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Obamagate is this election year’s hillary emails.

he will be chanting lock him up at the rallies, if they’re dumb enough to hold them but I’m guessing they will be. Eric trump says coronavirus is a dem hoax to keep his father from having rallies. Yep. The virus has ravaged the rest of the world but yes it’s all about the USA and the Dems. You can’t even make this stuff up.

Trump not leading in any of the polls so They will throw everything out there to see what sticks. One big machine.

It’s like the entire GOP gets the morning memo with all the talking points and they go out into the media
And just take it over. And they conflate, confuse, misinform and cherry pick just enough truth for the sound bytes. Must admit once you look at it from this POV it is quite fascinating to watch at work.
 
Today's highlight from the most tremendous Twilight Zone, by far! :D

China, Obama, Democrats etc didn't work, now it's the CDC's turn to get the blame. Wonder if this will stick. They are getting really desperate with their "...anyone but Mr T" blame strategy. :rolleyes:



Although, they just never seem to agree on the message as moments later:



Just hilarious and a perfect showcase of the chaos. :D
 
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Harry_BKK said:
Today's highlight from the most tremendous Twilight Zone, by far! :D

China, Obama, Democrats etc didn't work, now it the CDC's turn to get the blame. Wonder if this will stick. They are getting really desperate with their "...anyone but Mr T" blame strategy. :rolleyes:



Although, they just never seem to agree on the message as moments later:



Just hilarious and a perfect showcase of the chaos. :D
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Has Mr Trump forgot that he is the man at the top and it’s his responsibility to oversee this?
It beggars belief that he’s still saying it’s Obama’s fault that the reserves were empty when the pandemic came but he seems to forget he was in charge of it for the last few years.
It’s just sad his base are too blinkered to see through him.
 
cncas2123 said:
Has Mr Trump forgot that he is the man at the top and it’s his responsibility to overlook this?
It beggars belief that he’s still saying it’s Obama’s fault that the reserves were empty when the pandemic came but he seems to forget he was in charge of it for the last few years.
It’s just sad his base are too blinkered to see through him.
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Oh, the Chosen One has been and always will be completely faultless. You can google the presser with the latest secretary who promised to never lie and did just that in every press conference. This time she walked in with two binders, trying to sell them as Mr T's pandemic handbooks. The best pandemic handbooks in the history of the country, by far. :rolleyes:

Only that one is from FEMA that originally had a completely different name as it was about biohazards (you can see it on the pic, they just quickly changed the title text) and the second is a report from the pandemic exercise they had in 2019. Not a single iota from Mr T and the best part, she never opens the binders, could have been just empty pages.

They know very well that they are lying straight into the face of the American people on national TV and have no problems whatsoever doing it.

Starts at 15:00

 
Harry_BKK said:
Today's highlight from the most tremendous Twilight Zone, by far! :D

China, Obama, Democrats etc didn't work, now it's the CDC's turn to get the blame. Wonder if this will stick. They are getting really desperate with their "...anyone but Mr T" blame strategy. :rolleyes:



Although, they just never seem to agree on the message as moments later:



Just hilarious and a perfect showcase of the chaos. :D
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I can feel a tweet coming in the near future, it'll go a little something like this:
"I want to thank Secretary Azar for his time as HHS secretary. I never really knew him anyway, I always thought he was the one bringing coffee and cookies at our Chinese Virus meetings."
 
Harry_BKK said:
Oh, the Chosen One has been and always will be completely faultless. You can google the presser with the latest secretary who promised to never lie and did just that in every press conference. This time she walked in with two binders, trying to sell them as Mr T's pandemic handbooks. The best pandemic handbooks in the history of the country, by far. :rolleyes:

Only that one is from FEMA that originally had a completely different name as it was about biohazards (you can see it on the pic, they just quickly changed the title text) and the second is a report from the pandemic exercise they had in 2019. Not a single iota from Mr T and the best part, she never opens the binders, could have been just empty pages.

They know very well that they are lying straight into the face of the American people on national TV and have no problems whatsoever doing it.

Starts at 15:00

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"The CDC issued just six pages of guidance for schools, businesses and restaurants as they try to reopen – down from the 63-page CDC guidance the Trump admin shelved. "

That's 57 pages gone, guess they weren't important.
 
sufferinsilence said:
"The CDC issued just six pages of guidance for schools, businesses and restaurants as they try to reopen – down from the 63-page CDC guidance the Trump admin shelved. "

That's 57 pages gone, guess they weren't important.
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Before the latest Obamagate became the "biggest scandal in US history, by far", Faux News designated so many of them in 8 years as the biggest yet - Umbrellagate, Pingate, Date NightGate, Bowgate, Dijon Mustardgate....... take your pick! :D

Have to tag @mack341 and ask him specifically whether he still thinks the media is treating Mr T as badly as he thinks. :rolleyes: :D

 
Back to the subject of the thread. :D

Just getting ready to review a new NetEnt game, rather interesting slot with some good mechanics and features but quite low volatility and win potential. Anyway, checking the win frequency I discovered the first time a value that goes into the trillions of spins for a 5,000x bet win. :D

What is NetEnt thinking, I will be around in 200 years to witness the 1.9 trillion spins? :rolleyes:

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Harry_BKK said:
Back to the subject of the thread. :D

Just getting ready to review a new NetEnt game, rather interesting slot with some good mechanics and features but quite low volatility and win potential. Anyway, checking the win frequency I discovered the first time a value that goes into the trillions of spins for a 5,000x bet win. :D

What is NetEnt thinking, I will be around in 200 years to witness the 1.9 trillion spins? :rolleyes:

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They’ve just stolen that frequency from Bonanza

When my consciousness is uploaded, I’m going to kick the hamster off the wheel and start firing out 5000x winners to everyone on their first spin
 
vorcirion said:
The middle one is currently taking HCQ. Guess the virus inside the WH freaked him out :p

edit: Okay maybe he isn't since that info came from Trump himself. Then I wonder why he's still advertising it.
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cncas2123 said:
I have to ask the question - does anyone really think that if there was the slightest benefit in treating patients with HCQ Trump would be staying silent on the subject?
If it worked in any way he would be shouting at every news conference that he had found the drug to beat Covid. For me the fact that it’s not mentioned by him or his cohorts at any briefing speaks volumes on the worth of the drug.
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Looks like he's now taking it as a preventative, alongside zinq [and an initial dose of azithromycin] :

 
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vorcirion said:
The middle one is currently taking HCQ. Guess the virus inside the WH freaked him out :p

edit: Okay maybe he isn't since that info came from Trump himself. Then I wonder why he's still advertising it.
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He is always freaked out as he is known to be a hysterical germaphobe.

And unsurprisingly, his doctor released a memo just hours after. He didn't when Mr T supposedly started taking HCQ but magically wrote up a memo at the same time when Mr T blurted it out on TV. :rolleyes:

The only reason is that Mr T is desperately trying to prove he was right with regards to HCQ. That's is one of his traits, he has to be always right. The memo actually does not confirm that he is taking it, plus, you would expect some kind of daily dose to be mentioned as well.

However, I am rather convinced that he is not taking it and this is just another CON FROM THE DON to give himself a perceived win against the scientists. Especially, against Dr Bright who criticized him.

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I hope it's Skittles... because Nancy Pelosi fears for his life:

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TBH, it would be great if HCQ worked and we could put this nonsense behind us. So far, there has been absolute confusion, some say yes, some say no.

Any peer-reviewed trial results say NO, so I'll go with that.

Two big studies are about to be published after being peer reviewed, one from Italy and one from the US, where they did double-blind trials HCQ, HCQ+Zinc and HCQ+Zinc+Z-Pac.
 
Mr T throwing another temper tantrum and writing an angry letter to the WHO with a myriad of lies, misrepresentations, partial quotes without showing the entire sentence or context, accusations and most of all, blatant ommissions on the timeline where it suits his narrative.

Everybody can fact-check this in a minute, he doesn't care. Lying through his teeth till the end of the world. :rolleyes:

 
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mack341 said:
Looks like he's now taking it as a preventative, alongside zinq [and an initial dose of azithromycin] :

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This is so dangerous and proves that this man should never be President .
No doubt the base will be put now sourcing HCQ and self treating and no
mack341 said:
Looks like he's now taking it as a preventative, alongside zinq [and an initial dose of azithromycin] :

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i think I’ll wait until a real Doctor tells me it’s beneficial to take before I rush to get some.....
 
cavuto:

“If you are taking this as a preventative treatment to ward off the virus, or in a worst-case scenario you are dealing with the virus and you are in this vulnerable population, it will kill you. I cannot stress that enough. This will kill you.”

What a load of fear mongering BS; laura ingraham said yesterday the leaflet insert for the drug doesn't even mention the need for cardiac testing, as drugs go it's pretty safe. Any drug will cause harm if you take it in too high a dose. Chloroquine as Harry mentioned before has more side effects than the hydroxy version as well.

Putting aside Trump's view and use of it, the whole media and pharma reaction to it is bizarre, hasty dismissiveness to something that could help, and many doctors using it anecdotally believe is helping, countries that are using it also have lower death rates than countries not.

These are the fatality rates of the various regions of france and notice marseille with the use of HCQ has the lowest death rate by far:

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That to me looks promising and in vitro studies have shown it to inhibit covid 19 [sars coV 2]
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Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

...In some patients it has been reported that their immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus results in an increase of cytokines interleukin (IL)-6 and IL-10 [13, 28]. This may progress to a cytokine storm, followed by multiorgan failure and potentially death. Both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have immunomodulatory effects and can suppress the increase of immune factors [29, 30]. Bearing this in mind, it is possible that early treatment with either of the drugs may help prevent the progression of the disease to a critical, lifethreatening state. [So quite the opposite to what Cavuto is claiming]

In critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 the use of corticosteroids may be harmful however, the use of immunosuppressants (eg, tocilizumab) is not ideal either as they can suppress the immune system and lead to an increased risk of infection In this setting, hydroxychloroquine may be an ideal drug to treat SARS-CoV-2 infection as it can inhibit the virus via its antiviral effects and help mediate the cytokine storm via its immunomodulatory effects. Based on work conducted in our laboratory, we recommend the concomitant use of low-dose hydroxychloroquine with an anti-inflammatory drug to help mitigate the cytokine storm in critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2
 
mack341 said:
cavuto:

“If you are taking this as a preventative treatment to ward off the virus, or in a worst-case scenario you are dealing with the virus and you are in this vulnerable population, it will kill you. I cannot stress that enough. This will kill you.”

What a load of fear mongering BS; laura ingraham said yesterday the leaflet insert for the drug doesn't even mention the need for cardiac testing, as drugs go it's pretty safe. Any drug will cause harm if you take it in too high a dose. Chloroquine as Harry mentioned before has more side effects than the hydroxy version as well.

Putting aside Trump's view and use of it, the whole media and pharma reaction to it is bizarre, hasty dismissiveness to something that could help, and many doctors using it anecdotally believe is helping, countries that are using it also have lower death rates than countries not.

These are the fatality rates of the various regions of france and notice marseille with the use of HCQ has the lowest death rate by far:

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That to me looks promising and in vitro studies have shown it to inhibit covid 19 [sars coV 2]
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Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

...In some patients it has been reported that their immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus results in an increase of cytokines interleukin (IL)-6 and IL-10 [13, 28]. This may progress to a cytokine storm, followed by multiorgan failure and potentially death. Both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have immunomodulatory effects and can suppress the increase of immune factors [29, 30]. Bearing this in mind, it is possible that early treatment with either of the drugs may help prevent the progression of the disease to a critical, lifethreatening state. [So quite the opposite to what Cavuto is claiming]

In critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 the use of corticosteroids may be harmful however, the use of immunosuppressants (eg, tocilizumab) is not ideal either as they can suppress the immune system and lead to an increased risk of infection In this setting, hydroxychloroquine may be an ideal drug to treat SARS-CoV-2 infection as it can inhibit the virus via its antiviral effects and help mediate the cytokine storm via its immunomodulatory effects. Based on work conducted in our laboratory, we recommend the concomitant use of low-dose hydroxychloroquine with an anti-inflammatory drug to help mitigate the cytokine storm in critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2
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What's so weird about media's reaction? Unless you're talking about Fox that is :P It's highly irresponsible to start advertising any kind of unproven drugs to different illnesses. If people start dying 'cause of HCQ, their families should be able to sue Fox imo.
Where do you take your medical advice from? From Fox/Trump? Or from likeminded people? Or maybe from a doctor? If you think HCQ is so useful then why you don't take it too just like Trump?

Even if this part is correct: "Based on work conducted in our laboratory, we recommend the concomitant use of low-dose hydroxychloroquine with an anti-inflammatory drug to help mitigate the cytokine storm in critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2"...then why Trump is taking the drug (if he really is)? He's not critically ill, he's just stupid.
 
Kroffe said:
Bold move to continue posting political crap even tho i said it was not allowed on my birthday.
Today is not my birthday, but it could have been.

Dio has promised to ban anyone doing it.
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FYI, all promises to the bear were made in crayon, on napkins, in emojis :P
 
mack341 said:
cavuto:

“If you are taking this as a preventative treatment to ward off the virus, or in a worst-case scenario you are dealing with the virus and you are in this vulnerable population, it will kill you. I cannot stress that enough. This will kill you.”

What a load of fear mongering BS; laura ingraham said yesterday the leaflet insert for the drug doesn't even mention the need for cardiac testing, as drugs go it's pretty safe. Any drug will cause harm if you take it in too high a dose. Chloroquine as Harry mentioned before has more side effects than the hydroxy version as well.

Putting aside Trump's view and use of it, the whole media and pharma reaction to it is bizarre, hasty dismissiveness to something that could help, and many doctors using it anecdotally believe is helping, countries that are using it also have lower death rates than countries not.

These are the fatality rates of the various regions of france and notice marseille with the use of HCQ has the lowest death rate by far:

View attachment 131873
That to me looks promising and in vitro studies have shown it to inhibit covid 19 [sars coV 2]
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.


Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

...In some patients it has been reported that their immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus results in an increase of cytokines interleukin (IL)-6 and IL-10 [13, 28]. This may progress to a cytokine storm, followed by multiorgan failure and potentially death. Both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have immunomodulatory effects and can suppress the increase of immune factors [29, 30]. Bearing this in mind, it is possible that early treatment with either of the drugs may help prevent the progression of the disease to a critical, lifethreatening state. [So quite the opposite to what Cavuto is claiming]

In critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 the use of corticosteroids may be harmful however, the use of immunosuppressants (eg, tocilizumab) is not ideal either as they can suppress the immune system and lead to an increased risk of infection In this setting, hydroxychloroquine may be an ideal drug to treat SARS-CoV-2 infection as it can inhibit the virus via its antiviral effects and help mediate the cytokine storm via its immunomodulatory effects. Based on work conducted in our laboratory, we recommend the concomitant use of low-dose hydroxychloroquine with an anti-inflammatory drug to help mitigate the cytokine storm in critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2
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Mack, again, nobody denies that there could be or is an anecdotal benefit. Both are known anti-viral drugs and as such are designed to inhibit viral reproduction.

You still need confirmation though, rolling it out just like that could have dire consequences.

And what hasty media/pharma reaction? Your seeing again the "deep state" in action? Everyone says it would be great to have it be THE THING but it needs to be proven and safe. Once that is established, it will be widely used, until then it is all anecdotal, nothing more.

It boggles my mind that you think anyone in the media or any other company is happy with these lockdowns. :rolleyes:
 
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vorcirion said:
What's so weird about media's reaction? Unless you're talking about Fox that is :p It's highly irresponsible to start advertising any kind of unproven drugs to different illnesses. If people start dying 'cause of HCQ, their families should be able to sue Fox imo.
Where do you take your medical advice from? From Fox/Trump? Or from likeminded people? Or maybe from a doctor? If you think HCQ is so useful then why you don't take it too just like Trump?

Even if this part is correct: "Based on work conducted in our laboratory, we recommend the concomitant use of low-dose hydroxychloroquine with an anti-inflammatory drug to help mitigate the cytokine storm in critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2"...then why Trump is taking the drug (if he really is)? He's not critically ill, he's just stupid.
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Possibly:

Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

It's as a precaution with those staffers coming down with it, this virus has a 14 day incubation period. He might be getting tested everyday as well. And he is taking zinq, you can't blame him, he's over 70 and people claim he's obese so he's in the risk category for fatality.

The media's reaction looks coordinated, the evidence is not all against this drug but they have an agenda to only focus on the negative studies which as trump pointed out with the veteran's one they were very ill [ effectively on their death bed ] when the HQC was given, perhaps it works best before the cytokine storm occurs.

Why do the media want to jump the gun and bury this possible treatment [not 100% cure], they are not being even handed about it IMO.
 
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dionysus said:
damn, I had a ban hammer; and for some sad, drunken reason, cuddling an oversized honey pot


grrr, those damned bears
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I will mark the accounts that are up for a ban with a piecake on the day of doom.
I expect justice to be carried out.
 
Kroffe said:
I will mark the accounts that are up for a ban with a piecake on the day of doom.
I expect justice to be carried out.
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Justice should be served, not merely carried out; it makes it sound more menacing.

Unless you’re posh and the Butler tells you suppers being served.
 
mack341 said:
Possibly:

Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

It's as a precaution with those staffers coming down with it, this virus has a 14 day incubation period. He might be getting tested everyday as well. And he is taking zinq, you can't blame him, he's over 70 and people claim he's obese so he's in the risk category for fatality.

The media's reaction looks co-ordinated, the evidence is not all against this drug but they have an agenda to only focus on the negative studies which as trump pointed out with the veteran's one they were very ill [ effectively on their death bed ] when the HQC was given, perhaps it works best before the cytokine storm occurs.

Why do the media want to jump the gun and bury this possible treatment [not 100% cure], they are not being even handed about it IMO.
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Because it's an unproven drug! If media does like Fox or Trump then people start taking the drug. Just like they started calling to doctors about injecting bleach under the skin. I'm glad they actually called about that before they did it. But people are dumb...media shouldn't tell them what to do medically...they might actually do it without talking to doctors!
It's much better to be really cautious with these things instead of being like: "Hey try this drug! And this! Maybe some of this too! Might work!". There are too many negative side effects and possibly death too. But if Trump wants to shove all those pills in his face then he's free to do so.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Justice should be served, not merely carried out; it makes it sound more menacing.

Unless you’re posh and the Butler tells you suppers being served.
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No no, Since its my birthday, cake will be served, and justice carried out.
Hot justice and lightly chilled cake.

Because you know what they say in battlestar space wars...
 
mack341 said:
Possibly:

Results from the in vitro study showed that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have good antiviral activity. Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were found to decrease the viral replication in a concentration-dependent manner

It's as a precaution with those staffers coming down with it, this virus has a 14 day incubation period. He might be getting tested everyday as well. And he is taking zinq, you can't blame him, he's over 70 and people claim he's obese so he's in the risk category for fatality.

The media's reaction looks coordinated, the evidence is not all against this drug but they have an agenda to only focus on the negative studies which as trump pointed out with the veteran's one they were very ill [ effectively on their death bed ] when the HQC was given, perhaps it works best before the cytokine storm occurs.

Why do the media want to jump the gun and bury this possible treatment [not 100% cure], they are not being even handed about it IMO.
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There is no evidence from any trial or peer assessed study that shows any benefits of taking these drugs to ward off Covid.
There may be evidence in the future when controlled trials and studies have been carried out , so it’s totally irresponsible to promote this as either a potential cure or preventative .
If it was either big Pharma wouldn’t be searching for a vaccine and investing billions to find one, they would simply ramp up production of this and let the world carry on about its business, and they would carry on selling their drugs .
Which part of this has anything to do with deep state or media hysteria????
 
Harry_BKK said:
Mr T throwing another temper tantrum and writing an angry letter to the WHO with a myriad of lies, misrepresentations, partial quotes without showing the entire sentence or context, accusations and most of all, blatant ommissions on the timeline where it suits his narrative.

Everybody can fact-check this in a minute, he doesn't care. Lying through his teeth till the end of the world. :rolleyes:

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Quoting now my own post but just wanted to show the blatant lies coming from DON THE CON. :rolleyes:

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I really don't get it, if anyone has access to information it would be the US government, yet they deliberately lie to the moon and back on such a serious issue.

If the WHO did wrong, then all members should get together and do something after this pandemic has been brought under control. Writing such letters where they blatantly lie will only make other countries mistrust any information whatsoever that is coming from the US. I don't know how that can be in the interest of the US, something the Chosen One keeps repeating to be his mantra. :rolleyes:



The other day, he and his press sec were bragging how Mr T instructed to start development on a vaccine on 11th Jan. If you look at his timeline in the letter, how on earth was that possible? First saying they were not informed that it was a danger, but he started vaccine development on 11th Jan? :confused:
 
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