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And the right never mentions that the number of illegal immigrants is declining since 2010. At its lowest level in 2016.
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And the right never mentions that the number of illegal immigrants is declining since 2010. At its lowest level in 2016.
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"Politico reported that the House speaker told top committee chairmen: “I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison.”"
Go go Pelosi! <3
Go go Pelosi! <3
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That last bit did give me a chuckleI genuinely thought you had a lot of time for CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc..
I think the media create/determine what is the 'biggest' story of the day according to their underlying agenda [not withstanding natural disasters and sudden events like a terror attack, obviously these stories will tend to take precedence when they occur]
Obviously there are a lot of hours to fill so every 'issue' is going to get some coverage, including wage stagnation, crime problems and homelessness etc... but things like the russia collusion theory and the stormy daniels affair story would get more coverage when really they affect the average person's day to day life less. [edited to remove border wall disputes ]
Some of it might be a innocent diversion/entertainment strategy to take people's minds off long term problems the govt seem unable or unwilling to solve, whereas people seem interested and enlivened by discussing donald.
I don't know if you would count this as better research but it seems Barack Obama viewed Nafta in a negative light too.
at 1.43 it doesn't get much clearer:
A slightly longer video montage
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Its back on the rise.
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‘Fox News and Trump insulting Americans including Mueller (who received a Bronze Star and Purple Heart) in a MILITARY CEMETERY to mark D-DAY seems to cross a line we still might have somewhere?’
But nope.
Then you wonder why so many of us are not fans.
But nope.
Then you wonder why so many of us are not fans.
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I genuinely thought you had a lot of time for CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc..
I think the media create/determine what is the 'biggest' story of the day according to their underlying agenda [not withstanding natural disasters and sudden events like a terror attack, obviously these stories will tend to take precedence when they occur]
Obviously there are a lot of hours to fill so every 'issue' is going to get some coverage, including wage stagnation, crime problems and homelessness etc... but things like the russia collusion theory and the stormy daniels affair story would get more coverage when really they affect the average person's day to day life less. [edited to remove border wall disputes ]
Some of it might be a innocent diversion/entertainment strategy to take people's minds off long term problems the govt seem unable or unwilling to solve, whereas people seem interested and enlivened by discussing donald.
I don't know if you would count this as better research but it seems Barack Obama viewed Nafta in a negative light too.
at 1.43 it doesn't get much clearer:
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Obama was not happy with parts of NAFTA. His administration was already in negotiations with Canada and Mexico when Mr. T came in. It was practically done already but Mr. T then asked for totally unreasonable stuff and the negotiations went one for another year or thereabouts. Mr. T got then 0.25% more in agricultural products US farmers can export tariff-free to Canada and a few more percent on the part of a car that has to be produced in the US and/or at certain wage levels as pretty much the only improvements over Obama's version. As I said in a previous post, that is what you as a negotiator keep as reserves to give to the other side so they can save face.
But yeah, Mr. T was out to show the world and his fans what a great dealmaker he is.
Read the draft from just before Obama left and the one Mr. T signed. You'll be having the laugh of your life. Mr. T is selling it now for the "best deal ever" which is not true just like "best economy ever", "biggest tax cut ever" etc etc. I genuinely thought you had a lot of time for CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc..
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Yeah, when I saw it I thought..... "Wow, Mr. T and Faux News can indeed go lower, much lower."
Wait for the election year and there will be a new line being crossed pretty much on a daily basis.
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Yes, let Mr. T put them on because American companies will suffer just as bad because production parts often cross the MX-US-CA borders multiple times until they end up in a finished product.
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They could have had the same standard if the Western world would not have suppressed them for centuries as colonies or plundered their wealth relentlessly.
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Its midnight, Time for Tucker and Fox news.
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On Sean hannity.
Hannity responding to a report in Politico that House Speaker
In a clip posted online Hannity said:
“Based on no actual crimes, she wants a political opponent locked up in prison? That happens in banana republics ― beyond despicable behavior. And, by the way, they would literally turn, in many ways, the USA into a country we no longer recognize.”
Sorry to say Sean, WE ARE ALREADY THERE. thanks to your guy.
Let’s revisit the lock her up chants that trump still uses. That’s not behavior from a wanna be dictator at all.
Now Hannity would appear to believe that’s “banana republic” behavior but not when trump was doing it. Nope. You have to love how this works.
Hannity responding to a report in Politico that House Speaker
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.”In a clip posted online Hannity said:
“Based on no actual crimes, she wants a political opponent locked up in prison? That happens in banana republics ― beyond despicable behavior. And, by the way, they would literally turn, in many ways, the USA into a country we no longer recognize.”
Sorry to say Sean, WE ARE ALREADY THERE. thanks to your guy.
Let’s revisit the lock her up chants that trump still uses. That’s not behavior from a wanna be dictator at all.
Now Hannity would appear to believe that’s “banana republic” behavior but not when trump was doing it. Nope. You have to love how this works.
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I have not heard one plan that would deal with this problem. Not the dems not the gop.
It has gone on for too long and now seems uncontrollable.
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I was thinking of posting about this too.
The hypocrisy is simply mindblowing.
And it wasn't just Mr. T - Flynn, Pirro and many more from Mr. T's close circle.
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Pelosi and Shummer (McConnel to) are all part of the DC swamp. They're selling this country out.
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I must admit though, every time The Donald does or says something and the left has one of their kanipshins this jet commercial comes to mind.
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I was talking now and in the future whereas that seems to imply the chance to have the same standard has now passed due to the plundering?
Not sure if these statistics are 100% accurate but the US is 5% of the worlds population and yet uses 25% of the worlds resources, so on that basis the lifestyle or model is not replicable throughout the world. Though I'm not sure the statistic is that the consumers are consuming the resources alone or it includes all the corporate and government activities as well.[exports and military being two big areas]
We're all going to have to live a more sustainable lifestyle if the world population continues to grow, and it could be argued as more natural resources [gas, coal in power stations etc] are required to sustain life in the 'north' through the winters etc..increasing the population of the north through immigration from the hotter regions of the planet is going to use up the natural resources at a higher rate. E.g for every million the us's population rises the resource consumption goes up quicker [subject to the basic standard of living not declining] so it's not atm a green policy.
I genuinely thought you had a lot of time for CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc..
The irony is there used to be a broader base of opinion until the corporate media bought out the smaller outlets. I think 6 companies own most of the tv channels in the US, where publishing [newspapers and books] fits in I'm not sure, but the range of opinion is shrinking which damages democracy and freedom of expression. So when something like the Iraq war is being proposed, 90% of the media are in favour, which is going to influence the public, and only afterwards is the folly realised by the majority of the public but by then the media has moved on and is promoting the next war [NB I think the same 90%, minus fox, wanted hillary as president, make of that what you will]
“What happened to radio, happened to television, and then it happened to cable. If we are not diligent, then it will happen to the Internet [creating] a media plantation for the 21st Century dominated by the same corporate and ideological forces that have controlled the media for the last 50 years.”
Bill Moyers, keynote speech (comparing big media corporations to plantation owners and American media consumers to their slaves) opening 2007 Media Reform Conference, Jan. 12, 2007
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Just curious how pelosi and schummer are selling out the country seeing they haven’t had a majority since I don’t know when.
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You mean the way the right used to be when Obama cheated on his second wife with his now third wife and then cheated on the third wife with a porn star and paid her off with campaign money.
Or was it that time he lied. And lied. And lied some more. Even when there was video proof of him lying he still lied again. That time?
No?
Maybe it was that time He denied all those Russian meetings and contacts. And we find out 2 years later there were 225 contacts and meeting to help him win an election.
Or was it that time he stood on foreign ground and sided with a country that attacked our nation instead of his own fbi.
Or that time He said the mueller report exonerated him and that the report was a good report but now suddenly the report is rubbish...was it that time ....No wait...that wasn’t Obama...
Stop telling us that this is all normal. This behaviour from a president is not normal.
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You'll figure it it out.
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Maybe the problem is you let it bother you a little too much.
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That you can still gloat about your Mr. T is beyond belief. But then it is your choice/opinion and shows your persona.
Sitting in front of the graves of real heroes who gave their lives yet he's uttering complete lies, profanities and insults while the rest has to wait for your idol to finish his interview. That alone shows exactly who and what Mr. T is.
A coward who dodged the draft showing as throughout his life that he has no respect, no dignity, no class whatsoever.
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No I’m serious. How have they sold out the country.
Can’t be any worse then What trump is doing with tariffs and the taxes for the rich.
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An hour before the infrastructure meeting Pelosi accused the president of a cover up.
That was all by design because she really does not want to do an ($2 trillion btw) infrastructure bill because she does not want to give Trump a win (because election time is on the horizon).
Even if the Donald did not foolishly take the bait, she and Shummer would have found another way to weasel out of getting an infrastructure bill done.
In the mean time 70% of the infrastructure is failing. It would have meant some decent paying construction jobs, safe bridges and roadways.
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I wouldn't trade my character for yours.
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This is funny. Considering the gop were controlling both branches of governemnt for so long and nothing got done.
I don’t disagree with you. It would be nice when visiting my mom in charleston not to worry about flooding in the streets or that the bridges will collapse.
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Looks like the tariffs for Mexico has been nixed. Mexico agreed to beefing up their side of the border to prevent illegal immigration. This is a good thing.
Finally I can say something nice about mr trump.
Finally I can say something nice about mr trump.
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The tariffs would never have come into force. This was all typical Mr. T - threaten the nuclear to achieve very little and then sell it as the big win, the best deal ever.
Only time will tell what the changes they agreed to will do. Desperate people are not easy to stop and for every path you close, they will open three new ones.
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As Steviedoo said, your Mr. T had control of WH and congress for nearly two years and focused on throwing millions of people off health insurance, give his rich buddies a $1.5 trillion tax cut and increased government spending, especially on the military.
He could have done infrastructure instead but didn't bother at all. He put out a vague plan which was not workable at all, nor nearly sufficient.
Now, there is not enough money left in the coffers as the treasury is taking in much less while your deficit is spiraling. Your overall sovereign debt exceeds now 100%.
But then, this has been Mr. T's way to do business for all his life. He's run pretty much everything into the ground he started, borrowed money ad absurdum that he hardly ever repaid and never had a proper plan how to keep a business running. Pretty much how he is running the entire country right now.
The US will be in for a hard landing if you keep continuing in this style.
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Sad to see Mexico letting these bully tactics work. They shouldn't waste their resources to Trump's problems...well whatever. Victory to Trump in this unfortunately.
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that is why I included MCconnel in my original post.
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Infrastructure is considered one of the common ground issues where both parties can come together and get something passed irregardless of who is in majority. Like I said there was no way Pelosi was going to allow The Donald to go on the campaign trail and take credit for getting infrastructure done.
I think 2018 was a record in 2018 tax revenue collected.
I don't recall hearing anything about the Donald's spending being out of control and that is something Fox Business routinely covers.
As far as the National Debt goes, Bush increased the national debt from $5 trillion to $10 trillion, Obama from $10 trillion to $20 trillion and look at all the spending the 24 Democrats running are promising, Nation Health Care, Free College, Reparations, of course we know its bs to buy votes.
Anyway we've covered all this ad nauseum.
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Well this is where we disagree and it shows that the some anti trumpers are no better then the extreme right.
Is it being a bully or is it being tough? I am not his fan but I love this country and if trump did something good for us then that is great. I am not gonna sit here and say it wasn’t a good move.
Illegal Immigration is a real problem. It’s not a fabrication of the right or the left. It might get exaggerated and it might get downplayed for political reasons but it is real.
No one wants to hear about families seeking asylum that got separated at the border, children dying at the hands of ICE, people in cages...this is not the USA I grew up in. If this helps stop this and the influx of illegals this is good news.
Stop and look at the bigger picture.
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Except. Obama inherited a terrible economy and fought through the worse economic depression since the depression.
“Economists typically recommend that the federal government increase spending, thus adding more debt, during times of economic struggles and then pay down that debt when the economy recovers.
So while economic theory would support Obama's spending to help support the economy, Trump's recent debt binge has less support among economists.”
Trump has had a great economy (one he inherited and now we can say it his) and has done nothing to pay down the debt. He’s increased it by 2.3 trillion. He promised to wipe off the debt in 8 years.
Only two presidents were good for the economy. Bush sr and Clinton.
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I don't feel any sympathy for your country at the moment. Your country is making the immigration problem worse. Your country is separating families. Children die in your country's custody. Your country is putting families in cages. And knowing Trump...it's definitely bullying. He could seek Mexico's cooperation with diplomacy etc. But all he knows are threats and forcing things to go his way no matter what.
That's why I want US isolated as much as possible. I want China to come to us (EU) and start cooperating more together.
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Trump could even ask for Canada's help. Maybe they could hold some of those migrants for a while. But with Trump that kind of thing is impossible. He'd need to threat Canada somehow to do that.
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Well I have a solution for 2020. Missouri gave me an idea...thanks republicans! Mandatory colonoscopy for all males before they get to vote.
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What is stopping you? You (and every member in the forum) represent a country, contact your leaders and explain to them how bad the USA and Donald Trump are handling the immigration crisis and you think your country should take in some of the asylum seekers. Let us know what they tell you.
Or you could take some of your gambling bankroll and help out that way.
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Your problem. You deal with it. Or you can become Finland's vassal state and we can deal with it then.
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Just what I thought, all talk.
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Bush Sr. had a recession, as an fyi, only two presidents since WWII did not win a second term, Jimmy Carter and Bush Sr. Both had the unfortunate luck of a down economy.
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lol. alright...how much money have you donated for the wall then?
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There you go! Since you're all about action
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It just goes to show mexico wasn't doing it's bit or could at least do more on their side of the border to help.
Now I'm just thinking aloud here, so don't shoot me down, but I wonder how much the old enmity between mexico and the USA still exists under the surface, remember you had the alamo, and apparently the following states were once part of mexico: Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California. But they were given up as part of a peace deal to end the wars in 1848.
So bearing that in mind it wouldn't surprise me at some level the mexican police and law authorities don't really care, for example, if illegal drugs are shipped into the US via mexico, as some of the money from the trade filters back into corrupt officials back pockets. Ditto illegal immigration, but trump's tariff threat meant it was going to hurt them in the pocket if things didn't change, so miraculously they've quickly come to table now with a commitment to help further.
Now I'm just thinking aloud here, so don't shoot me down, but I wonder how much the old enmity between mexico and the USA still exists under the surface, remember you had the alamo, and apparently the following states were once part of mexico: Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California. But they were given up as part of a peace deal to end the wars in 1848.
So bearing that in mind it wouldn't surprise me at some level the mexican police and law authorities don't really care, for example, if illegal drugs are shipped into the US via mexico, as some of the money from the trade filters back into corrupt officials back pockets. Ditto illegal immigration, but trump's tariff threat meant it was going to hurt them in the pocket if things didn't change, so miraculously they've quickly come to table now with a commitment to help further.
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umm...so if this is correct...Trump just did a show how his threat worked? when it was all planned months ahead of time...or did I understand this correctly?
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anti American no matter what happens or what is done.
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I don't have to donate to the wall I pay thousands in taxes.
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I got a few bricks falling out of my garden wall at the house I've just moved into if ya wanna let Don know. Will have to excuse the smell of cat piss.
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As if I would have known it if you see one of my previous posts.
Threaten the nuclear to gain very little and sell it as a big win. Typical braggard snake oil salesman.
He achieved though what he yearns all the time: attention and adulation.
In truth, Mr. T only saved his face by accepting this deal as he was in danger of having Republicans doing something against his "threatened" tariffs, plus it had the potential to turn a lot of his voters against him. So basically, this was a planned political theater that caused more commotion than it was worth it. The hilarious TV-reality show never stops.
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You can read the signed agreement here:
It is the same vague nonsense as Mr. T signed with Kim in Singapore. If he would be really the tough negotiator, that he falsely claims to be, then there would be some concrete numbers/dates/goals to achieve in the agreement. There is no mechanic included how to measure success/failure of it.
So, Mexico can reduce the numbers from now roughly 150K / month to lets say 100K / month, which is still higher than 2 years ago, and there is little in the agreement that Mr. T can do other than starting the "tariff threat" again. So much for Mr. T bragging and promising to end illegal immigration during his campaign.
Geez, my 9-year old is a better negotiator when I decline to buy some sort of toy for him.
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It is the same vague nonsense as Mr. T signed with Kim in Singapore. If he would be really the tough negotiator, that he falsely claims to be, then there would be some concrete numbers/dates/goals to achieve in the agreement. There is no mechanic included how to measure success/failure of it.
So, Mexico can reduce the numbers from now roughly 150K / month to lets say 100K / month, which is still higher than 2 years ago, and there is little in the agreement that Mr. T can do other than starting the "tariff threat" again. So much for Mr. T bragging and promising to end illegal immigration during his campaign.
Geez, my 9-year old is a better negotiator when I decline to buy some sort of toy for him.
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