North Korea and US politics

[Steviedoo]

The imprints story goes back to the first handshake between Mr. T and Macron where they didn't let go and you could see the knuckles turning white. Hence, now every handshake is under scrutiny. Small sideshow to the main event.

Shouldn’t have been news the first time

 

[goatwack]

Oh yes I knew there was something.

Missed the Korea meeting altogether, just forgot, especially after all the G7 slapstick

Was playing For Honor, my Nobushi is pretty kick-ass now

Never lose sight of the important things

 

[geordiecolin]

 

[Harry_BKK]

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Of course they will. Mr. T declared already that NK is not a nuclear threat anymore. That after only 5 hours of talk and no sign of NK giving up their nukes.

"Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."

 

[Harry_BKK]

So Pompeo travels to SK to brief them on the summit results:

- complete and irreversible denuclearisation has now become "major disarmament"
- he does not know when they will meet again with North Korea
- he does not know if but is fairly confident that North Korea understood that there will be in-depth verification
- he does not know in what form the next meeting will be

Question comes up, what did they talk about and what did they agree to when he doesn't know anything?

Here's the source - Reuters:

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[mack341]

So Pompeo travels to SK to brief them on the summit results:

- complete and irreversible denuclearisation has now become "major disarmament"
- he does not know when they will meet again with North Korea
- he does not know if but is fairly confident that North Korea understood that there will be in-depth verification
- he does not know in what form the next meeting will be

Question comes up, what did they talk about and what did they agree to when he doesn't know anything?

Here's the source - Reuters:

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I'm beginning to think the US administration have got this 'arse about face', I think they should have first required the drastic improvement of the North Koreans 'existence' as that's what their life is at the moment, they have no quality of life even compared to their chinese allies. The North could still be communist the same way as china but have at least the same freedoms as the chinese people [which I know doesn't extend into politics but they can shop, watch movies, dress how they want etc..] then after that the disarmament can take place.

This is what happened with the ussr changing back into russia, they didn't get rid of all their weapons for the relations with the west to thaw but they more or less got rid of grey communism.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Welcome to America!

Mr. T must be so proud of his new immigration policy and for once of Mr. Magoo because to justify the new policy he stated a verse from the bible that slave owners also used to justify slavery.

Yet Mr. T can't stop lying that a Democrat law is to be blamed when everyone says there is no such law. Always someone, something to blame (typical of a 6th-grader), never Mr. T's fault or doing!

 

[Harry_BKK]

I see Mr. T learned something from Kim rather quickly. "Deporting" those he doesn't like into Gulags...ahem tent cities with 100 degrees F / 38 degrees C outside. How nice....NOT!

Very disappointed to see this kind of inhumane treatment of the most vulnerable of our society in a developed country like the USA.

 

[Steviedoo]

Welcome to America!

Mr. T must be so proud of his new immigration policy and for once of Mr. Magoo because to justify the new policy he stated a verse from the bible that slave owners also used to justify slavery.

Yet Mr. T can't stop lying that a Democrat law is to be blamed when everyone says there is no such law. Always someone, something to blame (typical of a 6th-grader), never Mr. T's fault or doing!

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Apparently it’s the democrats who are responsible.

 

[geordiecolin]

 

[Harry_BKK]

Apparently it’s the democrats who are responsible.

Maybe he shouldn't have asked then Mr. Magoo to publicly announce the new policy. But yeah, Mr. T is never ever responsible for anything except when hit puts him in a positive light.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Now we know that Mr. T was serious with his "they are animals" comment when he was talking about immigrants from Central America because he is treating them exactly like that.

The horses and cows on my farm some 40 years ago had a more comfortable pen.

And still blaming anyone but himself for this drama. I see the UN informed the WH administration that they are violating human rights, not that Mr. T cares about it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

And Mr T. trying to rile up Germany while forgetting that the main reason for the flood of immigrants to Europe are the useless wars the US has waged in the Middle East. Just take a look at the chart with the number of refugees arriving in Germany in 2017. But of course, Mr. T is not interested in facts, nor does he care that the US caused the crisis. He just bans any refugees to enter the US, simple in his mind!

Of course the crime is NOT way up! Mr. T is simply the biggest liar on this planet.

 

[ed skull murphy]

And Mr T. trying to rile up Germany while forgetting that the main reason for the flood of immigrants to Europe are the useless wars the US has waged in the Middle East. Just take a look at the chart with the number of refugees arriving in Germany in 2017. But of course, Mr. T is not interested in facts, nor does he care that the US caused the crisis. He just bans any refugees to enter the US, simple in his mind!

Of course the crime is NOT way up! Mr. T is simply the biggest liar on this planet.

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Those wars are very useful as far as the global elite are concerned; they need to bring every nation on earth under central globalist control.

The US military is being used, by the globalists, to fulfil their wish, in much the same way as they used the British when this long term agenda began. The American people have no say in the matter, just as the British people had no say in the matter.

These are sophisticated people who are well versed in the ancient mysteries, and have developed it to the extent that they can manipulate us at a whim. They control the media, the banking, the governance, the security services, the energy, the water, the social welfare systems, industry, commerce, even the underworld, and just about everything else. What chance do any of us have?

As far as the immigration issue is concerned... like I said, it's all going to plan.

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[Harry_BKK]

Those wars are very useful as far as the global elite are concerned; they need to bring every nation on earth under central globalist control.

The US military is being used, by the globalists, to fulfil their wish, in much the same way as they used the British when this long term agenda began. The American people have no say in the matter, just as the British people had no say in the matter.

These are sophisticated people who are well versed in the ancient mysteries, and have developed it to the extent that they can manipulate us at a whim. They control the media, the banking, the governance, the security services, the energy, the water, the social welfare systems, industry, commerce, even the underworld, and just about everything else. What chance do any of us have?

As far as the immigration issue is concerned... like I said, it's all going to plan.

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I understand what you are trying to say. One name always stands out...Rotschild. IIRC, they are present in all but two countries and exert a lot of influence through their financial instruments.

E.g. Germany is largely controlled by 5 families with their roots going back to the early age of industrialization. And they nicely divided the different economic sectors between them. So yes, they play a big role as to what is happening in the country.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mr. T doubling down as usual, he probably things "two wrongs make one right" or better said "two lies in a row make it the truth".

FYI, crime rate in Germany in 2017 was at its lowest since 1992, and that includes those committed by some of the 1.4 Million refugees they have taken in since 2015, mainly because of the US wars in the Middle East. Mr. T as usual does not care about facts.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I understand what you are trying to say. One name always stands out...Rotschild. IIRC, they are present in all but two countries and exert a lot of influence through their financial instruments.

E.g. Germany is largely controlled by 5 families with their roots going back to the early age of industrialization. And they nicely divided the different economic sectors between them. So yes, they play a big role as to what is happening in the country.

I see it as a giant corporate structure, a pyramid, with at it's apex the bankers who moved up north from Venice, way back when, but who prefer to stay out of the limelight. These were the guys who pretty much invented paper promissory notes and fractional reserve banking, as the Venetian merchants would deposit their gold coins in their vaults, and trade with the paper instead, it didn't take long before there was more paper in circulation than there was gold to back it up.

I believe the scam blew up on them, in Venice, so they had get out. They then set up in Germany and Holland, and then moved into England in 1666, where they created the Bank Of England, in the City Of London, and now the fractional reserve banking debt is in the quadrillions worldwide.

This giant corporation is pretty much directing the show globally.

 

[mack341]

I see it as a giant corporate structure, a pyramid, with at it's apex the bankers who moved up north from Venice, way back when, but who prefer to stay out of the limelight. These were the guys who pretty much invented paper promissory notes and fractional reserve banking, as the Venetian merchants would deposit their gold coins in their vaults, and trade with the paper instead, it didn't take long before there was more paper in circulation than there was gold to back it up.

I believe the scam blew up on them, in Venice, so they had get out. They then set up in Germany and Holland, and then moved into England in 1666, where they created the Bank Of England, in the City Of London, and now the fractional reserve banking debt is in the quadrillions worldwide.

This giant corporation is pretty much directing the show globally.

that webster tarpley bloke wrote and did speeches about this venetian theory, but he gave so many names and side stories that I got lost trying to follow him. As I understand it venice was one of the wealthiest countries [city state] on earth even though it is tiny, and the accumulated wealth must have went somewhere before its decline.

 

[ed skull murphy]

that webster tarpley bloke wrote and did speeches about this venetian theory, but he gave so many names and side stories that I got lost trying to follow him. As I understand it venice was one of the wealthiest countries [city state] on earth even though it is tiny, and the accumulated wealth must have went somewhere before its decline.

Webster's alright, he's a bit of a Lefty, but he knows his stuff. I know what you mean, his podcast is useful aid against insomnia, his voice just puts me to sleep... he is definitely hard to listen to.

Alan Watt is my main tutor, at 'Cutting through the matrix'

 

[mack341]

yeah I like alan watts but I can't seem to find much on youtube, for some reason I always associated him with yoga before finding out the other bits on youtube. He's very well spoken, with a kind of posh voice. I must download some of his talks and convert to mp3 for listening when I'm in the mood for a bit of esoteric philosophy.

I think that tarpley fella is also obsessed a bit about bertrand russell calling him the golem of venice, but again he just loses me with all the wandering details so I can't remember any of the key points.

 

[TheAddict]

Its been a while now and I'm seriously starting to worry one of our regular members drunk too much during the world cup and ended up wandering across the wrong border.

 

[ed skull murphy]

yeah I like alan watts but I can't seem to find much on youtube, for some reason I always associated him with yoga before finding out the other bits on youtube. He's very well spoken, with a kind of posh voice. I must download some of his talks and convert to mp3 for listening when I'm in the mood for a bit of esoteric philosophy.

I think that tarpley fella is also obsessed a bit about bertrand russell calling him the golem of venice, but again he just loses me with all the wandering details so I can't remember any of the key points.

The guy's name is Alan Watt, not to be confused with the new-age BS merchant Watts. You can go directly to his website cuttingthroughthematrix.com for mp3 audios. He has archives on there going back to 2005, which are well worth a listen, especially the guest appearances on other shows. He also talks a bit about Russell, who was quite a key figure.

 

[mack341]

The guy's name is Alan Watt, not to be confused with the new-age BS merchant Watts. You can go directly to his website cuttingthroughthematrix.com for mp3 audios. He has archives on there going back to 2005, which are well worth a listen, especially the guest appearances on other shows. He also talks a bit about Russell, who was quite a key figure.

Is this not him?

fancy there being two alan watt(s), all we need now is somebody called david ickes

 

[mack341]

this is the fella then:

I will take a look at his website and bits on youtube.

I am starting to drift from rich d. hall, in one his programs he started to dissect 911 photos/video, saying the 2nd plane didn't exist and was superimposed or something.

The 'deep state' really went out on a limb with 911, hundreds/thousands of professionals from relevant areas [physicists, architects, etc..] do not believe 2 airplanes can bring down those massive towers down. For Hall to start saying 1 of the planes didn't exist is seriously muddying the waters and will damage all the effort made so far to get to the truth.

 

[ed skull murphy]

this is the fella then:

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I will take a look at his website and bits on youtube.

I am starting to drift from rich d. hall, in one his programs he started to dissect 911 photos/video, saying the 2nd plane didn't exist and was superimposed or something.

The 'deep state' really went out on a limb with 911, hundreds/thousands of professionals from relevant areas [physicists, architects, etc..] do not believe 2 airplanes can bring down those massive towers down. For Hall to start saying 1 of the planes didn't exist is seriously muddying the waters and will damage all the effort made so far to get to the truth.

That's the fella.

Don't give up on Rich, most of his stuff is pretty good. Just use your discernment, if the BS meter goes off, pass it over. The same goes for any of them.

 

[mack341]

Yeah I will 'suck it and see' with rich hall, there's bugger all on tv to watch so thank goodness for youtube. no one person is going to know the truth about everything, and its fascinating to try and spot the bs merchants. jim fetzer is another who rings alarm bells for me.

I just come across this page which sums up the 911 cointelpro [disinformation] operation:

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[ed skull murphy]

Yeah I will 'suck it and see' with rich hall, there's bugger all on tv to watch so thank goodness for youtube. no one person is going to know the truth about everything, and its fascinating to try and spot the bs merchants. jim fetzer is another who rings alarm bells for me.

I just come across this page which sums up the 911 cointelpro [disinformation] operation:

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I don't bother with the technical details of 911 much, it is all pretty irrelevant. What's important to me is the who and the why, particularly the esoteric side of it, the freemasonic aspect. A guy calling himself Vyzygoth did some good work on that, he's from NJ, but now lives in Florida, real name Jansen, I think, he has a lot of audio archives on his website. William Ramsey's pretty good too.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mr. T: "They’ve stopped the sending of missiles, including ballistic missiles. They’re destroying their engine site. They’re blowing it up. They’ve already blown up one of their big test sites, in fact it’s actually four of their big test sites. And the big thing is it will be a total denuclearisation, which has already started taking place."

Plus: Trump went on to say that the "number-one statement" in the document he and Kim signed in Singapore was "we will immediately begin total denuclearisation of North Korea," although there was no such statement in the text.

(Source: Channel News Asia)

Secretary of Defense Mattis (who knows better):“No, I'm not aware of that (regarding start of denuclearisation). I mean, obviously, it's the very front end of a process. The detailed negotiations have not begun. I wouldn't expect that at this point.”

Talk of delusional!

 

[Steviedoo]

The North Korea issue seems to have taken a back seat to families being separated at the border. It’s heartbreaking.

We go from one crisis to another.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The North Korea issue seems to have taken a back seat to families being separated at the border. It’s heartbreaking.

We go from one crisis to another.

Oh yes, Mr. T, who initially couldn't do anything, signed an EO with big "bruhaha" and his beloved sycophants Nielsen and Pence standing by his side that will now incarcerate entire families indefinitely (if he gets his way in court) instead of parents and children separately. If the court doesn't agree he will still rip the kids away after 20 days. Congress as usual can't pass a bill even for such a pressing matter.

So not much has changed but he is adamant that his EO will "make a lot of people happy". Plus no plan for the over 2,000 kids that have been separated in the last weeks. Utterly disgraceful, IMO.

The icing on the cake or better said the height of hypocrisy was that he then sends Melania to tour some well prepared centers and has Ivanka tweeting a big thank you to him for ending the separation policy, something he himself started.

It is not just heartbreaking but also atrocious to take kids, even at just 9 or 10 months old, and put them in what they call "tender age" centers. And yet, he still blames it on the Democrats!

On top, he pulled the US from yet another organization / agreement, the UN Human Rights Council. Yep, America will be soon "America alone", exactly what Mr. T wants.

 

[Bob's Rich Club]

 

[Harry_BKK]

Mr. T: "They’ve stopped the sending of missiles, including ballistic missiles. They’re destroying their engine site. They’re blowing it up. They’ve already blown up one of their big test sites, in fact it’s actually four of their big test sites. And the big thing is it will be a total denuclearisation, which has already started taking place."

Plus: Trump went on to say that the "number-one statement" in the document he and Kim signed in Singapore was "we will immediately begin total denuclearisation of North Korea," although there was no such statement in the text.

(Source: Channel News Asia)

Secretary of Defense Mattis (who knows better):“No, I'm not aware of that (regarding start of denuclearisation). I mean, obviously, it's the very front end of a process. The detailed negotiations have not begun. I wouldn't expect that at this point.”

Talk of delusional!

Mr. T bragging last week: "Denuclearisation has already started. NK not a threat anymore, you can all sleep calm tonight!"
News today: Satellite images show North Korea upgrading nuclear facility.

Plus, I still have not found any info on the remaining 3 "big test sites" that Mr. T bragged about that allegedly NK has already blown up.

Question is now, will Mr. T stop lying?

 

[Steviedoo]

Mr. T last week: "Denuclearisation has already started. NK not a thread anymore, you can all sleep calm tonight!"
News today: Satellite images show North Korea upgrading nuclear facility.

Plus, I still have not found any info on the remaining 3 "big test sites" that Mr. T bragged about that allegedly NK has already blown up.

Question is now, will Mr. T stop lying?

Liar in chief


He will never stop lying. He doesn’t know how.

 

[mack341]

There are a lot of warhawks in the US who would prefer regime change in NK to any kind of peace process, I think Trump is an isolationist at heart and also as a money man he sees the cost of having the military stationed all round the world as wasteful and not productive. But he is surrounded by people who think the opposite, like john bolton, who cannot or will not argue truthfully why they want endless conflicts and to meddle in other countries business.

The whole mainstream media owned by a handful of mega corporations, want a liberal interventionist president which is why they wanted hiliary clinton. It is the same situation here in the uk and why corbyn gets so much stick [not a big corbyn fan myself but why do newspapers from the 'left' especially like the guardian hate corbyn but love tony blair?, just look at their differences in foreign policy for a big reason]

Fox tv believing trump to be vain and susceptible to flattery pretends to like donald so as to groom him, [its the one tv channel he can watch without expecting to get attacked] and then they are able to influence his foreign policy decisions.

If the same mainstream media in the usa that backed and promoted the iraq war [and also promotes military action against syria and iran, sanctions against russia but not china] dislikes, criticises and mistrusts Trump then he must have something good, however small, going for him.

 

[slotplayer]

There are a lot of warhawks in the US who would prefer regime change in NK to any kind of peace process, I think Trump is an isolationist at heart and also as a money man he sees the cost of having the military stationed all round the world as wasteful and not productive. But he is surrounded by people who think the opposite, like john bolton, who cannot or will not argue truthfully why they want endless conflicts and to meddle in other countries business.

The whole mainstream media owned by a handful of mega corporations, want a liberal interventionist president which is why they wanted hiliary clinton. It is the same situation here in the uk and why corbyn gets so much stick [not a big corbyn fan myself but why do newspapers from the 'left' especially like the guardian hate corbyn but love tony blair?, just look at their differences in foreign policy for a big reason]



Fox tv believing trump to be vain and susceptible to flattery pretends to like donald so as to groom him, [its the one tv channel he can watch without expecting to get attacked] and then they are able to influence his foreign policy decisions.

If the same mainstream media in the usa that backed and promoted the iraq war [and also promotes military action against syria and iran, sanctions against russia but not china] dislikes, criticises and mistrusts Trump then he must have something good, however small, going for him.

Fox is located in NY where Trump is from. They've all known him for years and are used to his hyperbole. Plus Fox is a conservative news channel. They'll back pretty much any Republican.

However, you'll know Trump is done when Fox starts to abandon him.

The left here has become completely unhinged over Trump.

Believe it or not Trump is turning into a world class president.

 

[mack341]

Fox is located in NY where Trump is from. They've all known him for years and are used to his hyperbole. Plus Fox is a conservative news channel. They'll back pretty much any Republican.

However, you'll know Trump is done when Fox starts to abandon him.

The left here has become completely unhinged over Trump.

Believe it or not Trump is turning into a world class president.

I don't know if he is world class, in sense of comparison to presidents around the world today or from the past?

I measure him in terms of the many difficult issues he and america faces, I think he is an old school conservative more pat buchanan than marco rubio. I didn't like his rhetoric about syria and assad and the speeches after the us attack sounded very scripted, he knows most of the opposition in syria are not moderate.
However the propaganda on this subject is huge in america so he was hemmed in there, if he wasn't seen to do something he would have been accused of assisting a child killer by an hysterical media.

ditto russia where he is being forced to impose more and more sanctions but when questioned off guard he reveals his true feelings/thoughts about the us russia relationship, which is he thinks they could be great allies and partners. If you strip away all the media demonisation of putin, the world needs russia and the US to get along.

But certain elements of your deep state are like poker players who believe they can win a game of bluff with russia, and that russia will come to heel if enough pressure is applied, these deep state operatives and some of the elite are willing to provoke and surround russia risking the world's safety, for an unknown reason/purpose?

"However, you'll know Trump is done when Fox starts to abandon him."

This is what worries me, that murdoch who is pro war and pro new world order has donald's ear plus the raid on trump's solicitor opens up more avenues of blackmail and pressure for the establishment / deep state to use.

If you think he is becoming a world class president, it doesn't count for much if Fox can pull the rug from under his feet at any time of their choosing. This is a parlous state we are all in, if a US president is basically beholden to people like murdoch.

I think your left is being whipped up by the mainstream press and tv, whereas when george bush jr was in office the media largely gave him a free pass other than the odd jibe that he wasn't the smartest.

 

[slotplayer]

I don't know if he is world class, in sense of comparison to presidents around the world today or from the past?

I measure him in terms of the many difficult issues he and america faces, I think he is an old school conservative more pat buchanan than marco rubio. I didn't like his rhetoric about syria and assad and the speeches after the us attack sounded very scripted, he knows most of the opposition in syria are not moderate.
However the propaganda on this subject is huge in america so he was hemmed in there, if he wasn't seen to do something he would have been accused of assisting a child killer by an hysterical media.

ditto russia where he is being forced to impose more and more sanctions but when questioned off guard he reveals his true feelings/thoughts about the us russia relationship, which is he thinks they could be great allies and partners. If you strip away all the media demonisation of putin, the world needs russia and the US to get along.

But certain elements of your deep state are like poker players who believe they can win a game of bluff with russia, and that russia will come to heel if enough pressure is applied, these deep state operatives and some of the elite are willing to provoke and surround russia risking the world's safety, for an unknown reason/purpose?

"However, you'll know Trump is done when Fox starts to abandon him."

This is what worries me, that murdoch who is pro war and pro new world order has donald's ear plus the raid on trump's solicitor opens up more avenues of blackmail and pressure for the establishment / deep state to use.

If you think he is becoming a world class president, it doesn't count for much if Fox can pull the rug from under his feet at any time of their choosing. This is a parlous state we are all in, if a US president is basically beholden to people like murdoch.

I think your left is being whipped up by the mainstream press and tv, whereas when george bush jr was in office the media largely gave him a free pass other than the odd jibe that he wasn't the smartest.

Murdock is 87 and I don't think is in charge anymore. I never even heard Trump mention him and we know how he likes to drop names.

My thinking was the other way around, its if/when Trump messes up so bad that Fox has to throw him under the bus.

The problem with the media now is they've been hijacked by the far left radical progressives, it wasn't that way back when Bush 43 was president. Fox was pretty far right back then but today they seem more sane to me and not CNN which is way out of control.

I mean world class in terms of USA presidents, not world leaders.

 

[geordiecolin]

 

[slotplayer]

afaik all that Hannity reported is true. Both sides promote their political leanings. However, the difference I noticed between conservative Fox and the left CNN/MSNC/ABC/CBS/NBC media is Fox is not afraid to cover a negative story but certainly plays it down it whereas the left wing media is just afraid to cover it at all, kinda like the Tommy Robinson/Grooming trials.

How do you see it?

 

[ed skull murphy]

I don't know if he is world class, in sense of comparison to presidents around the world today or from the past?

I measure him in terms of the many difficult issues he and america faces, I think he is an old school conservative more pat buchanan than marco rubio. I didn't like his rhetoric about syria and assad and the speeches after the us attack sounded very scripted, he knows most of the opposition in syria are not moderate.
However the propaganda on this subject is huge in america so he was hemmed in there, if he wasn't seen to do something he would have been accused of assisting a child killer by an hysterical media.

ditto russia where he is being forced to impose more and more sanctions but when questioned off guard he reveals his true feelings/thoughts about the us russia relationship, which is he thinks they could be great allies and partners. If you strip away all the media demonisation of putin, the world needs russia and the US to get along.

But certain elements of your deep state are like poker players who believe they can win a game of bluff with russia, and that russia will come to heel if enough pressure is applied, these deep state operatives and some of the elite are willing to provoke and surround russia risking the world's safety, for an unknown reason/purpose?

"However, you'll know Trump is done when Fox starts to abandon him."

This is what worries me, that murdoch who is pro war and pro new world order has donald's ear plus the raid on trump's solicitor opens up more avenues of blackmail and pressure for the establishment / deep state to use.

If you think he is becoming a world class president, it doesn't count for much if Fox can pull the rug from under his feet at any time of their choosing. This is a parlous state we are all in, if a US president is basically beholden to people like murdoch.

I think your left is being whipped up by the mainstream press and tv, whereas when george bush jr was in office the media largely gave him a free pass other than the odd jibe that he wasn't the smartest.

There is a lot to like in your post, Mack, but... I believe that Putin and Trump are both ultimately controlled by the establishment, in one way or another. It cannot be any other way, anything else would not be tolerated.

Don't get me wrong, I like what both of these guys say, they are on the right page, but my gut is telling me that the pair of them are ultimately just controlled opposition, I hope I am wrong.

Could it be that all these 'cold war' shenanigans between the US, Russia, North Korea, etc., are just a dog and pony show, to con the public, in order to bring about the required change?

Pretty much every war or global upheaval since the Rothschilds 'took over' the Bank Of England, has been cleverly orchestrated by the money men in London, Paris, Frankfurt A/M, Vienna, and to a lesser degree, Napoli, by controlling both sides. Pretty much the same way that they manipulate sports events, to scam the gamblers.

I am sure that similar tactics have been used for millenia.

 

[mack341]

There is a lot to like in your post, Mack, but... I believe that Putin and Trump are both ultimately controlled by the establishment, in one way or another. It cannot be any other way, anything else would not be tolerated.

Don't get me wrong, I like what both of these guys say, they are on the right page, but my gut is telling me that the pair of them are ultimately just controlled opposition, I hope I am wrong.

Could it be that all these 'cold war' shenanigans between the US, Russia, North Korea, etc., are just a dog and pony show, to con the public, in order to bring about the required change?

Pretty much every war or global upheaval since the Rothschilds 'took over' the Bank Of England, has been cleverly orchestrated by the money men in London, Paris, Frankfurt A/M, Vienna, and to a lesser degree, Napoli, by controlling both sides. Pretty much the same way that they manipulate sports events, to scam the gamblers.

I am sure that similar tactics have been used for millenia.

Deep down I think you could be right, the money men certainly exert the most control but I think nationalists like putin present a problem to them, it would be strange for him to get all this stick in the press if the powers that be wanted him to remain. I think theyre are trying to make russia into a pariah state and then get the message to the russian people that if they replace putin all the sanctions will be dropped and relations normalized.

I understand what you mean about cold war shenanigans, I feel during the 80's we unnecessarily lived with fear pumped out by the govt and media that a nuclear war was 50/50 we were on a knife edge, with films like 'threads' which was shown on the bbc when you only had 4 channels to watch, as a child I did remember worrying about it, when in reality it was never going to happen. Russia, a bit like NK now, had the weapons as a defensive deterrent, so there couldn't have been a nuclear war unless we attacked them first. Definitely the profits of the arms and security industries, which now include the internet etc..., benefit from raised tensions.



Trump is probably under more control than Putin because the media power in the US is greater than in russia, I was surprised Trump was allowed to put in place these trade tariffs but I think the countries affected will do a bit of tit for tat and things will carry on, because the US has a trade deficit the tariffs might reduce this. but I'm not sure if financial transactions are included in trade deficits. Trumps tariffs might cause countries like china to retaliate in the financial investments sector, dumping stocks etc...

The next us presidential election will be interesting, I get a feeling that hiliary might stand again which would be a big risk but who else will the democrats promote?

 

[mack341]

Murdock is 87 and I don't think is in charge anymore. I never even heard Trump mention him and we know how he likes to drop names.

My thinking was the other way around, its if/when Trump messes up so bad that Fox has to throw him under the bus.

The problem with the media now is they've been hijacked by the far left radical progressives, it wasn't that way back when Bush 43 was president. Fox was pretty far right back then but today they seem more sane to me and not CNN which is way out of control.

I mean world class in terms of USA presidents, not world leaders.

Murdock might be 87 but he is a cunning old fox [excuse the pun] kissinger is 95 but he's still active, age is no deterrent to these people.

We get the same hysteria here on the bbc, itv, channel 4 etc... and its going to increase with Trumps visit to the uk. I understand some people inherently dislike trump but I would prefer more sane discussion of the topics/policies rather than trying to make out he is the most evil president ever to have office.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Definitely the profits of the arms and security industries, which now include the internet etc..., benefit from raised tensions.

But money is often the driver, (or paedophilia). Financial rewards to subordinates, (or compromising videos) is what drives this thing, and the elites get what they want, which is consolidation of power, and expanded empire.

That video is some scary shit. When they put stuff like that out, it usually means it is going to happen; 'predictive programming'. The year is interesting as well, 1984.

Might be time to leave this rock, much as I love her.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Best way to describe this is to quote a post from the comments section on the video page: "To stupidity and beyond".

No wonder Mr. T got elected when you hear the statements from his so called "base". Mindblowing to listen to such uneducated garbage.

 

[ed skull murphy]

Best way to describe this is to quote a post from the comments section on the video page: "To stupidity and beyond".

No wonder Mr. T got elected when you hear the statements from his so called "base". Mindblowing to listen to such uneducated garbage.

The reason he got elected was because the only alternative was Hillary Clinton, and that was never going to happen.

Space Force! LOL.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I was surprised Trump was allowed to put in place these trade tariffs

My gut feeling (again) tells me that he is being allowed to pull off these economically beneficial measures, firstly to keep the public happy, but more importantly, to build a momentum and a 'feel good factor', much as Hitler did for the Germans back in the 1930s, in order to get the US ready for the final lunge at creating the One World Order; Syria and Iran remain independent.

After which the US shall probably be on her knees, and the baton will be passed to China to police the world. This is more or less what happened to Great Britain after WWII, when they handed the baton to the US.

I'm not just taking wild stabs in the dark here. It is apparently 'the plan'.

 

[TheAddict]

Neil armstrong comment was pretty epic tbh lol
Though its not uncommon to see such herd like stupidity

 

[ed skull murphy]

Neil armstrong comment was pretty epic tbh lol
Though its not uncommon to see such herd like stupidity

Actually, the secret space programme is very real, but it is not there for the benefit of the plebs, unfortunately.

Whether they have managed to cross the Van Allen radiation belt is doubtful. I know that Neil Armstrong never did, the moon landings were filmed in London by Stanley Kubrick, on his set for 2001, A Space Odyssey.

 

[TheAddict]

@ed skull murphy

Dont know much about it m8. But i think it's best to spend a few minutes educating yourself on something if you're gonna show support

 

[ed skull murphy]

@ed skull murphy

Dont know much about it m8. But i think it's best to spend a few minutes educating yourself on something if you're gonna show support

Yep! There are too many dilettantes, sad really.