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I see rudy giuliani is doing his best to scupper the talks now, I suppose it was too obvious for bolton to do it again, just hope NK doesn't respond this time. Pompeo seems to have countered it by saying rudy doesn't speak for the administration.

Oh yes, mad Giuliani is trying to be not just a bigger liar than Mr. T, but that he can insult anyone without proof as well, e.g. Stormy Daniels can't have credibility because she's a porn actress.

Mr. T himself showing the coward that he is by planning to leave the G7 summit early, plus more lies and clueless statements:

- falsely accusing Canadians of burning the WH down in 1812 (the British did it)
- 300% tariffs the Canadians are charging the US on a few select diary products while forgetting to read the entire list of 99 tariff chapters which would show him that they are actually rather balanced
- list by far not complete.

Just watch him how he will enter the scene at the G7 summit, it will be priceless. :D :D ....I saw Macron has taken to Twitter as well because he knows that it will make sure Mr. T actually reads it. And Mr. T straight away taking the low road of insults again, as expected. :rolleyes:

The NK-US summit will be a pure Mr. T show with little results (I do hope though that something will come out and they finally sign a peace agreement at some point in the near future). He will gloat about it until they put the last nail into his coffin. :eek:
 
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- Russia annexes Crimea, illegally
- Russia is expelled from the G8
More followed:
- Russia meddles in a murky Ukrainian war
- Russia meddles in the US, GB, French and German elections
- Russia tries to assassinate a former Russian spy on British territory
- Russia supports a rather questionable Assad regime
- list not complete

Mr. T asking for G7 to go back to G8: "Russia should be in this meeting. Why are we having a meeting without Russia being in the meeting? Whether you like it or not and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. And in the G7, which used to be the G8, they threw Russia out. They should let Russia come back in, because we should have Russia at the negotiating table."

He must have adored those prostitutes in Moscow and must adore Vlad even more. :rolleyes:

At the same time, he blasts anyone considered an ally of the US. Makes you wonder why he loves Russia so much? :confused:

Witch Hunt! :D
 
Oh yes, mad Giuliani is trying to be not just a bigger liar than Mr. T, but that he can insult anyone without proof as well, e.g. Stormy Daniels can't have credibility because she's a porn actress.

Mr. T himself showing the coward that he is by planning to leave the G7 summit early, plus more lies and clueless statements:

- falsely accusing Canadians of burning the WH down in 1812 (the British did it)
- 300% tariffs the Canadians are charging the US on a few select diary products while forgetting to read the entire list of 99 tariff chapters which would show him that they are actually rather balanced
- list by far not complete.

Just watch him how he will enter the scene at the G7 summit, it will be priceless. :D :D ....I saw Macron has taken to Twitter as well because he knows that it will make sure Mr. T actually reads it. And Mr. T straight away taking the low road of insults again, as expected. :rolleyes:

The NK-US summit will be a pure Mr. T show with little results (I do hope though that something will come out and they finally sign a peace agreement at some point in the near future). He will gloat about it until they put the last nail into his coffin. :eek:
I heard Trump will take this opportunity to be rather low-key this time

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Sorry, going a bit gif crazytoday
 
- Russia annexes Crimea, illegally
- Russia is expelled from the G8
More followed:
- Russia meddles in a murky Ukrainian war
- Russia meddles in the US, GB, French and German elections
- Russia tries to assassinate a former Russian spy on British territory
- Russia supports a rather questionable Assad regime
- list not complete

Mr. T asking for G7 to go back to G8: "Russia should be in this meeting. Why are we having a meeting without Russia being in the meeting? Whether you like it or not and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run. And in the G7, which used to be the G8, they threw Russia out. They should let Russia come back in, because we should have Russia at the negotiating table."

He must have adored those prostitutes in Moscow and must adore Vlad even more. :rolleyes:

At the same time, he blasts anyone considered an ally of the US. Makes you wonder why he loves Russia so much? :confused:

Witch Hunt! :D


Who knows why he is alienating the usual USA allies.
 
I think Trump is correct russia should be part of the g7/g8 group, as the largest country on the planet [by area] and resource rich it doesn't make sense to permanently exclude them. I think China should be there as well.

The crimea before 1954 was part of russia for 170 years, and they added it to the ukraine when it was part of the ussr, and the crimeans did vote in a referendum to return to Russia.

In Syria, russia has effectively prevented it turning into another libya and by coming to Assad's aid has indirectly protected the millions of christians in syria who would have faced very harsh treatment by the islamist rebels fighting assad and trying to take over syria. The skripal narrative is very strange and has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

I believe this idea of Trump's that the west should negotiate issues with russia is positive for the future peace of the world, he doesn't always take the anti russia neo con and globalist line, whose ideas and policies have actually not helped most americans. [starting endless wars and shifting production jobs to china to name two of their actions].
 
I think Trump is correct russia should be part of the g7/g8 group, as the largest country on the planet [by area] and resource rich it doesn't make sense to permanently exclude them. I think China should be there as well.

The crimea before 1954 was part of russia for 170 years, and they added it to the ukraine when it was part of the ussr, and the crimeans did vote in a referendum to return to Russia.

In Syria, russia has effectively prevented it turning into another libya and by coming to Assad's aid has indirectly protected the millions of christians in syria who would have faced very harsh treatment by the islamist rebels fighting assad and trying to take over syria. The skripal narrative is very strange and has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

I believe this idea of Trump's that the west should negotiate issues with russia is positive for the future peace of the world, he doesn't always take the anti russia neo con and globalist line, whose ideas and policies have actually not helped most americans. [starting endless wars and shifting production jobs to china to name two of their actions].

Russia is still part of the G20 and other forums, hence, it is not like they are totally excluded and cut-off from the "table". There is an international law and process to annexing part of a different country, something Russia signed up to, yet did not follow it. The exclusion from the G8 was a form of "punishment" that the remaining countries saw as fit for the disregard of international law.

IMO, his comment was just another Mr. T show to aggravate / rile-up the other G7 countries. Mr. T is only interested in stuff that suits him, nothing else. E.g. why is he and his administration fighting lock, stock and barrel against the new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany and threatening with sanctions? Did Germany or Russia intervene when he approved a new pipeline from Canada to the US?

I agree with some of your arguments like that in my view Crimea belongs to Russia but e.g. to this day they have not admitted that the missile that brought MH17 down was theirs although there is clear proof that it was.

Not just China but also India should be included in the G7/G8 making it a G9/G10 because the majority of the economic growth in the next decades will come from the 2.6 Billion people in those countries.

As for shifting jobs to China (and other countries), well, every medal has two sides. Americans, just like anyone else, like to buy cheap or do you think they would agree to buy an iPhone for over $2,000 instead of the $1,000 they pay now? They do like their t-shirt, jeans etc to cost a mere few bucks. Do they care that a lady working 14 -16 hours, 7/365 under atrocious conditions, gets paid $0.30 - $0.50 / hour? And those are not just the sewing jobs. I recommend you to visit once a dyeing factory in China/Vietnam/Bangladesh or the like.
 
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Sad to hear he passed, especially suicide. A proper shame :(

Yeah mate, as a street food hunter I loved to watch his food shows and actually sort of met him once "accidentally" in Thailand when I nearly busted into their filming. They were shooting with a Thai celebrity chef and we were allowed to taste their cooking. I exchanged maybe 1.5 words with him :rolleyes: ....but the atmosphere around the shoot was just superb.

TBH, never watched his episode from Iran but will catch up on that asap. :)
 
Yeah mate, as a street food hunter I loved to watch his food shows and actually sort of met him once "accidentally" in Thailand when I nearly busted into their filming. They were shooting with a Thai celebrity chef and we were allowed to taste their cooking. I exchanged maybe 1.5 words with him :rolleyes: ....but the atmosphere around the shoot was just superb.

TBH, never watched his episode from Iran but will catch up on that asap. :)
Only found it here, but watching it now haha

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Cheers mate..... man, had goose bumps while watching it. Exactly mirrors my experience from my trips to Iran.

Been to Isfahan a few times, once to that huge mosque.

I sorta want to go now :laugh:

The food though, wow. I last frequented Iran when I was......2? :eek2:
 
I know the feeling.....brings up my travel memories, not just Iran. But yeah, would love to go back one day, even just for the food. :)
You've travelled so much that the finer details may get lost over time, must have brought back a couple of memories as you say. It was even an eye-opener for me, with case in point being the mosque you went to. Even Iranians 'do' mosques like no other :laugh:
 
That mosque is really a marvel, nothing I had seen until then that was even in the slightest comparable. Except maybe the Blue Mosque in Istanbul which i visited for the first time 2 years after the Royal Mosque. To assemble those mosaic tiles some 400 years ago must have been quite an achievement. They didn't have the glue guns as we have them today, which allows even total amateurs like me to fix a few tiles.

Today an UNESCO heritage site, well deserved IMO.
 
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Russia is still part of the G20 and other forums, hence, it is not like they are totally excluded and cut-off from the "table". There is an international law and process to annexing part of a different country, something Russia signed up to, yet did not follow it. The exclusion from the G8 was a form of "punishment" that the remaining countries saw as fit for the disregard of international law.

IMO, his comment was just another Mr. T show to aggravate / rile-up the other G7 countries. Mr. T is only interested in stuff that suits him, nothing else. E.g. why is he and his administration fighting lock, stock and barrel against the new gas pipeline from Russia to Germany and threatening with sanctions? Did Germany or Russia intervene when he approved a new pipeline from Canada to the US?

I agree with some of your arguments like that in my view Crimea belongs to Russia but e.g. to this day they have not admitted that the missile that brought MH17 down was theirs although there is clear proof that it was.

Not just China but also India should be included in the G7/G8 making it a G9/G10 because the majority of the economic growth in the next decades will come from the 2.6 Billion people in those countries.

As for shifting jobs to China (and other countries), well, every medal has two sides. Americans, just like anyone else, like to buy cheap or do you think they would agree to buy an iPhone for over $2,000 instead of the $1,000 they pay now? They do like their t-shirt, jeans etc to cost a mere few bucks. Do they care that a lady working 14 -16 hours, 7/365 under atrocious conditions, gets paid $0.30 - $0.50 / hour? And those are not just the sewing jobs. I recommend you to visit once a dyeing factory in China/Vietnam/Bangladesh or the like.

Edit :Sorry Guys while i've been typing a response, the conversation on the thread has moved to more cultural things and personal memories stirred by the bourdain suicide so my comment below is going to appear as an abrupt return to the issues of Trump.:oops:

I can't keep up with these G meetings, i'd forgotten about G20. I was racking my brain to think of countries that should be involved and didn't think of India. :confused:

Surely, if Mrs Merkel agrees with Russia, on the one hand, being excluded due to the crimean annexation but on the other hand is happy to build this huge pipeline then she is being a bit of a hypocrite. [ BTW I think the pipeline should go ahead ] If she was consistent she would be alongside Trump pushing for Russia to return to the fold.

I don't think Trump has the final say on the sanctions imposed on german businesses dealing with russia like this new pipeline, it is more the US deep state, elites and establishment that wants to isolate and weaken russia at any cost. You can broadly tell what the deep state and globalists etc approve of by reading the mainstream press, Trump is getting stick for the steel tariffs etc.. but very little stick for the looming sanctions with this pipeline. There are places in america that use to make steel and now theyre all unemployed because the owners moved the production to china where they could pay the workers much less, america prides itself on morality etc but was making all those american people jobless and poor a christian and moral thing to do?

I don't really know enough about the mh17 case, I find it hard to think rebels would have mistaken an airline jet for a fighter plane, and they would have to be insane to deliberately shoot down a passenger jet flying over. Presumably Russia has provided the rebels with some anti air defense missile launchers to shoot down ukranian jets bombing them and that is the basis of the case against Russia. It was an horrific event, and in my opinion should have been the catalyst there and then to end the civil war.

The thing with the iphones is they are already massively overpriced at $1,000, the margins must be astronomical. Cheap goods are generally not sustainable for the environment, in the case of clothes they use thinner and thinner material and so don't last as long and have to be replaced more. Also you don't really have much consumer choice in the shops here, an expensive pair of jeans is probably also manufactured in sweatshop conditions.

I think people would care about the sweatshops but the nature of life, say in the uk, is its so full of stress and money worries that people feel its somebody else's problem to solve. And ultimately I feel it is the responsibility of the bankers, business leaders and politicians to get rid of sweatshops as it's a form of modern slavery that exists for billionaires to gain more money. It has been the globalists who have enabled this, trade barriers could be brought in tomorrow for goods manufactured in sweatshops, this would be the moral thing to do but it will be the greedy globalists, bankers and business owners who vehemently oppose this.
 
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I can't keep up with these G meetings, i'd forgotten about G20. I was racking my brain to think of countries that should be involved and didn't think of India. :confused:

Surely, if Mrs Merkel agrees with Russia, on the one hand, being excluded due to the crimean annexation but on the other hand is happy to build this huge pipeline then she is being a bit of a hypocrite. [ BTW I think the pipeline should go ahead ] If she was consistent she would be alongside Trump pushing for Russia to return to the fold.

I don't think Trump has the final say on the sanctions imposed on german businesses dealing with russia like this new pipeline, it is more the US deep state, elites and establishment that wants to isolate and weaken russia at any cost. You can broadly tell what the deep state and globalists etc approve of by reading the mainstream press, Trump is getting stick for the steel tariffs etc.. but very little stick for the looming sanctions with this pipeline. There are places in america that use to make steel and now theyre all unemployed because the owners moved the production to china where they could pay the workers much less, america prides itself on morality etc but was making all those american people jobless and poor a christian and moral thing to do?

I don't really know enough about the mh17 case, I find it hard to think rebels would have mistaken an airline jet for a fighter plane, and they would have to be insane to deliberately shoot down a passenger jet flying over. Presumably Russia has provided the rebels with some anti air defense missile launchers to shoot down ukranian jets bombing them and that is the basis of the case against Russia. It was an horrific event, and in my opinion should have been the catalyst there and then to end the civil war.

The thing with the iphones is they are already massively overpriced at $1,000, the margins must be astronomical. Cheap goods are generally not sustainable for the environment, in the case of clothes they use thinner and thinner material and so don't last as long and have to be replaced more. Also you don't really have much consumer choice in the shops here, an expensive pair of jeans is probably also manufactured in sweatshop conditions.

I think people would care about the sweatshops but the nature of life, say in the uk, is its so full of stress and money worries that people feel its somebody else's problem to solve. And ultimately I feel it is the responsibility of the bankers, business leaders and politicians to get rid of sweatshops as it's a form of modern slavery that exists for billionaires to gain more money. It has been the globalists who have enabled this, trade barriers could be brought in tomorrow for goods manufactured in sweatshops, this would be the moral thing to do but it will be the greedy globalists, bankers and business owners who vehemently oppose this.

The contracts for the pipeline were signed long before the exclusion of Russia from the the G8, hence Merkel can't do much. The extension of the initial pipeline is what is getting Mr. T riled up as he wants to push the US gas they produce via fracking into Europe. After all he has rolled back regulations as well as cutting down the size of protected nature reserves to please his buddies so they can frack the sh*t out of every mountain/hill.

Globalism is an US idea/product which they perfected over decades, now Mr. T wants to turn back time which is just as impossible as building a time machine.

He keeps bringing up how unfair the trade deals are for the US but forgets how long corporate America has benefitted from them. On top they are not unfair, e.g. the average tariffs the US is paying for exports to Europe is appr. 4% while the EU is paying just over 3% on average for exports to the US. A little less but EU companies also employ about 2Mio more people in the US than the US in Europe.

Globalism is a double-edged sword. We can argue about that for years. As I have been saying, a medal has to sides, always.

Of course the profit margins are huge on an iPhone but they would not reduce them to accommodate production in Western countries with similar consumer prices. Same goes for so many other products, global supply chains have been developed over decades, something nobody will be able to completely break up again, not even Mr. T with whatever tariffs he wants to impose.

We sure do like our fresh strawberries in December and other things which we see as standard all-year offerings, hence, IMHO any potential change has to start with us, the consumer. The globalists are just using the opportunity that are available today to maximize their profits.

One other thing you shouldn't forget is automation. The manufacturing jobs that dissapeared in the course of the last decades are far outnumbering those lost to globalisation.
 
Edit :Sorry Guys while i've been typing a response, the conversation on the thread has moved to more cultural things and personal memories stirred by the bourdain suicide so my comment below is going to appear as an abrupt return to the issues of Trump.:oops:

No worries.

Not really Bourdain, it is more about Iran. There was quiet a heated part in the closed Mr. T thread where some posters where painting all Iranians as monsters while goatwack and me opposed those views.

I posted the statement from Bourdain as he is American who confirmed exactly what the two of us said in the other thread, showing that in no way are Iranians out to kill all Americans as some suggested (I shall not name them).
 
The contracts for the pipeline were signed long before the exclusion of Russia from the the G8, hence Merkel can't do much. The extension of the initial pipeline is what is getting Mr. T riled up as he wants to push the US gas they produce via fracking into Europe. After all he has rolled back regulations as well as cutting down the size of protected nature reserves to please his buddies so they can frack the sh*t out of every mountain/hill.

Globalism is an US idea/product which they perfected over decades, now Mr. T wants to turn back time which is just as impossible as building a time machine.

He keeps bringing up how unfair the trade deals are for the US but forgets how long corporate America has benefitted from them. On top they are not unfair, e.g. the average tariffs the US is paying for exports to Europe is appr. 4% while the EU is paying just over 3% on average for exports to the US. A little less but EU companies also employ about 2Mio more people in the US than the US in Europe.

Globalism is a double-edged sword. We can argue about that for years. As I have been saying, a medal has to sides, always.

Of course the profit margins are huge on an iPhone but they would not reduce them to accommodate production in Western countries with similar consumer prices. Same goes for so many other products, global supply chains have been developed over decades, something nobody will be able to completely break up again, not even Mr. T with whatever tariffs he wants to impose.

We sure do like our fresh strawberries in December and other things which we see as standard all-year offerings, hence, IMHO any potential change has to start with us, the consumer. The globalists are just using the opportunity that are available today to maximize their profits.

One other thing you shouldn't forget is automation. The manufacturing jobs that dissapeared in the course of the last decades are far outnumbering those lost to globalisation.

The thing is a robot is probably going to cost more per hour than 0.30-50$ and might not be advanced enough to make clothes. I don't mind robots making cars etc.. Mankind can adapt and find other things to do, like preserving the environment through better agriculture that would require less chemicals but require more labour.

If Mrs Merkel was against the pipeline surely she could have halted it at the same time as the russian exclusion from G8 happened, to me she has gone along with the exclusion at the US behest as it doesn't harm germany but when it comes to the pipeline she is more than happy to do business with the russians.

I'm absolutely with you on the fracking, that is an awful decision by Trump, but again I've hardly seen any articles in the press and tv about this [and condemning it] so presumably the establishment and elite who rail against trade sanctions do approve of him reducing the regulations for fracking. Out of the two fracking is far more damaging to the planet than trade sanctions, so again the mainstream press representing big business has got its moral priorities upside down.

'He keeps bringing up how unfair the trade deals are for the US' here I think Trump is meaning for the US workers not the US billionaires.

I agree about the strawberries in winter argument, not all globalism is bad but it does have to be in moderation otherwise where is the balance, countries in africa growing fruit and veg for us to eat in winter, as a luxury, when they won't feed their own population is wrong. [ then they waste their country's money on buying arms and hoarding wealth in secret swiss bank accounts .]
 
No worries.

Not really Bourdain, it is more about Iran. There was quiet a heated part in the closed Mr. T thread where some posters where painting all Iranians as monsters while goatwack and me opposed those views.

I posted the statement from Bourdain as he is American who confirmed exactly what the two of us said in the other thread, showing that in no way are Iranians out to kill all Americans as some suggested (I shall not name them).

Totally agree, the anti iranian stuff is just mass propaganda paranoia the american public has been exposed to by their mainstream media for decades to justify hostile actions/policies taken against Iran, and the proponents like John Bolton even hope it will eventually lead to justification/approval of a war in the future.

That is not to say that countries like Iran, NK and syria, saudi arabia ,egypt etc.. should be allowed without crititicism to enforce authoritarian government on their people but I prefer the carrot rather than stick [war] approach to resolving these problems.
 
Edit :Sorry Guys while i've been typing a response, the conversation on the thread has moved to more cultural things and personal memories stirred by the bourdain suicide so my comment below is going to appear as an abrupt return to the issues of Trump.:oops:

I can't keep up with these G meetings, i'd forgotten about G20. I was racking my brain to think of countries that should be involved and didn't think of India. :confused:

Surely, if Mrs Merkel agrees with Russia, on the one hand, being excluded due to the crimean annexation but on the other hand is happy to build this huge pipeline then she is being a bit of a hypocrite. [ BTW I think the pipeline should go ahead ] If she was consistent she would be alongside Trump pushing for Russia to return to the fold.

I don't think Trump has the final say on the sanctions imposed on german businesses dealing with russia like this new pipeline, it is more the US deep state, elites and establishment that wants to isolate and weaken russia at any cost. You can broadly tell what the deep state and globalists etc approve of by reading the mainstream press, Trump is getting stick for the steel tariffs etc.. but very little stick for the looming sanctions with this pipeline. There are places in america that use to make steel and now theyre all unemployed because the owners moved the production to china where they could pay the workers much less, america prides itself on morality etc but was making all those american people jobless and poor a christian and moral thing to do?

I don't really know enough about the mh17 case, I find it hard to think rebels would have mistaken an airline jet for a fighter plane, and they would have to be insane to deliberately shoot down a passenger jet flying over. Presumably Russia has provided the rebels with some anti air defense missile launchers to shoot down ukranian jets bombing them and that is the basis of the case against Russia. It was an horrific event, and in my opinion should have been the catalyst there and then to end the civil war.

The thing with the iphones is they are already massively overpriced at $1,000, the margins must be astronomical. Cheap goods are generally not sustainable for the environment, in the case of clothes they use thinner and thinner material and so don't last as long and have to be replaced more. Also you don't really have much consumer choice in the shops here, an expensive pair of jeans is probably also manufactured in sweatshop conditions.

I think people would care about the sweatshops but the nature of life, say in the uk, is its so full of stress and money worries that people feel its somebody else's problem to solve. And ultimately I feel it is the responsibility of the bankers, business leaders and politicians to get rid of sweatshops as it's a form of modern slavery that exists for billionaires to gain more money. It has been the globalists who have enabled this, trade barriers could be brought in tomorrow for goods manufactured in sweatshops, this would be the moral thing to do but it will be the greedy globalists, bankers and business owners who vehemently oppose this.
How bloody dare you! Anyway, this thread isn't about Trumpo.

Arrest this swine!

(It kind of is about Trump, we just pretend it isn't) :laugh::p
 
The thing is a robot is probably going to cost more per hour than 0.30-50$ and might not be advanced enough to make clothes. I don't mind robots making cars etc.. Mankind can adapt and find other things to do, like preserving the environment through better agriculture that would require less chemicals but require more labour.

If Mrs Merkel was against the pipeline surely she could have halted it at the same time as the russian exclusion from G8 happened, to me she has gone along with the exclusion at the US behest as it doesn't harm germany but when it comes to the pipeline she is more than happy to do business with the russians.

I'm absolutely with you on the fracking, that is an awful decision by Trump, but again I've hardly seen any articles in the press and tv about this [and condemning it] so presumably the establishment and elite who rail against trade sanctions do approve of him reducing the regulations for fracking. Out of the two fracking is far more damaging to the planet than trade sanctions, so again the mainstream press representing big business has got its moral priorities upside down.

'He keeps bringing up how unfair the trade deals are for the US' here I think Trump is meaning for the US workers not the US billionaires.

I agree about the strawberries in winter argument, not all globalism is bad but it does have to be in moderation otherwise where is the balance, countries in africa growing fruit and veg for us to eat in winter, as a luxury, when they won't feed their own population is wrong. [ then they waste their country's money on buying arms and hoarding wealth in secret swiss bank accounts .]

You can bet your last shirt that on the day a robot can assemble a shirt together, that it will happen and that it will be cheaper than the $0.30 - $0.50. My last big project was in Thailand at a company called ThaiBev. They make beverage cans and easy-open ends for beer, coca-cola, Red Bull etc. When we signed the project to install robots handling the ends they had up to 40 people on a single end making line for three shifts, when we finished there were two left per shift for each of their 6 lines, going from some 240 workers to 36 for all three shifts. Waste reduced to 0.06% and net production time had increased substantially. ROI on the project was calculated at 28 months, that is nothing for a CAPEX of that size.

But one thing Thai bosses still practice is social responsibility. ThaiBev did not lay off a single worker, instead they enrolled them into internal and external education programs to upgrade themselves so they could be employed at other locations within the company.

Quote: "Mankind can adapt and find other things to do"

This is where many countries have failed badly, and the US bigly at that. Mr. T wants to bring coal back or manufacturing jobs that hardly any American wants to do anymore etc. It won't happen. Instead of throwing $700B to the military every year and $1Trillion in tax cuts to the rich, he could have invested into educating what he calls "the forgotten" as well as the new generation to adapt to the new situation. But he decided to substantially cut the education budget and is trying "desperately" to revive "old industries". It might work at first but surely not in the mid or long term. All those people will be back on the street within a few years or less and what then?

Mrs. Merkel does not break contracts and sticks to agreements, unlike Mr. T. :D And she has to think of the energy security for her country, Germany will always have to rely on imports of gas and oil. It was indeed Obama who pushed the exclusion of Russia from the G8 but it was Germany who stood firm against arming Ukraine. War hawks in the US were pushing like mad to supply massive weapons arsenals to the Ukrainians. The Minsk Protocol Russia, Ukraine, the Donbass and Luhansk regions signed was her doing, without that the situation would be much worse than it is today.

Quote: '"He keeps bringing up how unfair the trade deals are for the US' here I think Trump is meaning for the US workers not the US billionaires."

You really think that? Why did then the US share market rally when he was elected .... because the workers were getting better deals or because the US billionaires were thought to make tons more money from the tax cuts and new trade deals/protective tariffs? Just look at the shares of US Steel (google United States Steel Corporation) - $16 in Oct 2016, $37 in June 2018.

Your Africa example is perfect. The common people will benefit from globalism, the problem is that it is only bread crumbs they are getting. Still it makes their situation better. I have seen these kind of developments in Asia (Vietnam, Cambodia, Lao, Thailand, etc) where I traveled extensively in the past 2 decades. Yes, most money goes to the "rich" and "privileged" but those at the bottom of the food chain are doing better too. One good example is the amount of young children finishing high school and college in Thailand, the numbers have increased dramatically because parents can now afford to pay for the schools, giving them a chance at a better life.

Re. Fracking - why do you think Mr. T put Pruitt in charge of the EPA and likes him so much? :D
The problem with fracking is that it leaves irreparable damage that will take nature millions of years to repair. Plus all the toxic waste from the process is hardly taken care off. Mr. Pruitt will make sure that the companies won't be held responsible.

We people are not the problem for this planet (it will survive us in some form or shape), the problem is how long will people be able to live on this planet? We sure do everything possible to shorten that time span.
 
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Totally agree, the anti iranian stuff is just mass propaganda paranoia the american public has been exposed to by their mainstream media for decades to justify hostile actions/policies taken against Iran, and the proponents like John Bolton even hope it will eventually lead to justification/approval of a war in the future.

That is not to say that countries like Iran, NK and syria, saudi arabia ,egypt etc.. should be allowed without crititicism to enforce authoritarian government on their people but I prefer the carrot rather than stick [war] approach to resolving these problems.

Sure it is propaganda to advance an agenda, but the media is just the amplifier. The propaganda starts at government levels.

Surprise, all those countries you have listed, except NK, have been armed at some point in the past mainly by which country? I don't think you will need more than one guess. :D
 
Harry I didn't know your work related to robots and industrial processes, I can see the robots are helping to keep the costs down and its the kind of area that will constantly be refined and improved. Having briefly done a bit of production line style work myself, the tedium of repeating the same tasks over and over for hours on end is deadly, so I'm all in favour of robots doing these repetitive tasks instead.

Products with the made in the usa mark did tend to be well made a bit like made in germany or japan, and I hoped Trump was using tariffs as a way of getting the billionaires to reinvest in america rather than just make millions of the back of chinese labour, but you're probably right the globalisation process is too far down the road to be reversed and people won't want to mine coal etc..

If Trump thinks fracking makes sense he's off his rocker, its just short term profit for long term damage of the natural environment, I must admit I haven't been following all his policies and activities, he seems obsessed with spending trillions of dollars, that the US doesn't really have, on the weapons industry as if they haven't spent enough over the years.

It could be the US is in terminal decline as once you lose your industries it is very hard to get them back as you lose the know how, for example In the UK we use to make good motorbikes, norton, triumph etc.. but the japanese moved ahead with investment and innovation and took the market over; in a way the UK is like the mini me of the US as we also have a massive arms industry, got rid of coal and steel manufacturing, no longer really export much consumer products at all, billions in debt with huge crime and drug problems.

I didn't realise Mrs merkel had helped stop the ukraine war from escalating, the war hawks in washington must be furious at her for that.

Wages etc are relative to the cost of living in a region, so I can see somebody living in thailand working in a factory is better off having a low paid job than nothing at all, but its the conditions and output expected of the workforce that bothers me. I did hear of chinese workers in the iphone factories committing suicide while at work but I don't know the full story there but it does suggest apple were not exactly model employers and in reality behaving in stark contrast to the kind of trendy and liberal image they like to portray.
 
Harry I didn't know your work related to robots and industrial processes, I can see the robots are helping to keep the costs down and its the kind of area that will constantly be refined and improved. Having briefly done a bit of production line style work myself, the tedium of repeating the same tasks over and over for hours on end is deadly, so I'm all in favour of robots doing these repetitive tasks instead.

Products with the made in the usa mark did tend to be well made a bit like made in germany or japan, and I hoped Trump was using tariffs as a way of getting the billionaires to reinvest in america rather than just make millions of the back of chinese labour, but you're probably right the globalisation process is too far down the road to be reversed and people won't want to mine coal etc..

If Trump thinks fracking makes sense he's off his rocker, its just short term profit for long term damage of the natural environment, I must admit I haven't been following all his policies and activities, he seems obsessed with spending trillions of dollars, that the US doesn't really have, on the weapons industry as if they haven't spent enough over the years.

It could be the US is in terminal decline as once you lose your industries it is very hard to get them back as you lose the know how, for example In the UK we use to make good motorbikes, norton, triumph etc.. but the japanese moved ahead with investment and innovation and took the market over; in a way the UK is like the mini me of the US as we also have a massive arms industry, got rid of coal and steel manufacturing, no longer really export much consumer products at all, billions in debt with huge crime and drug problems.

I didn't realise Mrs merkel had helped stop the ukraine war from escalating, the war hawks in washington must be furious at her for that.

Wages etc are relative to the cost of living in a region, so I can see somebody living in thailand working in a factory is better off having a low paid job than nothing at all, but its the conditions and output expected of the workforce that bothers me. I did hear of chinese workers in the iphone factories committing suicide while at work but I don't know the full story there but it does suggest apple were not exactly model employers and in reality behaving in stark contrast to the kind of trendy and liberal image they like to portray.

Used to be, but very focused on automation of end lines for bev and food can ends. Very small but recession-proof niche market (people will always buy drinks and food) with only a few players that make sure to not hurt each other too much. :D ....Left the industry in June 2016 and semi-retired now :D

I mentioned this in an earlier post. If you look at the history going back as far as the Roman Empire or even further, there has always been one or two nations/kingdoms/countries who were dominant in their glory times but there was always without fail a decline of that dominance. Outsourcing is a rather modern phenomena that has been perfected since the end of WWII. Funny, that it was nations like the US or the UK who pushed the concept most, hoping to change their countries into "value" and intellectual markets while the "dirty" and hard work is done by other nations.

There is one reason that nobody discusses publicly why Germany and Japan have risen to where they are today. I'll try to explain it in a few sentences but would probably need pages to give a full picture. Both were devastated at the end of WWII (rightfully) and the winning nations like the US, UK and France gathered any type of industrial machinery, complete factories, etc as war reparation and transported it back to their countries. If you go to archives in the big industrial centers in Germany you will see how little manufacturing companies were still active after the war. Hardly any, since they did not have the equipment.

But then the Cold War happened and the US was adamant to do anything in their power to combat communism. This led among others, such as the wars in Vietnam, Korea etc., to the famous Marshall plan for Germany and Europe in general. With the money, German companies bought the newest equipment that was available and with that came the kicker for the German industry. The new machinery allowed for better products at higher speeds and lower prices, while the old stuff the "winning nations" transported back to their country was inferior by quite a margin. Remember, the 50's and 60's were decades of huge advances in production technologies that are still the basis of today's production processes.

Yes, the UK and France too received money from the Marshall plan but they somehow missed the train to invest it as Germany did, maybe because they had so much of that "old" machinery doing the job well enough in their judgement.

One example, the UK had dozens of car makers before WWII which reduced to only a handful within a few decades while Mercedes Benz, BMW, VW, Toyota, Honda, etc were unstoppable.

Makes sense?

Indeed, Mrs. Merkel received all sorts of aggro from US war hawks and generals, not just for getting all parties in the Ukraine conflict to a table, but also getting the Minsk Protocol signed.

As for wages in Asian countries, here's an example. A Thai laborer in the rural rice fields makes about THB1,500 - 3,000 / month, a skilled / trained worker in a factory is entitled to a minimum wage of THB400 / day, totaling appr. THB10K per month. Hence, for those trekking from the country side to the industrial centers it is a huge leap forward. Still far behind any Western nation but what really counts is what they can do in their own country with that extra money. And that is a lot in Thailand.

The Chinese are rather different. The Chinese always worked hard and their resilience has mostly paid off. Just go back in history and read who mainly built the first train tracks in the US. Or the story I posted earlier about the Chinese controlling most companies in SE-Asia. What happens in those sweatshops now is taking that resilience to the extreme. Workers get quotas where they will receive bonuses if they hit their targets, which are a substantial part of their wages, hence, they work endlessly to get those few extra bucks. Add to that the fact they are far away from home, lonely, looked down at by the established "city folk" and you can see why the psychological stress is mounting up.
 
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I see rudy giuliani is doing his best to scupper the talks now, I suppose it was too obvious for bolton to do it again, just hope NK doesn't respond this time. Pompeo seems to have countered it by saying rudy doesn't speak for the administration.

I strongly predict that today North Korea will blitz all of its enemies. I can't see anything getting past it in the 3:10 seller at Goodwood
 
Two pictures from the G7 summit which tell it all. On top, Mr. T confirming his 6th-grader level:

- the arrogance of Mr. T, there is a saying in German which translates somewhat to: "pride comes before the fall"
- he arrived late to the summit, late to the breakfast meeting on Saturday and left early for his "oh so friendly" meeting with his on-off-on girlfriend Kim.
- oh and he will know within 1 minute if there is a deal to be made with Kim, just because the "greatest deal maker" Mr. T thinks that he is. :rolleyes:
- someone sitting with crossed arms is a clear sign in psychology, google to find out.
- but he stated: "We've concluded a really tremendously, tremendously successful G7." - NOT, he even retracted his agreement to the summit communique out of pique because Trudeau had in Mr. T's view the "audacity" to confirm the reciprocal tariffs Canada will impose on 1st July 2018 in answer to Mr. T's steel&aluminum tariffs.
- if you care to read the entire communique, take a magnifying glass to find that "tremendousness" :rolleyes:
- asking again for Russia to join the G7/G8 and blaming Obama for the Crimea annexation. (always somebody to blame, exactly what 6th-graders do, isn't it? :rolleyes: )
- regarding tariffs, he can't stop lying, best quote was: "We're like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing." - This from the WTO who has all data:

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Oh yes, his wish will come true, very soon: "America first, America alone"! :D

- however, if you watch closely, the one at the center and all around are listening to is actually Mrs. Merkel, underlining her title of "most powerful woman in the world" :thumbsup:

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Diplomatic Statesman he is not :p

Politics is full of dramas, but Trumpy likes to court it at every public gathering it seems. You may/ may not dislike your peers, but you don't have to react to every exchange :laugh:

I mean does he have Verbal Dysdecorum or something? Is he trying to emulate Ray from Rainman??

Justine Trudeau is likely just as described, 'Dishonest and weak' ( :laugh: ) but I don't feel it appropriate to tell the world that. Smacks of High School :eek2:
 
Two pictures from the G7 summit which tell it all. On top, Mr. T confirming his 6th-grader level:

- the arrogance of Mr. T, there is a saying in German which translates somewhat to: "pride comes before the fall"
- he arrived late to the summit, late to the breakfast meeting on Saturday and left early for his "oh so friendly" meeting with his on-off-on girlfriend Kim.
- oh and he will know within 1 minute if there is a deal to be made with Kim, just because the "greatest deal maker" Mr. T thinks that he is. :rolleyes:
- someone sitting with crossed arms is a clear sign in psychology, google to find out.
- but he stated: "We've concluded a really tremendously, tremendously successful G7." - NOT, he even retracted his agreement to the summit communique out of pique because Trudeau had in Mr. T's view the "audacity" to confirm the reciprocal tariffs Canada will impose on 1st July 2018 in answer to Mr. T's steel&aluminum tariffs.
- if you care to read the entire communique, take a magnifying glass to find that "tremendousness" :rolleyes:
- asking again for Russia to join the G7/G8 and blaming Obama for the Crimea annexation. (always somebody to blame, exactly what 6th-graders do, isn't it? :rolleyes: )
- regarding tariffs, he can't stop lying, best quote was: "We're like the piggy bank that everybody is robbing." - This from the WTO who has all data:

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Oh yes, his wish will come true, very soon: "America first, America alone"! :D

- however, if you watch closely, the one at the center and all around are listening to is actually Mrs. Merkel, underlining her title of "most powerful woman in the world" :thumbsup:

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And there was I thinking mrs may was the most powerful woman in the galaxy:
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BTW Just heard via youtube today that the bilderberg meeting happened on the same day as G7, do you have any views on the bilderberg group?
 
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BTW Just heard via youtube today that the bilderberg meeting happened on the same day as G7, do you have any views on the bilderberg group?

LOL..... the title comes from the Forbes magazine. In 2017, Mrs. May came in second after Merkel, who topped the list for 7 consecutive years now.

Bilderberg, Davos Forum, St. Petersburg Forum, SOC Shanghai.... take your pick, the list is endless and all are promising to look at the most pressing world "problems".

They are akin the countless auto shows around the world, each claiming to be the biggest or as they often say "world leading".
 
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A comment from Larry Kudlow when talking with Jake Tapper: If the North Korean summit goes awry, the blame will lay with Canada as Kim must not be shown any sign of American weakness.

WTF?

Here is Trump, backflipping on yet another agreement that his own advisors helped negotiate - not something that will endow NK with confidence, if promises can be so easily discarded. His behaviour is more indicative of a blustering, dishonourable bully who is incapable of understanding politics or economics and tbh, he lacks even basic common decency.

With the rise of China in the East and the EU in the West, America now has some stiff competition on the world stage, and if not very careful, could be sidelined completely from world events. Trade and tariffs are double-edged weapons, to be wielded by either side, something Trump seems to ignore.

Just to add - the TPP, which the USA is no longer part of, is doing just fine without them, even though Trump fully expected either the TPP to implode, or all the signatories to roll over and beg for him to return. Sorry Mr T - if you want in again, if will be on our terms, not yours.

Also, why is Trump so fixated on the 270% Canadian dairy tariff? This is the one he references constantly, and unfortunately, many of his supporters lap up his rhetoric. Don't they understand that US farmers are subsidised, Canadian farmers (and those throughout most of the world) are not, so it never was a level playing field anyway, no matter how the WH attempts to spin it.
 
A comment from Larry Kudlow when talking with Jake Tapper: If the North Korean summit goes awry, the blame will lay with Canada as Kim must not be shown any sign of American weakness.

WTF?

Here is Trump, backflipping on yet another agreement that his own advisors helped negotiate - not something that will endow NK with confidence, if promises can be so easily discarded. His behaviour is more indicative of a blustering, dishonourable bully who is incapable of understanding politics or economics and tbh, he lacks even basic common decency.

With the rise of China in the East and the EU in the West, America now has some stiff competition on the world stage, and if not very careful, could be sidelined completely from world events. Trade and tariffs are double-edged weapons, to be wielded by either side, something Trump seems to ignore.

Just to add - the TPP, which the USA is no longer part of, is doing just fine without them, even though Trump fully expected either the TPP to implode, or all the signatories to roll over and beg for him to return. Sorry Mr T - if you want in again, if will be on our terms, not yours.

Also, why is Trump so fixated on the 270% Canadian dairy tariff? This is the one he references constantly, and unfortunately, many of his supporters lap up his rhetoric. Don't they understand that US farmers are subsidised, Canadian farmers (and those throughout most of the world) are not, so it never was a level playing field anyway, no matter how the WH attempts to spin it.

The usual temper tantrum of a 6th-grader. :rolleyes:

He so desperately wants the Nobel prize as only that will put him on the same level as Obama. Hence, why he so hastily agreed to a meeting with Kim and anything that could disrupt his Nobel roadshow has to be blasted out of the way. If you look at the pictures from the G7 summit, in all of them he is completely disinterested, bored etc. None of them show him engaged in a discussion.

Be glad that he pulled out of the TPP, you're much better off without the US.

As for the 270% dairy tariff, that is not even on all diary products. And the volume we are talking is about $600 Million, peanuts in the entire trade between the two countries.

Of course, Mr. T does not mention e.g. the 350% tariff the US is charging on tobacco products from the EU.

The same goes with cars, he keeps bringing up that the US pays 10% tariff for car exports to the EU while the EU is only paying 2.5% for their export to the US. But he forgets vans, SUV's and trucks where the US is charging up to 25% tariff.

The 10% on US cars have mainly one specific reason. US cars were known and still are as gas guzzlers and the EU wanted to avoid having too many of them on their roads, hence why they have higher tariffs.

If Mr. T would make the effort to go through all 99 tariff chapters with all subcategories he would see that the trade between the EU & US as well as Canada & US is rather balanced. But he doesn't read anything longer than 1 page, if that much.

But yes, the "genius deal maker" can't even get a deal on $600 Million worth of milk products. :rolleyes: ..he will distort anything to support his arguments, just like the trade deficit which he claims to be $800 Billion, it is only roughly $500 Billion and more than half of that comes from China, etc., etc.

The way I see it is by the time Mr. T leaves office he will have produced dozens of fires, hardly any of them being extinguished, the rest spreading slow or fast and someone will have to jump in to get them under control. His personal history is full of those fires be it his failed airline, "university", casino business etc. and he hasn't changed his approach as president.
 
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something has got to give though, as a businessman Trump must look at the US debt of 20 trillion dollars and know it is not sustainable and I think these tariffs are his hamfisted attempt to try do something. The debt was equivalent to 2 trillion in the 1950's after the cost of the ww2, the marshall plan, korean war etc.. and to me getting it back to that figure should be the primary goal of the US government/president whilst not lowering the standard of living for the majority.

They spend way too much on the military but then again this employs thousands of americans, cutting that back is going to face fierce opposition. china and russia have improved their military capabilities through technology since the early 2000's to close the gap that had existed with the US army, and then Iran and North korea through their links to russia and china get to improve their capability too in a trickle down effect.

All in all this is a challenge to US military dominance of the planet and they see the need to respond now before things progress further, thus all the heightened/manufactured tensions with russia, china, nk and iran we're seeing now, so where are we heading if diplomacy is not used, war with Iran and NK [less likely now] as they are the two weakest out of the four the US can confront militarily.
 
why is trump meeting with NK alone.
No one but translators.
Is this normal protocol?


Because he is the "genius deal maker"!

The 1.3-page document they signed is not worth the paper it was written on. Saying the Iran deal was the worst, what is this now? The worst of the worst? Not a single word of direct commitment as to what shall happen, just non-committal nonsense.

Plus, after thirty minutes talking to Kim, he said: "Excellent relationship" .....mind you with one of the worst dictators currently on this planet, who sends his people to Gulags if they just as much don't answer quick enough or applauding not hard enough. :rolleyes: ...Have to give Kim credit though, he's got exactly what he wanted.

Mr. T reality show with no results as usual. He hasn't even got a nuclear scientist as adviser and wants to install an inspection regime. Right! :rolleyes:

I can tell you that JB was flooded with Singaporeans in the last few days, pretty much all happy now that this "show summit" is over.
 
I never liked Mr. Trump before he decided to run for president. I don't particularly like him as a person now. I do think he does stuff and says stuff just to get his critics riled up. It is almost fun to watch them foam at the mouth.

BUT, I sincerely hope things go well with N. Korea. It is going to take a lot of time to get to the goal of uniting the Korean Peninsula. Nothing happens over night.

If it does happen & N. Korea eliminates their nuclear weaponry .... I will happily come back to read more of your nasty comments about the USA and her president. I am sure you will STILL have nothing good to say.
 
The Trumpster doesn't need translators, mediators etc. None of them.

He'll use his soft, small hands to shake Kim Jong Un's, gaze into his eyes, and know within 5 seconds whether he likes him or not :D

So let's hope it goes well eh. Five seconds to determine world peace and stability or nuclear war :laugh:
 
I've just read the bbc live feed and the reuters summary article, and both are negative about the summit and say the halting of military exercises is a stunning concession. I'm not sure what other concession trump would be allowed to make, its the minimum the north koreans would accept.

I just hope life improves for the north korean people, they must be the last country on earth with this soviet style grey communism.

edit:'would be allowed to make' is more accurate than 'could make'
 
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I never liked Mr. Trump before he decided to run for president. I don't particularly like him as a person now. I do think he does stuff and says stuff just to get his critics riled up. It is almost fun to watch them foam at the mouth.

BUT, I sincerely hope things go well with N. Korea. It is going to take a lot of time to get to the goal of uniting the Korean Peninsula. Nothing happens over night.

If it does happen & N. Korea eliminates their nuclear weaponry .... I will happily come back to read more of your nasty comments about the USA and her president. I am sure you will STILL have nothing good to say.


I sincerely hope too that the KP will become nuclear free and then reunited. It took Germany 44 years to achieve reunification, the KP has had this situation since 1953. Just imagine Mr. T would build his wall not at the Mexican border but right through the middle of the US. You might understand then how the Koreans are feeling.

However, you hope that NK eliminates their nuclear weaponry. Will the US retract its nuclear umbrella from South Korea & Japan? Because that is what Kim is expecting and TBH, I do not see the US doing that.

Funny that Mr. T is asking for irreversible denuclearisation of the KP and Iran while he is asking for more and new nukes to be added to the US stockpile. Where is the logic in that?

With all due respect, my critical posts are and never were directed against the USA and its people, they are all about your present and past governments as well as the current president. I criticize my own government with the same veracity if there is reason for it.
 
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I've just read the bbc live feed and the reuters summary article, and both are negative about the summit and say the halting of military exercises is a stunning concession. I'm not sure what other concession trump would be allowed to make, its the minimum the north koreans would accept.

I just hope life improves for the north korean people, they must be the last country on earth with this soviet style grey communism.

edit:'would be allowed to make' is more accurate than 'could make'

The text of their document is pretty much a copy of the Panjunmon Declaration SK and NK signed a few weeks ago. It has no commitment from the NK side and vague security promises from the US. Hence, it is just a declaration of will, something like a MOU but less powerful and less binding.

As for the military exercises, you have to look at the bigger picture. Who was opposed to the regular US-SK military exercises? - NK, China and ....... Russia!

Mr. T just months ago insisted that they are vital, yet now says they are expensive etc. And he vowed to stop them without even talking to SK, Japan or his own military. Hmm, does sound like a good excuse or just weak negotiations or a favor to this buddy Vlad. One thing is clear, Kim got something off his chest without anything in return. Now that is some "genius deal making". :D

And Kim had his friend Xi run to the UN within a few hours after signing Mr. T's "show document" to ask for a relieve of sanctions and the Russians support it. Great preparation work Kim has done there before the summit.

Mr. T calling a ruthless dictator his friend ("excellent relationship") is just mind-blowing to come from a US president. Did you ever hear anyone lauding Stalin for his atrocities against his own people?

I can tell you from my own experience from being flooded with US money / security assurances that the absolute majority of NK people won't see a dime and their lives will hardly improve. Maybe in 2 - 3 decades but certainly not instantly. The country will still be under a communist regime, led by the same ruthless dictator. Do you think Kim will give his people now the complete freedom to do what they want? Of course not, because only with stringent rules can he keep them under control to stay in power.
 
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This sentence from Mr. T says it all! Clueless is putting it mildly. :rolleyes:

"His country does love him. His people, you see the fervor. They have a great fervor."

Mr. T loves the adulation of the crowds and hence, he thinks the North Koreans must love their leader if they clap like mad or cry when passing the monuments of their previous leaders. The truth is that not doing it is a sure way to a NK Gulag, only Mr. T sees it differently.
 
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The media circus is absolutely ridiculous.
They need to stop nitpicking on every single thing. Everything is scrutinized.

Trump had white imprints on his hand after macron shook his hand...how absolutely ridiculous that anyone would report this as news.
 
The media circus is absolutely ridiculous.
They need to stop nitpicking on every single thing. Everything is scrutinized.

Trump had white imprints on his hand after macron shook his hand...how absolutely ridiculous that anyone would report this as news.

The imprints story goes back to the first handshake between Mr. T and Macron where they didn't let go and you could see the knuckles turning white. Hence, now every handshake is under scrutiny. Small sideshow to the main event.
 
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