No-zero Roulette!

Never heard of it.

Quick (educated) guess would suggest to me that standard roulette the house has 2 numbers in its favour (37 numbers total, straight up bet pays 35-1)

No zero would suggest they only have one, however I am not sure how this would rate payout percentages on even chance bets when zero takes half or wipes out all column and dozen bets :confused:

We ran a 'No zero' promotion many moons ago when I worked in a land based casino, won't go into the crooks of the matter but management and dealers had never got through so much paracetamol!
 
yes there are a couple of casinos to where they hold this game . is it any better NO its roulette , just because theres no zero doesn't mean anything better just one less number to find.

Cant remember which though its been a long time pariplay rings a bell ? ?
 
Yeah I actually just came from one online casino following an ad of their roulette tournament. It says first day is No Zero roulette and they claim it's an equal chance game? I'm not a maths expert, but I guess that makes sense because its the zero that gives casinos their edge in roulette?
But then I don't really understand why would any casino have it if it's not in their favor :confused:
 
Is there anyone out there who have come across this type of roulette and does it really have a lower house edge as the casinos are claiming?
At one stage Betfair offered this game.
Yes, it really does have a house edge of 0%. You are not losing anything by playing this game except your time.
 
It's been about for a very long time - I have just recently started promoting BetVoyager (who have it) on my website again.
No zero = 0.00% house edge :thumbsup:
But... the "catch" is that if you win during a session on it, you pay the house a 10% cut of your winnings (only).
I can't get my head round whether this is better long term than normal 2.7% roulette, but I would have thought so as you would "lose slower" when you're on a bad run.

They also have lots of other zero edge games - including blackjack & even slots!
Of course, the 10% "fee" applies to them as well.

KK
 
Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.

Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)

No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)

I'll get my ' :oops: :oops: :oops:' ready now :p
 
Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.

Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)

No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)

I'll get my ' :oops: :oops: :oops:' ready now :p

you get your stake back as well so £1 on a number pays total £36 zero edge
 
Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.

Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)

No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)

I'll get my ' :oops: :oops: :oops:' ready now :p

Jon you should know the answer to this.

They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.

37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.
 
Jon you should know the answer to this.

They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.

37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.

Doh! :oops: :oops:

Yeah blonde moment (ducks) totally forgot about stake!

See you in a fortnight :oops:
 
Jon you should know the answer to this.

They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.

37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.

Then Jon would have labelled you as an advantage player lol
 
Doh! :oops: :oops:

Yeah blonde moment (ducks) totally forgot about stake!

See you in a fortnight :oops:

Judging by your mathematical prowess, are you sure you haven't been trained at the same place I was?

The 'McDonald's' of land-based casinos, the Golden Nugget in Shaftesbury Avenue! I hear it's now closed but it had nothing to do with me I swear
 
The reason why betfair stopped offering no zero roulette is because unlike in brick and mortar casino's everyone can access the table at the same time

so the value of everyones bankroll is higher than betfair's bankroll...meaning risk of bankruptcy for betfair casino

also no it detracts from others playing normal roulette

i dont understand why more B&M dont offer no zero as a promotion
 
If they take 10% of winnings surely they are actually making a bigger margin than on normal roulette ?

To make it round numbers - if you have 74 ten pound bets on red on a normal wheel with a zero rtp would give you 36 winning bets - a £720 return for £740 bet - £20 lost

The no zero wheel gives you 37 winning bets -- £740 bet - 37 winning bets - £740 won --- but they would take 10% from the £370 won - they get £37 - £37 lost -- (if they take it from the total return on the winning bet you would lose £74 )
 
If they take 10% of winnings surely they are actually making a bigger margin than on normal roulette ?

To make it round numbers - if you have 74 ten pound bets on red on a normal wheel with a zero rtp would give you 36 winning bets - a £720 return for £740 bet - £20 lost

The no zero wheel gives you 37 winning bets -- £740 bet - 37 winning bets - £740 won --- but they would take 10% from the £370 won - they get £37 - £37 lost -- (if they take it from the total return on the winning bet you would lose £74 )
No, I think you mis-understood - they take 10% of your PROFIT made while playing the game.

e.g. Say you start playing 0% roulette with a bank of £100, have a good run and leave the table with £200.
They then charge you 10% of your £100 profit = £10.

Of course if you break-even or lose (as in your example), then you don't pay any fee.

KK
 
It's been about for a very long time - I have just recently started promoting BetVoyager (who have it) on my website again.
No zero = 0.00% house edge :thumbsup:
But... the "catch" is that if you win during a session on it, you pay the house a 10% cut of your winnings (only).
I can't get my head round whether this is better long term than normal 2.7% roulette, but I would have thought so as you would "lose slower" when you're on a bad run.

They also have lots of other zero edge games - including blackjack & even slots!
Of course, the 10% "fee" applies to them as well.

KK

- Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
- 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€

So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.
 
- Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
- 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€

So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.

i dont think thats correct

the more i play, the more ill win as i would be either in profit or lose, and therefore not charged any commission

so 10 people play £100, 8 people lose £100, 2 people win £500-£100= £400 so £40, £40*2=£80 which is 8%

If they play even longer, 1 person wins £1000-£100=£900=£90 commision paid

so your better off playing no zero roulette if you only intend to play a few spins or cash out around <1.4X your deposit
 
i dont think thats correct

the more i play, the more ill win as i would be either in profit or lose, and therefore not charged any commission

so 10 people play £100, 8 people lose £100, 2 people win £500-£100= £400 so £40, £40*2=£80 which is 8%

If they play even longer, 1 person wins £1000-£100=£900=£90 commision paid

so your better off playing no zero roulette if you only intend to play a few spins or cash out around <1.4X your deposit

Honestly I don't understand what you are trying to say.
 
- Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
- 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€

So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.

That looks right.

I have asked a friend of mine who's good at maths to calculate that and he said with the 10% comission on profit, casino still has an edge, but it is only = 0.34% or so? Don't know how he calculated it though.
In any case he said it's better than a roulette with one or two zeros, so that's quite interesting.
I've just been to BetVoyager website and they have a roulette tournament coming up, No-Zero included, maybe I will give it a try then :)

On a different note, has anyone taken part in roulette tournaments before??
 
That looks right.

I have asked a friend of mine who's good at maths to calculate that and he said with the 10% comission on profit, casino still has an edge, but it is only = 0.34% or so? Don't know how he calculated it though.
In any case he said it's better than a roulette with one or two zeros, so that's quite interesting.
I've just been to BetVoyager website and they have a roulette tournament coming up, No-Zero included, maybe I will give it a try then :)

On a different note, has anyone taken part in roulette tournaments before??

There are not many interesting Roulette tournaments unfortunately, same with other table-games. Most tournaments are slot-based cause most people play slots.
 
There are not many interesting Roulette tournaments unfortunately, same with other table-games. Most tournaments are slot-based cause most people play slots.

A shame :9 I quite enjoy roulette, think it would be fun to play as a tournament
What's interesting here though is that there are 130 winning places but only around 35 registered players so far and it starts tomorrow. Doesnt this mean everyone automatically gets a prize and quite a good one? :D
 
The reason why betfair stopped offering no zero roulette is because unlike in brick and mortar casino's everyone can access the table at the same time

so the value of everyones bankroll is higher than betfair's bankroll...meaning risk of bankruptcy for betfair casino

also no it detracts from others playing normal roulette

i dont understand why more B&M dont offer no zero as a promotion


Wow! Great insight all over the thread but this sounds great to me! since it's disadvantageous to online casinos(which is my main thing), then it means I have a better chance of beating the house....right? especially if it's part of a tournament..
 

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