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Actually not as bad as Rise of Olympus or Moon Princess or Gemix :D

Max win is 15,000x, that is 3 times the usual PnG number.

For comparison: BoD max win 5,000x is 1:37.5 million spins.

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Its a bit vague saying "less than 1 in 100 million" tho.
So what, its 1 in 200 million? 1 in 100 billion?
Weird to not include the actual numbers instead of saying "less than 1 in 100 million"
=)

Would be cool if more stats were included.
I would for example rather know how many spins on average you would need for a 1000x hit instead.
 
Its a bit vague saying "less than 1 in 100 million" tho.
So what, its 1 in 200 million? 1 in 100 billion?
Weird to not include the actual numbers instead of saying "less than 1 in 100 million"
=)

Would be cool if more stats were included.
I would for example rather know how many spins on average you would need for a 1000x hit instead.

You mean something like this. Unfortunately, not all studios provide that many details.

This is for Quickspin's Skulls UP!

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You mean something like this. Unfortunately, not all studios provide that many details.

This is for Quickspin's Skulls UP!

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Yeah, something exactly like that should really be in the paytable of all slots.
Should be a requirement for the providers to include.

I wish spelinspektionen,ukgc etc could focus more on things like this, that are actually beneficial to the players. One can dream. =)

Tried that game a bit yesterday in playmode.
Pretty fun game. :)
 
Well, I finally ticked an item off my bucket list and visited the DPRK. It was every bit as unusual as I expected, and while a very sheltered visit, our group managed to see a lot we never imagined we'd be able to see. Uploaded a few pics below but feel free to ask any questions! A lot of weird and unusual stuff to report on lol
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Well, I finally ticked an item off my bucket list and visited the DPRK. It was every bit as unusual as I expected, and while a very sheltered visit, our group managed to see a lot we never imagined we'd be able to see. Uploaded a few pics below but feel free to ask any questions! A lot of weird and unusual stuff to report on lol
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These places seemed quite empty in the pics. Were there any people to be seen in NK?
 
These places seemed quite empty in the pics. Were there any people to be seen in NK?

In central Pyongyang, it was very busy - lots of locals, gatherings and so on. We visited some of the country's biggest "attractions", including the bronze statues shown above, a gift hall among others, and most of these were completely empty - bar the guards and military. However, the war museam was packed full of soliders, who persumably are taken there every so often to re-affirm the indoctrination.

We were also lucky to be able to have a ride on the Pyongyang metro, which is the deepest in the world and built by the Soviet Union. This was actually suprisingly busy, and didn't look too disimilar to metros you'd find in Western cities. Still, very strange to have propogand music blaring in the train carriages!
 
I saw a short documentary (think it was by Vice) when they visited North Korea.
You kind of get the feeling you only get to see exactly what they are willing to show you.

I would not be suprised if all people riding the metro were "actors", and only there to show how normal life is in North Korea.
There are some interesting documentaries that have interviews with people who have left/fled North Korea.
Scary place.
 
In central Pyongyang, it was very busy - lots of locals, gatherings and so on. We visited some of the country's biggest "attractions", including the bronze statues shown above, a gift hall among others, and most of these were completely empty - bar the guards and military. However, the war museam was packed full of soliders, who persumably are taken there every so often to re-affirm the indoctrination.

We were also lucky to be able to have a ride on the Pyongyang metro, which is the deepest in the world and built by the Soviet Union. This was actually suprisingly busy, and didn't look too disimilar to metros you'd find in Western cities. Still, very strange to have propogand music blaring in the train carriages!

Superb photos and glad to read you made it out again. :)

I had the "honour" of growing up in a communist country with similar cult politics. Those "attractions" look very similar, hugely oversized, spotlessly clean and no people other than organized trips to indoctrinate the masses.

The leaders of such countries always end up as megalomaniacs. Ceausescu built the largest civilian government building in the world (second only to the Pentagon) and called it the "Peoples' Palace" while the people where starving.

A fun fact: People living in the blocks along the promenade leading to the palace would have to rush down every time the "dear leader" was passing in his armoured car to cheer him on and show him the love. Securitate officers would bang on the doors any time of the day and if no one was home, then the family would have to move out and the adults often ended up in gulags after being convicted of some invented crime.

I had an aunt who had the huge "honour" to live in one of those blocks and they were one, constantly scared, two, under permanent surveillance and three, ready at all times to rush down to the street and cheer. :rolleyes:

@Kroffe To answer your question, in some way they were actors.
 
I saw a short documentary (think it was by Vice) when they visited North Korea.
You kind of get the feeling you only get to see exactly what they are willing to show you.

I would not be suprised if all people riding the metro were "actors", and only there to show how normal life is in North Korea.
There are some interesting documentaries that have interviews with people who have left/fled North Korea.
Scary place.

I don't believe the metro was faked - the people seemed genuine, and there were so many of them.

However, there were a number of instances where we're 100% certain things were staged.

The most memorable was outside our hotel - directly opposite, there was a huge building. I could see it straight from my hotel window, and started to notice somewhere weird. Whenever our group was in the hotel lobby/about to leave for the day, there would be a mass of people surrounding the building. At all other times, however, it was empty - not a soul in sight.

So I snuck away for the guides for 10 minutes, and went on an extended cigarette break out the front (had about 4 cigarettes lol), and decided to do a test. I picked out two people from this mass of people at random, and followed them. They were doing a figure of 8 movement - walking for 20 seconds, turning a corner, and then coming back out - repeating the same walking pattern, and doing this on and on and on. Then I chose another person, and they were doing the same routine - just walking a slightly different way. Very strange, and very eerie.

We were a tour group of five - aside from a few Chinese tourists, the (1000-room) hotel was completely empty. Makes you think - if they're putting this much effort for FIVE of us, what would they be doing when the entire world are watching!
 
Superb photos and glad to read you made it out again. :)

I had the "honour" of growing up in a communist country with similar cult politics. Those "attractions" look very similar, hugely oversized, spotlessly clean and no people other than organized trips to indoctrinate the masses.

The leaders of such countries always end up as megalomaniacs. Ceausescu built the largest civilian government building in the world (second only to the Pentagon) and called it the "Peoples' Palace" while the people where starving.

A fun fact: People living in the blocks along the promenade leading to the palace would have to rush down every time the "dear leader" was passing in his armoured car to cheer him on and show him the love. Securitate officers would bang on the doors any time of the day and if no one was home, then the family would have to move out and the adults often ended up in gulags after being convicted of some invented crime.

I had an aunt who had the huge "honour" to live in one of those blocks and they were one, constantly scared, two, under permanent surveillance and three, ready at all times to rush down to the street and cheer. :rolleyes:

@Kroffe To answer your question, in some way they were actors.

Yes, it's very sad to see how deep the indoctrination lies. Our two guides were very friendly - and, as expected, they started to loosen up after a few days. One - Kim - more than the rest of them. At points, they almost seemed "normal" - talking about football (and having better knowledge of the players playing for the team I support) - but then you can see it in their eyes, they "remember" their place, and quickly snap out of it.
 
That's a bit of a surprise, it's a huge amount. I know a few years ago he did an about face and announced more troops would be sent to afghanistan. I think that was on the basis of the pentagon and generals convincing him that something was achievable, perhaps a negotiated deal with the taliban? And this bombing is a Trump tactic to negotiate from a stronger position? I wonder how many have died.

I can't see the US and Allies achieving anything long term in afghanistan, it's a tribal nation, the tribe is more important in their society/history than the government, so as soon as nato leaves the afghan govt will fold in 6 months. What I would do or threaten to do is target the poppy/heroin fields with japanese knotweed or some other invasive plant species and keep doing it till they stop growing the stuff

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Washington, still wounded by the fall of Saigon four years earlier, decided to give Moscow its “own Vietnam” by backing the Islamic resistance. For the next 10 years, the CIA would provide the mujahideen guerrillas with an estimated $3bn in arms. These funds, along with an expanding opium harvest, would sustain the Afghan resistance for the decade it would take to force a Soviet withdrawal. One reason the US strategy succeeded was that the surrogate war launched by the CIA did not disrupt the way its Afghan allies used the country’s swelling drug traffic to sustain their decade-long struggle.

...The CIA looked the other way while Afghanistan’s opium production grew from about 100 tonnes annually in the 1970s to 2,000 tonnes by 1991. In 1979 and 1980, just as the CIA effort was beginning to ramp up, a network of heroin laboratories opened along the Afghan-Pakistan frontier. That region soon became the world’s largest heroin producer. By 1984, it supplied a staggering 60% of the US market and 80% of the European. Inside Pakistan, the number of heroin addicts surged from near zero (yes, zero) in 1979 to 5,000 in 1980, and 1.3 million by 1985 – a rate of addiction so high the UN termed it “particularly shocking”.


...In late 2004, after nearly two years of outsourcing opium control to its British allies and police training to the Germans, the White House was suddenly confronted with troubling CIA intelligence suggesting that the escalating drug trade was fuelling a revival of the Taliban. Backed by George W Bush, secretary of state Colin Powell then urged a forceful counter-narcotics strategy for parts of rural Afghanistan, including the same kind of aggressive aerial defoliation then being used against Colombia’s illicit coca crop. But the US ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, resisted this approach, seconded by his local ally Ashraf Ghani, then the country’s finance minister (and, since 2014, its president), who warned that such an eradication program would mean “widespread impoverishment” in the country, without $20bn in foreign aid to create a “genuine alternative livelihood”

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Its unbelievable what's gone on in the name of geopolitics in that region, people never joined the dots to things happening in their own society regarding this new heroin addiction, it's been a scourge of western countries, and it all links back to afghanistan and the fight to who controls it.

I was hoping Trump would approach all these areas differently, look at them with a fresh pair of eyes, but he's just given the green light to ramp things up militarily and hope it achieves something.

Be interesting if Bernie sanders was to win the presidency, apparently he is surging atm past biden and warren, I just can't see him winning enough middle ground voters though, and if he loses then the democrats would probably swing back more central for the 2024 election.
 
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That's a bit of a surprise, it's a huge amount. I know a few years ago he did an about face and announced more troops would be sent to afghanistan. I think that was on the basis of the pentagon and generals convincing him that something was achievable, perhaps a negotiated deal with the taliban? And this bombing is a Trump tactic to negotiate from a stronger position? I wonder how many have died.

I can't see the US and Allies achieving anything long term in afghanistan, it's a tribal nation, the tribe is more important in their society/history than the government, so as soon as nato leaves the afghan govt will fold in 6 months. What I would do or threaten to do is target the poppy/heroin fields with japanese knotweed or some other invasive plant species and keep doing it till they stop growing the stuff

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Washington, still wounded by the fall of Saigon four years earlier, decided to give Moscow its “own Vietnam” by backing the Islamic resistance. For the next 10 years, the CIA would provide the mujahideen guerrillas with an estimated $3bn in arms. These funds, along with an expanding opium harvest, would sustain the Afghan resistance for the decade it would take to force a Soviet withdrawal. One reason the US strategy succeeded was that the surrogate war launched by the CIA did not disrupt the way its Afghan allies used the country’s swelling drug traffic to sustain their decade-long struggle.

...The CIA looked the other way while Afghanistan’s opium production grew from about 100 tonnes annually in the 1970s to 2,000 tonnes by 1991. In 1979 and 1980, just as the CIA effort was beginning to ramp up, a network of heroin laboratories opened along the Afghan-Pakistan frontier. That region soon became the world’s largest heroin producer. By 1984, it supplied a staggering 60% of the US market and 80% of the European. Inside Pakistan, the number of heroin addicts surged from near zero (yes, zero) in 1979 to 5,000 in 1980, and 1.3 million by 1985 – a rate of addiction so high the UN termed it “particularly shocking”.


...In late 2004, after nearly two years of outsourcing opium control to its British allies and police training to the Germans, the White House was suddenly confronted with troubling CIA intelligence suggesting that the escalating drug trade was fuelling a revival of the Taliban. Backed by George W Bush, secretary of state Colin Powell then urged a forceful counter-narcotics strategy for parts of rural Afghanistan, including the same kind of aggressive aerial defoliation then being used against Colombia’s illicit coca crop. But the US ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, resisted this approach, seconded by his local ally Ashraf Ghani, then the country’s finance minister (and, since 2014, its president), who warned that such an eradication program would mean “widespread impoverishment” in the country, without $20bn in foreign aid to create a “genuine alternative livelihood”

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Its unbelievable what's gone on in the name of geopolitics in that region, people never joined the dots to things happening in their own society regarding this new heroin addiction, it's been a scourge of western countries, and it all links back to afghanistan and the fight to who controls it.

I was hoping Trump would approach all these areas differently, look at them with a fresh pair of eyes, but he's just given the green light to ramp things up militarily and hope it achieves something.

Be interesting if Bernie sanders was to win the presidency, apparently he is surging atm past biden and warren, I just can't seem him winning enough middle ground voters though, and if he loses then the democrats would probably swing back more central for the 2024 election.

I hope Biden wins against Bernie. Black voters will help Biden alot thankfully. Main priority is getting rid of Trump...back to sanity please! After Trump is gone...then I'm all for progressive candidates too. At the moment Sanders is just too big risk in general election though he seems to be doing well in polls against Trump in many states.

It really sucks that US has so much influence in the world. I was hoping that the EU would've used its influence more. We need to start isolating US more and more if they don't change for the better really fast.
 
That's a bit of a surprise, it's a huge amount. I know a few years ago he did an about face and announced more troops would be sent to afghanistan. I think that was on the basis of the pentagon and generals convincing him that something was achievable, perhaps a negotiated deal with the taliban? And this bombing is a Trump tactic to negotiate from a stronger position? I wonder how many have died.

I can't see the US and Allies achieving anything long term in afghanistan, it's a tribal nation, the tribe is more important in their society/history than the government, so as soon as nato leaves the afghan govt will fold in 6 months. What I would do or threaten to do is target the poppy/heroin fields with japanese knotweed or some other invasive plant species and keep doing it till they stop growing the stuff

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Washington, still wounded by the fall of Saigon four years earlier, decided to give Moscow its “own Vietnam” by backing the Islamic resistance. For the next 10 years, the CIA would provide the mujahideen guerrillas with an estimated $3bn in arms. These funds, along with an expanding opium harvest, would sustain the Afghan resistance for the decade it would take to force a Soviet withdrawal. One reason the US strategy succeeded was that the surrogate war launched by the CIA did not disrupt the way its Afghan allies used the country’s swelling drug traffic to sustain their decade-long struggle.

...The CIA looked the other way while Afghanistan’s opium production grew from about 100 tonnes annually in the 1970s to 2,000 tonnes by 1991. In 1979 and 1980, just as the CIA effort was beginning to ramp up, a network of heroin laboratories opened along the Afghan-Pakistan frontier. That region soon became the world’s largest heroin producer. By 1984, it supplied a staggering 60% of the US market and 80% of the European. Inside Pakistan, the number of heroin addicts surged from near zero (yes, zero) in 1979 to 5,000 in 1980, and 1.3 million by 1985 – a rate of addiction so high the UN termed it “particularly shocking”.


...In late 2004, after nearly two years of outsourcing opium control to its British allies and police training to the Germans, the White House was suddenly confronted with troubling CIA intelligence suggesting that the escalating drug trade was fuelling a revival of the Taliban. Backed by George W Bush, secretary of state Colin Powell then urged a forceful counter-narcotics strategy for parts of rural Afghanistan, including the same kind of aggressive aerial defoliation then being used against Colombia’s illicit coca crop. But the US ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, resisted this approach, seconded by his local ally Ashraf Ghani, then the country’s finance minister (and, since 2014, its president), who warned that such an eradication program would mean “widespread impoverishment” in the country, without $20bn in foreign aid to create a “genuine alternative livelihood”

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Its unbelievable what's gone on in the name of geopolitics in that region, people never joined the dots to things happening in their own society regarding this new heroin addiction, it's been a scourge of western countries, and it all links back to afghanistan and the fight to who controls it.

I was hoping Trump would approach all these areas differently, look at them with a fresh pair of eyes, but he's just given the green light to ramp things up militarily and hope it achieves something.

Be interesting if Bernie sanders was to win the presidency, apparently he is surging atm past biden and warren, I just can't seem him winning enough middle ground voters though, and if he loses then the democrats would probably swing back more central for the 2024 election.

Could only find the number of Afghan civilian casualties for Q1-2/2019 - 717, a 31% increase compared to the same period in 2018.

The opium trade plays, of course, a big part, it has been like that for decades/centuries and feeds an entire region. But then the US was never interested in that. At the time, defeating the USSR had absolute priority. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out one day that the US profited from the opium trade.
 
I hope Biden wins against Bernie. Black voters will help Biden alot thankfully. Main priority is getting rid of Trump...back to sanity please! After Trump is gone...then I'm all for progressive candidates too. At the moment Sanders is just too big risk in general election though he seems to be doing well in polls against Trump in many states.

It really sucks that US has so much influence in the world. I was hoping that the EU would've used its influence more. We need to start isolating US more and more if they don't change for the better really fast.

I think trump is going to win the 2020, the 4 years of media attacks on him [and even this impeachment] have largely backfired and made trump look even more of a rebel taking on the establishment, and who must be draining the swamp, hence the reason for the attacks etc..

Trust in the 'system' has diminshed, due to the wars and social/economic problems, so if then the system is seen to go after the president on flimsy stuff, many voters will stick up for him, the never trumpers have effectively energised his base.

I think if they had debated the political issues 90% and the soap opera 10%, instead of 30/70 the other way around, they would've seen a bigger fall in trump's popularity, but they were convinced they could paint him as a traitor and sleazebag and middle america would walk away in disgust. One problem was though there is no knight in shining armour to replace him, none of the alternatives appeal enough across the board.

Come 2023 I'm sure more republicans will be pleased by then to see him go, it's always the way. Hopefully it won't be because of another major ME conflict but that has got to be a possibility, with recent events creating the necessary platform to convince the public in 2021 that a war is needed. Re-equipping the army to great cost would also be grounds to suspect plans are afoot.
 
No one likes a witchhunt, especially when a lot of the diatribe is based on 'feelings'

Nor is it helping advance the furtherment of the country if its leader is being lampooned at every turn. And so people are kind of tired of the hysteria and yes, it's likely rallied people towards Trump if anything
 
I think trump is going to win the 2020, the 4 years of media attacks on him [and even this impeachment] have largely backfired and made trump look even more of a rebel taking on the establishment, and who must be draining the swamp, hence the reason for the attacks etc..

Trust in the 'system' has diminshed, due to the wars and social/economic problems, so if then the system is seen to go after the president on flimsy stuff, many voters will stick up for him, the never trumpers have effectively energised his base.

I think if they had debated the political issues 90% and the soap opera 10%, instead of 30/70 the other way around, they would've seen a bigger fall in trump's popularity, but they were convinced they could paint him as a traitor and sleazebag and middle america would walk away in disgust. One problem was though there is no knight in shining armour to replace him, none of the alternatives appeal enough across the board.

Come 2023 I'm sure more republicans will be pleased by then to see him go, it's always the way. Hopefully it won't be because of another major ME conflict but that has got to be a possibility, with recent events creating the necessary platform to convince the public in 2021 that a war is needed. Re-equipping the army to great cost would also be grounds to suspect plans are afoot.

Will he make 2023? We've seen his (mental) health deteriorating before our eyes the past 4 years. The upcoming presidential debates will be very interesting to see how he handles them, it's a whole lot different from his rally's and he can't just skip them.

That being said I don't like it his potential opponents (Biden/Sanders/Warren) are all 70+ too.
 
No one likes a witchhunt, especially when a lot of the diatribe is based on 'feelings'

Nor is it helping advance the furtherment of the country if its leader is being lampooned at every turn. And so people are kind of tired of the hysteria and yes, it's likely rallied people towards Trump if anything

Even if that's true and this impeachment thing really helps Trump...there's still 9 months to go before the election. There's plenty of time for Trump to do things and I'm pretty sure those things won't give him the nobel peace prize.
 
trump says he will not partake in any debates...I think his team is scared....might be medical issues, might memory ...who knows...

Is that even allowed he skips all presidential debates? If I was a Trump-supporter I'd see this as a weakness rather than strength but... most of the Cult aren't very logical.
 
Is that even allowed he skips all presidential debates? If I was a Trump-supporter I'd see this as a weakness rather than strength but... most of the Cult aren't very logical.

they are not mandatory ...

pretty sure he would say it was rigged so he’s skipping them...

ah...just checked...indeed....he will skip the debates because he wants fair moderators....
 
That would be a first wouldn't it, no presidential debate against the democratic nomination. I could perhaps understand it if that was going to be Biden, as there might be too much ill will between the two, too much baggage. Then again he has some baggage with warren re the pocahontas stuff...bernie vs trump would be must watch tv.

I think he might change his mind later on re this, and he'll spin it in his favour, to show that he's flexible, owes it to the american people etc...

Edit: Did Obama debate Romney on tv in 2013 I wonder? :confused:
 
Could you imagine a Biden vs Trump live debate, it'd be like grandpa Simpson against the Crypt Keeper, with constant "Huh? Speak up!" as their hearing aids wane.

Winner not only gets presidency but a cup of cocoa & bed time story
 
That would be a first wouldn't it, no presidential debate against the democratic nomination. I could perhaps understand it if that was going to be Biden, as there might be too much ill will between the two, too much baggage. Then again he has some baggage with warren re the pocahontas stuff...bernie vs trump would be must watch tv.

I think he might change his mind later on re this, and he'll spin it in his favour, to show that he's flexible, owes it to the american people etc...

Edit: Did Obama debate Romney on tv in 2013 I wonder? :confused:

2012 you mean? Yeah they had 3 debates.
 
Even if that's true and this impeachment thing really helps Trump...there's still 9 months to go before the election. There's plenty of time for Trump to do things and I'm pretty sure those things won't give him the nobel peace prize.
Have you seen who won that prize in the past?
 
trump says he will not partake in any debates...I think his team is scared....might be medical issues, might memory ...who knows...
He doesn’t have to. Will win by a country mile.
Leftism, sjw and pc bullshit is being rejected massively.
The democrats make labour look sane and that’s some feat...
 
Re presidential debates - Mr T is a chicken, nothing else and is looking already now for excuses. He was OK in 2016 because first, he had a woman as a competitor (I doubt he would have had the guts to walk behind a male candidate as he did in the famous scene with Hillary) and he had his chants. In all the debates, he had nothing of essence to say, nada, not a shred.

In the latest news, please welcome the next lying coffee boy to the choir of Ex-Mr T sycophants - John Bolton is suddenly a liar, grandstander, etc. Who knew! :rolleyes:

Next on the soon-to-be admitted ever-increasing waiting list: Ruuuuudy! :rolleyes:
 
@mack341

Did you see the presentation of the deal of the century? Mr T finally revealed Sunnyboy's genius plan for ME-peace, cooked up without talking to the Palestinians. It is as expected heavily skewed in favour of the Israelis and in blatant disregard of international law and UN resolutions. In essence, a crooked deal cooked up by crooks, so no real surprise. :rolleyes:

Sunnyboy has then the audacity to say that the Palestinians have "blown all chances" until now to sign a deal. Question is what deals is he talking about because I can't remember any of the proposals in the past to have been even in the slightest acceptable for the Palestinians.

BTW, no one reacted really positively to the plan except the Saudis (MBS applauding) and your PM. Boris spoke to Mr T before the announcement and happily obliged to "kowtow" to the "Chosen One". :rolleyes:

If that is how he will deal with the US in the future, then get ready for "chlorine chicken" and other "niceties" from the US. :D
 
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I'm confused now. Is Sunnyboy Mr.T? And is Mr.T 'Trump' or the big fella from the A-Team with the bling?

Or is Sunnyboy someone unrelated to the aforementioned, and either a) tans a lot or b) of a happy disposition?

I don't even think he's a boy truth be told
 
@mack341

Did you see the presentation of the deal of the century? Sunnyboy finally revealed his genius plan for ME-peace, cooked up without talking to the Palestinians. It is as expected heavily skewed in favour of the Israelis and in blatant disregard of international law and UN resolutions. In essence, a crooked deal cooked up by crooks, so no real surprise. :rolleyes:

Sunnyboy has then the audacity to say that the Palestinians have "blown all chances" until now to sign a deal. Question is what deals is he talking about because I can't remember any of the proposals in the past to have been even in the slightest acceptable for the Palestinians.

BTW, no one reacted really positively to the plan except the Saudis (MBS applauding) and your PM. He spoke to Mr T before the announcement and happily obliged to "kowtow" to the "Chosen One". :rolleyes:

If that is how he will deal with the US in the future, then get ready for "chlorine chicken" and other "niceties" from the US. :D

I know it's a joke, what do the palestinians actually get, I looked on the bbc article but I couldn't tell.
The uk govt and powerful organisations like the bbc, play down the international law and UN resolutions aspect as if it's a contentious and widely disputed grey area. So sadly it's no surprise to me Boris is brown nosing on this subject.

I think in the original agreement, the balfour declaration, there was something about protecting the rights of existing inhabitants:

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine "

That didn't really count for much in the end.

Trump will be around till 2024 I guess, so even if boris thought the deal was lopsided, there's no way he can afford to anger Trump on this 'great' deal he wants to boast about.

It is a tricky subject to discuss, but the 'deal' is not going to be acceptable to one side, while the other side are over the moon with it. Some independent genius brinkman Trump turned out not to be :cool:
 
I know it's a joke, what do the palestinians actually get, I looked on the bbc article but I couldn't tell.
The uk govt and powerful organisations like the bbc, play down the international law and UN resolutions aspect as if it's a contentious and widely disputed grey area. So sadly it's no surprise to me Boris is brown nosing on this subject.

I think in the original agreement, the balfour declaration, there was something about protecting the rights of existing inhabitants:

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine "

That didn't really count for much in the end.

Trump will be around till 2024 I guess, so even if boris thought the deal was lopsided, there's no way he can afford to anger Trump on this 'great' deal he wants to boast about.

It is a tricky subject to discuss, but the 'deal' is not going to be acceptable to one side, while the other side are over the moon with it. Some independent genius brinkman Trump turned out not to be :cool:

One example of what they would be getting.

The Palestinians insist on East Jerusalem to be their capital, so a good chunk of the city. Comparing that to London, Mr T and Sunnyboy are offering Slough instead. :rolleyes:

Just completely delusional. Plus, Palestine has to demilitarize, Israel is going to guard the borders, Israel can annex the occupied territories (the UN declared it illegal), no real mention of the refugess and other nonsense only Jaaaaaared can cook up to please his Jewish friends.
 
Just watched sunnyboy's cnn interview with C. Amanpour...oh dear is all I can politely say... let's hope the european politicians and leaders etc.. can show some backbone and come up with an alternative plan that both sides could agree and is fair as much as possible.

Jared Kushner, senior adviser to the President, says the White House's Middle East plan is "a great deal" and if Palestinians reject it, “they’re going to screw up another opportunity, like they’ve screwed up every other opportunity that they’ve ever had in their existence.” [CNN]

No independent peacemaker or sensible adult would talk in this way, no wonder he and Trump get on so well :rolleyes:
 
It has to be said Trump's superbowl ads weren't that bad, he seems to have a better grasp of domestic politics than international.

Strange what's gone in the democratic caucus in Iowa, and why did bloomberg sit it out, is he scared the voters wouldn't support him, seems an odd way of carrying on almost like saying 'you don't matter' :rolleyes:

I doubt Trump sat out any of the republican primaries, I can't remember him doing that anyway :confused:
 
It has to be said Trump's superbowl ads weren't that bad, he seems to have a better grasp of domestic politics than international.

Strange what's gone in the democratic caucus in Iowa, and why did bloomberg sit it out, is he scared the voters wouldn't support him, seems an odd way of carrying on almost like saying 'you don't matter' :rolleyes:

I doubt Trump sat out any of the republican primaries, I can't remember him doing that anyway :confused:

Bloomberg entered the race so late so he just missed the deadlines to register for those early states. There's no benefit from sitting out of them. I hope he doesn't get the nomination anyway.

But yeah I don't understand US's voting system. Why is it so hard for them to get the basic things right?
 
Actually screw that. Bloomberg could be decent enough candidate against Trump too. An actual billionaire who can troll Trump pretty hard. Interesting to see how things go now!
 
Surely not skeletor, I highly doubt bernie or warren voters would put a cross by mike bloomberg's name.

He can't successfully run as a rino republican within the democratic primary system, that's what he is really:

"Michael Bloomberg served as mayor of New York City for three terms, 2002 to 2013. Even though he was a lifelong registered Democrat, Michael Bloomberg successfully ran for mayor as a Republican in 2001 due in large part to the support of popular outgoing mayor Rudy Giuliani, and was reelected in 2005.

He ran for a third term in 2009 as an independent, spending a record-breaking sum—the equivalent of $174.53 per vote (more than ten times his competitor). Michael Bloomberg is also one of the richest people in the world according to Forbes magazine, with an estimated net worth of $17 billion"
 
Surely not skeletor, I highly doubt bernie or warren voters would put a cross by mike bloomberg's name.

He can't successfully run as a rino republican within the democratic primary system, that's what he is really:

"Michael Bloomberg served as mayor of New York City for three terms, 2002 to 2013. Even though he was a lifelong registered Democrat, Michael Bloomberg successfully ran for mayor as a Republican in 2001 due in large part to the support of popular outgoing mayor Rudy Giuliani, and was reelected in 2005.

He ran for a third term in 2009 as an independent, spending a record-breaking sum—the equivalent of $174.53 per vote (more than ten times his competitor). Michael Bloomberg is also one of the richest people in the world according to Forbes magazine, with an estimated net worth of $17 billion"

I'm pretty sure everyone will rally behind the one who gets the nomination. Trump is just so bad option for all democrats. Not only because of his personality...but also because of his policies (foreign and domestic).
 
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