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Is there anyone out there who have come across this type of roulette and does it really have a lower house edge as the casinos are claiming?
At one stage Betfair offered this game.Is there anyone out there who have come across this type of roulette and does it really have a lower house edge as the casinos are claiming?
Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.
Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)
No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)
I'll get my ' ' ready now
Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.
Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)
No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)
I'll get my ' ' ready now
Jon you should know the answer to this.
They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.
37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.
Jon you should know the answer to this.
They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.
37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.
Jon you should know the answer to this.
They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.
37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.
Doh!
Yeah blonde moment (ducks) totally forgot about stake!
See you in a fortnight
Welcome to the club!One of my key strengths is I don't mind making a total idiot of myself from time to time
No, I think you mis-understood - they take 10% of your PROFIT made while playing the game.If they take 10% of winnings surely they are actually making a bigger margin than on normal roulette ?
To make it round numbers - if you have 74 ten pound bets on red on a normal wheel with a zero rtp would give you 36 winning bets - a £720 return for £740 bet - £20 lost
The no zero wheel gives you 37 winning bets -- £740 bet - 37 winning bets - £740 won --- but they would take 10% from the £370 won - they get £37 - £37 lost -- (if they take it from the total return on the winning bet you would lose £74 )
It's been about for a very long time - I have just recently started promoting BetVoyager (who have it) on my website again.
No zero = 0.00% house edge
But... the "catch" is that if you win during a session on it, you pay the house a 10% cut of your winnings (only).
I can't get my head round whether this is better long term than normal 2.7% roulette, but I would have thought so as you would "lose slower" when you're on a bad run.
They also have lots of other zero edge games - including blackjack & even slots!
Of course, the 10% "fee" applies to them as well.
KK
- Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
- 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€
So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.
i dont think thats correct
the more i play, the more ill win as i would be either in profit or lose, and therefore not charged any commission
so 10 people play £100, 8 people lose £100, 2 people win £500-£100= £400 so £40, £40*2=£80 which is 8%
If they play even longer, 1 person wins £1000-£100=£900=£90 commision paid
so your better off playing no zero roulette if you only intend to play a few spins or cash out around <1.4X your deposit
- Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
- 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€
So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.
That looks right.
I have asked a friend of mine who's good at maths to calculate that and he said with the 10% comission on profit, casino still has an edge, but it is only = 0.34% or so? Don't know how he calculated it though.
In any case he said it's better than a roulette with one or two zeros, so that's quite interesting.
I've just been to BetVoyager website and they have a roulette tournament coming up, No-Zero included, maybe I will give it a try then
On a different note, has anyone taken part in roulette tournaments before??
There are not many interesting Roulette tournaments unfortunately, same with other table-games. Most tournaments are slot-based cause most people play slots.
The reason why betfair stopped offering no zero roulette is because unlike in brick and mortar casino's everyone can access the table at the same time
so the value of everyones bankroll is higher than betfair's bankroll...meaning risk of bankruptcy for betfair casino
also no it detracts from others playing normal roulette
i dont understand why more B&M dont offer no zero as a promotion