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Daffy

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Uh-oh

According to their bios...Walt Frasier's nick was "Clyde"...Clyde Drexler(POR/HOU) was "the glide".

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ESPN... I miss you...

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I identified with DeBusschere's commando style...loved watching those Knicks.

I think that the Knicks (in the early '70s) may have been one of the deepest teams in the history of the NBA. Specifically the '73 line-up that they rolled-out. Wow, loaded. The starting 5 and the 6th-man, are the best I've yet to see. Check it out:

- Earl Monroe
- Walt Frazier
- Dave Debusschere
- Bill Bradley
- Willis Reed
- Jerry Lucas

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Ouch!!! And that '73 team needed to be loaded, because that '73 Lakers squad was excellent as well (and defeated them the year before in the '72 Finals).

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OMG... Mr. Underhand Free Throw... didn't know where he'd gone off to. Also a great player...

Yes, the underhanded free throw. He wanted to teach Shaq how to do it, but Shaq had refused because he thought/thinks it'll make him look silly (i.e. losing that "street-cred"). :what: Geez, I thought hovering around 50% at the charity stripe makes him look silly enough.

Rick Barry is very colorful, egotistical, but even he acknowledges it. Great player, and like how Seaver willed the Miracle Mets team, Barry did the same for that long forgotten about Golden State Warriors team ('74-75) that won it all, beating a damn-good Bullets team. If you ever get a chance, check out his interviews at KNBR680 (radio) under "Instant Replay", where he has tons of memorable interviews with all the legends. Trust me, great stuff. :thumbsup: Almost on par with the Casinomeisters webcasts. :D


Spearmaster

It's been 5-years now. I miss real TV!!!


You're telling me... I last lived in the US in 1988... thank goodness for CNN and ESPN...

Wow, I'm jealous. I don't get ESPN, I only get MBC Sports from Korea, but I do get Star Sports that comes from China (I think maybe you'll know what I'm talking about on that one). I used to get CNN here, back from '01-02, and they changed it to the BBC. Which is fine, but when they did have CNN, I could always look forward to "This Week In The NBA". Now (cough-cough)... nada.



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Daffy said:
According to their bios...Walt Frasier's nick was "Clyde"...Clyde Drexler(POR/HOU) was "the glide".
Actually, that's right. Clyde the Glide was Drexler. Walt was "Clyde" but I was sure he was often referred to as "Clyde the Glide" as well... anyhow, believe the bios, after 30 years I'm getting a bit rusty too :)
 

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That's okay...lol...I thought about "the glide" most of the day until I was forced to research it.

You also stirred my interest with that Billy Buckner trivia...

They did an ESPN special (sorry JS) last year on famous "goats"...ESPN felt the bullpen caused the 86' debacle...

Here's the Baseball Almanac write-up of Game 6 and Game 7...



Like his struggling counterpart, Clemens was also looking for his first win and left Game 6 with a 3-2 lead. However his teammates were unable to finish the job, leaving fourteen men on base and committing one of the most devastating errors in World Series history. After Henderson led off the top of the tenth with a home run against Rick Aguilera breaking the 3-3 tie, Boston increased its lead to 5-3 as Wade Boggs doubled and Marty Barrett singled him home. Sox reliever Calvin Schiraldi (who yielded the tying run in the eighth) retired the Mets' first two batters in the tenth (Wally Backman and Keith Hernandez), moving Boston to within one out of the World Series title. Carter prolonged the anxious fans tension with a clutch single and Kevin Mitchell followed with another base hit. Schiraldi regained his composure and managed a no-ball, two-strike count on New York's Ray Knight, but the third baseman made contact on his next offering, scoring Carter and moving Mitchell to third. Anticipating a disaster, Bob Stanley was called in and matched Mookie Wilson in a ten-pitch duel that left fans on both sides hanging on the edge of their seats. Wilson fouled off a 2-1 pitch, then sent two more out of bounds. As the pressure continued to build, Stanley's seventh pitch went wild, and Mitchell raced home with the game-tying run with Knight advancing to second. With a full count of 3-2, Wilson finally connected fair on the tenth toss sending a short grounder along the baseline toward first baseman Bill Buckner. A collective sigh of relief fell over the Boston crowd in anticipation of a textbook out and a chance at redemption in the eleventh-inning. However their jubilation quickly turned to shock and disbelief as the ball somehow slipped under Buckner's glove and continued to roll. As Knight bolted home for the 6-5 victory, the home crowd at Shea Stadium erupted in celebration. The Mets were still alive with or without, a little help from "The Babe". For Buckner, the costly error became a defining moment and ultimately overshadowed the rest of his career.

While the Sox had found themselves in this predicament before (one strike away from elimination in the American League Series), many fans had already abandoned the team and Buckner was crucified in the papers for making the critical mistake. Luckily they would have twenty-four hours to regain their senses as Game 7 was postponed a day due to rain. Three time winner Bruce Hurst returned for the final outing and looked to make it right again with a little help from his friends. Dwight Evans and Rich Gedman both belted back-to-back homers and Boggs delivered an RBI single for a 3-0 lead going into the sixth. New York tied the game on Hernandez's bases-loaded single that scored Lee Mazzilli and Wilson while Carter's tee-shot to right brought Wally Backman home.

Schiraldi was sent in as relief in the seventh, but Knight tagged him again (as he had in Game 6) with a tie-breaking homer. Before it was over, Rafael Santana nailed a RBI single and Hernandez added a sac-fly for the 6-3 lead. Sid Fernandez had shut out Boston through the middle innings, but Roger McDowell replaced him and surrendered a two run double off Evans in the eighth. Jesse Orosco entered as the third reliever and managed to coax Gedman to line out, Henderson to strike out and Don Baylor to bounce out. As the Mets took their turn in the bottom of the eighth, Darryl Strawberry sent one into the seats for the 8-5 advantage and it was all over from there. Orosco returned in the ninth to finish the job and struck out the side (1-2-3) crowning the National League reps as World Champions. The heartbreaking loss in Game 6 still remains as the second darkest day in Beantown sports history. The first of course was a "certain trade" that haunted the Boston faithful for over eight decades.


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Unfairly put on him though. Why?

a) He shouldn't have been in the game, he was injured at the time.

b) Others were making critical mistakes, as well.

I thought he may be considered a "loser", but that's not really fair. Bucker was a very talented football player as well, and a very good 1st sacker for quite a number of years.

I think that over the past 20 years or so, the two most overrated plays (in baseball history) are that one, and most definitely the Bonds late throw to get Sid Bream out at home-plate in '92 (versus the Braves). His arm may not be as talented as his other tools, but his arm is very accurate. They don't seem to mention that the infield made a couple errors leading-up to the Sid Bream play. It'll be 100 years from now, and people will still remember those plays. :rolleyes:


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The "sorry JS" was for the ESPN reference...cause you can't get it in Korea...not the content.:)

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"All-Time" MLB squad...

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The "sorry JS" was for the ESPN reference...cause you can't get it in Korea...not the content.

(lol) Whoops. :D

Funny thing, the last time I saw ESPN was in '02. I was staying at "Circus-Circus" and I went on an awful run at the tables, my first night there. Since I was travelling with some friends (taking some time off work out here in Korea), I thought after getting hammered, to just kick-back and relax in front of the set. I must have watched 12-hours straight (I think it was ESPN II) of bios on MLB stars. Great stuff.

Funny about that week there. I had the best time catching-up on TV, and going with some friends to play BJ all night at the $1 min. tables (free drinks and all). Great stuff. Off of $20, I took it up to a couple hundred without betting over $4.


Hey, dUck, since this thread has turned into a sports hang-out, why Duke Snyder? And since I got you here, what's your "All-Time" MLB team? And if you have time Spearmaster, I'd love to hear yours as well? I imagine you two will be up to the task.


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Hello fellow forum members,


While I found that my list of most helpful/knowledgeable members is sound, there was a huge oversight on my part by not including BingoT. So, it's not complete...

Okay, so I never play BINGO (other than with my students), therefore I never go into that section of the forum. But after taking a look at all of BingoT's efforts, I'm kicking myself for not mentioning him.

What I do know, is that he's from Hartford, Conneticut. He's in nursing and helps sick children, and he runs bus trips to the casinos. He also does many fundraisers for sick children (information taken from his profile). And he does tons of work in the Bingo section here at Casinomeister. So, never mind all the work he puts forth here, he sounds like a super-individual. My hats off to you for all the work you do. :thumbsup:


Thank you.


Sidenote: (I was once a Whalers fan... Blaine Stoughton, Mike Liut, and of course, Ron Francis :oops: ).



Now back to baseball... :D


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Hi John I want to Thank You for that compliment.

Hi John I want to Thank You for that compliment.
I do my best to bring joy in many kids and adults in this World and I know and like I say in my life I would love to be like a Jerry Lewis What a great guy he is. I love him for what he does.
This year I have done some much my Goal was to help 75 kids well I helped 153 Thanks to all.
People today don't know what people that have disabilities feel and do in today's life.and like I say I guess I was put here to do a good deed I guess in my past life I was a bad person lol so that's why I do this stuff.
I say take all the normal kids and bring them for a day to a Children's Hospital and let them see what the real life is all about. When my kids are off from school they come to work with me. My 16 year old is starting to feel it in his heart. & they love every minute of the time they spend reading or playing with the kids I take care of.
John again I want to Thank You you made me feel special today
Your friend
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Ps and a Big Thank You to all here at (Bryan's) Casinomeister's Forum
And please if I get out of hand please tell me off

And John The Whalers may come back to Hartford too Big talks going on with this
 

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All time MLB team? I bet you two will have a much better go of it than I will, since I haven't been able to follow baseball regularly for over 20 years :) I honestly would not be able to compare any player since then to those before the 80s... so rather than embarrass myself I'm going to beg off on this one :)

Buckner was a convenient goat - even I was watching that moment live on TV and I can tell you that disbelief stretched way beyond the stadium... my jaw just dropped...

Yes, the bullpen deserves a lot of flak too. But honestly, in the heat of the situation, I can understand a wild pitch - but a weak grounder getting by Buckner - even worse, between his legs?

Buckner didn't deserve that - nor did the Red Sox. But ultimately it was a ball that any player of any stature should have at least blocked, let alone a Golden Glove. This single mistake was easy to focus on because it was practically unforgiveable.

Yes, he was getting old. Yes, he was injured and really didn't belong on the field. But it should still never have come down to letting the ball roll between your legs.
 

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Favorite, or favourite, that is the question?

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Yes, he was getting old. Yes, he was injured and really didn't belong on the field. But it should still never have come down to letting the ball roll between your legs.

It's almost always the skipper who gets blamed in the end, and I never really heard anyone say that John McNamara made some costly mistakes. Ultimately, it will come down to the players (and his performance), but again, the bench boss was a bit off on his judgement that day. :oops:


Oh well, dead issue, that subject will likely be brought-up tonight at some bar in Boston, and it'll get heated, and in the end will result in a fist-fight. And it'll happen tomorrow, and the day after...

Great points Spearmaster. :thumbsup:


For the record, how about a short-list of your favorite players? Doesn't have to be the greatest.


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It's almost always the skipper who gets blamed in the end, and I never really heard anyone say that John McNamara made some costly mistakes. Ultimately, it will come down to the players (and his performance), but again, the bench boss was a bit off on his judgement that day.
McNamara may have made mistakes - kind of like Pete Carroll did at the Rose Bowl, like wasting his last timeout, or trying to do the Trojan thing and ramming the ball up the middle on 4th and 2... but ultimately you can't blame him for those mistakes. It's the mistakes on the field which magnify the bad calls by the coach. And the Trojans made too many.

What would be MUCH worse is to get saddled with a big-headed idiot who thinks that macho is the way to the pennant. Not only that, the Mets were weighed down by Bobby Valentine for WAY too many years.

Ultimately, Buckner committed a Little League blooper. The very first thing you are taught is to make sure the ball does not get between your legs. That is probably a mistake he never ever made up until that one moment in time.

Favorite players? You know my one favorite player... LOL... another one I felt sorry for was Charlie Hustle, though he probably deserved what he got. His teammate Johnny Bench was one hell of a catcher.

Willie Mays, the Bambino and Hank Aaron would be on my list because I love long-ball hitters... can't say Mark McGwire was on my list because I hardly ever saw him play ball though I went to USC at the same time he did...

Joltin' Joe and Mickey Mantle were before my time but they'd be on my shortlist...

Cal Ripken Jr for sheer guts and determination, though I never thought much of him as a player, maybe because I never paid much attention to the Orioles...

Clemens is on that list, as is Nolan Ryan, I guess in choosing Seaver as the player to follow I kind of paid much more attention to pitchers...

... and as you can see there is a dearth of infielders :)
 

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More Buckner

Although many factors can be cited as to why the Red Sox lost the 1986 World Series, Buckner's error remains the popular focus of the blame. Moreover, the mistake was added to the lore of the Curse of the Bambino.
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According to a popular Bostonian joke, the distraught Buckner threw himself in front of a locomotive in grief after his fielding error. The train passed between his legs.
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"The Bill Buckner Bridge" is also a nickname given to the Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge(in Boston) on which cars pass through the bridge's Y-shaped "legs".
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Buckner has denied any lingering bitterness over the 1986 Series fiasco, pointing out that he was a key member of the team that year. He hit 8 home runs that September, with 22 RBIs and a .340 average, missing only three games. He drove in over 100 runs for the season.
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Buckner's willingness to play injured may have contributed to his famous 1986 World Series error.
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Am working on my all-time team...another good idea JS !!!

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My Team

Catcher-Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez, Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra

1st Base-Lou Gehrig, Eddie Murray, Harmon Killebrew

2nd Base-Rod Carew, Joe Morgan, Jackie Robinson

Shortstop-Cal Ripkin, Ozzie Smith, Derek Jeter

3rd Base-George Brett, Alex Rodriguez, Pete Rose

LF-Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski

CF-Joe Dimaggio, Willie Mays, Mickie Mantle

RF-Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Roberto Clemente

Pitchers-Steve Carlton, Whitey Ford, Juan Marichel, Nolan Ryan, Sandy Kofax

Relievers-Dennis Eckersley, Mariano Rivera, Rich "Goose" Gossage

Managers-Sparky Anderson, Casey Stengel, Earl Weaver

Ballpark-Fenway


***First listed on position players is my starter. (based on their best years and overall career)

***I picked a staff for the pitchers and managers...if it's one game...Ford would start...Eckersley would close...Anderson would manage.

No...the Duke didn't make my all-time. He was my hero until age 10 or so...

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Cricket???

Isn't that the game where everyone wears the same uniform, uses those flat little paddles, and the score ends up 200 to 199??? I agree...cricket is boring.

I was wondering KK...did you happen to catch the Rose Bowl...my Texas Longhorns spanked those nasty USC Trojans to win the National Championship...lol. (poor Spear)

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Isn't baseball like our rounders we used to play at school KK?

But what gets me is american football!!!! rugby players with padding!!!!!

I would love to see a top american football team play (without their helmets and shoulder padding) against
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The game of "ball"...

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Isn't baseball like our rounders we used to play at school KK?

You're quite right Mr. Hinckley. ;)


Excerpt taken from "TRIPMYEGO.com"...


* Baseball didn't just come out of left field. The game evolved from an old English game called rounders. Like today's baseball, rounders was played with a bat and ball on a field with bases. But to get a player out in rounders, a fielder had to hit the runner with the ball. Ouch! Players called this practice soaking or plugging. American Colonists played rounders as early as the 1700s. They called the game town ball, the Massachusetts game, and sometimes base ball.

The first known organized baseball team in the U.S., was the 1845 "New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club", founded by Alexander J. Cartwright. The rules had been altered, and they eliminated the plugging (amongst of host of new rules that were implemented).


Sidenote: "rounders", Matt Damon, Massachusetts... it's all starting to come together now...


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Looking at your baseball lists,


Spearmaster

Willie Mays, the Bambino and Hank Aaron would be on my list because I love long-ball hitters... can't say Mark McGwire was on my list because I hardly ever saw him play ball though I went to USC at the same time he did...

Well Spearmaster, if you don't know your infields, you certainly know your outfields.


Wow, you went to USC! Barry Bonds almost went to USC, around that time. But you know who DID go to your school, the same time McGwire was playing? Randy Johnson!!! Also, way before you were going there, Fred Lynn as well as "Kong" Dave Kingman had attended USC as well.


Sidenote: Legendary USC baseball coach, Rod Dedeaux passed-away this past December at the age of 91.


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Daffy, great list and great detail. I was curious about your picking Ivan Rodriguez over Bench or Berra, but you know what, by the time his career is finished, he may very well rank with them, and maybe even surpass them. He's most likely going to be the only catcher to record 3,000 hits, if he keeps going for a few more years.


Rod Carew is also an interesting choice at 2nd. He wasn't a very good defensive second-baseman, and would eventually be shifted to 1st after Killebrew retired. Rod Carew "The Jew" was probably the best hitter for average during the '70s.


Sidenote: While I'm quite sure that Spearhead and Daffy know what I'm talking about, but IF you don't know, Rod Carew "The Jew" was actually his nickname after he had converted to Judaism. Oddly enough, he's African American (see, I'm being politically correct ;) ). Not something that usually happens. :D


I like how you have Bonds starting in your LF! :thumbsup: Not too many will take him over Ted Williams, but I would. Bonds DID play awesome defense in his earlier years, and if his arm were stronger, he would have been great in CF. If there was never the steriod issue looming over his head, I wouldn't hesitate to say that his 18-year progression at the plate is unparalled. I still think he's the greatest. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy


Here's what my list (like you, with the depth of 3 at every position) would look like...


C - Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella

1B - Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Murray

2B - Joe Morgan, Rogers Hornsby, Eddie Collins

3B - Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Eddie Matthews

SS - Honus Wagner, Alex Rodriguez, Cal Ripken

LF - Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson

CF - Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle

RF - Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson

P - Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens, Tom Seaver, Lefty Grove, Pete Alexander

Relievers - Dennis Eckersley, Mariano Rivera, Rich Gossage

Managers - Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengal, Bobby Cox

Ballpark - Wrigley Frield (although I love SBC part the most)


Oddly enough, I thought your list of relievers is precisely how I would have ranked them. :D


Lots of fun!!! :thumbsup:


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Looking at your baseball lists,


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Well Spearmaster, if you don't know your infields, you certainly know your outfields.


Wow, you went to USC! Barry Bonds almost went to USC, around that time. But you know who DID go to your school, the same time McGwire was playing? Randy Johnson!!! Also, way before you were going there, Fred Lynn as well as "Kong" Dave Kingman had attended USC as well.


Sidenote: Legendary USC baseball coach, Rod Dedeaux passed-away this past December at the age of 91.


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Daffy, great list and great detail. I was curious about your picking Ivan Rodriguez over Bench or Berra, but you know what, by the time his career is finished, he may very well rank with them, and maybe even surpass them. He's most likely going to be the only catcher to record 3,000 hits, if he keeps going for a few more years.

Sunday night baseball two years ago...Jon Miller and Joe Morgan in the booth...run on first (good speed)...batter bunts...ball dies between home and mound..."Pudge" jumps like a cat and throws out the runner at second!!!
Joe Morgan says, "WOW...if Johnny had a cannon...Pudge has a laser!!!"

I saw all three play...Pudge is the best...most teams don't even try him...he routinely picks 10-12 runners off first a season. One of the best bad ball hitters ever.



Rod Carew is also an interesting choice at 2nd. He wasn't a very good defensive second-baseman, and would eventually be shifted to 1st after Killebrew retired. Rod Carew "The Jew" was probably the best hitter for average during the '70s.

If I was down to my last out...I'd like Carew at the plate.


Sidenote: While I'm quite sure that Spearhead and Daffy know what I'm talking about, but IF you don't know, Rod Carew "The Jew" was actually his nickname after he had converted to Judaism. Oddly enough, he's African American (see, I'm being politically correct ;) ). Not something that usually happens. :D


I like how you have Bonds starting in your LF! :thumbsup: Not too many will take him over Ted Williams, but I would. Bonds DID play awesome defense in his earlier years, and if his arm were stronger, he would have been great in CF. If there was never the steriod issue looming over his head, I wouldn't hesitate to say that his 18-year progression at the plate is unparalled. I still think he's the greatest. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I'm really torn over the steroid issue. They call it cheating...but you still have to put the bat on the ball. Bonds has the best "eye" for the strike zone I've ever seen. Hits for average and power.


Here's what my list (like you, with the depth of 3 at every position) would look like...


C - Johnny Bench, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella (fine)

1B - Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Eddie Murray (fine)

2B - Joe Morgan, Rogers Hornsby, Eddie Collins (fine)

3B - Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Eddie Matthews (Brett was a great hitter)

SS - Honus Wagner, Alex Rodriguez, Cal Ripken (I put A-rod at 3rd...his Yankee position. Ozzie covered more ground than these guys. But good choices.)

LF - Barry Bonds, Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson (fine)

CF - Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle (fine)

RF - Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson (fine)

P - Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens, Tom Seaver, Lefty Grove, Pete Alexander
(Pitcher was hardest decision...so many great ones. You put Seaver in for Spear??? LOL)
Relievers - Dennis Eckersley, Mariano Rivera, Rich Gossage (You must be a genious...lol.)

Managers - Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengal, Bobby Cox (fine)


Oddly enough, I thought your list of relievers is precisely how I would have ranked them. :D


Lots of fun!!! :thumbsup:


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Great Fun!!!

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