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Roger Stone arrested in Mueller investigation

Can’t wait for all of them to go down for treason, lying, cheating and stealing an election.
Next up will be jr then Jared and then the big man himself.

Mrs H-S: "This has nothing to do with the president."

Right! :rolleyes: ..... friend of Mr. T for decades and close adviser to the campaign, wonder what he is going to be....another "low-level coffeeboy"? :D
 
I only saw the last 1/2. We'll see if Pelosi and the Dems will double cross him like they did to Reagan and Bush.

I didn't follow to politics back then but I remember when Reagan legalized 2 million people, 5 million showed up.
I was driving in Watertown, (ie.. Boston Marathon Bombing Shootout location) and looked around said to myself "where did all these foreigners come from."

This is why I say encouraging illegal immigration is a bad thing, it leaves these people with few economic opportunities.

Always the bad Dems, isn't it? The Republicans didn't double cross and block Obama for years? :rolleyes:

Mr. T had for two years control of all three branches of government. Why has the GOP not given him the money for his pet project?

I can't remember anyone in the Republican party or Mr. T himself bringing up and fighting for money for the border wall, except last January when Mr. T sank another bipartisan proposal. Nor have the Republicans seriously worked on immigration reform. So anything you say about Dems is rather moot.
 
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Always the bad Dems, isn't it? The Republicans didn't double cross and block Obama for years? :rolleyes:

Mr. T had for two years control of all three branches of government. Why has the GOP not given him the money for his pet project?

I can't remember anyone in the Republican party or Mr. T himself bringing up and fighting for money for the border wall, except last January when Mr. T sank another bipartisan proposal. Nor have the Republicans seriously worked on immigration reform. So anything you say about Dems is rather moot.

The Dems are a radical left wing party now.
I agree, the GOP should have given him the money, it was very disappointing.
 
The Dems are a radical left wing party now.
I agree, the GOP should have given him the money, it was very disappointing.

was that RINO paul ryan's fault? you can kind of see how the tea party came about if republicans aren't going to be republican, it's the same with the democrats. Now they're a party in favour of more overseas military conflict etc..the peanut farmer president carter was probably the last significant democrat..who knows what bill clinton was, its easy to embrace identity politics to fool the left wing minded and progressive young people but to me a bad smell always emanated from hilliary and bill.

I know some will say the same about Trump, but he's a lot more 'what you see is what you get' [not entirely but better than most career politicians] whereas the clintons, and to a slightly less successful extent Obama, its always about deception, dressing stuff up to get it through. Blair is the uk's closet comparison, the press and media aid them with propaganda too. whereas with Trump apart from Fox we see the opposite, he's opposed by the media on nearly everything..but he has started far less wars than clinton, blair and obama did, which remember directly led to thousands of innocent people dying, children, babies, the elderly, look up madeleine albright [bill clintons secretary of state] interview about the iraq sanctions effect causing thousands of child deaths... that's real evil compared to this border wall.
 
was that RINO paul ryan's fault? you can kind of see how the tea party came about if republicans aren't going to be republican, it's the same with the democrats. Now they're a party in favour of more overseas military conflict etc..the peanut farmer president carter was probably the last significant democrat..who knows what bill clinton was, its easy to embrace identity politics to fool the left wing minded and progressive young people but to me a bad smell always emanated from hilliary and bill.

I know some will say the same about Trump, but he's a lot more 'what you see is what you get' [not entirely but better than most career politicians] whereas the clintons, and to a slightly less successful extent Obama, its always about deception, dressing stuff up to get it through. Blair is the uk's closet comparison, the press and media aid them with propaganda too. whereas with Trump apart from Fox we see the opposite, he's opposed by the media on nearly everything..but he has started far less wars than clinton, blair and obama did, which remember directly led to thousands of innocent people dying, children, babies, the elderly, look up madeleine albright [bill clintons secretary of state] interview about the iraq sanctions effect causing thousands of child deaths... that's real evil compared to this border wall.

Yes of course
bill and hillary=bad
Obama=bad.

Anyone else in this clearly blatant biased opinion you think was bad for the USA and the world?
 
Yes of course
bill and hillary=bad
Obama=bad.

Anyone else in this clearly blatant biased opinion you think was bad for the USA and the world?

were they 'good' for the world/USA, was Blair good for the world/uk ?

I notice you sidestepped the iraq sanctions issue under Bill Clinton and madeleine albright, democrat secretary of state, in my clearly blatant biased opinion reply. What's clearly biased about it anyway, politicians of all hues lie.

But obviously those that try to paint themselves as saints and good doers such as the clintons/obama and blair with the help of a largely dishonest media annoy me the most. I'm not heavily into sides, labour/conservative, republican/democrat, I slate theresa May frequently she's meant to be conservative, and corbyn too, this is one of the worst times for 'common sense politicians' there are very few around.

And yes Trump has got a lot of faults, [ I'm not sat here wearing a Trump baseball cap :cool:] but trying to stop drug traffickers, gang members etc.. coming in from mexico and other countries doesn't see to me to be a fault.

You want to disarm the US populace, but that's never going to happen regardless of Trump, and you've got the biggest prison population in the world, so it would seem that is an area of major concern rather than squabbles between political parties and duplicitous politicians.
 
Free healthcare for all...is just one of the issues but I’m sure slotplayer has a list that Fox News feeds their viewers daily how the democrats are radicals

You know we have free healthcare right? It's called Medicaid, started in the mid 1960's.

Who is eligible for Medicaid? You may qualify for free or low-cost care through Medicaid based on income and family size. In all states, Medicaid provides health coverage for some low-income people, families and children, pregnant women, the elderly, and people with disabilities.

In my state Medicaid is called MassHealth.
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Massachusetts Medicaid (MassHealth) pays for health care for certain low and medium income people living in Massachusetts. MassHealth offers health-care benefits directly or by paying part or all of your health-insurance premiums. MassHealth offers different types of coverage based on your age, whether you are a parent, pregnant, disabled, HIV positive or have breast or cervical cancer, and whether you work for a small employer. MassHealth will decide if you are eligible and give you the most complete coverage that you qualify for.

You also knew that hospital emergencies rooms can not deny anyone by law? You knew this, right?
 
The french have apparently got one of the best healthcare services in the world, maybe as you have such large states [as big as some countries to some degree] they should be allowed the freedom to arrange their own healthcare system. And then eventually the best system would prevail and be copied by the other states.

France has a superior, cheaper rail system and healthcare than us in the Uk, I've never understood why we haven't just copied what they do, instead we waste millions on unnecessary tiers of bureaucracy when it should instead be spent training/hiring nurses and doctors.

Your medicaid system sounds interesting, maybe that just needs beefing up a bit, you know with 20 trillion national debt a lot of money must be wasted on interest payments and a lot of extra debt was created fighting unnecessary wars... something especially for democrats who support these conflicts, thousands of miles away from the USA, to think about. That was money that could have been spent on healthcare, better schools, training etc..
 
Open borders, sanctuaries cities, eliminate ICE, not to mention taxing everyone to death.

The seed in Congress has been planted.



Were there open borders during Obama years? Were you taxed to death during Obama years? There were 8 of them...I don't think Trump will reach year number 3. I don't think the majority are calling for eliminating ICE...like majority of republicans aren't for all-white country or for kidnapping children from their parents. It's nice that you found another boogie...woman. You always need to have that one enemy...pretty pathetic. First it was Pelosi I guess...then Hillary...and now Ocasio-Cortez. Are you afraid of women that much? :P
 
The french have apparently got one of the best healthcare services in the world, maybe as you have such large states [as big as some countries to some degree] they should be allowed the freedom to arrange their own healthcare system. And then eventually the best system would prevail and be copied by the other states.

France has a superior, cheaper rail system and healthcare than us in the Uk, I've never understood why we haven't just copied what they do, instead we waste millions on unnecessary tiers of bureaucracy when it should instead be spent training/hiring nurses and doctors.

Your medicaid system sounds interesting, maybe that just needs beefing up a bit, you know with 20 trillion national debt a lot of money must be wasted on interest payments and a lot of extra debt was created fighting unnecessary wars... something especially for democrats who support these conflicts, thousands of miles away from the USA, to think about. That was money that could have been spent on healthcare, better schools, training etc..

I thought I heard the interest on the debt is going to the third biggest government expense.
US falls, takes Canada and Mexico with it, riots break out and its Caracas.


 
Were there open borders during Obama years? Were you taxed to death during Obama years? There were 8 of them...I don't think Trump will reach year number 3. I don't think the majority are calling for eliminating ICE...like majority of republicans aren't for all-white country or for kidnapping children from their parents. It's nice that you found another boogie...woman. You always need to have that one enemy...pretty pathetic. First it was Pelosi I guess...then Hillary...and now Ocasio-Cortez. Are you afraid of women that much? :p

Did I push another button?
 
were they 'good' for the world/USA, was Blair good for the world/uk ?

I notice you sidestepped the iraq sanctions issue under Bill Clinton and madeleine albright, democrat secretary of state, in my clearly blatant biased opinion reply. What's clearly biased about it anyway, politicians of all hues lie.

But obviously those that try to paint themselves as saints and good doers such as the clintons/obama and blair with the help of a largely dishonest media annoy me the most. I'm not heavily into sides, labour/conservative, republican/democrat, I slate theresa May frequently she's meant to be conservative, and corbyn too, this is one of the worst times for 'common sense politicians' there are very few around.

And yes Trump has got a lot of faults, [ I'm not sat here wearing a Trump baseball cap :cool:] but trying to stop drug traffickers, gang members etc.. coming in from mexico and other countries doesn't see to me to be a fault.

You want to disarm the US populace, but that's never going to happen regardless of Trump, and you've got the biggest prison population in the world, so it would seem that is an area of major concern rather than squabbles between political parties and duplicitous politicians.

Remember that Clinton was the last president to have a budget surplus, only for GWB trashing it with show wars in the Middle East. So Bill couldn't have been that bad for the US.
 
were they 'good' for the world/USA, was Blair good for the world/uk ?

I notice you sidestepped the iraq sanctions issue under Bill Clinton and madeleine albright, democrat secretary of state, in my clearly blatant biased opinion reply. What's clearly biased about it anyway, politicians of all hues lie.

But obviously those that try to paint themselves as saints and good doers such as the clintons/obama and blair with the help of a largely dishonest media annoy me the most. I'm not heavily into sides, labour/conservative, republican/democrat, I slate theresa May frequently she's meant to be conservative, and corbyn too, this is one of the worst times for 'common sense politicians' there are very few around.

And yes Trump has got a lot of faults, [ I'm not sat here wearing a Trump baseball cap :cool:] but trying to stop drug traffickers, gang members etc.. coming in from mexico and other countries doesn't see to me to be a fault.

You want to disarm the US populace, but that's never going to happen regardless of Trump, and you've got the biggest prison population in the world, so it would seem that is an area of major concern rather than squabbles between political parties and duplicitous politicians.

why didn't you mention the war bush started over a lie of weapons of mass destruction.


you're biased because you're anti usa.
 
You know we have free healthcare right? It's called Medicaid, started in the mid 1960's.

Who is eligible for Medicaid? You may qualify for free or low-cost care through Medicaid based on income and family size. In all states, Medicaid provides health coverage for some low-income people, families and children, pregnant women, the elderly, and people with disabilities.

In my state Medicaid is called MassHealth.
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Massachusetts Medicaid (MassHealth) pays for health care for certain low and medium income people living in Massachusetts. MassHealth offers health-care benefits directly or by paying part or all of your health-insurance premiums. MassHealth offers different types of coverage based on your age, whether you are a parent, pregnant, disabled, HIV positive or have breast or cervical cancer, and whether you work for a small employer. MassHealth will decide if you are eligible and give you the most complete coverage that you qualify for.

You also knew that hospital emergencies rooms can not deny anyone by law? You knew this, right?


Did I push another button?

how is medicaid FREE (not at a low cost) health care for all(not only low income)? please explain.

and yes they will not refuse you at the emergency room...what happens afterwards when you survive the emergency? who pays.

i grew up in Connecticut. Went to school in NYC. Worked in LA. so yeah i know.
 
Remember that Clinton was the last president to have a budget surplus, only for GWB trashing it with show wars in the Middle East. So Bill couldn't have been that bad for the US.

Sorry, Harry I should have added gwb to my [clearly biased against the usa :rolleyes:] dislike list, he's got to be worse than clinton in respect of the huge invasion wars he started, but then again on the domestic front didn't clinton sign all these free trade deals that buggered up a fair bit of US manufacturing and made changes to the banking regs, which kicked off the growth in extremely high risk investment banking. I should check it out properly but I'm sure it was some sort of deregulation which wall street wanted and got, but culminated in the 2008 crash.

Over the years I've become more and more disillusioned with politics, like many in the mid to late 90's I wanted to see a change, but ultimately that gave us Blair, then Bush and Obama, all basically political establishment insiders who never improved anything really, wasted trillions waging war, killing hundreds of thousands etc..

What I see with Trump is a bit of an outsider with a different approach, I don't like the boasting and brash talk but his policies and ideas should be logically debated, in the senate/congress and media etc.. fair criticism and alternative proposals put forward if better, but I just see pointless hysteria and accusations about him being a russian agent, therefore to me the press and politicians are failing the public they claim to care so much about.
 
why didn't you mention the war bush started over a lie of weapons of mass destruction.


you're biased because you're anti usa.

Oh right, so a lot of americans who also dislike G.bush jr, hiliary and bill, were against the wars etc.. are also biased and anti USA?

And so unless you agree with the prevailing opinions pushed by politicians and journalists [the establishment for short] you must be biased and anti the whole country.

And if someone from the US criticizes theresa may or jeremy corbyn, they must be biased and anti UK? :laugh:

Edit: in fact I must also be anti uk and biased for daring to critize a fair number of politicians and political pundits here.
 
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Sorry, Harry I should have added gwb to my [clearly biased against the usa :rolleyes:] dislike list, he's got to be worse than clinton in respect of the huge invasion wars he started, but then again on the domestic front didn't clinton sign all these free trade deals that buggered up a fair bit of US manufacturing and made changes to the banking regs, which kicked off the growth in extremely high risk investment banking. I should check it out properly but I'm sure it was some sort of deregulation which wall street wanted and got, but culminated in the 2008 crash.

Over the years I've become more and more disillusioned with politics, like many in the mid to late 90's I wanted to see a change, but ultimately that gave us Blair, then Bush and Obama, all basically political establishment insiders who never improved anything really, wasted trillions waging war, killing hundreds of thousands etc..

What I see with Trump is a bit of an outsider with a different approach, I don't like the boasting and brash talk but his policies and ideas should be logically debated, in the senate/congress and media etc.. fair criticism and alternative proposals put forward if better, but I just see pointless hysteria and accusations about him being a russian agent, therefore to me the press and politicians are failing the public they claim to care so much about.

The manufacturing exodus and trend towards globalization started well before Clinton. However, NAFTA was signed during Clinton's term and there people have different views. The majority of economists says it was good for the US, some say it was not. I can't make a judgement as I have not looked into detail. But I am sure Clinton did not sign some stupid agreement that would put the US at a big disadvantage.

People tend to quote only parts that suite their argument, e.g. like Mr. T saying that the EU is charging 10% for importing cars from the US but the US is charging only 2.5%. First, the US is charging on the immensely popular trucks 25% import tax. Second, the overall import tax rate for all goods & services between the EU and the US is less than 2% each way, so when you look at the entire picture it is actually a fair agreement. Mr. T chooses though to lie and misinform his people and a good part actually believe the nonsense.

I am pretty sure the Russia thing would have been long forgotten if Mr. T and the people around him would not have lied all the time. And now they are trying a really bad cover-up, which makes things even worse.

I encourage you to go into politics, it is always easier to criticize those in power than actually being in power. Our planet has become a complex, interwoven world, no one can just shut shop like Mr. T is trying to do and forget about the rest of the planet. Or your Brexiteers politicians for a matter of fact. It's just not possible.

What I see is that Mr. T is doing what he did in his private life. Taking people for a ride, borrowing money with no intention or thought on how to pay it back, bragging about stuff that he didn't do, belittling anyone who speaks against him etc. Certainly, not fit to be president IMO. He's been lucky so far that he inherited a growing economy, then fired it up with nearly $2 trillion in tax cuts and extra spending (all borrowed money) and will now see how it will go back to normal or even into a nosedive.

P.S. Did you realize he did not give Nancy Pelosi a nickname? Too scared when he sees that he can't intimidate someone.
 
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The manufacturing exodus and trend towards globalization started well before Clinton. However, NAFTA was signed during Clinton's term and there people have different views. The majority of economists says it was good for the US, some say it was not. I can't make a judgement as I have not looked into detail. But I am sure Clinton did not sign some stupid agreement that would put the US at a big disadvantage.

People tend to quote only parts that suite their argument, e.g. like Mr. T saying that the EU is charging 10% for importing cars from the US but the US is charging only 2.5%. First, the US is charging on the immensely popular trucks 25% import tax. Second, the overall import tax rate for all goods & services between the EU and the US is less than 2% each way, so when you look at the entire picture it is actually a fair agreement. Mr. T chooses though to lie and misinform his people and a good part actually believe the nonsense.

I am pretty sure the Russia thing would be long forgotten if Mr. T and the people around him would not have lied all the time. And now they are trying a really bad cover-up, which makes things even worse.

I encourage you to go into politics, it is always easier to criticize those in power than actually being in power. Our planet has become a complex, interwoven world, no one can just shut shop like Mr. T is trying to do and forget about the rest of the planet. Or your Brexiteers politicians for a matter of fact. It's just not possible.

What I see is that Mr. T is doing what it did in his private life. Taking people for a ride, borrowing money with no intention or thought on how to pay it back, bragging about stuff that he didn't do, belittling anyone who speaks against him etc. Certainly, not fit to be president IMO. He's been lucky so far that he inherited a growing economy, then fired it up with nearly $2 trillion in tax cuts and extra spending (all borrowed money) and will now see how it will go back to normal or even into a nosedive.

P.S. Did you realize he did not give Nancy Pelosi a nickname? Too scared when he sees that he can't intimidate someone.

I never really bought Trump's line that they were getting totally stiffed on the tariffs, and importing stuff from china with little or no tariff was obviously what some US businesses wanted and probably lobbied for, [rather than the crafty chinese stitching up the US trade dept as trump seems to imply] including buying cheap steel rather than pay more to manufacture it in the US. But that is in my view the kind of short sightedness some greedy business people have, they don't give two sh*ts for their fellow citizens, whereas politicians have to look longer term.

In a way tariffs are a way of doing that and were around all during the 1950's and 60's where there was a lot of growth and prosperity, tariff free works as long as there is a close balance in trade, however I believe the US has a big trade imbalance with china. If the chinese import more US products then that would help them come to an agreement.

I encourage you to go into politics, it is always easier to criticize those in power than actually being in power.

haha donald mack, the uk's new trump impersonator, to be fair though Harry, and it pains me to say it but aren't you, erm ...doing the latter too re Trump :oops:. The way I see it, especially in the UK, the powerful are not really held to account, there's a lot of flannel and posturing but very little logical discussion along the lines of common sense. They're getting away with it basically, I'd rather kick our lot out and put in the eggheads and brainy people.

I'm not totally up on Trump's tax cuts but it seemed a little hurried in, most of the super mega wealthy are just hoarders with no intention of doing anything other than trying to hoard more, like bezos, at least the tesla bloke is trying to be more creative and productive. amazon just wants to import cheap stuff from china, flog their staff like horses in huge warehouses, sell it on and pay as ridiculously little tax back as possible in somewhere like liechtenstein while the high street retailers everwhere die a slow death.

I think Trump did use to mix in democrat circles, so that might be another reason for not giving pelosi a nickname, I don't think if he was such an evil ogre his wife [who seems genuinely nice and natural] would have stayed with him, she would have good grounds to divorce him by now I expect but she's stuck by him.

edit: that could definitely change though, I thought she would have packed her bags over the stormy daniels business
 
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I listen to experts all the time on border security. They say the wall will help.

Aside from the native Americans its the US constitution that makes American's American, the country is a melting pot of immigrants, always has been. Its the constitution that binds the country. That's why it has significance.


Which experts have said a wall would help? I'd love you to post references. Maybe you could quote the DHS report which said that 95% of drugs come through normal ports of entry and not over land borders a wall would stop. Or maybe it's that huge coyote problem....

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I think that about sums up Trump and his wall... let's see you defend that without claiming fake news ;)
 
I never really bought Trump's line that they were getting totally stiffed on the tariffs, and importing stuff from china with little or no tariff was obviously what some US businesses wanted and probably lobbied for, [rather than the crafty chinese stitching up the US trade dept as trump seems to imply] including buying cheap steel rather than pay more to manufacture it in the US. But that is in my view the kind of short sightedness some greedy business people have, they don't give two sh*ts for their fellow citizens, whereas politicians have to look longer term.

In a way tariffs are a way of doing that and were around all during the 1950's and 60's where there was a lot of growth and prosperity, tariff free works as long as there is a close balance in trade, however I believe the US has a big trade imbalance with china. If the chinese import more US products then that would help them come to an agreement.

haha donald mack, the uk's new trump impersonator, to be fair though Harry, and it pains me to say it but aren't you, erm ...doing the latter too re Trump :oops:. The way I see it, especially in the UK, the powerful are not really held to account, there's a lot of flannel and posturing but very little logical discussion along the lines of common sense. They're getting away with it basically, I'd rather kick our lot out and put in the eggheads and brainy people.

I'm not totally up on Trump's tax cuts but it seemed a little hurried in, most of the super mega wealthy are just hoarders with no intention of doing anything other than trying to hoard more, like bezos, at least the tesla bloke is trying to be more creative and productive. amazon just wants to import cheap stuff from china, flog their staff like horses in huge warehouses, sell it on and pay as ridiculously little tax back as possible in somewhere like liechtenstein while the high street retailers everwhere die a slow death.

I think Trump did use to mix in democrat circles, so that might be another reason for not giving pelosi a nickname, I don't think if he was such an evil ogre his wife [who seems genuinely nice and natural] would have stayed with him, she would have good grounds to divorce him by now I expect but she's stuck by him.

edit: that could definitely change though, I thought she would have packed her bags over the stormy daniels business

Of course I criticize Mr. T, I do it with Merkel and Macron in German and French political forums too. And trust me, if you read how the French are talking about their president you will think that Mr. T is getting a five-star treatment.

As for Nancy, Mr. T called her in the past MS13-lover and other stuff but she had no power, so he could trample on her as he liked. Now that she has the power of the purse, he's sitting there with his tail between his feet. You should have seen how he was itching to call her some name when he said that. It was like: "Nancy Pelosi or as I call her" ....quite a pause and everyone was expecting some nasty name but he simply says...."Nancy". I was laughing my head off :D :D

Melania was known as a gold digger even before she met Mr. T. Doubt it has changed since. I saw once a documentary where people from her village said a few words, none were nice.

Does this look like a loving couple to you?

 
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Thank goodness a good percentage of germans and french have seen through the positive press macron and merkel have had laid on for them, I knew macron would soon show his true colours didn't think it would happen this quickly though, the french are still very politically minded and interested. I would say he's lucky the gullotine is no longer in vogue but that would be in bad taste :D

Merkel I think is off soon, so it will be interesting to see who becomes the next chancellor. Always wondered does germany have a prime minister/president position or is chancellor the german equivalent rather than a straight translation of our chancellor of the exchequer role?

I didn't know about this MS13 lover name, nor what MS13 was, sounded a bit like a boyband or something, but just looked it up and its los angeles gang bangers who've spread out to other places [mexico, honduras etc...] I have to say I think this is just Trump's sense of humour and way of belittling an opponent in a shorthand way that people will remember, it'll stick even though it sounds preposterous to link the 78 year old pelosi to these gangs. It's his way of saying she's an enabler for their criminal activity to increase, by blocking his wall no doubt.

:laugh: maybe I overestimated the loving feeling going on there with Melania, I think Trump probably should've been a comedian, he enjoys playing to a crowd, often he just speaks his mind, if he was pretending to be pious like blair I would have more reservations..but with Trump he lays out his ideas and opinions, and it's up to the democrats to argue on the issues relevant to the majority and find someone with less baggage than hillary.

A lot of the republican establishment wanted jeb to win the nomination, whether that would have meant george bush jr 2 or whether he was much better than george I don't know but the american people made up their mind and went with someone who promised to shake things up and do things differently. Mueller is like the witchfinder general, its pathetic using armed police to arrest an old man...
 
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Thank goodness a good percentage of germans and french have seen through the positive press macron and merkel have had laid on for them, I knew macron would soon show his true colours didn't think it would happen this quickly though, the french are still very politically minded and interested. I would say he's lucky the gullotine is no longer in vogue but that would be in bad taste :D

Merkel I think is off soon, so it will be interesting to see who becomes the next chancellor. Always wondered does germany have a prime minister/president position or is chancellor the german equivalent rather than a straight translation of our chancellor of the exchequer role?

I didn't know about this MS13 lover name, nor what MS13 was, sounded a bit like a boyband or something, but just looked it up and its los angeles gang bangers who've spread out to other places [mexico, honduras etc...] I have to say I think this is just Trump's sense of humour and way of belittling an opponent in a shorthand way that people will remember, it'll stick even though it sounds preposterous to link the 78 year old pelosi to these gangs. It's his way of saying she's an enabler for their criminal activity to increase, by blocking his wall no doubt.

:laugh: maybe I overestimated the loving feeling going on there with Melania, I think Trump probably should've been a comedian, he enjoys playing to a crowd, often he just speaks his mind, if he was pretending to be pious like blair I would have more reservations..but with Trump he lays out his ideas and opinions, and it's up to the democrats to argue on the issues relevant to the majority and find someone with less baggage than hilliary.

A lot of the republican establishment wanted jeb to win the nomination, whether that would have meant george bush jr 2 or whether he was much better than george I don't know but the american people made up their mind and went with someone who promised to shake things up and do things differently. Mueller is like the witchfinder general, its pathetic using armed police to arrest an old man...

You are really trying hard to see Mr. T in a positive light. Look at his history and life and you will know that those names are not a sense of humour.

Mr. T is a comedian, broadcasting a comedy show 24/7 directly from the WH, nonstop two years now and still going. :D
 
some people do use humour to belittle people, I bet some republican americans have found it funny to call pelosi an MS13 lover, he's extracting the michael out of the opposition, it's a bit like wwe, is it award winning comedy - no.

sometimes its a matter of what's the alternative, so with theresa may if everybody goes in hard on her and rips her record to pieces, we end up with corbyn and the labour party, not really an enticing prospect.

If people are getting so worked up about Trump because they think they lost out in not having hillary clinton as president then I think they may need some kind of help; If Trump is so terrible the decent american people will see it and vote accordingly but they've got to have an appealing alternative, I can't remember who bush jnr faced off against but he couldn't have been that credible in the 2nd term's election.
 
Which experts have said a wall would help? I'd love you to post references. Maybe you could quote the DHS report which said that 95% of drugs come through normal ports of entry and not over land borders a wall would stop. Or maybe it's that huge coyote problem....

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I think that about sums up Trump and his wall... let's see you defend that without claiming fake news ;)

How about the president of the National Border Patrol Council.




 
Did I push another button?

how is medicaid FREE (not at a low cost) health care for all(not only low income)? please explain.

and yes they will not refuse you at the emergency room...what happens afterwards when you survive the emergency? who pays.

i grew up in Connecticut. Went to school in NYC. Worked in LA. so yeah i know.

I never said free healthcare for all, you said that. I just said we have free healthcare. Go back and read the posts.

As far as paying, people use the emergency room as their primary care doctor, the hospital ends up eating the bill and in turn has to overcharge the insurance companies to recoup some of the money which in turn causes the health insurance companies to raise the premium costs.
 
some people do use humour to belittle people, I bet some republican americans have found it funny to call pelosi an MS13 lover, he's extracting the michael out of the opposition, it's a bit like wwe, is it award winning comedy - no.

sometimes its a matter of what's the alternative, so with theresa may if everybody goes in hard on her and rips her record to pieces, we end up with corbyn and the labour party, not really an enticing prospect.

If people are getting so worked up about Trump because they think they lost out in not having hillary clinton as president then I think they may need some kind of help; If Trump is so terrible the decent american people will see it and vote accordingly but they've got to have an appealing alternative, I can't remember who bush jnr faced off against but he couldn't have been that credible in the 2nd term's election.

I think it was John Kerry. I backed him back when I was blue collar democrat.
 
Oh right, so a lot of americans who also dislike G.bush jr, hiliary and bill, were against the wars etc.. are also biased and anti USA?

And so unless you agree with the prevailing opinions pushed by politicians and journalists [the establishment for short] you must be biased and anti the whole country.

And if someone from the US criticizes theresa may or jeremy corbyn, they must be biased and anti UK? :laugh:

Edit: in fact I must also be anti uk and biased for daring to critize a fair number of politicians and political pundits here.

I never thought you were anti-usa.
 
some people do use humour to belittle people, I bet some republican americans have found it funny to call pelosi an MS13 lover, he's extracting the michael out of the opposition, it's a bit like wwe, is it award winning comedy - no.

sometimes its a matter of what's the alternative, so with theresa may if everybody goes in hard on her and rips her record to pieces, we end up with corbyn and the labour party, not really an enticing prospect.

If people are getting so worked up about Trump because they think they lost out in not having hillary clinton as president then I think they may need some kind of help; If Trump is so terrible the decent american people will see it and vote accordingly but they've got to have an appealing alternative, I can't remember who bush jnr faced off against but he couldn't have been that credible in the 2nd term's election.

 
I never said free healthcare for all, you said that. I just said we have free healthcare. Go back and read the posts.

As far as paying, people use the emergency room as their primary care doctor, the hospital ends up eating the bill and in turn has to overcharge the insurance companies to recoup some of the money which in turn causes the health insurance companies to raise the premium costs.


Yes of which you snidely tried to scold me that you have Medicaid..which your president and company are gunning for....

I simply pointed out the issue that makes democrats radicals according to fox is free healthcare amongst the many other issues of course.
 
here's a thought, if they toughen up the checks and surveillance at the normal ports of entry to cut this 95%, what do you think the drug traffickers will do next? Along with digging more tunnels, maybe drones, they'll probably try and send human drug mules across that land...for every 8 that get caught maybe 2 get through?

You're right. We should build a wall around every country. But then when the drug and people smugglers find a way around that, we should build a wall around every city and town. It worked brilliantly in Berlin... ask the Germans.
 
You're right. We should build a wall around every country. But then when the drug and people smugglers find a way around that, we should build a wall around every city and town. It worked brilliantly in Berlin... ask the Germans.

Wonder what the plan is to deal with the rise in AI/Robotics in terms of safeguarding jobs (which will make cheap foreign workers seem like the halcyon days)? Preparing people with better/more relevant skills or, more likely, sending John Connor back in time?
 
Oh right, so a lot of americans who also dislike G.bush jr, hiliary and bill, were against the wars etc.. are also biased and anti USA?

And so unless you agree with the prevailing opinions pushed by politicians and journalists [the establishment for short] you must be biased and anti the whole country.

And if someone from the US criticizes theresa may or jeremy corbyn, they must be biased and anti UK? :laugh:

Edit: in fact I must also be anti uk and biased for daring to critize a fair number of politicians and political pundits here.


The anti USA sentiment on this thread seems to rear its ugly head every once in a while...however I jumped the gun and misjudged your post. I apologize.

I do not push or believe any of what the politicians tell us. Far from it. I also abhor the main stream media. Most Politics and policy are guided by very rich families who own the lobby groups and own most of the politicians who serve their special interests. In the USA Whether it’s Soros, the Koch brothers, or anyone else we haven’t heard of, if you own the media and you own the politicians you pretty much can push forward the agenda to make you richer. Very few politicians are working for the people who elected them. Sadly..I believe this. Even that radical Bernie sanders is owned by the Russians.

I also believe that the USA 2016 election and brexit were part of the Russian plan to destabilize the world and create havoc.
 
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Yes of which you snidely tried to scold me that you have Medicaid..which your president and company are gunning for....

I simply pointed out the issue that makes democrats radicals according to fox is free healthcare amongst the many other issues of course.

speaking of snide (in bold)

Universal healthcare and an out of control immigration policy is a recipe for disaster.
Taxing the job creators 70% above the first $10 million will deincentivize job creation.
 
Wonder what the plan is to deal with the rise in AI/Robotics in terms of safeguarding jobs (which will make cheap foreign workers seem like the halcyon days)? Preparing people with better/more relevant skills or, more likely, sending John Connor back in time?

40% of jobs going away in the next 5-15 years due to AI.

No more cashiers.

 
The anti USA sentiment on this thread seems to rear its ugly head every once in a while...however I jumped the gun and misjudged your post. I apologize.

I do not push or believe any of what the politicians tell us. Far from it. I also abhor the main stream media. Most Politics and policy are guided by very rich families who own the lobby groups and own most of the politicians who serve their special interests. In the USA Whether it’s Soros, the Koch brothers, or anyone else we haven’t heard of, if you own the media and you own the politicians you pretty much can push forward the agenda to make you richer. Very few politicians are working for the people who elected them. Sadly..I believe this. Even that radical Bernie sanders is owned by the Russians.

I also believe that the USA 2016 election and brexit were part of the Russian plan to destabilize the world and create havoc.

I can appreciate that's how it must look sometimes, we brits come in for quite a bit of stick too due to actions our politicians/leaders took in the past.
 
40% of jobs going away in the next 5-15 years due to AI.

No more cashiers.



Proponents of such argue that such developments are actually 'opportunities' for people as it allows them to move from various mundane jobs to do more meaningful tasks. I'm personally not that optimistic at the time being and most countries and professions are woefully underprepared for this. It's happening though and will be a seismic shock to most countries' workforces.

It's not just your typical manual jobs as well. My background, accountancy, will feel it as well - quality assurance departments disappear because the system does what the people used to.

Hell, I remember not so long ago that Petrol Stations used to have people who came out to fill your car for you

And that's why people talking about cheap labour flooding their domestic market will all become irrelevant in the upcoming years - we'll be talking about AI/Robotics doing the same :) And a Wall's gonna be useless ;)

I was talking to my Nephew who is going to Uni in the next year and he asked about what i did etc. I just told him 'No, don't do that - do Data Analytics/Scientist' - then you can name your salary.
 
Nice straw man Trance ;)
I think you need to understand what a straw man argument is...

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

Except my argument was entirely valid because the arguments for building a wall across the southern border could quite easily then be used for building walls along state borders or around cities. It's not out of the realms of comprehension. The point was to emphasise how utterly pointless it would actually be.

I mean... where is this epidemic of coyote attacks Trump mentioned?
 
A majority of Trumps most ardent supporters are arguably from the religious states of the USA... you would think that with a direct line to God, they'd ask for him to help those that want to come to the US to have a better life in the countries they are coming from, rather than asking for more guns and a stupid wall.....
 
they'd ask for him to help those that want to come to the US to have a better life in the countries they are coming from

I am much more in favour of this, help the mexicans sort out mexico so they can have a decent quality of life there, the lifeboat solution of rescuing a few thousand here and there by giving them citizenship [normally the most educated and talented] and leaving the rest to get on with it, in such a dangerous and corrupt country like mexico is hardly humanitarian.

Except my argument was entirely valid because the arguments for building a wall across the southern border could quite easily then be used for building walls along state borders or around cities. It's not out of the realms of comprehension. The point was to emphasise how utterly pointless it would actually be.

No I don't believe they could, this is an exceptional case, Trump as far as I know it is not planning on a wall between the US and Canada because there is simply not the same level of criminals and drugs seeking to enter the US from canada as from central and south america. And I don't think the USA with its drug crime crisis has the luxury of staying with the status quo and not trying to do something significant to improve the situation.

I personally don't really like the look of border walls as visually they're an eyesore and an admittance of failure but the failure is lawlessness coming from mexico, columbia, el salvador etc.. so the americans have a right to do everything to protect themselves from that, and bleating by liberal politicians and pundits all day long is not a sufficient alternative solution.

Apparently there a fair number of gated communities/housing in the USA, which I'm not in favour of but it is a natural reaction to out of control crime and to offer extra protection to vulnerable people [ the elderly pensioners etc..]

Interestingly one john carpenter movie I've wanted to watch recently which has a walled city holding all the criminals in, is 'escape from new york', it's dystopian and slowly we seem to be heading in that kind of general direction, with disorder and crime affecting everyone's lives, the crime stories you read in the news everyday, here in the uk, are shocking compared to a few decades earlier, so what is the solution, just put up with it and hope it will go away?
 
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No I don't believe they could, this is an exceptional case, Trump as far as I know it is not planning on a wall between the US and Canada because there is simply not the same level of criminals and drugs seeking to enter the US from canada as from central and south america. And I don't think the USA with its drug crime crisis has the luxury of staying with the status quo and not trying to do something significant to improve the situation.

And where is your evidence that Mexicans cause more crime per head than any other nationality? Fact is, they don't. It's a lie Trump has made up to further his other lies. Here's some actual facts. :)

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I'm still in shock that Trump is actually wanting to build a wall, I thought it was just an election sound bite :eek2:

Bit of a border to manage, but then this mythical wall was intended as a deterrant for illegal immigrants crossing over at their behest, of which there's going to be a major opportunistic criminal element with them. So that includes drug cartels, gangs, human trafficking and other vibrant vice....

No wall's going to fix the problem of course long-term, as for expenditure on staffing alone :eek2:

Yet baffling how lefties object to preservation so much. Perhaps they believe there's nothing worth saving and that everyone will end up doing this in unison

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