North Korea and US politics

[paul7388]

Seriously Mack whether you can see this post or not i will post it anyway.

. At about 11pm i left the thread and went to bed. After about 3 hours of struggling to get to sleep and painkillers not kicking in at all i got up for coffee and a fag and went on laptop.

Maybe i was slightly blowing things out of proportion but i still think that when someone mentions a member had died that believed in conspiracy theories young and they thought it strange it is slight distasteful to ne making several posts like i'm searching google and found this and and now this thread. Especially in a thread like this that has been just so much garbage from 1st page.

You have since sat their and removed post's for my benefit. Hardly for my benefit at all. What you post is your choice. But if it is a forum then at times people will have different opinions. I would not remove any post i make if i think it is okay for someone else's benefit. So i don really get that.

You are making me out to have a personal agenda against you and wanting you banned. Seriously I have nothing against you as a person. Some of your ideas maybe but they are your personal choices same as mine are mine. But i have never and never would try to get a member banned.


You should have ignored me after the Atheism thread. Seriously go back read it again you were more the one that was attacking Atheists and what they stand for.

But anyway life is way too short for all this crap. And i just checked back i made one more post at 2.24am . That was the one post i said i thought it was wrong. That is all one post. Had too check again as can't remember at times i am that drugged up. But that was one simple post. Nothing malicious. Never mentioned anything about guns or stuff like that. No post i have has. Yet from that one simple post i made you deleted several of your posts and then still managed to post 3 times after i did in response to me. Nothing like having the last word. But guess that is okay for you to post as long as you do not get a reply.

Anyway this will be last post on subject taking me way too long to try and make sense out of what i am typing my heads screwed up. Will leave you to it and the few that obviously will jump straight to your defence even when not needed.

But go back and read through all discussions i have had with you through threads and tell me one where i was nasty towards you. They all tried to explain things that you were not getting. None were nasty.

Yet i have an agenda to get you banned. What can i say to that except... shouldn't lol but have to thats a conspiracy theory

 

[paul7388]

Speaking of the gun debate, a big shooting in El Paso. Seems the gun debate will come up again in the media.

Saw that last night. In Walmart this time. That sort of thing just makes you feel so sick.

And see there has now been a mass shooting in Ohio only a few hours later with several dead there as well.

 

[vorcirion]

Seemed to be a lot of lone wolf terror attacks in the last 2-3 years of Obama. That seems to have stopped for now.

You still think so?

 

[vorcirion]

"The man suspected of killing 20 people and injuring 26 others in El Paso on Saturday may face hate crime and capital murder charges, officials said.
Police say a document they believe was written by the 21-year-old white male suspect has a "nexus to a hate crime."
The four-page document posted online espouses white nationalist and racist views. It rails against immigrants and Hispanics, blaming immigrants and first-generation Americans for taking away jobs and for the blending of cultures in the US."

Yeah you can call Antifa so violent. This is what happens when you have a president who spreads hate. His supporters are crazy people and he doesn't care. He keeps adding more hate to your society and people end up dead. You can shove your thoughts and prayers up your asses.

 

[The Dude]

OK - several times this thread has gotten out of hand. Over the past several days, we have received a number of complaints about this. I think this is a good opportunity to remind folks that if you want to have at it in a off-topic political rant/conspiracy theory sort of way, this is where you can create your own group - private invite only - and keep the peace here. Any further complaints about this thread and I'll be shutting this one down. Thank you for your understanding.

 

[Steviedoo]

Well this is going well...

 

[imanorange]

OK - several times this thread has gotten out of hand. Over the past several days, we have received a number of complaints about this. I think this is a good opportunity to remind folks that if you want to have at it in a off-topic political rant/conspiracy theory sort of way, this is where you can create your own group - private invite only - and keep the peace here. Any further complaints about this thread and I'll be shutting this one down. Thank you for your understanding.

I wholeheartedly agree and it keeps the bosses from having to do any extra work cleaning up the cacophony of debate. I'd be willing to contribute some time and effort into something if it doesn't go in vain. I believe his point is clear, the various directions this thread has taken is not fair to the community as a whole and has made an untidy mess of this thread.

 

[TheAddict]

You get Muslims running people over in trucks.. like poor 11 year old Ebba in Sweden.

You get the New Zealand shooter guy, who mentioned Ebba as being amongst some the motivating reasons he decided to be equally evil, and doing the disgusting thing he did.

A few days ago some Palestinian with a fake passport decided he would cut up his flat mate in Germany, in broad daylight in the middle of a street, the police say he used "a sword like object" , it was a bloody samurai sword ffs...
He was still chopping away when the victim was on the ground in the middle of a public road, as some Germans looked on in horror. purely barbaric response after the guy had obviously just simply pissed him off over something (some say he was shouting "why did you do that?" as he tried to dismember him) victim didn't survive

A child very recently pushed infront of a train by some guy from Africa in Germany. Well, for seemingly no reason at all, he tried to push the mother and child but the child couldn't get away in time unfortunately . He then went on to try and kill another. The 2nd platform pusher in 10 days apparently.

Few months back, Three 16 year old boys were deliberately pushed infront of a train in Germany, by none Germans, after an argument esculated.

Then you got this latest lump of shit of a shooter who claimed his opinions on automation, immigration and all the rest had not changed for years, predating Trump and his campaign for president. Apparantly claimed to have spent about a month planning this sick attack that happened over the weekend, saying he just couldn't stand around and watch any longer, a d so his unstaable mind figured he'd shoot some innocent Mexicans.


Sigh... I personally don't see any of this changing, anytime in the near future. Guns or no guns.. i mean, Tor browser is a bloody dangerous weapon if used illegally, and it's not exactly difficult to get a hold of that. And as seen, a truck is a dangerous weapon, in the wrong hands.
I wouldn't say America specifically is broken, I'd say the entire planet is broken.














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[imanorange]

Nobody has mentioned the bombings here in Bangkok. This happened 3 days with a big security conference of ASEAN foreign ministers along with Russia, China and the US (Mike Pompeo in attendance). I don't know how much play this got Internationally as I don't watch the news on TV. Very suspicious as they caught the "suspects" almost immediately with them supposedly confessing. If you look at the photos of these guys they don't look like the sort that could plant six bombs around the city.

Also, the acting prime minister spokeswomen said they don't know the motives or if the people in custody are guilty. Yet the police had a different story. Thai police in themselves are a joke in many ways being corrupt and known for abuses right and left.

They are blaming the whole incident on Muslim extremists in the South, which is always the case. Although they have been fighting them for almost 2 decades they don't generally attack the capitol of Bangkok.

I was sorry to hear about the shootings in El Paso but wasn't surprised. If anybody can recall my warning about false flags several days ago these certainly fit the bill. Moves and countermoves along with loads of misdirection. Just a thought....

 

[Mouche12]

I wholeheartedly agree and it keeps the bosses from having to do any extra work cleaning up the cacophony of debate. I'd be willing to contribute some time and effort into something if it doesn't go in vain. I believe his point is clear, the various directions this thread has taken is not fair to the community as a whole and has made an untidy mess of this thread.

Actually, it's the contents of some posts that are considered offensive, not necessarily the untidyness of this thread.

 

[Kroffe]

You get Muslims running people over in trucks.. like poor 11 year old Ebba in Sweden.

You get the New Zealand shooter guy, who mentioned Ebba as being amongst some the motivating reasons he decided to be equally evil, and doing the disgusting thing he did.

A few days ago some Palestinian with a fake passport decided he would cut up his flat mate in Germany, in broad daylight in the middle of a street, the police say he used "a sword like object" , it was a bloody samurai sword ffs...
He was still chopping away when the victim was on the ground in the middle of a public road, as some Germans looked on in horror. purely barbaric response after the guy had obviously just simply pissed him off over something (some say he was shouting "why did you do that?" as he tried to dismember him) victim didn't survive

A child very recently pushed infront of a train by some guy from Africa in Germany. Well, for seemingly no reason at all, he tried to push the mother and child but the child couldn't get away in time unfortunately . He then went on to try and kill another. The 2nd platform pusher in 10 days apparently.

Few months back, Three 16 year old boys were deliberately pushed infront of a train in Germany, by none Germans, after an argument esculated.

Then you got this latest lump of shit of a shooter who claimed his opinions on automation, immigration and all the rest had not changed for years, predating Trump and his campaign for president. Apparantly claimed to have spent about a month planning this sick attack that happened over the weekend, saying he just couldn't stand around and watch any longer, a d so his unstaable mind figured he'd shoot some innocent Mexicans.


Sigh... I personally don't see any of this changing, anytime in the near future. Guns or no guns.. i mean, Tor browser is a bloody dangerous weapon if used illegally, and it's not exactly difficult to get a hold of that. And as seen, a truck is a dangerous weapon, in the wrong hands.
I wouldn't say America specifically is broken, I'd say the entire planet is broken.

Thing is tho, to legally drive a truck you will have to do more than just pass a background-check.
And even if you have a prior conviction, you can just stroll in to any of the countless gunshows and get one anyway.
"Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, whether at a gun show or other venue, nor are they required to record the sale, or ask for identification."

Its pretty disturbing that the manifesto released by the shooter parrots fox&trumps way of talking about immigration.
How it is an invasion, and someone has to do something, wich is pretty much what fox has been reporting and trump has been tweeting for years.
Even several hours after the manifesto was known, fox was still trying to push videogames, mental illness and lack of church as the reasons for the shooting. And its never a terrorist (unless the person is brown).
Even if he held those views prior to trump being president, being fed news and tweets that give legitimacy to his crazy ideas maybe set him off?
"Wow, the news and the president thinks the same thing as me, must mean im right" kind of thing is what i mean.

I do agree the world is slowly but surely turning to shit.

 

[TheAddict]

I just think everyone is responsible for their own actions. Do you really think if say, Hillary had become president, and immigration continued, he would not have felt the same way? (I'm just going by what he wrote in his manifesto...)
You only gotta look on i dunno, youtube comments or ceartin forums/chans, , to see how many people hold similar views regarding immigration. And have done so long prior to Trump.
I don't watch Fox, I dont really watch any news on tv unless i accidently catch it when flicking through channels,s looking for Bargain hunt..but of course this guy is a terrorist. Id also say Antifa are terrorists, there are talks about labeling them as so. There's just a lot of sick people on this planet..
some want what they feel is revenge for random attacks on their people (in whatever way they see the attack perpetrated), some act on raw instinct and cut up people when they are pissed off..some finnally snap after years of frustration.. sometimes, perhaps, when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

Regarding a truck, so if i someone wanted to do something evil and run people over, you're telling me they are going to either take 25 driving lessons and apply for a licence/back ground check for a big truck? C'mon dude.. lol They're not either going to pick up a second hand shitter off ebay or craigsliist, perhaps a smaller car or some type of large van or, since they intend on committing murder, maybe dare to steal a large vehicle or truck on the side of the road.. and then take that vehicle and drive it into a large group...
I also mentioned Tor, infinate access to all kinds of filth. It's not difficult to and learn of horrible ways to hurt multiple people at once if someone has that intent, ways that dont require truck, or gun... But that can be just as devastating. .... so should we ban the internet too, since anyone can use that?

Im not pro gun exactly. Im ceartinly not pro trump... I'm not defending anyone at all. I just think its a bit silly to blame Trump. I think the blokes a bloody idiot lol... but he didn't create the views on immigration many people have, and can't imo be held responsible for some lunatic who one day decides to do what one decided to do just recently.

 

[Kroffe]

I just think everyone is responsible for their own actions. Do you really think if say, Hillary had become president, and immigration continued, he would not have felt the same way? (I'm just going by what he wrote in his manifesto...)
You only gotta look on i dunno, youtube comments or ceartin forums/chans, , to see how many people hold similar views regarding immigration. And have done so long prior to Trump.
I don't watch Fox, I dont really watch any news on tv unless i accidently catch it when flicking through channels,s looking for Bargain hunt..but of course this guy is a terrorist. Id also say Antifa are terrorists, there are talks about labeling them as so. There's just a lot of sick people on this planet..
some want what they feel is revenge for random attacks on their people (in whatever way they see the attack perpetrated), some act on raw instinct and cut up people when they are pissed off..some finnally snap after years of frustration.. sometimes, perhaps, when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

Regarding a truck, so if i someone wanted to do something evil and run people over, you're telling me they are going to either take 25 driving lessons and apply for a licence/back ground check for a big truck? C'mon dude.. lol They're not either going to pick up a second hand shitter off ebay or craigsliist, perhaps a smaller car or some type of large van or, since they intend on committing murder, maybe dare to steal a large vehicle or truck on the side of the road.. and then take that vehicle and drive it into a large group...
I also mentioned Tor, infinate access to all kinds of filth. It's not difficult to and learn of horrible ways to hurt multiple people at once if someone has that intent, ways that dont require truck, or gun... But that can be just as devastating. .... so should we ban the internet too, since anyone can use that?

Im not pro gun exactly. Im ceartinly not pro trump... I'm not defending anyone at all. I just think its a bit silly to blame Trump. I think the blokes a bloody idiot lol... but he didn't create the views on immigration many people have, and can't imo be held responsible for some lunatic who one day decides to do what one decided to do just recently.

About the truck thing i was mostly making the point that its much harder&more expensive to get ahold of and be allowed to drive one, compared to how easy it is to get a firearm.
I dont really think all guns should be outlawed. But i mean, who needs semi-automatic rifles at home, like really?
They are not used for hunting (as far as i know) so they are mostly just a dangerous toy. Im no expert on guns, but im sure a pistol would be more practical for self-defense in ones home anyway.

I dont really understand your last point. Just because someone can get access to something if they want, we should not have restrictions&laws around certain things? Why not just sell heroin in the supermarket then, the people that really want to use heroin is gonna get it anyway, right?
Or maybe heroin being illegal makes it a bit harder for people to get ahold of, what do you think?

 

[TheAddict]

Im just saying if you remove one instrument, if they are intending to do something like this (some of these shooters have pre planned this.. the latest apparently spending 1 month afaik, and the NZ guy i can't remember, anythiing from 6months - 2 years for this) Theyll just find another way. Or perhaps, like heroine, or Phil Mitchell in eastenders, obtain a gun illegally.
Someone silly enough to take heroine is only hurting themselves, and anyone who cares about them. There are no other forms of the exact same thing, apart from methadone but yeah its not hard to get hold of if you want to destroy yourself in that way, or are unable to stop doing so...
I only mention Tor because of all the information easily available to create disastrous explosives, poisons, weapons and the like. You can make it more difficult for someone to obtain the go to weapon of today, but you can't make a person who is commited to doing something evil, stop going through with it.
I mean, hell, If this pyscho walked into a busy wallmart and started running through it with two 4 foot blades striking the necks of everyone he come by, he'd surely be able to hurt a fair few people before everyone got out. But st least he didn't use a gun, right?

Sigh. Ive got some DIY botching to do, so i best get on with fucking up my new house

 

[imanorange]

I just think everyone is responsible for their own actions. Do you really think if say, Hillary had become president, and immigration continued, he would not have felt the same way? (I'm just going by what he wrote in his manifesto...)
You only gotta look on i dunno, youtube comments or ceartin forums/chans, , to see how many people hold similar views regarding immigration. And have done so long prior to Trump.
I don't watch Fox, I dont really watch any news on tv unless i accidently catch it when flicking through channels,s looking for Bargain hunt..but of course this guy is a terrorist. Id also say Antifa are terrorists, there are talks about labeling them as so. There's just a lot of sick people on this planet..
some want what they feel is revenge for random attacks on their people (in whatever way they see the attack perpetrated), some act on raw instinct and cut up people when they are pissed off..some finnally snap after years of frustration.. sometimes, perhaps, when they feel they have nothing left to lose.

Regarding a truck, so if i someone wanted to do something evil and run people over, you're telling me they are going to either take 25 driving lessons and apply for a licence/back ground check for a big truck? C'mon dude.. lol They're not either going to pick up a second hand shitter off ebay or craigsliist, perhaps a smaller car or some type of large van or, since they intend on committing murder, maybe dare to steal a large vehicle or truck on the side of the road.. and then take that vehicle and drive it into a large group...
I also mentioned Tor, infinate access to all kinds of filth. It's not difficult to and learn of horrible ways to hurt multiple people at once if someone has that intent, ways that dont require truck, or gun... But that can be just as devastating. .... so should we ban the internet too, since anyone can use that?

Im not pro gun exactly. Im ceartinly not pro trump... I'm not defending anyone at all. I just think its a bit silly to blame Trump. I think the blokes a bloody idiot lol... but he didn't create the views on immigration many people have, and can't imo be held responsible for some lunatic who one day decides to do what one decided to do just recently.

Tor and the dark web is a dangerous place indeed but also a mass of information you'll never find on the mainstream internet. Use a bootable operating system if you ever decide to have a look.

I agree with just about everything here except one thing.

The only thing I disagree with is Trump is not an idiot. He's been underestimated far too many times since he's gotten into office and he continues to act the "chump". The man is highly educated and was a master chess player along with going to a military academy. I don't back him 100% as I've written a few times but he is infinitely better than Hilary or any of the politicians in Washington. He's unpredictable and has the military behind him. It's amazing how nobody will give him a chance but the reasons are obvious.

Amazing how people overlook the massive fraud and illegal activities of the Clinton Foundation. Their actions after the devastation in Haiti are enough to put them to death let alone behind bars. Talk to any Haitian or get some homegrown media (websites and video) from Haitians and you'll find out. There is also many US military personnel who know what went on. Most notably Michael Flynn and this is a big part of why he got the third degree. He knows where all the bodies are buried literally.

What about the Clinton Aid who was busted smuggling in 30+ young Haitian children, boys, and girls alike. She magically was let loose and who knows what happened to the kids. Let's just say there is direct involvement with Epstein and his island. And the massive trafficking ring up and down the East Coast of the United States. I-95 is notorious for missing children and teenagers, I wonder why?

Does anybody see a similarity in these two flags? These people are sick and they are simply repeating history.

 

[Kroffe]

Im just saying if you remove one instrument, if they are intending to do something like this (some of these shooters have pre planned this.. the latest apparently spending 1 month afaik, and the NZ guy i can't remember, anythiing from 6months - 2 years for this) Theyll just find another way. Or perhaps, like heroine, or Phil Mitchell in eastenders, obtain a gun illegally.
Someone silly enough to take heroine is only hurting themselves, and anyone who cares about them. There are no other forms of the exact same thing, apart from methadone but yeah its not hard to get hold of if you want to destroy yourself in that way, or are unable to stop doing so...
I only mention Tor because of all the information easily available to create disastrous explosives, poisons, weapons and the like. You can make it more difficult for someone to obtain the go to weapon of today, but you can't make a person who is commited to doing something evil, stop going through with it.
I mean, hell, If this pyscho walked into a busy wallmart and started running through it with two 4 foot blades striking the necks of everyone he come by, he'd surely be able to hurt a fair few people before everyone got out. But st least he didn't use a gun, right?

Sigh. Ive got some DIY botching to do, so i best get on with fucking up my new house

The idea stages of remodeling ones house is so much more fun than the "doing" part.

There are pshycological factors in play making using a gun/rifle for killing alot easier than say using a knife/machete.
Just press the trigger, and you dont even need to be close enough to see them bleed, they will just collapse.
You get a distance from you actions, both mentally and physically. That distance does not exist in the same way if you ram someone with your car or slit someones throat. Ill see if i can find and pm the paper i read on this.


But i agree that the worst wackjobs will probably do whatever they can to fulfill their sick ideas.

 

[imanorange]

About the truck thing i was mostly making the point that its much harder&more expensive to get ahold of and be allowed to drive one, compared to how easy it is to get a firearm.
I dont really think all guns should be outlawed. But i mean, who needs semi-automatic rifles at home, like really?
They are not used for hunting (as far as i know) so they are mostly just a dangerous toy. Im no expert on guns, but im sure a pistol would be more practical for self-defense in ones home anyway.

I dont really understand your last point. Just because someone can get access to something if they want, we should not have restrictions&laws around certain things? Why not just sell heroin in the supermarket then, the people that really want to use heroin is gonna get it anyway, right?
Or maybe heroin being illegal makes it a bit harder for people to get ahold of, what do you think?

Respectfully I disagree regarding a truck or any other vehicle within reason for that matter. You can easily get any vehicle at a police or State auction (They are held in everywhere) from seized assets either by criminals or defaulted loans. All you need is a fist full of cash. Also, if somebody is hell bend on obtaining one, they would steal it or buy it off the Dark Web already stolen.

Pistols are fine for home defense but rifles are needed for hunting and better home protection as they are much more accurate. Guns are ingrained in American society and outlawing them including semi-automatics is pointless. There are millions of them on the black market around every street corner.

Who needs semi-automatics? All the criminals have them and if I had a family I'd sure as hell have one too.

These shootings are not random and always at key moments, I wonder why? El Paso Texas is an interesting and ironic place for a shooting with all the border issues in that neck of the woods.

 

[vorcirion]

Respectfully I disagree regarding a truck or any other vehicle within reason for that matter. You can easily get any vehicle at a police or State auction (They are held in everywhere) from seized assets either by criminals or defaulted loans. All you need is a fist full of cash. Also, if somebody is hell bend on obtaining one, they would steal it or buy it off the Dark Web already stolen.

Pistols are fine for home defense but rifles are needed for hunting and better home protection as they are much more accurate. Guns are ingrained in American society and outlawing them including semi-automatics is pointless. There are millions of them on the black market around every street corner.

Who needs semi-automatics? All the criminals have them and if I had a family I'd sure as hell have one too.

These shootings are not random and always at key moments, I wonder why? El Paso Texas is an interesting and ironic place for a shooting with all the border issues in that neck of the woods.

I think you should request a private room for your conspiracy theories and write exclusively there.

 

[Kroffe]

Respectfully I disagree regarding a truck or any other vehicle within reason for that matter. You can easily get any vehicle at a police or State auction (They are held in everywhere) from seized assets either by criminals or defaulted loans. All you need is a fist full of cash. Also, if somebody is hell bend on obtaining one, they would steal it or buy it off the Dark Web already stolen.

Pistols are fine for home defense but rifles are needed for hunting and better home protection as they are much more accurate. Guns are ingrained in American society and outlawing them including semi-automatics is pointless. There are millions of them on the black market around every street corner.

Who needs semi-automatics? All the criminals have them and if I had a family I'd sure as hell have one too.

These shootings are not random and always at key moments, I wonder why? El Paso Texas is an interesting and ironic place for a shooting with all the border issues in that neck of the woods.

Yes, everybody should be carrying around semi-automatic rifles, because thats what the criminals do.
This way everybody would be alot safer and gun-violence would surely drop dramatically.
Do you really think the accuracy between a rifle and a gun would matter when in a home-defense situation?
Surely it requires alot more distance than your average room before factors like accuracy would matter.
I dont believe more guns is the answer to reduce gun-violence.
Read up on suicide rates/accidental killings for states with a high % of gun ownership vs states that have a low % of gun ownership.
By looking at the statistics, owning a gun seems to not really make people more safe, but rather the opposite.

If you read the manifesto the crazy kid posted before going on his spree, you will see what reasons he gave for doing what he did.
No reason to make up a conspiracy about it.

 

[goatwack]

Aren't some of these trucks 'seized' by fanatics, i.e kill the driver then go on a rampage.

So I'd argue it's a lot easier to carry out atrocities this way at least here in Europe, where guns aren't really their preferred method.

Basically a new form of terrorism that the perpetrators have adopted, leaving our already woeful security services out of their depth.

That is, unless one considers building barriers in tourist hot-spots 'effective'

 

[Kroffe]

Aren't some of these trucks 'seized' by fanatics, i.e kill the driver then go on a rampage.

So I'd argue it's a lot easier to carry out atrocities this way at least here in Europe, where guns aren't really their preferred method.

Basically a new form of terrorism that the perpetrators have adopted, leaving our already woeful security services out of their depth.

That is, unless one considers building barriers in tourist hot-spots 'effective'

Yeah, its more or less impossible to stop someone that is hell bent on doing some crazy shit.
Thats why we have banned cars from Hundred acre woods.
We still have problems with Heffalumps, but despite their reputation, they are actually pretty chill.

 

[Steviedoo]

“Presidential adviser Sean Hannity: "I'd like to see the perimeter of every school in America surrounded, secured by retired police ... have one armed guard on every floor of every school, all over every mall, the perimeter and inside every hall of every mall."

Pure. fantasy. Police state.

Police engaged the Dayton shooter within 30 seconds and he still killed 9 people and injured and injured 27 more.

The shooter took out 36 in less than 30 seconds.

 

[imanorange]

Yes, everybody should be carrying around semi-automatic rifles, because thats what the criminals do.
This way everybody would be alot safer and gun-violence would surely drop dramatically.
Do you really think the accuracy between a rifle and a gun would matter when in a home-defense situation?
Surely it requires alot more distance than your average room before factors like accuracy would matter.
I dont believe more guns is the answer to reduce gun-violence.
Read up on suicide rates/accidental killings for states with a high % of gun ownership vs states that have a low % of gun ownership.
By looking at the statistics, owning a gun seems to not really make people more safe, but rather the opposite.

If you read the manifesto the crazy kid posted before going on his spree, you will see what reasons he gave for doing what he did.
No reason to make up a conspiracy about it.

I have both, a couple of rifles and a pistol back at my home in the US. Two have been in my family for over 80 years. Not once has any of them been used to harm another person. Mostly extensive target practice and a few hunting trips as well as home protection.

You obviously don't understand the mentality of Americans that goes back to its roots as a nation. And you don't take into account many areas that are affected by natural disasters or have a violent past. People own several weapons and keep a fair amount of ammo just in case of a catastrophe and you have to fend for yourself. They are a peace of mind for emergencies and precautionary measures. Accuracy you say? The concern here is firepower.

What happens if there is a massive blackout and all transportation stops or a gasoline shortage. A solar flare or God forbid a nuclear blast, civil war or racial war. Don't forget natural disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods. Soon the supply routes dry up and how long do you think most people will last without a grocery store to go to? Trust me looting and total anarchy ensues and the strongest survive. Or do you think the government is going to save you in the event something unexpected happens? Think again.

You don't need to tell me the suicide rates of as I'm well aware of them from what I can gather. I certainly don't trust the published ones as they are much higher in reality to a shocking extent. Any statistics on guns in the US is a rolling joke and even the media admits this due to the enormous black market and undocumented firearms. Perhaps the international news does not mention this but its a fact.

Guns are very easy to buy everywhere in the US all you need to do is ask a taxi driver or if you are missing a few screws, go to a red light district or drug area. Do your statistics account for any of this? I could go on and on but you have to understand the concerns and dynamics of the environment and the people who live there. America is huge and the diversity if wide but most areas have certain core principles of preservation for themselves and their families. Those that don't have their heads buried in the sand or are unfortunate and can't afford preparation.

The bottom line is your perception of home defense is entirely different than the reality as you are not looking at the bigger picture. There's a lot of things I left out that should be obvious after reading this. You only need to read the constitution of the United States to realize other concerns.

The biggest fear the government and indeed the World at large has is 300 million armed Americans as well they should. This is a whole other debate.

Sure there are a lot of sickos these days but you have to ask yourself why is that? This was not a reality up until the Columbine school shootings. There's a common denominator in almost every attack, I'll leave it to the reader to find that out for themselves if they are interested. It's right there in plain sight all you need to do is research for yourself. If you rely on statistics and the mockingbird on TV then I feel sorry for you.

Finally, more guns is certainly not the answer to reduce gun violence. Taking them away from the responsible individuals protecting their freedoms and family isn't either. This will never happen in the US without serious civil unrest and millions of dead people defending their families and freedom from either domestic or foreign enemies.

 

[slotplayer]

Orange, its 300 million guns owned by 42% of the population.

 

[Kroffe]

I have both, a couple of rifles and a pistol back at my home in the US. Two have been in my family for over 80 years. Not once has any of them been used to harm another person. Mostly extensive target practice and a few hunting trips as well as home protection.

You obviously don't understand the mentality of Americans that goes back to its roots as a nation. And you don't take into account many areas that are affected by natural disasters or have a violent past. People own several weapons and keep a fair amount of ammo just in case of a catastrophe and you have to fend for yourself. They are a peace of mind for emergencies and precautionary measures. Accuracy you say? The concern here is firepower.

What happens if there is a massive blackout and all transportation stops or a gasoline shortage. A solar flare or God forbid a nuclear blast, civil war or racial war. Don't forget natural disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods. Soon the supply routes dry up and how long do you think most people will last without a grocery store to go to? Trust me looting and total anarchy ensues and the strongest survive. Or do you think the government is going to save you in the event something unexpected happens? Think again.

You don't need to tell me the suicide rates of as I'm well aware of them from what I can gather. I certainly don't trust the published ones as they are much higher in reality to a shocking extent. Any statistics on guns in the US is a rolling joke and even the media admits this due to the enormous black market and undocumented firearms. Perhaps the international news does not mention this but its a fact.

Guns are very easy to buy everywhere in the US all you need to do is ask a taxi driver or if you are missing a few screws, go to a red light district or drug area. Do your statistics account for any of this? I could go on and on but you have to understand the concerns and dynamics of the environment and the people who live there. America is huge and the diversity if wide but most areas have certain core principles of preservation for themselves and their families. Those that don't have their heads buried in the sand or are unfortunate and can't afford preparation.

The bottom line is your perception of home defense is entirely different than the reality as you are not looking at the bigger picture. There's a lot of things I left out that should be obvious after reading this. You only need to read the constitution of the United States to realize other concerns.

The biggest fear the government and indeed the World at large has is 300 million armed Americans as well they should. This is a whole other debate.

Sure there are a lot of sickos these days but you have to ask yourself why is that? This was not a reality up until the Columbine school shootings. There's a common denominator in almost every attack, I'll leave it to the reader to find that out for themselves if they are interested. It's right there in plain sight all you need to do is research for yourself. If you rely on statistics and the mockingbird on TV then I feel sorry for you.

Finally, more guns is certainly not the answer to reduce gun violence. Taking them away from the responsible individuals protecting their freedoms and family isn't either. This will never happen in the US without serious civil unrest and millions of dead people defending their families and freedom from either domestic or foreign enemies.

But why would it matter if you had handguns or semi-automatic rifles in a "looting and total anarchy" situation?
Is your semi-automatic rifle somehow more powerful than the ones your neighbors would be armed with?
Or is it the military you are supposed to take on?

No need to feel sorry for me for believing in statistics and the news i watch/read.
I feel slighly more sorry than you do for me for people believing every conspiracy they can find online and spending their lives afraid of imaginary things. This gives me the high-ground since thats how the smugness&superiority-scale works, the one who feels the most sorry for the other one wins.
And as everyone who has watched Star-wars knows, its over once one gets the high ground.

 

[Kroffe]

“Presidential adviser Sean Hannity: "I'd like to see the perimeter of every school in America surrounded, secured by retired police ... have one armed guard on every floor of every school, all over every mall, the perimeter and inside every hall of every mall."

Pure. fantasy. Police state.

Police engaged the Dayton shooter within 30 seconds and he still killed 9 people and injured and injured 27 more.

The shooter took out 36 in less than 30 seconds.

You dont get it do you?
If only there were a few more good guys with rifles around, they would have sorted it out.

 

[shewoff]

“Presidential adviser Sean Hannity: "I'd like to see the perimeter of every school in America surrounded, secured by retired police ... have one armed guard on every floor of every school, all over every mall, the perimeter and inside every hall of every mall."

Pure. fantasy. Police state.

Police engaged the Dayton shooter within 30 seconds and he still killed 9 people and injured and injured 27 more.

The shooter took out 36 in less than 30 seconds.

We truly need to be able to see what is going on with the law? I have seen too many of these shoot a 16 yo 16 times and then say "I Was Scared". Scared I have to say being scared is a state of mind! We need a more professionally trained force. A whole lot of the newbie cop's are vet's. And I don't feel they are vetted correctly? And there may be some who have NO business with a badge and a gun! We are close in this country RIGHT NOW! Too close and we should all be concerned with all the shooting's and hate that is moving over our country like a black cloud!

 

[imanorange]

But why would it matter if you had handguns or semi-automatic rifles in a "looting and total anarchy" situation?
Is your semi-automatic rifle somehow more powerful than the ones your neighbors would be armed with?
Or is it the military you are supposed to take on?

No need to feel sorry for me for believing in statistics and the news i watch/read.
I feel slighly more sorry than you do for me for people believing every conspiracy they can find online and spending their lives afraid of imaginary things. This gives me the high-ground since thats how the smugness&superiority-scale works, the one who feels the most sorry for the other one wins.
And as everyone who has watched Star-wars knows, its over once one gets the high ground.

Who is talking conspiracy, my friend? I was stating the state of mind and culture of America. And what people do in areas prone to natural disasters and what happens in the aftermath. I guess you've never lost your entire home and lived through total blackout conditions for weeks on end before. Let me tell you it's something you have to live through to believe. I was unfortunate enough to be in Florida in 2004 with hurricanes Charlie, Francis and Jeanne went right over my home town on the Southern end of the peninsula.

Millions of people went without power and water for up to 3 weeks. My wife and I had just purchased two homes a couple of years prior as she loves the US and I came back from Asia begrudgingly to make her happy and teach her how things worked. She is a Thai woman and well educated in both Thailand and US. Then the hurricanes came, back to back to back knocking out power the first time 3 weeks, the second storm for about 2 weeks and the third for 5 days. Both of my homes sustained a lot of damage TWO times in a month and a half. My main house as it was at the end of the street where all the debris from everyone's homes on the block plowed into mine.

During those evenings you could hear gunfire and commotion going on. The only law and order was "hometown heroes" brought together by local radio stations, our only source of information. Those DJs stayed up day after day taking calls from real people needing real help. Many of the police were protecting their own families while others had been called away to help in the rich areas of Palm Beach. Leaving the outer communities open season for people to take advantage of the situation.

There were reports of gangs in the area doing home invasions and robbing people My next-door neighbor's boyfriend had a handgun and I let him borrow one of my rifles. Another guy, an electrician for the city had guns and other supplies so we pooled our resources. We sat in lawn chairs night in and night out protecting our women, food and our properties. There were trucks driving by with many guys in the back looking around for targets of opportunity. We kept a fire burning clearly showing our weapons. They never stopped but they did around the corner robbing and beating an elderly couple who owned a house between two empty lots.

There was nothing we could do but listen and the sad part was they didn't have anything but they were vulnerable. The husband ended up dying not long after of internal bleeding and sadly his wife did too shortly after him.

Of course, the whole world didn't know dick about the reality just what was happening in the rich neighborhoods of Palm Beach. All the rich snowbirds from New York including Trump and his estate Mara Lago.

It was lucky I had 500 gallons of water stored along with canned goods and dry stock. I grew up in California during which time we had air raid drills for a nuclear attack at school a few times a month. This was a reality, not a conspiracy as America and Russia where still in the depths of the so-called "Cold War". Why was California on like this? Back then there were nuclear missile silos up and down the coast from just north of Los Angeles up to about 100 miles south of San Francisco.

I don't know about you but I sure as hell would feel safer with a semi-automatic rifle then the ones I have in that situation. The more powerful the better. Now think of say, a farmer with crops and land along with a big family. After several days of no water, food or power people will do anything and they would go after farms and storehouses first then move on to private homes. Having at least a fighting chance with formidable firepower to protect yourself is better than having nothing or a single-shot pistol or rifle.

Do you honestly think these shootings will end with a ban on such weapons? None of this happened until 20 years ago and people were more heavily armed before. What has changed? How do you enforce such a ban? Why are your talking points mirroring what is plastered on mainstream? Is it because you listen and believe everything you hear? I have watched the news via Satellite from all over Europe here in Thailand and it makes me sick. The picture they paint could not be farther from the truth. When it is questioned like a bunch of drones the conspiracy card is pulled out. Does none of this remind anybody of the past? It should or perhaps you believe the rewritten version of the past.

I'm stating life experiences not what I was told on television or read in statistical analysis based on what? What is this nonsense about Star Wars and the high ground?

In your rationale, anybody who prepares for a disaster is a or even worse, thinks for themselves questioning what they are told is a conspiracy nut

Keep the veil over your head and be herded like the rest of the sheep. If your only argument is believing the news and statistics then parroting whatever is said, by all means, claim victory Obi-Wan. The ground you stand on is quicksand and you are too late to get out. May the force of the mind control media be with you.

 

[imanorange]

From Donald Trump Twitter account:

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the DEATH PENALTY - and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.

 

[paul7388]

From Donald Trump Twitter account:

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the DEATH PENALTY - and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.

Another pointless post by him since all the other laws prevent it happening.

Also many states do not carry the death penalty and other states can not carry out the executions as the pharmaceutical companies refuse to provide the drugs.

 

[mack341]

From Donald Trump Twitter account:

Today, I am also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the DEATH PENALTY - and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.

That seems a bit broad, a hate crime can extend to all sorts of altercations including verbal, surely he's not advocating the death penalty for the lower level stuff?

 

[goatwack]

You can't just off criminals that swiftly, sounds like more populist bravado pre-2nd term

 

[pinnit2014]

Last page has reminded me I have still a Purge film to watch.

 

[goatwack]

That seems a bit broad, a hate crime can extend to all sorts of altercations including verbal, surely he's not advocating the death penalty for the lower level stuff?

Stared at an emo funny? Off to the guillotine with you!

 

[mack341]

It feels like he's chasing his tail now, why not say we're launching a major cross party review into the gun laws, causes of these events, analysing the situation in other countries etc...

I think if you live in a society that takes things to the crazy extremes, you end up getting extreme events and crimes carried out by the citizens etc... this isn't only about gun reform, these attacks are symptoms of greater problems and influencing factors. Obviously if you ban all guns, the lone man gun attacks would likely end...to be replaced probably by arson, poisoning, bladed weapons, bombs, vehicles etc..

But I am in favour of some sort of reform though, just I don't know enough about the gun laws in the US as presently practised to suggest a pragmatic solution.

 

[imanorange]

I believe it is too early to make a judgement on the proposed death penalty FEDERAL law. He's leaving the legislation to the DOJ. The wording would be there's if that is the case.

Here we go with some declassification documents. Let the bombing begin

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[Kroffe]

Who is talking conspiracy, my friend? I was stating the state of mind and culture of America. And what people do in areas prone to natural disasters and what happens in the aftermath. I guess you've never lost your entire home and lived through total blackout conditions for weeks on end before. Let me tell you it's something you have to live through to believe. I was unfortunate enough to be in Florida in 2004 with hurricanes Charlie, Francis and Jeanne went right over my home town on the Southern end of the peninsula.

Millions of people went without power and water for up to 3 weeks. My wife and I had just purchased two homes a couple of years prior as she loves the US and I came back from Asia begrudgingly to make her happy and teach her how things worked. She is a Thai woman and well educated in both Thailand and US. Then the hurricanes came, back to back to back knocking out power the first time 3 weeks, the second storm for about 2 weeks and the third for 5 days. Both of my homes sustained a lot of damage TWO times in a month and a half. My main house as it was at the end of the street where all the debris from everyone's homes on the block plowed into mine.

During those evenings you could hear gunfire and commotion going on. The only law and order was "hometown heroes" brought together by local radio stations, our only source of information. Those DJs stayed up day after day taking calls from real people needing real help. Many of the police were protecting their own families while others had been called away to help in the rich areas of Palm Beach. Leaving the outer communities open season for people to take advantage of the situation.

There were reports of gangs in the area doing home invasions and robbing people My next-door neighbor's boyfriend had a handgun and I let him borrow one of my rifles. Another guy, an electrician for the city had guns and other supplies so we pooled our resources. We sat in lawn chairs night in and night out protecting our women, food and our properties. There were trucks driving by with many guys in the back looking around for targets of opportunity. We kept a fire burning clearly showing our weapons. They never stopped but they did around the corner robbing and beating an elderly couple who owned a house between two empty lots.

There was nothing we could do but listen and the sad part was they didn't have anything but they were vulnerable. The husband ended up dying not long after of internal bleeding and sadly his wife did too shortly after him.

Of course, the whole world didn't know dick about the reality just what was happening in the rich neighborhoods of Palm Beach. All the rich snowbirds from New York including Trump and his estate Mara Lago.

It was lucky I had 500 gallons of water stored along with canned goods and dry stock. I grew up in California during which time we had air raid drills for a nuclear attack at school a few times a month. This was a reality, not a conspiracy as America and Russia where still in the depths of the so-called "Cold War". Why was California on like this? Back then there were nuclear missile silos up and down the coast from just north of Los Angeles up to about 100 miles south of San Francisco.

I don't know about you but I sure as hell would feel safer with a semi-automatic rifle then the ones I have in that situation. The more powerful the better. Now think of say, a farmer with crops and land along with a big family. After several days of no water, food or power people will do anything and they would go after farms and storehouses first then move on to private homes. Having at least a fighting chance with formidable firepower to protect yourself is better than having nothing or a single-shot pistol or rifle.

Do you honestly think these shootings will end with a ban on such weapons? None of this happened until 20 years ago and people were more heavily armed before. What has changed? How do you enforce such a ban? Why are your talking points mirroring what is plastered on mainstream? Is it because you listen and believe everything you hear? I have watched the news via Satellite from all over Europe here in Thailand and it makes me sick. The picture they paint could not be farther from the truth. When it is questioned like a bunch of drones the conspiracy card is pulled out. Does none of this remind anybody of the past? It should or perhaps you believe the rewritten version of the past.

I'm stating life experiences not what I was told on television or read in statistical analysis based on what? What is this nonsense about Star Wars and the high ground?

In your rationale, anybody who prepares for a disaster is a or even worse, thinks for themselves questioning what they are told is a conspiracy nut

Keep the veil over your head and be herded like the rest of the sheep. If your only argument is believing the news and statistics then parroting whatever is said, by all means, claim victory Obi-Wan. The ground you stand on is quicksand and you are too late to get out. May the force of the mind control media be with you.

Woah, that was alot of text. All without mention about how everybody owning semi-automatic rifles vs nobody owning semi-automatic rifles makes any difference.
Maybe just nice people will own the rifles in your scenario. And that would be pretty cool, i agree.
But you said my claims were not based in reality, but somehow in your reality the only ones with rifles will be the good guys?
Im truly sorry that you have developed an inferiority complex after reading my awesome comment, and i know what im talking about, since the same thing happened to me after reading your amazing comment the other day.
I did not even realize i had developed an inferiority complex before you told me, so this is me returning the favor.

By the way, quicksand being something one should be worried about is just something that is true in cartoons and your imagination.
Maybe its them mind controlling alternative news sites that have you believe such a thing.
But thanks for trying to warn me about another imaginary threat.

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[imanorange]

You can't just off criminals that swiftly, sounds like more populist bravado pre-2nd term

It most certainly is political but it's also proactive instead of doing nothing like Obama. It's also in direct response to the comments made by Obama regarding the shootings but he had to throw a jab out there. This is both out of line and hypocritical. HE had 34 mass shootings during his years robbing the country, I mean in office. Previous presidents never criticize the man coming after him, never:

“We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred and normalizes racist sentiment," he said. "Leaders who demonize those who don't look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people."

What has Trump said or done that is racist? The Dems are so desperate they are hitting below the belt and have to pull out our boy Barry, I mean Barrack. Pathetic

 

[goatwack]

They don't call Politics the great unifier for nothing

 

[paul7388]

Woah, that was alot of text. All without mention about how everybody owning semi-automatic rifles vs nobody owning semi-automatic rifles makes any difference.
Maybe just nice people will own the rifles in your scenario. And that would be pretty cool, i agree.
But you said my claims were not based in reality, but somehow in your reality the only ones with rifles will be the good guys?
Im truly sorry that you have developed an inferiority complex after reading my awesome comment, and i know what im talking about, since the same thing happened to me after reading your amazing comment the other day.
I did not even realize i had developed an inferiority complex before you told me, so this is me returning the favor.

By the way, quicksand being something one should be worried about is just something that is true in cartoons and your imagination.
Maybe its them mind controlling alternative news sites that have you believe such a thing.
But thanks for trying to warn me about another imaginary threat.

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Not getting in between you two lol.

But just thought i would mention that quicksand can be dangerous. It Will not kill you quick but there have been quite a few deaths in UK due to people getting stuck in quicksand on the beaches and drowning as the tide comes in quick before they can escape.

Now i will sit back and let you continue

 

[TheAddict]

@imanorange .
Your post above really reminded me of something i read where someone wrote a detailed description of his own "shit hits the fan" style situation in Bosnia, where the grid went down for a much, much longer period than what you had to endure. People gathering in large groups, scouting for the most vulnerable people . Amongst some of the most valuable thngs being food, water, antibiotics and lighters.. ammunition and more than one firearm, being right up there at the top. People alone never lasting, like the 2 elderly people you mentioned ..




But seriously, when people gather into a large group and go looking for the easiest targets to loot from or smell some expensive steak in the air, coming from that nice looking house at the end of that long driveway, are you suggesting that the following isn't a sufficient deterrent? ..

 

[Kroffe]

Not getting in between you two lol.

But just thought i would mention that quicksand can be dangerous. It Will not kill you quick but there have been quite a few deaths in UK due to people getting stuck in quicksand on the beaches and drowning as the tide comes in quick before they can escape.

Now i will sit back and let you continue

Yes, its true that while you chill in the quicksand, if you do not know how to get out, you can be killed by something else.
I could not find any numbers on how many people die to quicksand related accidents per year, but i dont think it would be a very big number.
Im probably more likely to slip and die in my bathtub than i am dying a quicksand-related death. And maybe this is just me being brave, but im not that scared of my bathtub. I use it once a year for the christmas cleaning, if i have gathered alot of dirt a particular year, i might even use it twice.

 

[Kroffe]

@imanorange .
Your post above really reminded me of something i read where someone wrote a detailed description of his own "shit hits the fan" style situation in Bosnia, where the grid went down for a much, much longer period than what you had to endure. People gathering in large groups, scouting for the most vulnerable people . Amongst some of the most valuable thngs being food, water, antibiotics and lighters.. ammunition and more than one firearm, being right up there at the top. People alone never lasting, like the 2 elderly people you mentioned ..




But seriously, when people gather into a large group and go looking for the easiest targets to loot from or smell some expensive steak in the air, coming from that nice looking house at the end of that long driveway, are you suggesting that the following isn't a sufficient deterrent? ..






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If you want to scare anyone away, you need to go at it with a bit more gusto!

 

[paul7388]

Yes, its true that while you chill in the quicksand, if you do not know how to get out, you can be killed by something else.
I could not find any numbers on how many people die to quicksand related accidents per year, but i dont think it would be a very big number.
Im probably more likely to slip and die in my bathtub than i am dying a quicksand-related death. And maybe this is just me being brave, but im not that scared of my bathtub. I use it once a year for the christmas cleaning, if i have gathered alot of dirt a particular year, i might even use it twice.

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But do you not need to wash quite often it must be hard for you to type on here with those sticky fingers and hands your keyboard must be some mess.

Only because of obviously all that honey you pull from the trees

 

[Kroffe]

But do you not need to wash quite often it must be hard for you to type on here with those sticky fingers and hands your keyboard must be some mess.

Only because of obviously all that honey you pull from the trees

If i feel the need for some honey while using the computer, i will use a spoon.
Tho i admit, honey tastes the best when you eat it with your hands. Normally this does not require me taking a bath afterwards, i just wash my hands. =)

 

[imanorange]

Woah, that was alot of text. All without mention about how everybody owning semi-automatic rifles vs nobody owning semi-automatic rifles makes any difference.
Maybe just nice people will own the rifles in your scenario. And that would be pretty cool, i agree.
But you said my claims were not based in reality, but somehow in your reality the only ones with rifles will be the good guys?
Im truly sorry that you have developed an inferiority complex after reading my awesome comment, and i know what im talking about, since the same thing happened to me after reading your amazing comment the other day.
I did not even realize i had developed an inferiority complex before you told me, so this is me returning the favor.

By the way, quicksand being something one should be worried about is just something that is true in cartoons and your imagination.
Maybe its them mind controlling alternative news sites that have you believe such a thing.
But thanks for trying to warn me about another imaginary threat.

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Judging from your reply just about everything went over your head Obi-Wan. You didn't get that joke either but you almost picked up on the quicksand. I can't justify responding cheers!

Assumptions are your windows on the world. you need to scrub yours off a bit and let some light in.

 

[imanorange]

@imanorange .
Your post above really reminded me of something i read where someone wrote a detailed description of his own "shit hits the fan" style situation in Bosnia, where the grid went down for a much, much longer period than what you had to endure. People gathering in large groups, scouting for the most vulnerable people . Amongst some of the most valuable thngs being food, water, antibiotics and lighters.. ammunition and more than one firearm, being right up there at the top. People alone never lasting, like the 2 elderly people you mentioned ..




But seriously, when people gather into a large group and go looking for the easiest targets to loot from or smell some expensive steak in the air, coming from that nice looking house at the end of that long driveway, are you suggesting that the following isn't a sufficient deterrent? ..






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I love the levity mate cheers! English wit gets me every time, well played.

When people are hungry or see the opportunity to take advantage of others you'd be surprised what they are willing to do. I've seen both multiple times.

I witnessed similar when I was 8 years old and my families how in California burned down. After the fire was out, people started walking through and taking what they wanted. My father went nuts and brought over a couple of friends staying a few nights in tents with weapons.

There is serious punishment for looting and price gauging but it's not much of a deterrent. Perhaps a dose of something to give the offenders the jiggs like the image above would.

 

[Kroffe]

Judging from your reply just about everything went over your head Obi-Wan. You didn't get that joke either but you almost picked up on the quicksand. I can't justify responding cheers!

Assumptions are your windows on the world. you need to scrub yours off a bit and let some light in.

I think you may have misunderstood what a response is. And if you think you will gain the high-ground by such a weak-ass passive agressive "last word" respone, then i feel truly sorry for you.
All you did was rant about something that had happened to you, non of it explained why everybody being armed with semi-automatic rifles somehow makes people more safe as opposed to them having pistols.
You just keep avoiding answering questions.

Why dont you, who claims to know so much, shower this thread with links to all the facts&statistics you have uncovered during your long years of research? Dont you want people to know the truth?

And nice try, like i would scrub my windows and let the mind-control rays in.... Classic sith move.

 

[paul7388]

Oh well guessing this thread won't make page 200

Where are you @Harry_BKK we need you and the

 

[goatwack]

Can we at least all agree that the best Star Wars is still Empire Strikes Back