it was, good on the bank. That's the way it should be with NO exceptions. Otherwise, in a nasty divorce, people will be stealing from one another left and right. Like I said.. people are generally all about the mighty dollar.. oh, and revenge.

Good luck to you... now that the weekend is over, the casino should have something to say. Let us know how it all pans out.
 

mitch

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silkprint said:
This is an interesting thread and I will be curious to see what happens.

Don't hold your breath!

The chances of this player getting her $20k are almost nil.

Some members have said that if she could prove she had the funds at the moment she wrote the cheque then she should be paid.

Don't think so!

Eg Write a cheque, get hubby to withdraw all the money and close the account, plead innocence to the Casino.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but how is the Casino to know?

A casino I play at has recently removed my 25K limit. I could theoretically pull that sort of scam and go for a 100K plus win with no risk if I lost.

I am afraid there is too much at stake for Casinos for them to pay winnings on bad cheques.

Mitch
 

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Me? I'm for the honest approach ...

Contact the casino and explain the situation to them. Send the money order that she's gotten (to replace the bad cheque) to the casino. Get in writing (email would do) an agreement that the casino will hold the $20,000 payout until they receive the money order and cash it. Once they receive the money order, the player will be paid the $20,000.

Everybody gets what they should and everything's above board. :thumbsup:
 

jenn1381

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Ok, seriously.. let's look at this from the casino's perspective.

Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying. I am NOT saying that's what's happened here, I feel for this woman, big time. However you have to logically look at it from both sides. I hope she gets paid, but unless she can get that account re-opened and get the money in there before it bounces, it's unlikely. And I really can't blame the casino for not paying her.
 

chuchu59

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I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.
 

silcnlayc

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Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying.
Interestingly very true regardless of any excuses. Why did she not know the account was closed? It doesn't happen overnight.
IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT..
Unreal that someone can close an account with 2 names on it. I have a buisness account with my buisness partner and we tried to close it not too long ago - she went in alone - nope, can't do that without my signiture
You can close an account if you're the primary (First Name on account with one signor required) but cannot close an account if you are the secondary on the account, but you CAN have your name removed and all responsiblity pertaining to the account.
 

moonchica

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MSWILS411 said:
Ok I am not gonna say names because it may make it worse. A few nights ago i wona good bit of money as posted in the screen shots. i called my friend and so she logged into her account and decided to pla as we were talking on the phone . She also won and way more than i did, problem is she deposited by echeck 200.00. okay so the next day she decids to do a withdrawl by ach bank transfer. She called her bank because she has 2 accounts there and wanted to transfer some money. Her husband has taken her off the bank account. They had a agreement to leave that one open until the divorce was finale. Why i have no clue other thanhe was getting the housing allowance allotment sent there cause hes military and until the divorce is finale that has to go to her. My question is, She won over 20,000.00 but when that echeck does not clear she will not get a dime of it is what I'm thinking. Any suggestions, Someone said maybe she should try to make a deal with the casino , I'm coming here where I know people will be honest. Thanks you guys any suggestions would be so appreciated

MS: You have a $23K screen shot in the winning screenies thread. If your friend won "way more" than you -- how much are we talking?
 

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chuchu59 said:
I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Good point. Although I think this player will be lucky to get anything. A lot of casinos try to find bogus reasons to deny a big payout, here they have been gifted a real reason unfortunately.
 

jenn1381

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chuchu59 said:
I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Perhaps, but how many casinos do you know that have logical and rational thought when it comes to paying a large winner? Most if not all will search for ANY reason at all not to pay. This casino is lucky, a great reason has fallen right into their laps. Whether it's wrong or right, it's the chance we all take while playing online.
 

Linus

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mitch said:
Don't hold your breath!

The chances of this player getting her $20k are almost nil.

Some members have said that if she could prove she had the funds at the moment she wrote the cheque then she should be paid.

Don't think so!

Eg Write a cheque, get hubby to withdraw all the money and close the account, plead innocence to the Casino.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but how is the Casino to know?

A casino I play at has recently removed my 25K limit. I could theoretically pull that sort of scam and go for a 100K plus win with no risk if I lost.

I am afraid there is too much at stake for Casinos for them to pay winnings on bad cheques.

Mitch

Mitch, I'm sure you're 100% correct. There's no way a casino voluntarily sets itself up to be freerolled.

Here's what I don't understand, though - what's to stop a player from depositing, and then waiting until after he won or lost, before closing - or not closing - the acct?

I mean, look at what happened here. She supposedly deposited, won, and then closed - or her husband closed - the acct. If she was scamming, she would have closed the acct after losing, not after having won.

What kind of scammer closes an acct after having won?
 

Simmo!

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I'm not sure how relevant this is, but flip this on it's head.

You put an item on Ebay which is worth $25,000. You forget to set a reserve and a bidder comes in with $100 and wins it. But then sends you a check that bounces. What do you do? I know what you *should* do. But what do you actually do?

This is different though in the respect that, unfortunately, there are a number of players out there who will try and defraud casinos and this means everyone is under suspicion, particularly if they are a first time player. Until these players stop acting like tw*ts, that's what we'll have to live with if we unwittingly show similar tendencies :(

On a more constructive note, why don't you ask the casino that if you can provide proof that the account was closed by your ex without your signature , and then get the bank to write you a letter, that would be my approach.

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pacers31

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Unless she gets the account reopened and the transaction clears, stick a fork in her, unfortunately, she is done!!! Not saying this is what happened, but what if she deposited without funds being available, or knowing that the account had been previously closed?? And now lo and behold, SHE WINS!!! Of course she looks for any way to get the winnings. Just speculating about how the casino will see it. TELL YOUR FRIEND TO GET THE ACCOUNT REOPENED AND FUNDED IMMEDIATELY OR LOSE!!!
 
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