North Korea and US politics

[pinnit2014]

I was watching the original Chucky last night; that’s more disconcerting.

But strangely hypnotic.

 

[ternur]

I think it should be apparent by now, that Potus has advisors that don't swing from Big Pharma's purse strings.
I don't understand why folks cling to the belief that Potus is stupid. I don't see him as the most intelligent man in government, but he is definitely smart enough to surround himself with folks that are in the top of their fields. I mean... why else would he let Globalist Fauci stand shoulder to elbow with the VP on the *Covid 19 task force thingie.

*I'm too lazy to look up the proper title. Stop judging me!

Like Ivanka and Jared?

 

[Mouche12]

... and like

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, the government's top vaccine expert (because he questioned Trump's fake science)?

 

[sufferinsilence]

To conservatives/Trump supporters:
Has the time come to dump Trump? Maybe replace him with someone more moderate candidate. Even Fox's polls show him losing in about every battleground state (Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida). And the Wisconsin situation certainly didn't help the republicans as can be seen from their last election. If this keeps going on, the democrats will control every branch of government.

In a leaked memo how Republicans should react when they are questioned about the coronavirus it stipulates they shouldn't defend anything Trump says but rather go on the attack China and the CCP.

Says alot, no?

 

[vorcirion]

In a leaked memo how Republicans should react when they are questioned about the coronavirus it stipulates they shouldn't defend anything Trump says but rather go on the attack China and the CCP.

Says alot, no?

Yeah it's pretty hard to list Trump's accomplishments But what's CCP?
Fox has really started attacking Biden with some sex-assault allegations (like Trump doesn't have 19 or so of them + Kavanaugh). Let's see if Fox+Trump can stir up enough hate again to win.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yeah it's pretty hard to list Trump's accomplishments But what's CCP?
Fox has really started attacking Biden with some sex-assault allegations (like Trump doesn't have 19 or so of them + Kavanaugh). Let's see if Fox+Trump can stir up enough hate again to win.

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Well, apparently Biden likes to sniff young girls hair, or so I heard

 

[Kroffe]

If Trump wins the election he really needs to thank the person who told him to stop with the daily briefings.
2-3 more "cures" announced by Trump and all his voters would be hospitalised or dead.

 

[vorcirion]

If Trump wins the election he really needs to thank the person who told him to stop with the daily briefings.
2-3 more "cures" announced by Trump and all his voters would be hospitalised or dead.

He's taking questions now. Let's see if he comes up with anything

 

[sufferinsilence]

He's taking questions now. Let's see if he comes up with anything

He said he doesn't take responsibility for those that tried the bleach cure

 

[vorcirion]

He said he doesn't take responsibility for those that tried the bleach cure

No new cures :/ But all China's fault obviously.
Doctors nowhere to be seen...at least he didn't f**k up completely this time. Sticked to the message! Gotta hope Twitter offers more clarity on what he actually thinks.

 

[vorcirion]

I don't know why is he answering to himself on twitter:



At least he can have a conversation with someone on his level.

 

[dionysus]

such a stupid phrase
death...can often be much worse than the problem itself

 

[goatwack]

Why's he used a capital 'C' when writing cure? Is he blaming the band??

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[Steviedoo]

You've been manipulated into a belief that just doesn't hold water.


Let's get to the truth here. Trump didn't qualify his comment by saying anything about being married. That never happened. Koeffe added it. That changes things, now doesn't it? I don't think Koeffe did it on purpose or to mislead, but regardless, that is a consequence .

The specific incident included a discussion about Ivanka being on the COVER of a Playboy magazine. Trump said it would be very disappointing, but not really. It depended on what was INSIDE the magazine. If you watch it, you'll see that his gestures and body language are a large part of the way he communicates. We are all gifted with complex communication skills & we all depend on them to get our intended message across. The fact that people ignore these when it comes to Trump, is mind boggling. Literally all he was saying with that comment about dating her was that she certainly met the standard for being the subject of this type of magazine. You can't just ignore what his immediate response was. He said it would be disappointing. Everything after that was to validate his stance.

*How would he feel if she were on the Cover?

He'd be okay.

*Inside the mag?

He qualifies that she is suitable as the subject for this type of magazine.
He goes on waaaaay too much, but this isn't uncommon for anyone when a topic is uncomfortable.
None of this part of the conversation negates his true feeling. It would be disappointing.

This is not rocket science.

im not a fan as you know.
but I can see where he was going with this.
he was almost making fun of himself.
cuz we all know his love of dating models etc...

inappropriate. Yes.
creepy.....is this the only instance where he refers to his daughter in this way?

 

[Harry_BKK]

He said he doesn't take responsibility for those that tried the bleach cure

 

[Kelly Jo]

Trump is so stupid. UV light therapy. pfft...


So, is Kim Jong Un alive or nah?

 

[mack341]

From Ron Paul's website:

Next in Coronavirus Tyranny: Forced Vaccinations and 'Digital Certificates'

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Vaccines can improve health. For example, vaccines helped reduce the incidence of diseases like polio. But not all vaccines are safe and effective for all people. Furthermore, certain modern practices, such as giving infants multiple vaccines at one time, may cause health problems. The fact that vaccines may benefit some people, or even most people, does not justify government forcing individuals to be vaccinated. It also does not justify vaccinating children against their parents’ wishes. And it certainly does not justify keeping individuals and families in involuntary quarantine because they do not have “digital certificates” proving they have had their shots.

Proponents of mandatory vaccines and enhanced surveillance are trying to blackmail the American people by arguing that the lockdown cannot end unless we create a healthcare surveillance state and make vaccination mandatory. The growing number of Americans who are tired of not being able to go to work, school, or church, or even to take their children to a park because of government mandates should reject this “deal.” Instead, they should demand an immediate end to the lockdowns and the restoration of individual responsibility for deciding how best to protect their health.

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I tend to agree I don't think we should be looking to fundamentally change society for the long term due to a short term virus which has a death rate similar to a severe flu outbreak. [not at the moment, but once it's established how many people in total have had the virus in their system]

There are medicines being tested that look promising, the problem in the uk is we've not been using any, which in my view is terribly short sighted and unscientific, cruel on those who caught the virus but might have been willing to try established drugs that have passed safety tests for use in other illnesses, pepticAC, hydroxchloroquine etc..

People like Fauci argue that this virus will be with us for years but how do they know that for certain? Seems like more wishful thinking on their part than anything history has taught us regarding respiratory viruses.

 

[sufferinsilence]

From Ron Paul's website:

Next in Coronavirus Tyranny: Forced Vaccinations and 'Digital Certificates'

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Vaccines can improve health. For example, vaccines helped reduce the incidence of diseases like polio. But not all vaccines are safe and effective for all people. Furthermore, certain modern practices, such as giving infants multiple vaccines at one time, may cause health problems. The fact that vaccines may benefit some people, or even most people, does not justify government forcing individuals to be vaccinated. It also does not justify vaccinating children against their parents’ wishes. And it certainly does not justify keeping individuals and families in involuntary quarantine because they do not have “digital certificates” proving they have had their shots.

Proponents of mandatory vaccines and enhanced surveillance are trying to blackmail the American people by arguing that the lockdown cannot end unless we create a healthcare surveillance state and make vaccination mandatory. The growing number of Americans who are tired of not being able to go to work, school, or church, or even to take their children to a park because of government mandates should reject this “deal.” Instead, they should demand an immediate end to the lockdowns and the restoration of individual responsibility for deciding how best to protect their health.

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I tend to agree I don't think we should be looking to fundamentally change society for the long term due to a short term virus which has a death rate similar to a severe flu outbreak. [not at the moment, but once it's established how many people in total have had the virus in their system]

There are medicines being tested that look promising, the problem in the uk is we've not been using any, which in my view is terribly short sighted and unscientific, cruel on those who caught the virus but might have been willing to try established drugs that have passed safety tests for use in other illnesses, pepticAC, hydroxchloroquine etc..

People like Fauci argue that this virus will be with us for years but how do they know that for certain? Seems like more wishful thinking on their part than anything history has taught us regarding respiratory viruses.

I agree we should be looking at short term change of our society to get rid of the widespread circulation of this virus as fast as possible which means temporary stay-at-home orders should be followed. The whole world waited too long to act on the threat and now our implemented measures are taking much longer to lift. So basically the fact our society is so open and free has now turned against us.

Our doctors have been giving patients hydroxychloroquine, remdesivir and blood plasma as experimental treatments but mostly kept it quiet not to tout it as the wonder cure or to give people false hope. They kept it kinda low key, the press never really jumped on it and especially none of our top politicians have been advocating it.

Sadly I don't think it'll just go away overnight, one of the scenario's is that it'll mutate to a common cold virus within a couple of cycles. Do I hope it'll just go away? Hell yeah!

I think by the time a vaccine is really established and ready to be rolled out to the general population it's going to be 2022. If there's one by the end of this year the first doses will go to healthcare workers, "important" people and then the at-risk group of people. Basically by the time most of us get it it might not be useful anymore.

What I think is overlooked is to look for medication for so called mild cases. Right now all the drugs they're testing are for people who're very ill, and rightly so! But once the amount of severe cases goes down they should get to testing what they can give people who have a mild case so their spread of the virus goes down. If a person with a mild case is less contagious the amount of severe cases will go down too.

The WHO has advocated against giving people certificates that they're "safe". I think it's dangerous too. I don't think there'll ever be mandatory vaccinations for the whole worlds population for this virus.

Other than that, is Ron Paul looking to eradicate the Republican's voter base by advocating to rebel against the stay-at-home orders?

 

[vorcirion]

From Ron Paul's website:

Next in Coronavirus Tyranny: Forced Vaccinations and 'Digital Certificates'

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Vaccines can improve health. For example, vaccines helped reduce the incidence of diseases like polio. But not all vaccines are safe and effective for all people. Furthermore, certain modern practices, such as giving infants multiple vaccines at one time, may cause health problems. The fact that vaccines may benefit some people, or even most people, does not justify government forcing individuals to be vaccinated. It also does not justify vaccinating children against their parents’ wishes. And it certainly does not justify keeping individuals and families in involuntary quarantine because they do not have “digital certificates” proving they have had their shots.

Proponents of mandatory vaccines and enhanced surveillance are trying to blackmail the American people by arguing that the lockdown cannot end unless we create a healthcare surveillance state and make vaccination mandatory. The growing number of Americans who are tired of not being able to go to work, school, or church, or even to take their children to a park because of government mandates should reject this “deal.” Instead, they should demand an immediate end to the lockdowns and the restoration of individual responsibility for deciding how best to protect their health.

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I tend to agree I don't think we should be looking to fundamentally change society for the long term due to a short term virus which has a death rate similar to a severe flu outbreak. [not at the moment, but once it's established how many people in total have had the virus in their system]

There are medicines being tested that look promising, the problem in the uk is we've not been using any, which in my view is terribly short sighted and unscientific, cruel on those who caught the virus but might have been willing to try established drugs that have passed safety tests for use in other illnesses, pepticAC, hydroxchloroquine etc..

People like Fauci argue that this virus will be with us for years but how do they know that for certain? Seems like more wishful thinking on their part than anything history has taught us regarding respiratory viruses.

Has the flu gone anywhere? Nope...comes every year even with vaccinations etc. It's not like the cold rain brings the flu magically from the sky. So when thinking about probabilities...then yeah this virus will be with us for a long time (hopefully with vaccines so the elderly won't die 'cause of it).
Saying that it's wishful thinking that Fauci wants the virus stay in the population...it's like saying that the democrats want americans to die. Pretty trumpian I'd say!

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I'd say this has been quite educational time and we should learn from it. Having too relaxed systems during pandemics will kill more people. Letting idiots be idiots (and thus spreading the virus) is not a good idea...those who refuse to stay at home and go protest in groups should face consequences. Either jail time or big fines. They are a threat to the vulnerable population and they should be taught to follow orders from officials.

 

[Kelly Jo]

Gesus H...

 

[Kelly Jo]

... spreading the virus) is not a good idea...

Said no epidemiologist. Ever.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Said no epidemiologist. Ever.

Theoretically speaking you'd want it to circulate amongst the people who are going to suffer the least, protecting the old and vulnerable.

Is that practically possible?

 

[paul7388]

Theoretically speaking you'd want it to circulate amongst the people who are going to suffer the least, protecting the old and vulnerable.

Is that practically possible?

Yeah it is possible.

Keep the old and vulnerable self isolating and let the rest take their chances and live life as normal.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yeah it is possible.

Keep the old and vulnerable self isolating and let the rest take their chances and live life as normal.

How long would elderly and otherwise vulnerable have to stay put? How long will they be unable to see their children and grandchildren?

It's a thin line between theoretical and practical.

 

[vorcirion]

Yeah it is possible.

Keep the old and vulnerable self isolating and let the rest take their chances and live life as normal.

There are problems with that too. Usually the older people are already quite socially isolated. Shutting them out of the world doesn't help either...brings all kinds of mental problems and whatnot.
Having manageable virus outbreaks is probably the best solution and not letting it go on a rampage killing many older people.

 

[paul7388]

How long would elderly and otherwise vulnerable have to stay put? How long will they be unable to see their children and grandchildren?

It's a thin line between theoretical and practical.

You asked how to circulate it among the least at risk.

I merely said the easiest way would be to let the rest get on with it. Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable will have to stay self isolating for a long time anyway as virus is not going away.

The younger and less at risk are not meant to visit elderly at moment. So they should be free to take their chances if they wish and get on with things.

Got to stage where if countries lock down much longer too much long term damage will be done. Where as let the least vulnerable spread it and get some sort of immunity . This partial lockdown this country is doing is merely stopping the virus spreading faster.

They still expect most to get it tho. So why not let all the not at highest risk people get it early. That way the spread will be quicker but will also die away quicker. Hence the vulnerable will actually have a greater chance of coming out of self isolation earlier.

 

[mack341]

I agree we should be looking at short term change of our society to get rid of the widespread circulation of this virus as fast as possible which means temporary stay-at-home orders should be followed. The whole world waited too long to act on the threat and now our implemented measures are taking much longer to lift. So basically the fact our society is so open and free has now turned against us.

Our doctors have been giving patients hydroxychloroquine, remdesivir and blood plasma as experimental treatments but mostly kept it quiet not to tout it as the wonder cure or to give people false hope. They kept it kinda low key, the press never really jumped on it and especially none of our top politicians have been advocating it.

Sadly I don't think it'll just go away overnight, one of the scenario's is that it'll mutate to a common cold virus within a couple of cycles. Do I hope it'll just go away? Hell yeah!

I think by the time a vaccine is really established and ready to be rolled out to the general population it's going to be 2022. If there's one by the end of this year the first doses will go to healthcare workers, "important" people and then the at-risk group of people. Basically by the time most of us get it it might not be useful anymore.

What I think is overlooked is to look for medication for so called mild cases. Right now all the drugs they're testing are for people who're very ill, and rightly so! But once the amount of severe cases goes down they should get to testing what they can give people who have a mild case so their spread of the virus goes down. If a person with a mild case is less contagious the amount of severe cases will go down too.

The WHO has advocated against giving people certificates that they're "safe". I think it's dangerous too. I don't think there'll ever be mandatory vaccinations for the whole worlds population for this virus.

Other than that, is Ron Paul looking to eradicate the Republican's voter base by advocating to rebel against the stay-at-home orders?

I agree on the whole with your agreement

I don't necessarily agree though with ron paul on lifting the lockdown today, but as a single state like Alabama is the size of england there are different factors at play, should wide roaming rural type areas be in lockdown? though maybe the cities should stay in lockdown longer.

I get a bit concerned with 'experts' [like fauci] who seem to want to prolong things and bring in society changes on the back of that, it starts to make me think they know the virus is going to be around because it's 'man-made' and has been designed with this purpose in mind, to change society, that's just a theory, I hope it's wrong.

They're leaving everything on the table, a mandatory vaccine and ID tracking concepts etc...these things haven't been debated or voted for, but they might be imposed, that's a slippery slope to me.

People like Gates seem to be excited for some reason, as if the time he's been waiting for is finally here, I don't see why a normal person would have a spring in their step with the unfolding events.

 

[sufferinsilence]

You asked how to circulate it among the least at risk.

I merely said the easiest way would be to let the rest get on with it. Unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable will have to stay self isolating for a long time anyway as virus is not going away.

The younger and less at risk are not meant to visit elderly at moment. So they should be free to take their chances if they wish and get on with things.

Got to stage where if countries lock down much longer too much long term damage will be done. Where as let the least vulnerable spread it and get some sort of immunity . This partial lockdown this country is doing is merely stopping the virus spreading faster.

They still expect most to get it tho. So why not let all the not at highest risk people get it early. That way the spread will be quicker but will also die away quicker. Hence the vulnerable will actually have a greater chance of coming out of self isolation earlier.

I hear you, just saying it's a thin line between the theoretical part of it and actually enforcing it

 

[ternur]

Why are you discussing this here? Coronavirus thread is that way >>>

@mack341 Would you mind directing me to any source showing Gates being excited about this? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention).

Edit: Is this the NK thread? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention)

 

[vorcirion]

I agree on the whole with your agreement

I don't necessarily agree though with ron paul on lifting the lockdown today, but as a single state like Alabama is the size of england there are different factors at play, should wide roaming rural type areas be in lockdown? though maybe the cities should stay in lockdown longer.

I get a bit concerned with 'experts' [like fauci] who seem to want to prolong things and bring in society changes on the back of that, it starts to make me think they know the virus is going to be around because it's 'man-made' and has been designed with this purpose in mind, to change society, that's just a theory, I hope it's wrong.

They're leaving everything on the table, a mandatory vaccine and ID tracking concepts etc...these things haven't been debated or voted for, but they might be imposed, that's a slippery slope to me.

People like Gates seem to be excited for some reason, as if the time he's been waiting for is finally here, I don't see why a normal person would have a spring in their step with the unfolding events.

Why you keep bringing up this deep state stuff again? Less X-Files please. You should get your excitement from elsewhere really. This thing doesn't do good for your mental well-being.

 

[Kroffe]

Guys..
Just once it would be nice to open this thread and see some nature documentaries had been posted while i was away.
Im not angry, just disappointed.

 

[pinnit2014]

Guys..
Just once it would be nice to open this thread and see some nature documentaries had been posted while i was away.
Im not angry, just disappointed.

Some lingering shots of animals. And some music for Ternur. Albeit, it's shite. If we could fine a still with one of the Trumps shooting one of them, we'd cover most bases.

Well, except NK but that's never been a problem.

 

[mack341]

Why are you discussing this here? Coronavirus thread is that way >>>

@mack341 Would you mind directing me to any source where Gates is excited about this? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention).

Edit: Is this the NK thread? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention)

Well I don't want to overload the other thread with speculation, which is all this is.

I would say in general from the bits of watching Gates, tone, enthusiasm etc.. he seems excited [a spring in his step] Remember roughly 93% of communication is non verbal [55% body language and 38% tone of voice] I don't think he has gone on record and stated 'I'm finding this very exciting'

He cannot speak without waving or moving his hands about, here he states a vaccine for 7 billion people, that's his plan clearly.

 

[paul7388]

 

[sufferinsilence]

Why are you discussing this here? Coronavirus thread is that way >>>

@mack341 Would you mind directing me to any source showing Gates being excited about this? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention).

Edit: Is this the NK thread? (Genuinely asking, I haven't been paying attention)

It's because we go so much deeper here!

 

[Borgie]

So much cheerier ... let's dance

 

[dionysus]

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[goatwack]

Site's back on!

Let's go champ!

 

[dionysus]

Site's back on!

Let's go champ!

sweet
thought it was me
couldnt login for a bit; but got in, and saw posts and members
glad to know it was site wide, thanks

 

[goatwack]

sweet
thought it was me
couldnt login for a bit; but got in, and saw posts and members
glad to know it was site wide, thanks

I think it may have been worldwide, don't quote me on that

 

[mack341]

Why you keep bringing up this deep state stuff again? Less X-Files please. You should get your excitement from elsewhere really. This thing doesn't do good for your mental well-being.

It's more shallow state now, hardly hidden and I can't help it I'm like Bill

 

[ternur]

And some music for Ternur. Albeit, it's shite.

Oh, how poorly you know my taste in music. I have not posted enough songs then?

Forum being down sure was a nightmare. I can't think much worse things atm.

 

[ternur]

Well I don't want to overload the other thread with speculation, which is all this is.

I would say in general from the bits of watching Gates, tone, enthusiasm etc.. he seems excited [a spring in his step] Remember roughly 93% of communication is non verbal [55% body language and 38% tone of voice] I don't think he has gone on record and stated 'I'm finding this very exciting'

He cannot speak without waving or moving his hands about, here he states a vaccine for 7 billion people, that's his plan clearly.

I'm gonna go and watch that. If it's crap, you're going to feel my wrath.

 

[goatwack]

Ok, who made Ternur angry on Tomodachi Tuesday

 

[dionysus]

well, tbf, maybe it was just 'sass' but a few drinks in it slurred to 'wrath'

 

[Kroffe]

I'm gonna go and watch that. If it's crap, you're going to feel my wrath.

Backup

 

[ternur]

Well I don't want to overload the other thread with speculation, which is all this is.

I would say in general from the bits of watching Gates, tone, enthusiasm etc.. he seems excited [a spring in his step] Remember roughly 93% of communication is non verbal [55% body language and 38% tone of voice] I don't think he has gone on record and stated 'I'm finding this very exciting'

He cannot speak without waving or moving his hands about, here he states a vaccine for 7 billion people, that's his plan clearly.

Yeah, I'm not gonna suffer through that sober. It's like 17 minutes?! I don't have the attention span for anything near that.

And I'm certainly not going to start reading Bill Gates' body language and shit. FFS, the man is responsible for creating Microsoft. Can't get much more evil than that.

 

[goatwack]

Is the Deep State messing with CM tonight or what? Keeps cutting out. And after a Bill Gates piece too

I did actually watch the 17 minutes, and thought it was ve

 

[ternur]

Backup

I think I've not watched that before. Tack så mycket Kroffe.

I must say that it did miss the whole point of BM though. And was actually not about BM, but mostly other stuff.

Understandable, it was made 2016 and they were just starting to be known in the west. But for the Tokyo part, it was horribly stereotypical piece even for the time it was made (and on the topics it actually tried to cover).

The best part was actually Crossfaith's short interview.

Far better use of time than watching a BG interview. And provided something to do with yet another forum downtime.

2/10 Honeyjars for the content.
10/10 Honeyjars for the effort.