North Korea and US politics

[mack341]

I have tried most on the list, but i dont play much png slots.
Reactoonz and Boof of dead are both good slots that can give nice hits.

I have some weird hate-love relationship with Dragon maiden.
I have never hit anything over 70-80x stake, but i keep going back to it every now and then.
Would guess its low-medium volatile. Looks like the bonus can deliver good hits, but it never does.
Atleast not yet.

I've played that dragon game a few times, the bonus frequency is amazing, bloody hard to get the golden spins though, like yourself I've not won much on it but I live in hope

 

[Kroffe]

I've played that dragon game a few times, the bonus frequency is amazing, bloody hard to get the golden spins though, like yourself I've not won much on it but I live in hope

Yeah, in theory it should be able to dish out pretty big hit in those golden spins that you unlock in the bonus.
Throw 3-4 Maidens there and make them expand+wild, and some decent symbols around.
One day it will happen.
maybe.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yeah, in theory it should be able to dish out pretty big hit in those golden spins that you unlock in the bonus.
Throw 3-4 Maidens there and make them expand+wild, and some decent symbols around.
One day it will happen.
maybe.

I'm sure @Harry_BKK has a nice datasheet of how probable that is

 

[mack341]

Back on the NK thread normal style subjects, I was reading with interest that bill gates is not too keen on elizabeth warren's wealth tax, which could involve a 3-6% charge on anyone's wealth above 1 billion. There are also charges mooted for the millionaire class too.

Gates can never spend the money he's got already, so not sure I understand his points about the warren charge affecting the motivation to make more money, but I guess he's talking about entrepreneurs in general. 3% doesn't seem too high but after 10 years you've helped yourself to nearly a third of the original year 1 amount and probably more taking into account inflation and the billionaire's wealth increasing from investments.

Her health plan is going to cost in the region of 20 trillion dollars over ten years, so average 2 trillion a year, if she could get it into a deliverable policy, with all the figures crunched, simple and clear, maybe it will be a good vote winner across the broad base of voters?

But I think she could be trying to run before she walks, and would be better focusing on universal/low charge healthcare for certain diseases and conditions, the more serious stuff. If somebody poor gets cancer or kidney disease etc..what happens to them atm if they haven't got health insurance or can't afford to pay for the tests, treatment and medicines?

If warren was clever she could say to bill gates, what would be your alternative plan to fix our health care inequality, he might have some good ideas up his sleeve, he seems very interested in vaccines and spends a lot of time trying to vaccinate the third world.

 

[Kroffe]

I'm sure @Harry_BKK has a nice datasheet of how probable that is

Thing is, do i really want to see the numbers on that?
"Ah, the 500x+ win you are looking for is 1 in 48 million to hit."
=(

 

[Kroffe]

Oh, but i do have a question for @Harry_BKK

You said something about Creature from the black lagoon and/or Lost island were underway to be ported to Html5 right?
Really miss those games. =)

 

[Steviedoo]

Just a question non korea related seeing we are talking HTML versions of slots...what will happen to all the games that are not in HTML in microgaming library....I’ve come across quite a few flash games this week at quite a few casinos ...will they just stop working ...

 

[Kroffe]

Just a question non korea related seeing we are talking HTML versions of slots...what will happen to all the games that are not in HTML in microgaming library....I’ve come across quite a few flash games this week at quite a few casinos ...will they just stop working ...

I think the browsers will stop supporting flash, so it wont be possible to open flash-games.
Atleast thats how i have understood it.
Since it wont get any security-updates etc, it will become a liability to have it in a browser.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Oh, but i do have a question for @Harry_BKK

You said something about Creature from the black lagoon and/or Lost island were underway to be ported to Html5 right?
Really miss those games. =)

Here you go

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just a question non korea related seeing we are talking HTML versions of slots...what will happen to all the games that are not in HTML in microgaming library....I’ve come across quite a few flash games this week at quite a few casinos ...will they just stop working ...

HTML5 games will vanish latest on 1st January 2021. Right now the browsers still allow you to manually activate. That will be removed.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Thing is, do i really want to see the numbers on that?
"Ah, the 500x+ win you are looking for is 1 in 48 million to hit."
=(

And to complete it all. Here the chance to hit max win on Dragon Maiden. For comparison, BoD is one in 37.5 million

 

[mack341]

And to complete it all. Here the chance to hit max win on Dragon Maiden. For comparison, BoD is one in 37.5 million

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strange having played it I wouldn't place it at 10/10 volatility, maybe that rating relates to the bonus round, which does feel very volatile with most results being poor.

 

[Kroffe]

strange having played it I wouldn't place it at 10/10 volatility, maybe that rating relates to the bonus round, that does feel very volatile with most results being poor.

I feel the same.
I would rate it more medium-ish. Maybe give it a 4 or a 5/10
Basegame usually keeps balance pretty steady, and bonuses usually dont take too long to land.

 

[ternur]

Does this turn in the thread mean NK is now a new market for online gambling?

 

[Harry_BKK]

Does this turn in the thread mean NK is now a new market for online gambling?

Impeachment talk is too boring.

And NK is still as it was 3 years ago.

 

[Kroffe]

Daamnit Harry!
You need to tell me these things!

Finnally (hah) Hoff gets a worthy opponent.

 

[mack341]

Try Wild Rails. I am pretty sure you will like it.

Thanks again Harry, gave it a go just now, a nice game with potential. Only played at 30p stake as I have a tendency to lose my wins back, which is the worst feeling. In this week alone I've jettisoned about £800 back to casinos, with bonanza to blame for half that loss at least.

what a stupid game that is for rinsing a balance, after an avalanche of dead spins you're left with no option but to plough on...if you do manage to get a bonus, going for a second feels like collecting another 40 hearts on lil devil after just doing it

It was only ever tenable on the basis of crazy type wins with large multipliers, but they're rarer than a dodo.

Anyway here are my wild rail pics, decent bonus result and good base game hit when the 3 bottom railways all went wild, equivalent wins on bonanza don't come easy, and I managed to trigger two bonuses on WR in the space of about 20 mins or less, and with no inane banjo music either

 

[Kroffe]

Borrowing this thread for slot-related question again. =)

@Harry_BKK
Do games have to state in the help-file if betsize affects chance of hitting something?
I noticed quite a few of the sites that have Grand spinn dont have the progressive attatched to it.
But i did not see anything in the helpfile about how increased betsize would increase chance for progressive jackpot hit.

The biggest hit on the non-progressive version is "only" 10 000x, but hitting a progressive on 4p would be closer to 150 000 - 200 000x stake. So if i have the same shot at hitting a progressive as i have hitting a measly 10 000x, then its dumb to ever play the non-progressive versions.

Edit: got a nice hit for 400x just now.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Borrowing this thread for slot-related question again. =)

@Harry_BKK
Do games have to state in the help-file if betsize affects chance of hitting something?
I noticed quite a few of the sites that have Grand spinn dont have the progressive attatched to it.
But i did not see anything in the helpfile about how increased betsize would increase chance for progressive jackpot hit.

The biggest hit on the non-progressive version is "only" 10 000x, but hitting a progressive on 4p would be closer to 150 000 - 200 000x stake. So if i have the same shot at hitting a progressive as i have hitting a measly 10 000x, then its dumb to ever play the non-progressive versions.

Edit: got a nice hit for 400x just now.

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To my knowledge, game providers have to state it in the rules/paytable only if the bet size is directly relative to winning the jackpot or even just entering the jackpot bonus game (if there is one).

If there is no mention, then bet size does not matter.

However, in the case of NetEnt, they have an average number of spins at EUR€1 for a jackpot to hit, e.g. on Grand Spinn Superpot it is 1 in 1,678,284 (at €1 bet). So, if you play it at €0.02 you have to take that number by x50

On Grand Spinn without the progressive it does not matter as the jackpot is fixed. The chance to win it is 1:167,700

Grand Spinn

Grand Spinn Superpot

 

[Kroffe]

To my knowledge, game providers have to state it in the rules/paytable only if the bet size is directly relative to winning the jackpot or even just entering the jackpot bonus game (if there is one).

If there is no mention, then bet size does not matter.

However, in the case of NetEnt, they have an average number of spins at EUR€1 for a jackpot to hit, e.g. on Grand Spinn Superpot it is 1 in 1,678,284 (at €1 bet). So, if you play it at €0.02 you have to take that number by x50

On Grand Spinn without the progressive it does not matter as the jackpot is fixed. The chance to win it is 1:167,700

Grand Spinn

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Grand Spinn Superpot

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But is that how the advantage scales?
So someone spinning at 50p will have to do twice the amount of spins to hit the progressive on average?
I didnt think the advantage of a bigger betsize was that massive.
Not that it matters, im gonna hit the progressive on 4p anyways.

Edit: And thanks for the info! Wish they had those in the game with the helpfile.
=)

 

[Harry_BKK]

But is that how the advantage scales?
So someone spinning at 50p will have to do twice the amount of spins to hit the progressive on average?
I didnt think the advantage of a bigger betsize was that massive.
Not that it matters, im gonna hit the progressive on 4p anyways.

That is for NetEnt. Don't know how others calculate it. MG/Playtech are not as generous with giving out data.

Just checking if I can find anything on Quickspin's first progressive.

 

[Harry_BKK]

But is that how the advantage scales?
So someone spinning at 50p will have to do twice the amount of spins to hit the progressive on average?
I didnt think the advantage of a bigger betsize was that massive.
Not that it matters, im gonna hit the progressive on 4p anyways.

Edit: And thanks for the info! Wish they had those in the game with the helpfile.
=)

Quickspin only has one sentence: "The chance of winning the progressive GRAND Jackpot correlates positively with the bet size."

Just as a reminder: You are basically playing a 87% RTP game with Grand Spinn Superpot and it is worse on Quickspin's Dragon Chase with 83%. The rest is all in the jackpots.

 

[Kroffe]

Quickspin only has one sentence: "The chance of winning the progressive GRAND Jackpot correlates positively with the bet size."

Just as a reminder: You are basically playing a 87% RTP game with Grand Spinn Superpot and it is worse on Quickspin's Dragon Chase with 83%. The rest is all in the jackpots.

But apart from the "mega" you do hit the jackpots quite often.
I dont know, it does not feel like a sub 96% slot when im playing it.
Luck will probably turn soon, but as of now, i have made around €90 withdrawals from the game, all on 4p spins.
It pays really well if you get all three wilds.

 

[Kroffe]

Or wait, maybe i misunderstood.
Grand spinn superpot is the one with progressive i guess, and the fixed version is just grand spinn?

I have not played the version with progressive nearly as much as the other one.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Or wait, maybe i misunderstood.
Grand spinn superpot is the one with progressive i guess, and the fixed version is just grand spinn?

I have not played the version with progressive nearly as much as the other one.

Exactly. Superpot is the progressive jackpot version.

You caught it in a lucky moment. The game has max NetEnt volatility, so it could go the 90EUR at 0.04 both ways.

 

[Kroffe]

Exactly. Superpot is the progressive jackpot version.

You caught it in a lucky moment. The game has max NetEnt volatility, so it could go the 90EUR at 0.04 both ways.

So we are 100% ruling out slots being skill-based then?

Yeah ive been lucky. I can easy see it go €90 down without getting a good hit.
I usually put 25 or 50 autos at a time. Sometimes the 25 autos are ALL dead.
So you need those 50-100x hits just to stay ahead.

 

[Tilter]

strange having played it I wouldn't place it at 10/10 volatility, maybe that rating relates to the bonus round, which does feel very volatile with most results being poor.

10/10 volatility seems too big guess 6/10 would be enough and should give a good result

 

[goatwack]

I've seen and done some thread-derailment in my day, but this just takes the p*ss

Sabotage!!

 

[Harry_BKK]

No comment!

 

[mack341]

I've just looked up the 2020 presidential elections on wiki, what was confusing me was I'm sure there were elections for the congress not long ago, and sure enough " Elections for representatives are held in every even-numbered year" so they must be fighting elections and worrying about that every two years, raising money for advertising etc... why not let them have four years

I think two years in the olden days felt like a longer period of time than nowadays, with complicated issues, two years is a very short time span. But then again better to be able to get shot of someone failing to live up to the job, we could've done with this option in the uk.

according to wiki :

"The 2020 United States elections will be held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020. All 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives, 35 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate, and the office of president of the United States will be contested."

That's also got me scratching my head, how comes only 35, are the senators permanent or have 8 year terms

edit: just checked again, apparently senators have 6 year terms, and they stagger the elections into 3, so every 2 years roughly a third have to take part in an election. I guess that's the system the founding fathers determined was the best match for their ideals and goals.

Apparently splits are starting to appear in the dems over warren, with moderates not so keen as the time nears for the final decision, gonna be interesting if the dnc plumb for someone different, I guess it's their call, or do they put it to a public vote area by area as the republicans did when trump ran?

 

[sufferinsilence]

There will be Democratic primaries and caucasuses starting in February, Iowa is up first. After the February votes alot of candidates will be done, but it's probably after Super Tuesday early March that there'll be a clear view of who's going to be the frontrunner.

 

[Tilter]

I've seen and done some thread-derailment in my day, but this just takes the p*ss

Sabotage!!

exact my thought about it but maybe it gets better after some time

 

[Kroffe]

I've seen and done some thread-derailment in my day, but this just takes the p*ss

Sabotage!!

We need to bring it back to its roots.
More talk about dear leader!

 

[Steviedoo]

i suppose when trump said he would drain the swamp...he didn't mean the corrupt crooks he surrounded himself with...

• Roger Stone, A federal jury on Friday found Roger Stone
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  of lying to Congress and witness tampering in relation to his work on President Trump’s 2016 campaign,
• Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer, was sentenced in December 2018 to three years of prison for lying to Congress, campaign finance violations and tax evasion, and separately received an additional two months of prison time for lying to Congress about a Moscow Trump Tower deal.
• George Papadopoulos, a former Trump foreign policy advisor, was
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  in September 2018 to 14 days in prison (with a year of supervised release) after pleading guilty to lying to FBI agents about his contacts with Russian intermediaries during the 2016 campaign; he
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  to run for Katie Hill’s vacant California Congressional seat.
• Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager, was
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  by a Virginia court of tax and bank fraud in August 2018, and in November 2018 voided his plea deal (by lying to investigators) in separate federal charges brought by Mueller; he’s currently serving a combined seven and a half years in prison from both cases.
• Rick Gates, a former deputy to Manafort during the Trump campaign,
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  in February 2018 to charges of conspiracy against the United States and making false statements;
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  a plea bargain, he faces between four to six years in prison, but his sentencing date has yet to happen⁠—partially because he
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  against Stone.
• Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security advisor, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to lying to the FBI but nearly two years later has yet to be sentenced; his sentencing has been scheduled for early December, but could be upended by a new claim of innocence filed in federal court.

 

[mack341]

Roger Stone facing a lengthy jail term is a joke, the man is nothing more than a deluded showman, tricking himself that he is still a big political mover and shaker with influence. He probably lies to himself several times a day, let alone congress. To go to all this national effort and cost to investigate and try him as if he were some mastermind criminal is silly. The FBI swat team raid on his home was laughable, machine guns and body armour as though he was as dangerous as el chapo

Stone shouldn't have even been giving testimony to congress, he had no part in anything as there was no collusion for him to have a role in in the first place. [And probably no russian hacking but some facebook/social media ads attacking hillary]

..the bbc refer to him simply as 'trump ally' in their propaganda intended headline but I doubt Trump could have stopped him, the man was a liability to trump's election more than anything else, he had been exposed as a swinger by the national enquirer in the 90's, not exactly the kind of helper you need when trying to win conservatives over.

And the corporate media gloating over the fact he's been convicted is sick; an old, eccentric political maverick has to spend potentially the rest of his life behind bars, for what? He's not harmed anybody as far as I can tell. When all the other govt officials and politicians do far worse and get away with it, time and again, people like cheney, rumsfeld, powell etc... the world's going/gone mad!

 

[Kroffe]

I dont buy that argument.
There is always going to be someone worse.
So we cant send someone to jail unless they are like super-hitler 2.0?
He should get away with his crimes because other people are doing things that are worse?
Makes no sense.

 

[Steviedoo]

Roger Stone facing a lengthy jail term is a joke, the man is nothing more than a deluded showman, tricking himself that he is still a big political mover and shaker with influence. He probably lies to himself several times a day, let alone congress. To go to all this national effort and cost to investigate and try him as if he were some mastermind criminal is silly. The FBI swat team raid on his home was laughable, machine guns and body armour as though he was as dangerous as el chapo

Stone shouldn't have even been giving testimony to congress, he had no part in anything as there was no collusion for him to have a role in in the first place. [And probably no russian hacking but some facebook/social media ads attacking hillary]

..the bbc refer to him simply as 'trump ally' in their propaganda intended headline but I doubt Trump could have stopped him, the man was a liability to trump's election more than anything else, he had been exposed as a swinger by the national enquirer in the 90's, not exactly the kind of helper you need when trying to win conservatives over.

And the corporate media gloating over the fact he's been convicted is sick; an old, eccentric political maverick has to spend potentially the rest of his life behind bars, for what? He's not harmed anybody as far as I can tell. When all the other govt officials and politicians do far worse and get away with it, time and again, people like cheney, rumsfeld, powell etc... the world's going/gone mad!

We are not to put anyone in jail because they are too old. Or because their crimes weren’t as big as anyone else’s?

Or because he wasn’t even supposed to be testifying but yet he found it necessary to lie.


The point of my post was look how many people trump associates with that are criminals.


What are the chances that Trump is less corrupt than two of his lawyers, his campaign chair, his deputy campaign manager and his oldest political advisor?

 

[mack341]

I wouldn't oppose him getting 12 months or something along those lines, but the whole case sounds like a farce.

The witness he tampered with, randy credico, was misleading stone that he had a direct link/access to assange. Stone wanted credico to help him get assange to appear on his, stone's, radio show. And it mushroomed from there.

from cnn:

Credico continued to mislead Stone, by implying to him he was reaching Assange about WikiLeaks' Democratic email releases.

....Stone allegedly falsely told the House Intelligence Committee that Credico had been his backchannel to Assange. But prosecutors allege Stone had a different person, author and conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi, attempting to get in touch with the WikiLeaks founder to help the Trump campaign."

Stone had actually told his associate Corsi to get to Assange in 2016, but instead told the House that Credico was his backchannel to WikiLeaks. After Stone testified on the Hill, he sent scores of emails to Credico, threatening him and peppering his texts and emails with foul and explicit language.

During testimony, a former FBI agent who worked on the case said Credico emailed Stone eight times between March 2018 and May 2018 insisting that it was wrong for Stone to have told the House he was a backchannel to WikiLeaks. [even though credico had led stone to believe this himself]

Over a series of text messages, Credico confronted Stone on asking him to cover Stone's alleged perjury. Credico pointed out to Stone, via text, that he wasn't a backchannel, but Stone had told the House committee he had a backchannel."

There was no actual crime committed by stone to begin with, for mueller to raid his home etc..it's all come about by telling congress credico was his back channel, and to be fair to stone credico had led him up the garden path to believe this to some degree.

If he were to get twenty years for this charade, which the bbc were suggesting is a possibility, that in itself would be a crime.

Edit: without mueller, none of this happens, manafort etc... if you're determined to go on a witch hunt you're gonna find some witches to burn. I don't like the US justice system's way of blackmailing people to be witnesses for the prosecution, 'we won't go after you, if you testify against him' it's a stasi type tactic, which can be misused. And the plea bargaining that goes on, like with flynn, people gamble and admit guilt for fear of a draconian sentence if they don't. If you're associated with trump in any way would you really want your destiny decided by a jury residing in a democrat voting state/area?

 

[Steviedoo]

I wouldn't oppose him getting 12 months or something along those lines, but the whole case sounds like a farce.

The witness he tampered with, randy credico, was misleading stone that he had a direct link/access to assange. Stone wanted credico to help him get assange to appear on his, stone's, radio show. And it mushroomed from there.

from cnn:

Credico continued to mislead Stone, by implying to him he was reaching Assange about WikiLeaks' Democratic email releases.

....Stone allegedly falsely told the House Intelligence Committee that Credico had been his backchannel to Assange. But prosecutors allege Stone had a different person, author and conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi, attempting to get in touch with the WikiLeaks founder to help the Trump campaign."

Stone had actually told his associate Corsi to get to Assange in 2016, but instead told the House that Credico was his backchannel to WikiLeaks. After Stone testified on the Hill, he sent scores of emails to Credico, threatening him and peppering his texts and emails with foul and explicit language.

During testimony, a former FBI agent who worked on the case said Credico emailed Stone eight times between March 2018 and May 2018 insisting that it was wrong for Stone to have told the House he was a backchannel to WikiLeaks. [even though credico had led stone to believe this himself]

Over a series of text messages, Credico confronted Stone on asking him to cover Stone's alleged perjury. Credico pointed out to Stone, via text, that he wasn't a backchannel, but Stone had told the House committee he had a backchannel."

There was no actual crime committed by stone to begin with, for mueller to raid his home etc..it's all come about by telling congress credico was his back channel, and to be fair to stone credico had led him up the garden path to believe this to some degree.

If he were to get twenty years for this charade, which the bbc were suggesting is a possibility, that in itself would be a crime.

i really think you are missing the point.

 

[Kroffe]

"In emails and texts, Stone told Mr Credico among other things: "Prepare to die," "You're a rat. A stoolie," and "Stonewall it." He even threatened Mr Credico's therapy dog, Bianca, saying he was "going to take that dog away from you", the trial heard. "

Dude had it coming.

Wonder if he will be making more of these "funny" videos now.

 

[mack341]

i really think you are missing the point.

No I do understand the point of your original post.

 

[mack341]

"In emails and texts, Stone told Mr Credico among other things: "Prepare to die," "You're a rat. A stoolie," and "Stonewall it." He even threatened Mr Credico's therapy dog, Bianca, saying he was "going to take that dog away from you", the trial heard. "

Dude had it coming.

Wonder if he will be making more of these "funny" videos now.

kroffe when it comes to politics, you're not the same cuddly bear you normally are, you get your claws out straightaway

come on, you want stone incarcerated for 20 years?

 

[goatwack]

Kroffe ain't no cuddly bear. He's like the bear that killed Timothy Treadwell that time

 

[Borgie]

Kroffe ain't no cuddly bear. He's like the bear that killed Timothy Treadwell that time

A killer bear in cuddly bears clothing.

 

[Kroffe]

kroffe when it comes to politics, you're not the same cuddly bear you normally are, you get your claws out straightaway

come on, you want stone incarcerated for 20 years?

Threatening to murder a witness makes him deserve atleast that.
Why do you think he should get away with it is a better question i think.
And "he/she/it did that" is not a defense for what Roger Stone has done.

 

[Kroffe]

A killer bear in cuddly bears clothing.

Actually i have calmed down alot since i got my ass handed to me by the hulk.

 

[goatwack]

^

We'll call that a draw

 

[sufferinsilence]

Edit: without mueller, none of this happens, manafort etc... if you're determined to go on a witch hunt you're gonna find some witches to burn. I don't like the US justice system's way of blackmailing people to be witnesses for the prosecution, 'we won't go after you, if you testify against him' it's a stasi type tactic, which can be misused. And the plea bargaining that goes on, like with flynn, people gamble and admit guilt for fear of a draconian sentence if they don't. If you're associated with trump in any way would you really want your destiny decided by a jury residing in a democrat voting state/area?

So now it's all the fault of Robert Mueller? If you get caught doing criminal stuff, do you blame the investigators that catch you? Or is it your fault and should you accept you were wrong?

I agree with you the US system is severely flawed. You could also ask: if you're a known "never Trumper" and are on trial, would you really want your destiny decided by a conservative judge or a jury residing in a republican county or state?

 

[Kroffe]

^

We'll call that a draw

Yeah, i never thought he would go for the "lift up and toss a mile" move.
My one weakness.

 

[mack341]

So now it's all the fault of Robert Mueller? If you get caught doing criminal stuff, do you blame the investigators that catch you? Or is it your fault and should you accept you were wrong?

I agree with you the US system is severely flawed. You could also ask: if you're a known "never Trumper" and are on trial, would you really want your destiny decided by a conservative judge or a jury residing in a republican county or state?

I know what you mean, I edited that out of my post, about getting a fair trial in a strongly partisan environment if there is a political element to the charge being faced; however I don't think it equates the same here, to the situation now, with many afflicted strongly by trump derangement syndrome, which takes bias and the difficulty of making a fair judgement to the next level.

The thing with mueller and the various indictments, is the context and background to it all. I haven't read all the details regarding manafort etc...but my sense is it's not groundbreaking stuff, but the best mueller and his team could find to inflict as much collateral damage as possible on trump.

The trump hating public ought to be a bit careful for what they wish for, an all powerful deep state could turn against their candidate when the policies don't quite fit with the deep state's preferred agenda. look at tulsi gabbard, not quite enough of a warhawk for the msm so must be attacked whenever possible.