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No-zero Roulette!

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by trickster, Apr 5, 2016.

    Apr 5, 2016
  1. trickster

    trickster Dormant account

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    Is there anyone out there who have come across this type of roulette and does it really have a lower house edge as the casinos are claiming?
     
  2. Apr 5, 2016
  3. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Never heard of it.

    Quick (educated) guess would suggest to me that standard roulette the house has 2 numbers in its favour (37 numbers total, straight up bet pays 35-1)

    No zero would suggest they only have one, however I am not sure how this would rate payout percentages on even chance bets when zero takes half or wipes out all column and dozen bets :confused:

    We ran a 'No zero' promotion many moons ago when I worked in a land based casino, won't go into the crooks of the matter but management and dealers had never got through so much paracetamol!
     
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  4. Apr 5, 2016
  5. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    yes there are a couple of casinos to where they hold this game . is it any better NO its roulette , just because theres no zero doesn't mean anything better just one less number to find.

    Cant remember which though its been a long time pariplay rings a bell ? ?
     
  6. Apr 5, 2016
  7. Casperito

    Casperito Dormant account

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    Yeah I actually just came from one online casino following an ad of their roulette tournament. It says first day is No Zero roulette and they claim it's an equal chance game? I'm not a maths expert, but I guess that makes sense because its the zero that gives casinos their edge in roulette?
    But then I don't really understand why would any casino have it if it's not in their favor :confused:
     
  8. Apr 5, 2016
  9. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    At one stage Betfair offered this game.
    Yes, it really does have a house edge of 0%. You are not losing anything by playing this game except your time.
     
  10. Apr 5, 2016
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    It's been about for a very long time - I have just recently started promoting BetVoyager (who have it) on my website again.
    No zero = 0.00% house edge :thumbsup:
    But... the "catch" is that if you win during a session on it, you pay the house a 10% cut of your winnings (only).
    I can't get my head round whether this is better long term than normal 2.7% roulette, but I would have thought so as you would "lose slower" when you're on a bad run.

    They also have lots of other zero edge games - including blackjack & even slots!
    Of course, the 10% "fee" applies to them as well.

    KK
     
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  12. Apr 5, 2016
  13. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Ok at the risk of making myself look publicly stupid (more so for working in a casino for 5 years!) can someone kindly explain how it can have a 0% house edge.

    Standard Roulette = 37 numbers (1-36+0) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (2 numbers in favour of house per spin)

    No Zero Roulette = 36 numbers (1-36) Straight up bets pay 35-1 (still 1 number in house favour)

    I'll get my ' :oops: :oops: :oops:' ready now :p
     
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  14. Apr 5, 2016
  15. mac72

    mac72 Senior Member

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    you get your stake back as well so £1 on a number pays total £36 zero edge
     
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  16. Apr 5, 2016
  17. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Jon you should know the answer to this.

    They only have one number in their favour in standard roulette.

    37 numbers and if you place £1 on any winning number you get £36 back. Lol wish I had visited your casino when you worked there.
     
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  18. Apr 5, 2016
  19. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    Why did you think John left :lolup::lolup::lolup:
     
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  20. Apr 5, 2016
  21. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Doh! :oops: :oops:

    Yeah blonde moment (ducks) totally forgot about stake!

    See you in a fortnight :oops:
     
  22. Apr 5, 2016
  23. trickster

    trickster Dormant account

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    Then Jon would have labelled you as an advantage player lol
     
  24. Apr 5, 2016
  25. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    Judging by your mathematical prowess, are you sure you haven't been trained at the same place I was?

    The 'McDonald's' of land-based casinos, the Golden Nugget in Shaftesbury Avenue! I hear it's now closed but it had nothing to do with me I swear
     
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  26. Apr 5, 2016
  27. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    :lolup::lolup:

    'Brain first, fingers second, brain first, fingers second' :oops::oops:

    One of my key strengths is I don't mind making a total idiot of myself from time to time :cool:
     
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  28. Apr 6, 2016
  29. ricky

    ricky Experienced Member

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    The reason why betfair stopped offering no zero roulette is because unlike in brick and mortar casino's everyone can access the table at the same time

    so the value of everyones bankroll is higher than betfair's bankroll...meaning risk of bankruptcy for betfair casino

    also no it detracts from others playing normal roulette

    i dont understand why more B&M dont offer no zero as a promotion
     
  30. Apr 6, 2016
  31. sscrabble

    sscrabble Experienced Member

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    If they take 10% of winnings surely they are actually making a bigger margin than on normal roulette ?

    To make it round numbers - if you have 74 ten pound bets on red on a normal wheel with a zero rtp would give you 36 winning bets - a £720 return for £740 bet - £20 lost

    The no zero wheel gives you 37 winning bets -- £740 bet - 37 winning bets - £740 won --- but they would take 10% from the £370 won - they get £37 - £37 lost -- (if they take it from the total return on the winning bet you would lose £74 )
     
  32. Apr 6, 2016
  33. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Welcome to the club! :thumbsup:

    KK
     
  34. Apr 6, 2016
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    No, I think you mis-understood - they take 10% of your PROFIT made while playing the game.

    e.g. Say you start playing 0% roulette with a bank of £100, have a good run and leave the table with £200.
    They then charge you 10% of your £100 profit = £10.

    Of course if you break-even or lose (as in your example), then you don't pay any fee.

    KK
     
  36. Apr 6, 2016
  37. hedgehok

    hedgehok Senior Member mm3

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    - Let's assume you place €10 bets 3 times on a French Roulette table (single zero). 10€ x 0.973^3 = 9.21€
    - 10% cut on winnings on a no-zero Roulette table, you will have a 50/50 chance to win/lose no matter how many bets you place -> 10€ x (1-0.1) x 0.5 +10€ x 0.5 = 9.50€

    So yes when you make 1 or 2 single bets the classic French Roulette is better but for players that play for an extended period of time the 10% cut on winnings on the no-zero table is FAR superior.
     
  38. Apr 6, 2016
  39. ricky

    ricky Experienced Member

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    i dont think thats correct

    the more i play, the more ill win as i would be either in profit or lose, and therefore not charged any commission

    so 10 people play £100, 8 people lose £100, 2 people win £500-£100= £400 so £40, £40*2=£80 which is 8%

    If they play even longer, 1 person wins £1000-£100=£900=£90 commision paid

    so your better off playing no zero roulette if you only intend to play a few spins or cash out around <1.4X your deposit
     

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