North Korea and US politics

[Kroffe]

"Like im afraid of King Carl Gustaf, hes not scary at all"

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The above gif is from when the King was asked about operation "Deal with it" last time it happened.
7 "Keyboard warriors" from England, 2 from Finland and 586 from Denmark suddenly disappeared, never to be heard from again.
The strange surplus of Swedish meatballs at the local Ikea was explained as a coincidence...
Maybe it was, maybe it was not.

 

[Kroffe]

There are countless ways to make someone disappear..

Anyway, lets sausage.

 

[cncas2123]

To be honest, no matter who would replace Mr T, it would be easy to do better than him. Simply, because Mr T and his merry man/women have not done a single positive thing in 3.5 years, nada, zilch, no a single iota.

This is my thought exactly, what has he done for America? How has he made America great again? How is his wall building going? Can one of the Trumpites tell me anything he has done to make America great again since he was elected?

 

[pinnit2014]

I hear you guys been talking shit about Sweden.
Ive gathered all of you IP adresses and the king of Sweden will be along shortly to handle things.

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(text is: Deal with it)

Would have had more gravitas if it had been Alicia Vikander.

2/10 Honeypots.

 

[Kroffe]

Would have had more gravitas if it had been Alicia Vikander.

2/10 Honeypots.

But its not pots its jars.
Pot is something you smoke, not something you keep gods golden elixir in.

Got it?

 

[pinnit2014]

But its not pots its jars.
Pot is something you smoke, not something you keep gods golden elixir in.

Got it?
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The only Elixir i recognise is this

The potential is massive

 

[Kroffe]

The only Elixir i recognise is this

The potential is massive

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The only PnG slot i play is 7 sins.
If a slot does not have an option to make the boobies go bouncy, i just dont bother with it.

 

[vorcirion]

The only PnG slot i play is 7 sins.
If a slot does not have an option to make the boobies go bouncy, i just dont bother with it.

Royal masquerade has a sligth bounce

 

[Kroffe]

Royal masquerade has a sligth bounce

Adding it to my list of playable slots.

 

[pinnit2014]

The only PnG slot i play is 7 sins.
If a slot does not have an option to make the boobies go bouncy, i just dont bother with it.

I'm not a slot and mine go bouncy, bouncy.

 

[mack341]

" so to do a proper comparison, you have to factor these things in [the collateral damage] "

You asked for a proper comparison.

In the uk the amount of collateral damage from a fairly extensive lockdown has not yet been determined.
So a proper comparison between sweden's approach and the uk's cannot be made until later, although currently the overall death ratio is similar when according to ferguson's imperial college model it shouldn't be close.

I don't know whether US citizens could still get access to cancer tests and treatment but in the uk these services were largely put on hold for months.

If you want to compare sweden with the US, it's probably better to compare individual states to sweden.
It's too easy to heap all the blame for cases and deaths at trump's door, it's mostly politically motivated to try to help win votes for Biden [imo]

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Overall, blue states fare worse with a death rate of 74 per 100,000 people, but red states still have a relatively high death rate, by global standards, of 49 per 100,000.

My maths aren't great but that is a 50% worse rate I think, 250 more deaths per million in the blue states; 740 compared to 490.

 

[sufferinsilence]

In the uk the amount of collateral damage from a fairly extensive lockdown has not yet been determined.
So a proper comparison between sweden's approach and the uk's cannot be made until later, although currently the overall death ratio is similar when according to ferguson's imperial college model it shouldn't be close.

I don't know whether US citizens could still get access to cancer tests and treatment but in the uk these services were largely put on hold for months.

If you want to compare sweden with the US, it's probably better to compare individual states to sweden.
It's too easy to heap all the blame for cases and deaths at trump's door, it's mostly politically motivated to try to help win votes for Biden [imo]



Taken from that article:

Overall, blue states fare worse with a death rate of 74 per 100,000 people, but red states still have a relatively high death rate, by global standards, of 49 per 100,000.

My maths aren't great but that is a 50% worse rate I think, 250 more deaths per million in the blue states; 740 compared to 490.

Alot of blue states have big cities compared to red states being more rural. Furthermore states like NY were hit very early on when there wasn't much known about therapeutics. States that were hit later in the pandemic could use the knowledge of new insights like using blood thinners, steroids and antivirals.

Either way, is this really a political thing again? Blue or red, both were hit hard and are still being hit hard if you compare them with the rest of the world.

 

[sufferinsilence]

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[mack341]

Alot of blue states have big cities compared to red states being more rural. Furthermore states like NY were hit very early on when there wasn't much known about therapeutics. States that were hit later in the pandemic could use the knowledge of new insights like using blood thinners, steroids and antivirals.

Either way, is this really a political thing again? Blue or red, both were hit hard and are still being hit hard if you compare them with the rest of the world.

It is political when all the flak for poor numbers is fired in trump's direction by the msm, I tend to think it is more complicated but don't blame him for trying to fight back and place some responsibilty on the governers/government of individual states.

 

[sufferinsilence]

It is political when all the flak for poor numbers is fired in trump's direction by the msm, I tend to think it is more complicated but don't blame him for trying to fight back and place some responsibilty on the governers/government of individual states.

Agree with you on this. I haven't really followed the whole situation in the USA, I barely follow it in my own country atm, but as far as I understood the governors of blue states have never said they weren't responsible? If I remember correctly Cuomo even wanted to resign at some point. There have been strict measures in D states, like in Michigan where "some people" didn't agree and showed up at the state capitol in riot gear. But it's easier to control a highly contagious disease when your state is mostly rural, that's a fact.

But Trump is president of ALL Americans, not just the red states. Ultimately he should be held responsible for everyone. Even though he has said he's only president of the red states...

And now even when he's going through a bout of corona he's still trying to say it's not that bad... when he had all the therapeutics one can imagine (except HCQ).

 

[dionysus]

But Trump is president of ALL Americans, not just the red states.

You'd think so..this seems to lend more toward 'his' Americans

“I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Trump tweeted.

 

[mack341]

Agree with you on this. I haven't really followed the whole situation in the USA, I barely follow it in my own country atm, but as far as I understood the governors of blue states have never said they weren't responsible? If I remember correctly Cuomo even wanted to resign at some point. There have been strict measures in D states, like in Michigan where "some people" didn't agree and showed up at the state capitol in riot gear. But it's easier to control a highly contagious disease when your state is mostly rural, that's a fact.

But Trump is president of ALL Americans, not just the red states. Ultimately he should be held responsible for everyone. Even though he has said he's only president of the red states...

And now even when he's going through a bout of corona he's still trying to say it's not that bad... when he had all the therapeutics one can imagine (except HCQ).

For younger folk it is not that bad, flu is more dangerous for youngsters; and I've seen on twitter tonight a figure of 0.1 for the fatality rate [based on the number of worldwide cases - remember countries like the UK did no testing for months]

If Trump could get all these therapeutics available for everyone that would be good but it looks like the vaccine is going to be cheaper, so no doubt money plays a part.

'Held responsible' ...for every covid death & failings in individual states?

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[sufferinsilence]

For younger folk it is not that bad, flu is more dangerous for youngsters; and I've seen on twitter tonight a figure of 0.1 for the fatality rate [based on the number of worldwide cases - remember countries like the UK did no testing for months]

If Trump could get all these therapeutics available for everyone that would be good but it looks like the vaccine is going to be cheaper, so no doubt money plays a part.

'Held responsible' ...for every covid death & failings in individual states?

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There's been a poll in Belgium and the Netherlands amongst people who've had a mild form of the virus during the first wave back in March and only 5% of them declared to have no issues at all anymore 6 (!!!) months later. So I wouldn't call it "not that bad" and "flu is more dangerous".

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Remember Trump has deliberately downplayed, and still is apparently, this virus. He has admitted this in multiple conversations with Bob Woodward. So yes, he should be held responsible.

 

[sufferinsilence]

You'd think so..this seems to lend more toward 'his' Americans

“I have instructed my representatives to stop negotiating until after the election when, immediately after I win, we will pass a major Stimulus Bill that focuses on hardworking Americans and Small Business," Trump tweeted.

He'd rather leave behind a country in shambles when he gets voted out in November...

 

[mack341]

I'm sure there are lingering symptoms where the infection was more progressed but if they had the mild form how can symptoms afterwards be severe?

A self-answered subjective questionnaire doesn't really cut it for me, there would need to be scans and blood tests etc...to assess any long term damage/symptoms after mild cases.

 

[Kroffe]

He'd rather leave behind a country in shambles when he gets voted out in November...

Beyond bizarre.
"i want to help you guys, but help me first, alright?"

Kaga i guess.

 

[Harry_BKK]

For younger folk it is not that bad, flu is more dangerous for youngsters; and I've seen on twitter tonight a figure of 0.1 for the fatality rate [based on the number of worldwide cases - remember countries like the UK did no testing for months]

If Trump could get all these therapeutics available for everyone that would be good but it looks like the vaccine is going to be cheaper, so no doubt money plays a part.

'Held responsible' ...for every covid death & failings in individual states?

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You don't know how bad it is, nobody knows.

What we do know is that it has the potential to leave lasting damage.

Would you be OK if in a few decades it turns out that it shortened your life by 10 or 20 years because of the damage it has done to your lungs or heart? Would it still be acceptable for you?

Geez mack, when will you open your ears and eyes? Maybe reading the history of the 1918 pandemic will help you to get a better understanding.

Here's an interesting nugget how the MAGA sycophants see their idol. Reading what you write about Mr T lately I am inclined to add you to this fan group.

FYI, she's saying the president developed all the therapeutics etc. The delusion among these people is humongous.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Not sure if here or the wtf thread

 

[Harry_BKK]

In the uk the amount of collateral damage from a fairly extensive lockdown has not yet been determined.
So a proper comparison between sweden's approach and the uk's cannot be made until later, although currently the overall death ratio is similar when according to ferguson's imperial college model it shouldn't be close.

I don't know whether US citizens could still get access to cancer tests and treatment but in the uk these services were largely put on hold for months.

If you want to compare sweden with the US, it's probably better to compare individual states to sweden.
It's too easy to heap all the blame for cases and deaths at trump's door, it's mostly politically motivated to try to help win votes for Biden [imo]



Taken from that article:

Overall, blue states fare worse with a death rate of 74 per 100,000 people, but red states still have a relatively high death rate, by global standards, of 49 per 100,000.

My maths aren't great but that is a 50% worse rate I think, 250 more deaths per million in the blue states; 740 compared to 490.

Of course, you can compare it very easily. The excess death rate can be converted to a percentage/population.

Here, England&Wales vs Sweden

 

[dionysus]

You don't know how bad it is, nobody knows.

but we know it's bad, and anyone doesnt, has very special, red-tinted blinders on (no doubt, sold in the middle insert of comic books)

it aint going anywhere, even with super-duper-election vaccines

 

[mack341]

Of course, you can compare it very easily. The excess death rate can be converted to a percentage/population.

Here, England&Wales vs Sweden


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but we will need to see the uk deaths from untreated [ non-covid] illnesses which will roll into next year [putting aside the ones that survive but still have a shortened lifespan from delayed treatment].

I anticipate that sweden will have fewer avoidable [non covid] deaths moving forward because they didn't reserve their health service [ part of a lockdown] as covid only as we did in the uk, those figures aren't available yet, We need an independent enquiry to judge how the uk govt managed the virus and what the affects were of their lockdown

 

[Harry_BKK]

Not sure if here or the wtf thread

That was Mr T's perfect Mussolini/Hitler moment and the MAGA crowd went into hyperdrive, just like some 80 years ago.

Also this

 

[Harry_BKK]

but we will need to see the uk deaths from untreated [ non-covid] illnesses which will roll into next year [putting aside the ones that survive but still have a shortened lifespan from delayed treatment].

I anticipate that sweden will have fewer avoidable [non covid] deaths moving forward because they didn't reserve their health service [ part of a lockdown] as covid only as we did in the uk, those figures aren't available yet, We need an independent enquiry to judge how the uk govt managed the virus and what the affects were of their lockdown

Mack, one more time.....nevermind, I just copy what I said earlier. Maybe you missed it.

Before you start, yes, there might have been a percentage of people who died because they could not be treated for other diseases. But, we also have lower death rates due to lower traffic, pubs closed etc. We could now start counting beans, but let's just say the two cancel each other out.

 

[mack341]

You don't know how bad it is, nobody knows.

What we do know is that it has the potential to leave lasting damage.

Would you be OK if in a few decades it turns out that it shortened your life by 10 or 20 years because of the damage it has done to your lungs or heart? Would it still be acceptable for you?

Geez mack, when will you open your ears and eyes? Maybe reading the history of the 1918 pandemic will help you to get a better understanding.

Here's an interesting nugget how the MAGA sycophants see their idol. Reading what you write about Mr T lately I am inclined to add you to this fan group.

FYI, she's saying the president developed all the therapeutics etc. The delusion among these people is humongous.

I won't reply and argue about the covid points, having been reading twitter tonight the whole thing is starting to make my blood boil [from a uk perspective this is] and I don't want to vent.

I appreciate the humour in bold though and I'm looking forward to the next debate, the pence/harris one is on tomorrow but the next trump biden one should be good fireworks!

 

[dionysus]

the pence/harris one is on tomorrow

debate I'd wager, worth watching

 

[mack341]

Mack, one more time.....nevermind, I just copy what I said earlier. Maybe you missed it.

Before you start, yes, there might have been a percentage of people who died because they could not be treated for other diseases. But, we also have lower death rates due to lower traffic, pubs closed etc. We could now start counting beans, but let's just say the two cancel each other out.

yes I see what you mean, but I wouldn't class avoidable deaths from illnesses that can be treated, with accidents/acts of god; the person with cancer type symptoms has basically been told by the uk govt 'wait'...and so I suspect there's a lot more drawn out suffering involved than from an unexpected fatal accident/incident

You could also say that the lockdown has led to more suicides, domestic abuse situations etc..

It has to be said the drop in crime probably is a side benefit from the lockdown, hard drugs etc..have probably been harder to import, burglaries and night attacks down as most people are indoors, I can accept some aspects of a lockdown but they've gone too far in the uk by shutting down the health service and businesses, that is going to have a massive damaging affect.

 

[Harry_BKK]

yes I see what you mean, but I wouldn't class avoidable deaths from illnesses that can be treated, with accidents/acts of god; the person with cancer type symptoms has basically been told by the uk govt 'wait'...I suspect there's a lot more drawn out suffering involved than from an unexpected fatal accident/incident

You could also say that the lockdown has led to more suicides, domestic abuse situations etc..

It has to be said the drop in crime probably is a side benefit from the lockdown, hard drugs etc..have probably been harder to import, burglaries and night attacks down as most people are indoors, I can accept some aspects of a lockdown but they've gone too far in the uk by shutting down the health service and businesses, that is going to have a massive damaging affect.

Geez mack.

Shall we measure the reduction in cancer cases because of less pollution during a lockdown? Or maybe, the reduction in alchohol-related illnesses due to pubs being closed?

The excess death rate gives you a very clear picture

 

[Harry_BKK]

Tic-Toc, Tic-Toc

I think Las Vegas has a bet on for how many will have been infected at the Morona Party in the WH.

 

[dionysus]

Stats, graphs, measurements...and worse, political conspiracies.

But how can ANYONE, honestly, believe, the WORLD, with their disparate policies parties and agendas, whom agree..TIMES ARE BAD...not agree...times are bloody bad?

biggest, weird-ass tween social media 'head-shake'

 

[mack341]

Geez mack.

Shall we measure the reduction in cancer cases because of less pollution during a lockdown? Or maybe, the reduction in alchohol-related illnesses due to pubs being closed?

The excess death rate gives you a very clear picture

Geez harry do you think they had to stop all cancer screening and treatment as part of a lockdown, or could they have set aside hospital facilities/services and kept them separate? So as to prevent as many avoidable deaths, illnesses/diseases that have effective treatment available.

It's no good saying it's alright those cancer suffering or heart disease patients dying because we haven't had as many victims of car crashes, and it balances out the overall total people had paid their tax and were entitled to essential tests and treatment, to my mind, it was the govt's duty to find a way and they failed. [or worse didn't care]

This set of circumstances may not apply to germany, finland or wherever they manage things better, it applies to the UK's govt's policy of locking down the NHS.

edit: long term stress is also a well known contributing factor for all sorts of illnesses, the uk version of lockdown massively increased stress levels.

 

[dionysus]

I..nearly...wished we shared philosophies @mack341 because, at least, I appreciate, you express them well (well, minus essay style )

 

[Harry_BKK]

Geez harry do you think they had to stop all cancer screening and treatment as part of a lockdown, or could they have set aside hospital facilities/services and kept them separate? So as to prevent as many avoidable deaths, illnesses/diseases that have effective treatment available.

It's no good saying it's alright those cancer suffering or heart disease patients dying because we haven't had as many victims of car crashes, and it balances out the overall total people had paid their tax and were entitled to essential tests and treatment, to my mind, it was the govt's duty to find a way and they failed.

This set of circumstances may not apply to germany, finland or wherever they manage things better, it applies to the UK's govt's policy of locking down the NHS.

edit: long term stress is also a well known contributing factor for all sorts of illnesses, the uk version of lockdown massively increased stress levels.

Maybe I should have informed myself what indeed happened in the UK. Have to admit that I did not read whether they indeed stopped all other treatments because of Covid.

Did they really stop any and all medical procedures not related to Covid-19? Hard to believe mack. If so, then it is another complete folly of your dear Mr B.

E.g. in Singapore they installed airtight gates between departments, so, I don't know why the UK could not do that. Is the NHS that thinly equipped?

Anything and everything in this universe has two sides. Same goes for Covid-19 lockdowns. It will have some sort of affect on other things, in some countries more while in others less. The problem with Covid-19 is that it has to be stopped as it will just keep spreading and worse, mutating to adapt to medications that work now.

The 1918 pandemic lasted about 2 years, so we are now about 1/4 in if we will follow that trajectory. This won't be over so soon. The upside is that therapeutics are more advanced today as we have a better understanding of viruses. Plus, a vaccine is more probable to be effective today than it was over 100 years ago.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@mack341

Here's a nugget from yesterday's DHS (led by some of the best Mr T sycophants) report for your Antifa, BLM, libruls, lefties arguments.

 

[dionysus]

@mack341

Here's a nugget from yesterday's DHS (led by Mr T sycophants) report for your Antifa, BLM, libruls, lefties arguments.

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heres a thing
WS (white supremacists) sadly (?) arent just about 'whiteness' but about anti- 'themness' with a ....cough...sponsor/voice with a HUGE platform

anti white
anti immigation
antI LGBT (enter ya own letters)
anti trans
anti left
anti WHATEVER WE ARENT''

 

[mack341]

This is a further aspect of the economic affects of the lockdown, as played out in the UK, this chart shows a 13.4% greater GDP loss compared to sweden, 21.7% in total, that's likely to cause long term effects on many people's lives far more than the virus.

[Yet other countries using a lockdown, like germany, still fared better by 10%]

 

[mack341]

Maybe I should have informed myself what indeed happened in the UK. Have to admit that I did not read whether they indeed stopped all other treatments because of Covid.

Did they really stop any and all medical procedures not related to Covid-19? Hard to believe mack. If so, then it is another complete folly of your dear Mr B.

E.g. in Singapore they installed airtight gates between departments, so, I don't know why the UK could not do that. Is the NHS that thinly equipped?

Anything and everything in this universe has two sides. Same goes for Covid-19 lockdowns. It will have some sort of affect on other things, in some countries more while in others less. The problem with Covid-19 is that it has to be stopped as it will just keep spreading and worse, mutating to adapt to medications that work now.

The 1918 pandemic lasted about 2 years, so we are now about 1/4 in if we will follow that trajectory. This won't be over so soon. The upside is that therapeutics are more advanced today as we have a better understanding of viruses. Plus, a vaccine is more probable to be effective today than it was over 100 years ago.

I think this could be part of it, lockdown as experienced where you are in and near singapore, is probably totally different to the uk. More advanced technology wise, singapore as I understand it, is basically a city state so it has to get it right [well organised and planned] with such a high population density. And I think you mentioned before learnt from the previous SARs or swineflu.

Just looking up about the NHS service lockdown on the lancet website, I'm pretty sure tests and screening were stopped and also surgeries & operations put back.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Maybe I should have informed myself what indeed happened in the UK. Have to admit that I did not read whether they indeed stopped all other treatments because of Covid.

Did they really stop any and all medical procedures not related to Covid-19? Hard to believe mack. If so, then it is another complete folly of your dear Mr B.

E.g. in Singapore they installed airtight gates between departments, so, I don't know why the UK could not do that. Is the NHS that thinly equipped?

Anything and everything in this universe has two sides. Same goes for Covid-19 lockdowns. It will have some sort of affect on other things, in some countries more while in others less. The problem with Covid-19 is that it has to be stopped as it will just keep spreading and worse, mutating to adapt to medications that work now.

In Belgium we had to stop some medical procedures at the height of the first wave but a bunch of hospitals were able to divide it up and kept going. The biggest problem wasn't that there was no room left but the fact that staff had to be brought in from other departments. Now in the second wave they're trying to keep everything open, we'll see how that goes.

The 1918 pandemic lasted about 2 years, so we are now about 1/4 in if we will follow that trajectory. This won't be over so soon. The upside is that therapeutics are more advanced today as we have a better understanding of viruses. Plus, a vaccine is more probable to be effective today than it was over 100 years ago.

Too bad people are still as stupid? Everyone going on holiday during the summer "because they could" and now we see a significant part of the new cases are people who went on holiday or to visit family abroad, and then it spread from there.

 

[dionysus]

Too bad people are still as stupid?

FTR i read the post
but
the world will never run out of 'stupid'

and sometimes, yes, yes....thats ok


its the willfully ignorant do my head in

 

[cncas2123]

Since when is over 200,000 deaths so far this year far less lethal than up to 100,000 deaths in a year from flu? Mr Smartest President in the world ever I think you need to go back to maths class.
Seen a poll today where Biden is 19 points ahead, and again I hope this bears true so that Trump is consigned to history ( and a very long jail sentence).

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but figures have been issued by the CDC that show flu deaths in the last 5 years combined in the US are LESS than the current COVID-19 deaths in the US.
That’s some flu Mr President, you’re doing a great job.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This is a further aspect of the economic affects of the lockdown, as played out in the UK, this chart shows a 13.4% greater GDP loss compared to sweden, 21.7% in total, that's likely to cause long term effects on many people's lives far more than the virus.

[Yet other countries using a lockdown, like germany, still fared better by 10%]


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I see it mainly from this aspect.

Many moderate and the absolute majority of severe cases seem to suffer from long term damage to one or more vital organs, e.g. heart, lung. Now, let's say by the end of the pandemic we will have had 100 - 150 million cases.

What if a good part will die 10-20 years earlier than normal due to the damage? Or even earlier? What will be the extra cost to treat them throughout their lives?

I think a relatively short dip in GDP which takes us down maybe to the 2010 - 2015 level is still far better than the other option.

As for the discrepancies in the GDP dip, I think that it depends very much on the country leadership and how they handled the pandemic. Plus, what kind of social security provisions they have in place. In Germany, companies can put workers on "reduced hours" (Kurzarbeitergeld) which can be zero and the difference to their full wage is paid by the government for up to 12 months. The main advantages are that people still have money to spend and that they can be called back to work at a short notice.

 

[mack341]

I see it mainly from this aspect.

Many moderate and the absolute majority of severe cases seem to suffer from long term damage to one or more vital organs, e.g. heart, lung. Now, let's say by the end of the pandemic we will have had 100 - 150 million cases.

What if a good part will die 10-20 years earlier than normal due to the damage? Or even earlier? What will be the extra cost to treat them throughout their lives?

I think a relatively short dip in GDP which takes us down maybe to the 2010 - 2015 level is still far better than the other option.

As for the discrepancies in the GDP dip, I think that it depends very much on the country leadership and how they handled the pandemic. Plus, what kind of social security provisions they have in place. In Germany, companies can put workers on "reduced hours" (Kurzarbeitergeld) which can be zero and the difference to their full wage is paid by the government for up to 12 months. The main advantages are that people still have money to spend and that they can be called back to work at a short notice.

The thing is we'd never have shutdown on that basis, only the rate of deaths, sure I can see it becomes part of the analysis/calculation for taking further measures from now on, but if the death rates are now minimal statistically - zero deaths from covid in london yesterday - I don't think it justifies another March style lockdown, and the NHS system ought to be back up and running fully if the hospitalisation rates are low.

The GDP measurement is a blunt tool for assessing the economic damage, I'm sure germany has managed the economic side better than the uk govt, I see one of the recent football matches there let in about 11,000 fans, whereas we're still not letting in anyone as far as I can tell.

This is a recent pic of life in stockholm, it just looks normal, so if they can achieve this why can't the uk??

 

[Kroffe]

The thing is we'd never have shutdown on that basis, only the rate of deaths, sure I can see it becomes part of the analysis/calculation for taking further measures from now on, but if the death rates are now minimal statistically - zero deaths from covid in london yesterday - I don't think it justifies another March style lockdown, and the NHS system ought to be back up and running fully if the hospitalisation rates are low.

The GDP measurement is a blunt tool for assessing the economic damage, I'm sure germany has managed the economic side better than the uk govt, I see one of the recent football matches there let in about 11,000 fans, whereas we're still not letting in anyone as far as I can tell.

This is a recent pic of life in stockholm, it just looks normal, so if they can achieve this why can't the uk??

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But people living that far south in Sweden are not right in the head.
This is a pic from where i live, see, not a single person visible in the photo.

 

[Kroffe]

That is actually where i live, tho the picture is not recent.
But the amount of people seen outside is the same since its fall and rainy&windy most days.
You can see how high i had to jump to take the picture...if not for the water breaking my fall i would probably have sprained an ankle landing, so not doing that again.

This is where my house lives, and one of the places i keep my yacht at.
Not included in picture are all my sport cars and helicopters.

 

[dionysus]

pfft, yachts, sportscars and helicopters.
I hear the Charmin bears have jets; youre just the po' country cousin bear, huh

 

[Kroffe]

pfft, yachts, sportscars and helicopters.
I hear the Charmin bears have jets; youre just the po' country cousin bear, huh

No, im Pooh, the country cousin.
This is Po.