North Korea and US politics

[dionysus]

I've not the energy to write a large post
just glad he aint ours

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trump's crossing a line for me now with this latest escalation in the ME, the US have killed Qassem Soleimani, who was basically viewed as a national hero in iran as I understand it. Trumps posted the stars and stripes on his twitter as if that fully explains the situation. I'm getting more than a sense now he has got an 'easy come easy go' attitude to other's lives, and I doubt the american people would've voted him in if he promised more conflict and bloodshed in the ME, which is likely what we're going to see herein, terrorism and revenge attacks.

It's escalation not de-escalation the path that trump has decided upon now.

From the US spectator website:

"Ever since Donald Trump was elected president on a non-military interventionist platform, skeptics have questioned his commitment to withdrawing troops from the Middle Eastern quagmire and stopping the endless wars he claims to despise. Now he has authorized the assassination of Qasem Soleimani, the head of the powerful Iranian Quds Force, we can be in absolutely no doubt on whether he stands with the peaceniks or the neocons. Trump is a reckless warmonger, no different from every other president the US has had during the past two decades."

How ironic it now seems that he tweeted back in 2011: ‘In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.’ Then again, perhaps not. In the midst of impeachment proceedings, Trump may shamelessly be working according to the same principle. Effectively, Trump’s official re-election campaign has just been announced. The American media may hate him, but they love nothing more than any president bombing countries in the Middle East.

Whatever Trump’s motive, this is a massive strategic gamble. For Soleimani was the second most powerful figure in Iran, answering only to the Ayatollah himself. For more than a decade he has been the architect of Iran’s regional military strategy. He helped Iraq and Syria defeat Isis. Among the Iranian masses, he was a hero like no other. "

Which I can't disagree with, the mask has slipped, even George bush might've been more cautious.

And allied up with countries like RSA, which has through the promotion of Wahhabism done more to export/fund terrorism worldwide [ maybe not the king directly] trump can't take the moral high ground here imo. You can't manage and police the whole middle east to your liking via f16 jets, there'll be blowback and then what another us/nato ground war but this time in Iran?

Not only that Mack...get this:

The US assassinated a foreign national of a sovereign country in another foreign and sovereign country. That to me looks like an act of war.

MBS did the same in the Turkish embassy! It goes against all international laws you can think off but I told you from the start, Mr T likes to brag and showcase his prowess whenever he can as long as he stays safe far away from it all. The coward would never act like this without having the protection of a president. It was never proven that Iran attacked any of the US assets, nor did they ever attack the US itself. Yet, they call it a defensive action..... all lies just like the WMDs in Iraq.

The first hint for you that he is a warmonger should have been him scrapping the JPCOA. Instead of trying to build on the existing deal, he wanted to show the world how powerful he is and that he can do whatever he wants.

 

[mack341]

Not only that Mack...get this:

The US assassinated a foreign national of a sovereign country in another foreign and sovereign country. That to me looks like an act of war.

MBS did the same in the Turkish embassy! It goes against all international laws you can think off but I told you from the start, Mr T likes to brag and showcase his prowess whenever he can as long as he stays safe far away from it all. The coward would never act like this without having the protection of a president. It was never proven that Iran attacked any of the US assets, nor did they ever attack the US itself. Yet, they call it a defensive action..... all lies just like the WMDs in Iraq.

The first hint for you that he is a warmonger should have been him scrapping the JPCOA. Instead of trying to build on the existing deal, he wanted to show the world how powerful he is and that he can do whatever he wants.

Couldn't agree more Harry, they haven't even named the US defense contractor apparently killed in kirkuk which sparked the bombing raids, which in turn set off the embassy attack, reminds me of the oil tanker story, it's easy to do something yourself and then blame a perceived enemy [casus belli ?]. I think it happened in the run up to the vietnam war with the Gulf of tonkin incident.

This assassination is going to stoke anti american feelings in that region amongst the shia for decades, for what gain, so Trump can look tough or to provoke an escalation...

Edit: That walking talking, grease bag pompeo will also have had some big hand in this no doubt.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Couldn't agree more Harry, they haven't even named the US defense contractor apparently killed in kirkuk which sparked the bombing raids, which in turn set off the embassy attack, reminds me of the oil tanker story, it's easy to do something yourself and then blame a perceived enemy [casus belli ?]. I think it happened in the run up to the vietnam war with the Gulf of tonkin incident.

This assassination is going to stoke anti american feelings in that region amongst the shia for decades, for what gain, so Trump can look tough or to provoke an escalation...

Edit: That walking talking, grease bag pompeo will also have had some big hand in this no doubt.

Two reasons:

- re-election campaign.... and if it still looks like he's losing, he will go to war, I have little doubt about that
- distraction from impeachment

The contractor was a private person. The US has issued travel advisories for Iraq. So if he goes, then it is on his own risk. But then the US never shied away from sacrificing a lamb to get to the perceived wolf.

Pompano would have been at war with Iran already a long time ago. He still has not provided a shred of evidence regarding the tanker attacks in the Gulf he repeatedly promised to hand over to the UN security council. NADA but the issue has gone quiet and it still hangs in the air as if Iran was to blame.

 

[Harry_BKK]

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[Steviedoo]

Well Iran threatening retaliation. But I don’t think they’re capable. Unless they get help.

 

[mariafbb]

- distraction from impeachment

They can't impeach you if you start the apocalypse....

 

[sufferinsilence]

I'll just leave this here.

 

[goatwack]

Iran will rain down destruction on the Infidels like they've never seen.

Their Camel Paratroopers are feared throughout the world

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well Iran threatening retaliation. But I don’t think they’re capable. Unless they get help.

Only needs 1 guy wanting to blow himself up in front of an American embassy in any European country to retaliate "properly". Imo.

 

[mack341]

To murder another nation's national hero is really a low blow, a figurehead like this man, and only a few years ago John Kerry was happily stood with the iranian foreign minister after signing that major nuclear control deal.

It's rather changed the course of the 2020 debate for me I'm not going to waste my breath defending Trump's administration now, but I can't quite bring myself to cheer on the radical pc democrats, I'd like to see Biden v Trump, and an old school biden to call things as he sees them and be his own man, not this pc chameleon putting his foot in his mouth.

He was saying something the other day about coal miners giving up digging for coal and retraining as computer programme coders, it's just not realistic on the whole although people do often have a hidden talent [ I unfortunately am still looking for mine ]

 

[goatwack]

Isn't that U.S Foreign Policy? Goad problematic nations into retaliation, then have reason to 'intervene'

I'm sure other administrations have committed similar ploys, it's just that Trump's too clumsy to try and hide his glee. He's positively itching for conflict. Which is also a handy re-election pick-me-up

 

[ternur]

Isn't that U.S Foreign Policy? Goad problematic nations into retaliation, then have reason to 'intervene'

I'm sure other administrations have committed similar ploys, it's just that Trump's too clumsy to try and hide his glee. He's positively itching for conflict. Which is also a handy re-election pick-me-up

It is.

And this gem:

"The U.S. administration has adopted the policy of preemptive military strikes on any target on the globe — a policy it would never accept from others."
-- Alasuutari: The Principles of Pax Americana. Cultural Studies ↔ Critical Methodologies, Volume 4 Number 2, 2004 246-249
DOI: 10.1177/1532708603262789

 

[mack341]

We've almost had 20 years of military intervention in the middle east and afghanistan, what's been achieved, probably a million dead before their time, thousands maimed terribly on all sides. And there is no end to it. The cost to the west is $2,000 billion rising maybe more, once you add on top all the nato countries expenditure.

It's just madness, and now Trump is in the hotseat deciding what happens next, he should've stuck to running hotels and casinos, that's probably what he is good at, he's not cut out for world affairs involving wars and conflict. He's too impulsive and confident of his judgement when he's done zero homework on the details and background to things.

Edit: And that's ^^ being too kind to him when I think about it from the moral perspective, how he can just enjoy blasé having his new year bash after condemning others and their families, who he doesn't know and will never know, to an awful fate. I can't support politicians like this, blair was similar (zero remorse), these type of decisions should weigh on your conscience and I don't see any evidence of it, just gloating and boasting.

 

[sufferinsilence]

We've almost had 20 years of military intervention in the middle east and afghanistan, what's been achieved, probably a million dead before their time, thousands maimed terribly on all sides. And there is no end to it. The cost to the west is $2,000 billion rising maybe more, once you add on top all the nato countries expenditure.

It's just madness, and now Trump is in the hotseat deciding what happens next, he should've stuck to running hotels and casinos, that's probably what he is good at, he's not cut out for world affairs involving wars and conflict. He's too impulsive and confident of his judgement when he's done zero homework on the details and background to things.

W-w-what happened to you during your ban?

But I agree tho, he promised no more endless wars and to bring the troops home just to have 3000 extra troops deployed already and this is just the beginning I'm afraid.

 

[mack341]

W-w-what happened to you during your ban?

But I agree tho, he promised no more endless wars and to bring the troops home just to have 3000 extra troops deployed already and this is just the beginning I'm afraid.

Yeah I had a bit of a brain transplant ...no tbf I've always had zero time for warmongers, I don't mind defence of the realm but these ME wars are beyond that, there's no mission objective that will be achieved as far as I can tell. It would've been better if we had stayed out, let the area sort out it's own problems through the arab league or whatever it's called these days.

 

[goatwack]

W-w-what happened to you during your ban?

But I agree tho, he promised no more endless wars and to bring the troops home just to have 3000 extra troops deployed already and this is just the beginning I'm afraid.

It's the MAGA hat. Mack utilized his time off from the forum to prise it off.

Thing is, MAGA hat- wearers can't physically spot another MAGA hat wearer; it's a blindspot of sorts.

Imagine a reverse facehugger, embedded onto your Parietal. There's no removing the hat, and when attempting to cut it off it'll shoot acid.

I've been trying all sorts of techniques myself....three days running now I've held my head under lukewarm water, but I'm fairly certain now the YT tutorials are pranking me.

So Mack, if you could PM me, much appreciated

 

[Kroffe]

W-w-what happened to you during your ban?

But I agree tho, he promised no more endless wars and to bring the troops home just to have 3000 extra troops deployed already and this is just the beginning I'm afraid.

I keep telling you guys thats not the real Mack.
No sight of the €4500 Mack owed me either.
Pretty obvious this is not the same person.

 

[mack341]

The MAGA hat is not too difficult to remove, just need some rope and a pickup truck to yank it off, but the vest and underpants combo is impossible so far

 

[mack341]

I keep telling you guys thats not the real Mack.
No sight of the €4500 Mack owed me either.
Pretty obvious this is not the same person.

I thought it was at least £5600...you giving me a discount?

Anyway I'd like to make a counter claim, to have the amounts owed set aside, the basis of my claim is this man and his possible swedish connection to you

 

[Kroffe]

I thought it was at least £5600...you giving me a discount?

Anyway I'd like to make a counter claim, to have the amounts owed set aside, the basis of my claim is this man and his possible swedish connection to you

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Not even once in my life have i laid eyes on that man.
Who is he?
Just from the picture, he looks like he is good at telling people what to do.
A leader of some kind maybe?

 

[goatwack]

Not even once in my life have i laid eyes on that man.
Who is he?
Just from the picture, he looks like he is good at telling people what to do.
A leader of some kind maybe?

He led the England football team to one good win once, then ruined them.

He also committed the crime of playing Emile Heskey up front

 

[TheAddict]

As a LFC supporter, genuinely felt embarrassed to be English everytime Emile would touch the ball. The guy had an ability to send balls in directions no normal foot could achieve.

 

[goatwack]

His hold-up play was phenomenal too.

Corner-flags across the globe feared him

 

[Harry_BKK]

BTW, the special investigation by Huber (on order from Jeff Sessions and pressed by Mr T and the GOP) to look into all things Clinton related - foundation, pay to play, emails, Uranium One etc etc etc. is concluding quietly without any charges whatsoever.

I have not seen Barr making a big announcement that she has been completely exonerated.

After all, it would destroy and debunk countless "wet dreams" conspiracies for the right-wingers and Mr T's blind followers. They can't do that, right? Have to keep the hate figure alive so Mr T and others can roil and lie about!

 

[Steviedoo]

BTW, the special investigation by Huber (on order from Jeff Sessions and pressed by Mr T and the GOP) to look into all things Clinton related - foundation, pay to play, emails, Uranium One etc etc etc. is concluding quietly without any charges whatsoever.

I have not seen Barr making a big announcement that she has been completely exonerated.

After all, it would destroy and debunk countless "wet dreams" conspiracies for the right-wingers and Mr T's blind followers. They can't do that, right? Have to keep the hate figure alive so Mr T and others can roil and lie about!

And yet mr trumps foundation was found to have committed all the crimes that he accused the Clinton foundation of..They shut his foundation down... money that was supposed to go to kids with cancer went directly into the pockets of the trumps..

 

[mack341]

I've failed the first test... I cannot support Mrs Bill Clinton

From a well known 1992 article "The Lady Macbeth of Little Rock"

Hillary Clinton’s unfavorable poll ratings have risen as high as 29 percent in recent months. “Negatives” of 40 percent are generally fatal for a candidate; for a new-to-the-national-scene wife of a candidate, negatives in the 30 range are disastrous. The image of Mrs. Clinton that has crystallized in the public consciousness is, of course, that of Lady Macbeth: consuming ambition, inflexibility of purpose, domination of a pliable husband, and an unsettling lack of tender human feeling, along with the affluent feminist’s contempt for traditional female roles.

I watched a few of her interviews and debating Trump, and no doubt she is a one-off, a very consummate politician, totally sure of herself and focused... but still a trickster, and trouble/controversy seems to follow her around, never far away.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I've failed the first test... I cannot support Mrs Bill Clinton

From a well known 1992 article "The Lady Macbeth of Little Rock"

Hillary Clinton’s unfavorable poll ratings have risen as high as 29 percent in recent months. “Negatives” of 40 percent are generally fatal for a candidate; for a new-to-the-national-scene wife of a candidate, negatives in the 30 range are disastrous. The image of Mrs. Clinton that has crystallized in the public consciousness is, of course, that of Lady Macbeth: consuming ambition, inflexibility of purpose, domination of a pliable husband, and an unsettling lack of tender human feeling, along with the affluent feminist’s contempt for traditional female roles.

I watched a few of her interviews and debating Trump, and no doubt she is a one-off, a very consummate politician, totally sure of herself and focused... but still a trickster, and trouble/controversy seems to follow her around, never far away.

Can't really say that she's my favourite politician either but in this case, she has been investigated for years, yet they never give up. 11 Benghazi investigations alone, now two years of this special prosecutor. Nothing that shows she broke the law.

So, as much as we don't like someone, it doesn't automatically make them guilty, no matter how many investigations.

 

[Kroffe]

If i were President, i would just make breaking the law illegal.
Then there wouldnt be any need for investigations.
Check mate, criminals!

 

[mack341]

Not sure why but I never followed that Benghazi story, on the face of the limited bits I know, I cannot understand why they had an ambassador out there, I don't think it's normal practice in a war torn country. Also why didn't he have more armed protection or means to escape like helicopters...I presume he didn't. The wikipedia article on it is large, too much to read however on scanning the first section I came upon the following which caught my eye:

"Multiple anonymous sources reported that the diplomatic mission in Benghazi was used by the CIA as a cover to smuggle weapons from Libya to anti-Assad rebels in Syria.[31]:56[35][37][38][39] Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh cites an anonymous former senior Defense Department intelligence official, saying "The consulate's only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms. It had no real political role."

I wonder if any of the 11 benghazi investigations established the reason for an ambassador being out there? I think they made a movie about the attack, but I don't know if it's any good though.

I guess Hillary was head of foreign policy so it was her dominion but when I read David Petraeus was CIA director at the time, you have to wonder whether he should've shouldered more blame, something strange to me about that man - never looked like a 4 star general more a computer nerd.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just watched the interview of Rachel Maddow with Lev Parnas.

If just 50% is true of what he said, then Mr T, Pence, Barr, Rudy, Nunes, McCarty and various aides to those people better get a good attorney, that is if the US is still a country of laws and not a banana republic.

And Parnas is now officially the "low-level coffee boy" that knows nothing and nobody knows him.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Twitter is already glorious. Eric Trump says he has no idea who Robert Hyde is, Devin Nunes basically had to come clean on Fox News he had phone calls with Lev Parnas after denying it some time ago and I'm sure we'll see some more awesome clips come by

 

[Steviedoo]

“Not content to beg Russian intelligence to attack American democracy, Donald Trump conspired AGAIN with Russian intelligence and a series of co-conspirators FINANCED BY RUSSIAN MOB BOSS DMITRY FIRTASH to intimidate and potentially assassinate a U.S. AMBASSADOR.


America's Congress - even without the documents obstructed by the accused, much less classified intelligence - has what they call MOUNTAINOUS EVIDENCE that Pres. Trump was the ARCHITECT of a scheme to threaten or harm an Ambassador, extort a nation, and attack U.S. democracy.”


I don’t know what more he has to do before the GOP wake up.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Twitter is already glorious. Eric Trump says he has no idea who Robert Hyde is, Devin Nunes basically had to come clean on Fox News he had phone calls with Lev Parnas after denying it some time ago and I'm sure we'll see some more awesome clips come by

There are just tons of pics taken with Mr T, Rudy, McCarty etc etc ..... yet they never know the people when it suits them.

Pelosi's move to keep the articles of impeachment could turn out to be genius as tons of new evidence has come to light since that date. The funny part is that Congress could not get most of the new evidence/documents, yet any citizen can have them through a FOIA request! That is some skewed system the US has.

I loved it how Mr T supporters were glamouring in the forums: "He is not impeached as Pelosi has not sent the articles. She's scared, she's hasn't got the goods, she knows that it is a sham.... etc etc". Well, he is now officially impeached, never to be changed in any history book.

And if some serious investigation and trial are done, then he will be removed.

Nunes filed a lawsuit about those calls and an alleged Vienna trip (the city where Firtash is staying at the moment) and is now backtracking as to be expected. To think the vile language he used in the House hearings, yet he was "in the loop" all the time, is just hilarious. In any non-banana republic he would have had to resign instantly.

 

[Harry_BKK]

“Not content to beg Russian intelligence to attack American democracy, Donald Trump conspired AGAIN with Russian intelligence and a series of co-conspirators FINANCED BY RUSSIAN MOB BOSS DMITRY FIRTASH to intimidate and potentially assassinate a U.S. AMBASSADOR.


America's Congress - even without the documents obstructed by the accused, much less classified intelligence - has what they call MOUNTAINOUS EVIDENCE that Pres. Trump was the ARCHITECT of a scheme to threaten or harm an Ambassador, extort a nation, and attack U.S. democracy.”


I don’t know what more he has to do before the GOP wake up.

Don't worry, Moscow Mitch will make sure the GOPers will march in line!

 

[sufferinsilence]

I really don't know how the GOP can still defend all this. Is Trump such a cash cow for them they all want to put their integrity on the line to keep defending him and his "band of brothers"? Does Trump have something on the ones that yell the hardest like Graham, McConnell or Nunes?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I really don't know how the GOP can still defend all this. Is Trump such a cash cow for them they all want to put their integrity on the line to keep defending him and his "band of brothers"? Does Trump have something on the ones that yell the hardest like Graham, McConnell or Nunes?

Politics is power, power is politics!

 

[mack341]

I'm struggling a bit to understand why Trump would need to assassinate an ambassador or conspire with a plan to, when he can just sack the ambassador?

Is Lev Parnas a trustworthy witness, could it be he's making up some things [co-operating] to get a lenient sentence for his own misdemeanours?

I can see myself 360ing on my recent anti trump stance if the dem's evidence is flimsy as that in itself is a trump tactic. Chucking the kitchen sink at it but ending up with a narrative that makes no sense.

I'm thinking perhaps this Firtash character, in a desperate attempt to find favour with Trump and not be extradited to spend the rest of his life in a US prison cell, put some bait on a hook regarding the ukrainian role in 2016, trump then sends his missionaries over there, incl Parnas as an interpretor, to investigate and collate info.

If you see the ukraine as a spider's web of corruption, with opposing sides, trump's gone out there for his own interest/benefit for 2020 but got encased in the web, into a bigger drama with more characters?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I'm struggling a bit to understand why Trump would need to assassinate an ambassador or conspire with a plan to, when he can just sack the ambassador?

Is Lev Parnas a trustworthy witness, could it be he's making up some things [co-operating] to get a lenient sentence for his own misdemeanours?

I can see myself 360ing on my recent anti trump stance if the dem's evidence is flimsy as that in itself is a trump tactic. Chucking the kitchen sink at it but ending up with a narrative that makes no sense.

I'm thinking perhaps this Firtash character, in a desperate attempt to find favour with Trump and not be extradited to spend the rest of his life in a US prison cell, put some bait on a hook regarding the ukrainian role in 2016, trump then sends his missionaries over there, incl Parnas as an interpretor, to investigate and collate info.

If you see the ukraine as a spider's web of corruption, with opposing sides, trump's gone out there for his own interest/benefit for 2020 but got encased in the web, into a bigger drama with more characters?

What I suspect mack is that so far the investigators scratched only the surface.

Perry went in and a few weeks later one of his buddies, a rich Texan Republican and a big donor to Mr T and his campaign, got a $50B (BILLION) contract to supply gas to Ukraine. And they were more expensive than their non-US competitors.

Of course, Mr T dived head first into the big doodoo. He saw a good opportunity to have another "Lock her up" slogan. Plus, he needs to say in office because so far IIRC he has 14 sealed indictments waiting when he leaves. So plenty of motivation to do anything possible, legal, dubious or illegal, to stay in power.

The other part what drives him nuts is the stain that the Russians have helped him to get elected. He would do anything in the world to change that narrative. So when the chance came along to blame Ukraine and pile it on, he jumped happily onto the conspiracy train.

 

[mack341]

What I suspect mack is that so far the investigators scratched only the surface.

Perry went in and a few weeks later one of his buddies, a rich Texan Republican and a big donor to Mr T and his campaign, got a $50B (BILLION) contract to supply gas to Ukraine. And they were more expensive than their non-US competitors.

Of course, Mr T dived head first into the big doodoo. He saw a good opportunity to have another "Lock her up" slogan. Plus, he needs to say in office because so far IIRC he has 14 sealed indictments waiting when he leaves. So plenty of motivation to do anything possible, legal, dubious and illegal, to stay in power.

The other part what drives him nuts is the stain that the Russians have helped him to get elected. He would do anything in the world to change that narrative. So when the chance came along to blame Ukraine and pile it on, he jumped happily onto the conspiracy train.

That makes a lot more sense to me, I hope the investigators can get to the truth.

If Trump wins the 2020 does that mean the sealed indictments run out? Does anyone know what they relate to I wonder...seems strange somebody can run for the highest office with criminal/legal cases pending.

 

[Harry_BKK]

That makes a lot more sense to me, I hope the investigators can get to the truth.

If Trump wins the 2020 does that mean the sealed indictments run out? Does anyone know what they relate to I wonder...seems strange somebody can run for the highest office with criminal/legal cases pending.

The Perry case is just one that has become public. How many more are there? And it wouldn't be Mr T if he wouldn't profit from any such deals. He spent charity money meant for vets on his own campaign, sure, he won't let deals worths billions of $ just sail past him.

Regarding the open cases, the statute of limitation would hit in many of them by the time he would come out in 2025.

 

[mack341]

The Perry case is just one that has become public. How many more are there? And it wouldn't be Mr T if he wouldn't profit from any such deals. He spent charity money meant for vets on his own campaign, sure, he won't let deals worths billions of $ just sail past him.

Regarding the open cases, the statute of limitation would hit in many of them by the time he would come out in 2025.

yes he set the bar very low for himself there with that charity, erm, what's a polite word for theft, misuse of funds, so it is difficult to see him passing up an opportunity to get a slice of this yuge cake.

I previously thought he'd made his millions and now wanted to be doing the right thing by his voters and fellow countrymen, and perhaps he'd moved more into the philanthropist stage of his life, but I think I misread the signs and believed the rhetoric about draining swamps, more like swimming in the swamp and expanding it

 

[Harry_BKK]

yes he set the bar very low for himself there with that charity, erm, what's a polite word for theft, misuse of funds, so it is difficult to see him passing up an opportunity to get a slice of this yuge cake.

I previously thought he'd made his millions and now wanted to be doing the right thing by his voters and fellow countrymen, and perhaps he'd moved more into the philanthropist stage of his life, but I think I misread the signs

Mack, a US billionaire (allegedly) won't get a loan from a US bank!!! That should ring some bells, shouldn't it? Whatever Mr T is, it is more shine than substance.

US banks usually court the very rich but wouldn't give Mr T a single cent. Instead, Deutsche Bank, which has been implicated in the biggest ever money laundering case loans him over $1 billion in total since the early 2000s. Then his sons go on record and say "we get all the funding we need from Russia".

Why else would he try to have the next G7 meeting at his own resort? He needs cash.

As for the charity money, he bought a portrait of himself with funds from the charity. $10K or $15K IIRC, a true billionaire would not ever do that!

If he was so flush, why did he not help is own son-in-law with the 666 building? Instead Qatar jumped in!

 

[mack341]

Mack, a US billionaire (allegedly) won't get a loan from a US bank!!! That should ring some bells, shouldn't it? Whatever Mr T is, it is more shine than substance.

US banks usually court the very rich but wouldn't give Mr T a single cent. Instead, Deutsche Bank, which has been implicated in the biggest ever money laundering case loans him over $1 billion in total since the early 2000s. Then his sons go on record and say "we get all the funding we need from Russia".

Why else would he try to have the next G7 meeting at his own resort? He needs cash.

As for the charity money, he bought a portrait of himself with funds from the charity. $10K or $15K IIRC, a true billionaire would not ever do that!

yes you're probably right, you see as this hasn't been mentioned a lot by the MSM, I just assumed that he is a legit billionaire, and journalists would've sniffed around, done some digging etc...but they couldn't find anything and he was clean...but borrowing only from foreign banks starts to ring alarm bells

Having to meet all the running costs of these hotels, resorts etc.. must eat into his liquidity, especially after the downturn from 2008. It looks like he has expanded and bloated the business out, into all sorts of areas, and on a balance sheet there probably appears to be a lot of capital assets. Trade though must be down just on basis of his toxic infamy building up, wealthy people can stay anywhere hotel wise. I assume his business model is more aimed at the well heeled.

I was going to post last night after looking at his twitter feed, it was all over the place, with about 4 topics mixed up, he's scratching around for positive comments/opinions to retweet, something is rattling him.

edit: He's tweeted ' I JUST GOT IMPEACHED FOR MAKING A PERFECT PHONE CALL! ' if I was defending him now I don't think I'd be able to put the blinkers on to that degree, the conversation was far from perfect, however in all honesty I still don't feel it is enough though to warrant removing a president.

 

[Harry_BKK]

What is kinda funny is that the Russians helped Mr T to win the election and now an ex-Russian might be bringing him down. You could call it karma.

 

[mack341]

I thought Giuliani was supposed to be clued up about fraudsters and organised crime etc.. no offence to Parnas but I certainly wouldn't trust him or his mate, just by going on appearances they look dodgy

would you lend money to them, I guess as they were probably offering/giving money, wishful thinking came into play...

 

[goatwack]

They certainly look like they'd whack you if you invited them in for a cup of tea

 

[Kroffe]

This is the random slot-questions thread, right?

@Harry_BKK
Any chance you have one of them info-sheets for Wildhound Derby from PnG?
Seen it spit it some pretty impressive wins in the vs battles, and before i sink my teeth into it, i would like to know just how impossible the task of getting a big hit is.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This is the random slot-questions thread, right?

@Harry_BKK
Any chance you have one of them info-sheets for Wildhound Derby from PnG?
Seen it spit it some pretty impressive wins in the vs battles, and before i sink my teeth into it, i would like to know just how impossible the task of getting a big hit is.

Actually not as bad as Rise of Olympus or Moon Princess or Gemix

Max win is 15,000x, that is 3 times the usual PnG number.

For comparison: BoD max win 5,000x is 1:37.5 million spins.

Start spinning!

 

[goatwack]

That paytable seems enough to impeach Trump for good