New Policy Change Procedure

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

Hello Everyone,

This is Christopher DiAngelo, the current casino manager with VIP Lounge Casino, Prism Casino and Slots of Vegas Casino. Due to recent misunderstandings on the forum, I have decided to do things a little bit differently. So that there can be no misunderstandings in the future, I am going to be posting here any time that I make a policy change, free chip offer, or addition to our Terms and Conditions in any of the three casinos I am responsible for. I believe this will help to disolve many disputes with us in the future.

My first policy change post is related to VIP Lounge Casino (Outdated URL (Invalid)). As most of you know, we recently excluded Netherlands from being allowed to receive bonuses at Prism and Slots of Vegas. Because we were not able to stop players from being able to immediately redeem coupons after they had signed up, it has created some problems for us. So, I am here now to let you know that we are going to be implementing this rule in the VIP Lounge Casino as well. This rules will be placed on the web site tomorrow and will not begin being enforced until 12:01AM EST on the 24th. That means that any player from the Netherlands to deposit and redeem a bonus before that time will not be affected. After that time however, this rule will be in full effect and will be enforced. Any player to deposit and redeem a bonus from the Netherlands after that time will be refunded. All winnings while using a bonus with us will be void.

Also, we have recently placed a free chip promotion out to active players that we knew from two of our other casinos, Prism and Slots of Vegas, so that they can come in and try out the VIP Lounge for free. Some of the players who received this promotion have posted the coupon code for the free chip on various forums without posting the rules to the chip. I have posted this promo for you below so that there can be no confusion as to the requirements. This offer will require a deposit if you wish to withdraw winnings from this free chip...

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I hope that this new policy of posting all changes here will help to curtail any problems with us in the future, as well as to keep you all up to date on all activities at our casinos. Please let me know if there is anything else that I can help you with.

Sincerely,

Christopher DiAngelo
VIP Lounge Manager
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[mrracetrack]

Previously posted by Chris DiAngelo:

This dispute however has opened my eyes as to how this works and it will be my last post on this forum... I have been nothing but attacked since. It is not for lack of "balls" that I will not be back... But, I am not going to get anything done here, ever. You have overlooked reason and the only "acceptable" result of any post in this forum is for players to be paid, whether they broke the rules or not... We don't like to have things like this happen. Like I said in my previous post, it would be best for us if everyone followed the casino rules and we didn't have to look out for the players looking to take advantage of us.
Thank you,

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

Now posted today (April 22nd) by Chris DiAngelo:

Due to recent misunderstandings on the forum, I have decided to do things a little bit differently. So that there can be no misunderstandings in the future, I am going to be posting here any time that I make a policy change, free chip offer, or addition to our Terms and Conditions in any of the three casinos I am responsible for. I believe this will help to disolve many disputes with us in the future.

Seems like you are not real sure what it is you want to do, Chris...

It appears you changed horses in midstream... after possibly realizing that your original post did nothing but further add to the poor reputation that all the casinos you work for have...

In most knowledgeable peoples opinions... anyone playing at ANY of the casinos in the group you are employed with... are just asking for problems... and that has been proven time and time again over the past 6 years.

The Virtual group... along with the original Windows Casino group... were the originating cause of all the "problems" that RTG casinos have had with their "poor reputations" over the years... and PRISM Casino has been a large part of that... and I've seen "very little" that would imply or show that anything has changed with the operations of the Virtual Casino group.... and the fact that the Virtual group has again been "ROGUED" here on Casinomeister adds more credibility to my statement.

 

[liquidsoap]

Isn't this sorta like spam???

 

[GemG7]

Well if Chris is trying to make amends for a prior post and is willing to work with players then more power to him. BUT not all players come and read this forum.

I played a few times at VIP Lounge and at the time did not realize it was part of the Virtual Group(my bad). Anyway I used the first deposit bonus, I think it was a 200% bonus at the time. I reached playthrough and didn't play any restricted games. I ended up cashing out $970 and it was paid to my Neteller account in 3 days. This was last September when we US players still could use Neteller. Then I realized the casino was part of Virtual, panicked and uninstalled the casino.

 

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

I am making an effort

mrracetrack,

If you read the thread that you are posting that previous comment of mine from, you will see that one of my loyal players asked me to come back later in that same thread. I am making an effort here. I will attempt to stay on and make sure that every policy, change and issue is taken care of promptly for the three casinos I deal with directly. I would also like be given the benefit of the doubt from time to time. Like I said in the previous post you have quoted, "I was wrong before I even said anything." The same seems to be applying to this post. I am making an effort, but I will not take abuse for no reason.

If you read that entire posting you are quoting, you would have seen that everything said by the player posting didn't add up. He claimed he wasn't part of a group, yet he was cropping his screenshots and posting other players shots from the cashier. He didn't see the rule in Slots of Vegas, but he was a player in Prism. His dates were stated differently in several posts and never matched up with the screenshots even he provided. Nothing that was said in that post added up and I did refund him in full, as well as every other player in his group. No money was taken from those players... they lost nothing. If I lost any face in that posting it is only because I tried to participate in it. That was the most ridiculous experience I have ever had with absolutely no regard for reason.

Anyway, I will sit back and watch for a few days. If you guys want me in here, let me know. I will always be fair. If you want to rake me over the coals for players that were caught breaking casino rules, I will stay away. I am willing to do this if I am going to be given a fair shake. I will watch to see how it is going to go.

Thank you for uderstanding and I am looking forward to being able to do this politely.

Sincerely,

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

 

[lanidar]

Those posts by VIP_Lounge_Mgr, reminded me of the Virtual Ted and Virtual Danny posts back in the day when they asked to be trusted....they asked to be believed....they're leaving and refused to post....next thing you know they were back posting.
Gimme a break!
These guys will say anything to steal your money.
"You will see that one of my loyal players".... I noticed that you didn't say "One of my MANY loyal players". Need I say more?
Look Chris, I don't really give a fat rats ass if you post or you don't.
I really don't care if you are trying to be a nice guy or not.
You are doing what you are told to do or you too will be out of a job, just like the many others that preceeded you.
We are not here to win a personality contest by being "nice guys".
This is business, serious business and the bottom line is the almighty dollar.
So, do what ever you wish...stay, go, go, stay.
But, I will ALWAYS be here to berate Virtual and all it stands for.

 

[Da_Gambla]

There are so many ways to approach this post, and an equal amount of ways not to approach as well... it's difficult at best.

I guess I'll start by saying, Chris, that I doubt I'll ever be a customer. Your company's history is really questionable. They have made short-term changes to alleviate problems, but the long-term always ends up negative. For me, Costa Rica and RTG in general are two combinations that suggest an impending explosion, which is an event I tend to avoid.

The two previous posters really took off the gloves and let you have it; pretty much on a personal level. I'll not go there... my opinion of the situation -is- negative, but I'll approach that negativity in a dignified and professional manner. I welcome your posts. It is quite obvious that things discussed here CAN and DO in fact affect casino business, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered (either last time, or this time).

I do respect your right to protect your business from abuse, and that must be a daunting, as wells as a never ending pursuit. I must ask, is the amount of new business brought in by bonus offers sufficient to counter all of the lost business due to bonus complaints and misunderstandings?

Bonuses have become a puzzle, and humankind are challenged by puzzles. The more complicated you make it, the more they will try and figure it out (usually along the lines of a weakness that can be abused). Everytime a casino tries to be creative with a 'solution', it always opens up other holes. This whole scenario seems very similar to the relationship of Microsoft and the entire hacking underground... You have to understand, if you can step into our shoes for a minute, that the solution seems right there in front of you... make the bonus very simple and impossible to abuse. Since that isn't happening, we can only then surmise that you make a great deal of money from confiscating people's money and denying payouts. With all due respect sir, you can post all of the "we're going to change" posts that you want, but if the implementation remains, the perception will persist.

It is an honor and a pleasure to have a company representative be made available for consumer dialogue and feedback. I do NOT appreciate the previous two poster's approach, and my post is here to let you know that there ARE potential customers out here who can discuss things without participating in a riot or public flogging. I have no idea if I am within a majority or a minority... we will see. I will watch with great interest if the Virtual Group can in fact run soundly, as well as fairly, for an extended period of time. Only then would I trust my own money or recommend your group to anyone. After only one post, which is tantamount to lip service, I am hesitant. Based on the amount of very real damage done over the last year or so, it is going to take an equal amount of time for that trust to be restored.

I wish you well in that endeavor, and your posts are appreciated.

Sincerely,
Keith

 

[jetset]

Great post, Da_Gambla! I second your introduction:

"There are so many ways to approach this post, and an equal amount of ways not to approach as well... it's difficult at best.

"I guess I'll start by saying, Chris, that I doubt I'll ever be a customer. Your company's history is really questionable. They have made short-term changes to alleviate problems, but the long-term always ends up negative. For me, Costa Rica and RTG in general are two combinations that suggest an impending explosion, which is an event I tend to avoid."

What you write in the remainder of your post makes absolute sense to me, too so I'll not try to expand on it further.

I would classify Chris's post as essentially spam for the following reasons:

1) Chris has presumably not cleared with Bryan his intention to post promos in this "Online Casinos" section - I would regard that as a necessary courtesy.

2) If Bryan agrees, then the actual promos should be in the appropriate commercial section, and Chris can be just as proactively present through being on the Casino Rep section and participating when appropriate in discussions on the forum.

 

[KasinoKing]

I wish you well in that endeavor, and your posts are appreciated.

I echo that sentiment, and indeed the rest of Da_Gambla's post.

KK

 

[vinylweatherman]

There is a good positive side to this, if any player is hit by a "policy change" that has NOT been posted here, then should we assume they have been screwed over?

A better way to gain trust would be to switch to Microgaming, who are a little more choosy who they allow to operate their software (probably due to the player protection scheme they operate for failed casinos).

In the original dispute, it was likely the players were after the bonus, however they did not break any terms that were POSTED at the time, even though this might have been an oversight. As casinos are often at great pains to point out, they don't want players trying to "interpret" the T & C, if it's there, it's a term, if it is NOT there, it does NOT apply.

I looked at the Slots of Vegas site when this dispute surfaced, and no indication is given that it is part of the same group, no obvious backlink to a group portal listing all the casinos, such as one might find with the Palace Group, Jackpot Factory and Casino Action. If there is to be any rules that apply to the group as a whole (such as only one SUB per player throughout) it should be made clear which casinos constitute the group.

 

[catrina m]

" but I will not take abuse for no reason."

I would have stated it for "any reason."

The small things make a difference.

 

[lojo]

" but I will not take abuse for no reason."

I would have stated it for "any reason."

The small things make a difference.

He may have been say that he is willing to take abuse if there is a reason?

It looks like there are some people who may never trust the Virtual Group again, and they may contribute to every thing ever brought up, just a risk Chris will have to take if he wants to participate here I guess.

Thanks for the policy changes, it can only help player and casino alike... the graphic? hmm

Other's mileage may vary, but I think that if the rest of the Virtual Group were run like Chris runs Prism and Slots, their problems would go away.

All in all, I think the community's response was amenable given the group's history and status. Nothing to lose and everything to gain by dealing with player issues in real time. Good luck

 

[thenmh]

Here is my policy change suggestions:

-Ask your rude customers service representatives to treat customers better.
-Reduce withdrawal processing times: It took 4 days to deduct the sticky bonus from the withdrawal AND ANOTHER 4 days to process the withdrawal. And I am certain that you can reduce the withdrawal processing time to 48 hours because I am sure you that you don't get many customers, even poplular online casinos which get many more withdrawal requests per day can do it so why can't you ? or do you just want the withdrawal to stay pending for a max time in the hope that customers will reverse it and lose ?

 

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

Responses to all questions and comments

Hello again everyone,

I am going to try to answer all of the most recent replies to this post. I apologize for the length... it is something I know I have to work on.

Da_Gambla: "I must ask, is the amount of new business brought in by bonus offers sufficient to counter all of the lost business due to bonus complaints and misunderstandings?"

The short answer is... yes.

The long answer is... the complaints and misunderstandings are a very small portion of our business, but they do affect us. Bad publicity can affect any company negatively, and I am here to try to avoid any more of it.

Da_Gambla: "I will watch with great interest if the Virtual Group can in fact run soundly, as well as fairly, for an extended period of time. Only then would I trust my own money or recommend your group to anyone. After only one post, which is tantamount to lip service, I am hesitant. Based on the amount of very real damage done over the last year or so, it is going to take an equal amount of time for that trust to be restored."

I am not happy about the recent re-rouging of our casinos and I feel that it was totally unfair. On the other hand, maybe it was our fault. We have had a very hands off approach to the forums, and have felt that our involvement on the forums have never gone very well. The attacks on us as a group made it almost impossible for the real issues to be addressed.

56 complaints against our group was the reason supplied for our recent rouging. Do the math. 56 complaints, spread over 8 casinos, each as large as almost any casino you compare them with, is 7 complaints each too many, but definitely not enough for any casino to be rouged. Then, when you take into consideration how many of these complaints come from players with issues that were resolved, or have the same issue and have made complaints as a group against us, the problems with our casinos are minimal. Oh, and I don't want to leave out the players like the one above who have issues with us, coming from as far back as 3 years ago or longer, that are still attacking our credibility.

I do not like the bad press, and I hate to think anyone thinks of us negatively. However, as I know the inner workings of our casinos, and that we do have a very fair and ethical organization; I am more than willing to spend the time to try to make it a fair fight. There has been too much said about us with no one to defend us. Any player who has ever tried has been butchered. Each casino manager cares a great deal about their players and their best interests. It does us no good to create problems that would create these kinds of issues with our image as a fair gaming organization. So, I sat down and decided that the only way to avoid these problems is to keep everyone informed of everything I do here. If any change or policy is made, there can be no dispute if I post it here first. This "I'm going to casinomeister" mentality when players are unhappy with casino rules can only be avoided by my being here.

I am happy to be here and hope that all of you will come to feel like they you can come directly to me if you ever have a problem. I also wouldn't mind that if there is ever a thread started in regards to any of the three casinos that I am responsible for, that some of you can send me a message and let me know. It is very difficult for me to catch all of the threads, and as I am so longwinded, it takes me awhile to answer when I am in

jetset: "1) Chris has presumably not cleared with Bryan his intention to post promos in this "Online Casinos" section - I would regard that as a necessary courtesy."

I am sorry about that image being posted. It seemed like a good idea when I did it, and now, after reading the posts and seeing the "spam" message, I have tried to remove. I am having a hard time trying to figure out how to edit the post though. If you guys could clue me in, I would appreciate it. I don't want to get into any trouble here.

jetset: "2) If Bryan agrees, then the actual promos should be in the appropriate commercial section, and Chris can be just as proactively present through being on the Casino Rep section and participating when appropriate in discussions on the forum."

I am not here to post promos, just prevent problems. I will get that image down as soon as I can.

vinylweatherman: "There is a good positive side to this, if any player is hit by a "policy change" that has NOT been posted here, then should we assume they have been screwed over?"

Each player is responsible for reading the rules of our casino and following them. I have made a promise to come and post any policy change in the future, but that will not prevent players from claiming changes have been made when they have not. There was a recent post made by a player in Finland claiming that the rule not allowing Finish players to use bonuses was not on the web site when he deposited and claimed a bonus... basically jumping on the bandwagon with the Netherlands group. The funny thing about that is that Finland was not allowed to redeem bonuses since early 2004, just before I started working here as a clerk. Those kind of problems will never be avoided, but I will make sure that any new additions to our rules are posted on this forum. I understand that not everybody reads this forum, but this will be in addition to the changes made on the site and no one will be able to dispute dates again.

vinylweatherman: "I looked at the Slots of Vegas site when this dispute surfaced, and no indication is given that it is part of the same group, no obvious backlink to a group portal listing all the casinos, such as one might find with the Palace Group, Jackpot Factory and Casino Action."

"Slots of Vegas.com is a Slots Portal of the Prism Casino Group. If you already have the Prism Account please do not download again!"

That has been on the download page of the Slots of Vegas web site since the casino was created. It is directly below the spot you need to enter your info to be allowed to download...

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catrina m: "I would have stated it for "any reason."

You are right; I should have said "any". Thank you.

lojo: "Other's mileage may vary, but I think that if the rest of the Virtual Group were run like Chris runs Prism and Slots, their problems would go away."

That was very nice. Thank you.

thenmh: "-Ask your rude customers service representatives to treat customers better."

Please let me know any time that you have a bad experience with one of our reps. I would like to think that none of them will be rude with you, ever.

thenmh: "-Reduce withdrawal processing times: It took 4 days to deduct the sticky bonus from the withdrawal AND ANOTHER 4 days to process the withdrawal. And I am certain that you can reduce the withdrawal processing time to 48 hours because I am sure you that you don't get many customers, even poplular online casinos which get many more withdrawal requests per day can do it so why can't you ? or do you just want the withdrawal to stay pending for a max time in the hope that customers will reverse it and lose ?"

Our withdrawal process at Prism and Slots of Vegas is clearly stated as 7-10 business days. We do our absolute best to stay within that timeframe. US players are becoming increasingly difficult to pay quickly as the options for various methods is very slim and we have to keep the transaction amounts and amount of transactions low to avoid being blocked. This has caused slight delays, but I am very happy to say that we are some of the few casinos able to continue paying players with no problems other than slight delays. I apologize if this has ever caused you any inconvenience and we are currently working on some new methods that will help us to avoid these problems altogether.


Well, I think that about covers it. Please let me know if there is anything else that I can answer for all of you. I am very happy that I am being given the opportunity.

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

 

[lojo]

I'm impressed, Chris. Very insightful post. Thank you.

Of the issues you numbered, are any unresolved within your realm of influence? If not, how will they be handled?

The question on everybody else's mind might be: so, Chris is doing a great job with three casinos, what about the straight-up rogue behavior of others in the Virtual Group?

How will you overcome that with this educated audience?

I understand you might only be able to speak about the casinos you manage, and I totally respect that. But as has been said before, it is a long uphill climb.

Again; As a Member i welcome transparent, open communication with casino reps.
This is not a marketing dude, you have a Manager here. A guy with skinthick and modicom enough to have a discussion.

Best to all

 

[mrracetrack]

Posted by Prism manager Chris DiAngelo:

56 complaints against our group was the reason supplied for our recent rouging. Do the math. 56 complaints, spread over 8 casinos, each as large as almost any casino you compare them with, is 7 complaints each too many, but definitely not enough for any casino to be rouged.

56 complaints?

I put this into Google... Prism Casino+Complaints... here is the result:

Results 1 - 20 of about 41,400 for Prism Casino+Complaints.

Looks like a tad more than 56...

Oh... it's "Rogue" or "Rogued" Chris...not "rouged"... unless you are referring to coloring your casino with make up...

 

[lojo]

I was just curious, mrracetrack, do you have an unresolved dispute with them? I'm a newbie and I honestly don't know. I've read some horrid tales, but only one-sided. Is it anything the rep here can help to solve? Am I just naive? I know there are reasons for the group not being accredited, for not making it off probation, for being rogued.


Google
Prism 18,700,000
Prism -casino +complaints 321,000
"Prism Casino" +complaint 773 and of course some of those are replies, duplicate listings, and irrelevant hits.

With that 'boildown' I think it's fair to say that the PAB's here are the important ones to know about, for me anyway.

The Prism Manager might not be able to speak for the group, and he might not want to. Maybe i was too aggressive and he should ignore me and anyone else that asks questions like that. Maybe the best thing is for him to cover his ass by posting changes in real time so nobody can say it wasn't so; answer questions about the two or three casinos he manages, deal with any current issues in real time and let the chips fall where they may. I dunno.

I'm out of this one (yeah, I know, I say that all the time)

But it don't mean sh*t to a sagebrush, I can switch from pepsi to coke in a heartbeat, and there are more accredited RTG's than a person needs a mouseclick away.

I just want to see a civil discussion of issues. Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.

 

[mrracetrack]

lojo asked:

I was just curious, mrracetrack, do you have an unresolved dispute with them? I'm a newbie and I honestly don't know. I've read some horrid tales, but only one-sided. Is it anything the rep here can help to solve? Am I just naive? I know there are reasons for the group not being accredited, for not making it off probation, for being rogued.

Unresolved?

No... unhappily resolved would be more appropriate... along with being privy to a few others that also had "problems" with Prism and the Virtual group.

I have been involved in online gaming for 7 years now... and this specific group (Virtual) has been the subject of MANY player complaints over that period.

It is my opinion that the Virtual group... along with the original Windows Casino group... are 95% responsible for the unsavory and poor reputation that RTG casinos in general... still have to this day.

So when I see yet another "Virtual manager/spokesperson" (and there have been a few previously) come to a forum and start to "defend" the ethics and reputation of a Virtual casino... I feel it's appropriate to continue to make people aware of the "less than stellar" reputation and history this group has deservedly earned over the years.

And that's what I am doing.

 

[jinnia]

I was a victim of Virtual/Prism/Grafix back in 2003. And their actions caused me to lose a lot, not just them not paying winnings, but what they took from my checking account without authorization.

Casinomeister could have resolved my issue sooner, I'm sure, but I couldn't find my files kept, at the time, but was able to later on. A couple of years later Amit Jain of Grafix/Virtual/Prism paid back what they stole.

My question is, "how many times does it take for a casino, group of casinos say they have cleaned up their act, and webmasters gives them yet, another chance, to only have it thrown right back in their faces? How many times right here at Casinomeisters??

They lie profusely to get more victims sent their way, and lie about the people/players/webmasters who posts negatively about them to other webmasters, just to get promoted. (I have snapshots as such)

No, they have claimed to change TOO many times, to only within 6 months or so, it's the same old routine as it has always been!!

 

[dancinggoon]

Hello again everyone,



Our withdrawal process at Prism and Slots of Vegas is clearly stated as 7-10 business days. We do our absolute best to stay within that timeframe. US players are becoming increasingly difficult to pay quickly as the options for various methods is very slim and we have to keep the transaction amounts and amount of transactions low to avoid being blocked. This has caused slight delays, but I am very happy to say that we are some of the few casinos able to continue paying players with no problems other than slight delays. I apologize if this has ever caused you any inconvenience and we are currently working on some new methods that will help us to avoid these problems altogether.


Well, I think that about covers it. Please let me know if there is anything else that I can answer for all of you. I am very happy that I am being given the opportunity.

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

I glad that someone from your Group is going to join this Forum and trying to get the whole situation in the right direction!

Regarding the cashout policy i have quoted, it would be nice if you can take some care about my account "casinosep" on Prism. On the 28.10.2006 i ordered a cashout ob around 7000$ from you Casino, until now i have recived exactly 3000$ thats not nearly the half, after around 5 months! I know you have me as an advancedplayer, and because of this you told me i will recive only 500$ per week. But as the whole thing goes, i recived 500$ every 3-4 weeks.

If you could handle this situation porperly Chris, it would take some solid background to your posting here.

On the other side i want to add that i had a cashout of around 5000$ at Viplounge casino. I recieved the whole amount in 2-3 weeks without any problems, so nothing to complain here.

 

[lanidar]

Boy, Jinnia and Track just about hit all the bases.
I'd like to add something but, I can't think of a single solitary thing.

mrracetrack: I put this into Google... Prism Casino+Complaints... here is the result:

Results 1 - 20 of about 41,400 for Prism Casino+Complaints.

I didn't know that there were THAT many.
56 complaints are pretty close to 41,400 Track... give the mathematician a break! He's probably working for nickels and dimes. Virtual probably took him off one of the banana farms I saw when I was in Costa Rica.
Thanks Track.

Jinnia: I was a victim of Virtual/Prism/Grafix back in 2003. And their actions caused me to lose a lot, not just them not paying winnings, but what they took from my checking account without authorization.

Real nice people. Just the kind of casino you'd want to go back and play in again and again.
I just love their honesty and integrity.

 

[quber]

I know you have me as an advancedplayer, and because of this you told me i will recive only 500$ per week. But as the whole thing goes, i recived 500$ every 3-4 weeks.

I can not understand why a Casino will only pay $500 a week, if they are willing to take any amount a week off me they should pay any amount back to me.

If you owe a player money they are not going to play again until they have received all their winnings (and even then they probably wouldn't play again), if you give them a fast payout that money will come straight back at you.

I would never put 1 penny in a casino with limited cashout rules it just makes no sense and is a sure sign of a dodgy casino.

 

[Robertsgirl]

Prism Casino

I would like to explain to Chris that ever player does not belong to these forums. I joined after a withdraw problem from Prism Casino. Some of the Customer Service employes gave conflicting, and or mis-information. What really got me, was that one would end Chats, and became quite rude. I called for the Manager on several occasions they kept saying that he's not available.
Chris did intervene, and I was paid. (not in the manner that I requested) I am sure from everones perspective, I should be happy. However, it appear's that he is attempting to clear the air here....So I have some suggestions....from a new to online gamming players perspective.

Please....educate your CS staff. When they give wrong or mis-information, this makes they players quite skepical about the type of casino they are playing at. Since they are the players point of contact, they are representatives of your establishment. In my case, I think that they said anything to get me off of the phone..such as your withdraw will be processed today. Well as I am sure you can imagine after a couple of weeks of today, Wed, and Fri...With no payment?? This makes one quite testy!

Please...make the T/C easy to find, and easy to read. I have been in the Legal Field for 17 years, for a Government entity. I did not realize that I had to put the pieces of the puzzle together to understand the T/C.

Please...be available to the player's. After reading your statement, I see that you are attempting to clean up one heck of a mess. If I would have spoke to you, maybe my issues would not have been posted anywhere.

I hope that I have not stepped on anyones toes here..Just my opinion.

 

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

Replies

Okay guys,

Here we go...

mrracetrack: "I put this into Google... Prism Casino+Complaints... here is the result:

Results 1 - 20 of about 41,400 for Prism Casino+Complaints."

I was actually referring to what casinomeister stated as the reasons for being re-rogued...

casinomesiter.com: "During their sixth month probation period, there were no less than 56 complaints submitted via the Pitch a Bitch section."
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

I would like to show you all how accurate that search is that mrracetrack performed. I decided to do it on some of the Accredited Casino's here at Casinomeister. Here are the results (you can check them if you like)...

Accredited Casinos

All Jackpots Casino
Results 1 - 10 of about 303,000 for All Jackpots Casino + complaints.

Golden Riviera Casino
Results 1 - 10 of about 82,800 for Golden Riviera Casino + complaints.

Riverbelle Online Casino
Results 1 - 10 of about 32,600 for Riverbelle Online Casino + complaints.

InterCasino
Results 1 - 10 of about 27,300 for InterCasino + complaints.

That is just some of them. You still think we are so far out of the norm? Our results were only about 14.5% of what were received for All Jackpots Casino and half of the results for Golden Riviera Casino. Either the search you ran is very inaccurate, or we aren't as bad as you might think, huh?

mrracetrack: "Oh... it's "Rogue" or "Rogued" Chris...not "rouged"... unless you are referring to coloring your casino with make up... "

Sorry for the spelling error. That's what I get for using spell check. I should have remembered how to spell it... I used to read X-Men comics enough, lol.

lojo: "The Prism Manager might not be able to speak for the group, and he might not want to. Maybe i was too aggressive and he should ignore me and anyone else that asks questions like that. Maybe the best thing is for him to cover his ass by posting changes in real time so nobody can say it wasn't so; answer questions about the two or three casinos he manages, deal with any current issues in real time and let the chips fall where they may. I dunno."

This is the best I can do. I know the managers of each of our other casinos and we do help each other out from time to time, but I have nothing to do with their policies and procedures. I am happy to try and resolve any disputes with the three casinos I am responsible for and can speak on the behalf of all reps working for these casinos. I do not want to get involved with disputes regarding our other casinos, as I have no authority there.

mrracetrack: "So when I see yet another "Virtual manager/spokesperson" (and there have been a few previously) come to a forum and start to "defend" the ethics and reputation of a Virtual casino... I feel it's appropriate to continue to make people aware of the "less than stellar" reputation and history this group has deservedly earned over the years."

That is a wonderful sentiment and I am sure that a lot of people will be happy to hear that you are looking out for their best interests. Unfortunately, your comments are all very vague. You state...

"I feel it's appropriate to continue to make people aware of the "less than stellar" reputation and history this group has deservedly earned over the years."

What exactly are the issues that you want to share with everyone? That we have had complaints? Yes, we have had people complain. That we have been slow making payments? Yes, we have been slow making payments at times. I am not disputing any of those facts. But, to base the integrity of our casinos on those facts... that is not right. We ALWAYS PAY whether there have been delays in the past or not. And, if we don't, there is a reason; either the player broke casino rules or was fraudulent. Those are the only reasons we wouldn't pay a player. So, do you have a real issue that I can help you with or would you like to continue running useless queries in Google, pulling statistics out of thin air and making fun of my spelling? I will happy to help you with anything you might need.

jinnia: "My question is, "how many times does it take for a casino, group of casinos say they have cleaned up their act, and webmasters gives them yet, another chance, to only have it thrown right back in their faces? How many times right here at Casinomeisters??"

You stated in this same post, not only that this problem was back in 2003, but also that it was resolved. I am here to make sure that current problems are taken care of and that players are treated fairly... NOW. There is nothing that I can do for you now if you had problems with one of our casinos in the past, and you said yourself that we resolved the issue for you a couple of years ago. So, to say that we are throwing it back in the faces of players, when we have actually worked to resolve all issues, no matter how dated, does not seem fair to me. What else can we do?

dancinggoon: "Regarding the cashout policy i have quoted, it would be nice if you can take some care about my account "casinosep" on Prism. On the 28.10.2006 i ordered a cashout ob around 7000$ from you Casino, until now i have recived exactly 3000$ thats not nearly the half, after around 5 months! I know you have me as an advancedplayer, and because of this you told me i will recive only 500$ per week. But as the whole thing goes, i recived 500$ every 3-4 weeks."

These deals were made under previous management and we have upheld those deals. But, for all withdrawals requested recently, payments are not being adjusted based on player class. Please contact me though, and I will see if I can work something out with you.

Email: [email protected]

robertsgirl: "Please....educate your CS staff. When they give wrong or mis-information, this makes they players quite skepical about the type of casino they are playing at. Since they are the players point of contact, they are representatives of your establishment. In my case, I think that they said anything to get me off of the phone..such as your withdraw will be processed today. Well as I am sure you can imagine after a couple of weeks of today, Wed, and Fri...With no payment?? This makes one quite testy!"

How are you? It's been awhile. I couldn't agree with you more. I have done my best to make sure that my staff is well educated and able to answer most any queries thrown their way. I do catch some stupid comments or answers from time to time though; I don't think it can be avoided. They are a fairly new group, none of them having been here for more than a year, but they are eager to learn and getting better every day. Please contact me by email, I pasted my link above, so that we can discuss the specific rep you were having a problem with and try to get that resolved.

robertsgirl: "Please...make the T/C easy to find, and easy to read. I have been in the Legal Field for 17 years, for a Government entity. I did not realize that I had to put the pieces of the puzzle together to understand the T/C."

I think our Terms and Conditions are the most simple I have ever read. Please let me know where you think we could make some improvement.

robertsgirl: "Please...be available to the player's. After reading your statement, I see that you are attempting to clean up one heck of a mess. If I would have spoke to you, maybe my issues would not have been posted anywhere."

Unfortunately, my job now requires a lot more of me than just answering chats and phone calls. I am here, and available, almost 9 hours a day, to all of our players. But, there are times, like when I am doing things like this, or promotions, or withdrawals, that I am not available to my players. That is what our staff is for. An issue should only escalate to me if it cannot be resolved by our customer service staff. I think you have been taken care of fully, though. Was there anything else that you needed resolved?



Well, once again, I apologize for the length and thank you all for your input. Have a great day.

Chris
VIP Lounge, Prism and Slots of Vegas Manager

 

[lojo]

Quote:
lojo: "The Prism Manager might not be able to speak for the group, and he might not want to....

This is the best I can do. I know the managers of each of our other casinos and we do help each other out from time to time, but I have nothing to do with their policies and procedures. I am happy to try and resolve any disputes with the three casinos I am responsible for and can speak on the behalf of all reps working for these casinos. I do not want to get involved with disputes regarding our other casinos, as I have no authority there.

Thanks, Chris. Again, I have confidence in your management, so therefor the casinos you are responsible for. And again, as a player I want to commend you for making yourself available to the forum and for your willingness to settle any disputes as they happen. (Of course they shouldn't appear here at all, but sometimes a player and casino won't see eye to eye and public exposure and feedback might be needed).

I understand you can only act within your sphere of influence to improve the Group's reputation overall. Best of luck

 

[vinylweatherman]

"Slots of Vegas.com is a Slots Portal of the Prism Casino Group. If you already have the Prism Account please do not download again!"

That has been on the download page of the Slots of Vegas web site since the casino was created. It is directly below the spot you need to enter your info to be allowed to download

This is true, but why have different "Portals" when players can only play at one, it can only help to confuse players, especially when they hear about these portals from your "spammy affiliates" who are interested only in getting the victim to click through and download.
Surely all the games in "slots of vegas" are also available in the main Prism casino. This is probably what caused the earlier problem of the player signing up at Slots of Vegas and being told their winnings were voided due to breaching the Prism terms and conditions. They will have seen the warning, but if they did not have a Prism account would have downloaded the casino, and expected the terms on the portal to apply to them without needing to look for the Prism terms.

While the number of complaints was small, it is the nature, not the number, that really counts. The fact that issues are resolved is not relevant if it took going to Casinomeister to get anyone to see sense. A good casino would resolve a problem straight away, rather than allow it to ferment, hoping the issue will go away.
Large numbers of players cannot see any logic in terms where you would refuse to pay a Finnish player for doing exactly the same thing as an American player. As far as they are concerned, they have been branded "second class" based on where they live. Because such country bans are in a special section of the terms, the large number of American players who have failed to read the terms are not affected because the terms just don't apply. I bet if a term banning American and Canadian players from bonuses was slipped in without notice, and new players left to find out themselves by reading the T & C (which they should, but many don't), there would be a massive number of complaints from players who have "never had trouble before" with online casinos.
Clever players who KNOW why Finnish players are banned will be finding ever more inventive ways of beating the casino, and some will be succeeding.

 

[Sbjr]

I was about to go play here until I saw you guys are part of the prism group. I threw my money down a hole instead, at least then I don't have to wonder if I will receive anything back.

 

[mrracetrack]

Quote:
mrracetrack: "I put this into Google... Prism Casino+Complaints... here is the result:

Results 1 - 20 of about 41,400 for Prism Casino+Complaints."

I was actually referring to what casinomeister stated as the reasons for being re-rogued...


Quote:
casinomesiter.com: "During their sixth month probation period, there were no less than 56 complaints submitted via the Pitch a Bitch section."
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

I posted what showed up on Google... I made no comments or remarks pertaining to that stat... other than it shows a LOT more than 56 complaints. People can take from that statistic whatever they choose.

Quote:
mrracetrack: "So when I see yet another "Virtual manager/spokesperson" (and there have been a few previously) come to a forum and start to "defend" the ethics and reputation of a Virtual casino... I feel it's appropriate to continue to make people aware of the "less than stellar" reputation and history this group has deservedly earned over the years."

That is a wonderful sentiment and I am sure that a lot of people will be happy to hear that you are looking out for their best interests. Unfortunately, your comments are all very vague...

Well Chris... I'm sure that having YOU looking out for peoples best interest will be quite reassuring to everyone...

What comments were vague??

The previous managers/spokespersons?

Virtual Ted posted on here... and on the forum I am a moderator on.

Ted at least appeared to try to honestly answer questions and accusations. He took the "heat" rather well, IMO. Unfortunately... he no longer works for Virtual... and I believe he mentioned he was stiffed out of his final paycheck... How surprising...

Virtual Danny also was given the opportunity to state his thoughts and defend Virtual... on both the Sucks and the OPU forums... and got his feelings hurt... and couldn't stand the heat... and scurried off with his tail between his legs... never to be heard from again... (except for the "Virtual Danny Spam" he continued to send to everyone)...

He sure didn't do much for the reputation of the Virtual Casino group... other than add to the negative views most people already held about them.

Were you referring to my comment about the "less than steller" reputation?

Anyone who does a search on ANY of the major gambling forums (including here on Casinomeister) about Virtual Casinos... and especially PRISM... will find thread after thread of NEGATIVE posts concerning these casinos... and that is a FACT... not some "vague" comments on my part.

We ALWAYS PAY whether there have been delays in the past or not. And, if we don't, there is a reason; either the player broke casino rules or was fraudulent. Those are the only reasons we wouldn't pay a player.

No... you DON'T "always pay"... you invoke what you stated above... claims of "the player broke casino rules or was fraudulent" which has been the standard "catch phrase" you invoked FAR too many times... and is exactly what the Virtual group and PRISM are infamous for.

Now you come on here claiming that you will post any and all "T&C changes"... and be accessable to players to deal with any "problems"...

Well... that's great, Chris...

You want everyone to just "forgive and forget" all past injustices... and give you and your casinos a "fresh start" now...

The old adage "Actions speak louder than words" seems more appropriate here.

We don't need you to "tell" us how great things are going to be with your casinos... we need to "see" it.

All these types of "promises" have been made numerous times by the Virtual group in the past... and were continually "broken" numerous times.

I give you credit, Chris... you are trying to do your job to the best of your ability... and your attempts at "spin doctoring" all the negative things posted about your casinos is commendable... but as I stated above...

"Actions speak louder than words"...

 

[catrina m]

"Virtual Danny also was given the opportunity to state his thoughts and defend Virtual... on both the Sucks and the OPU forums... and got his feelings hurt... and couldn't stand the heat... and scurried off with his tail between his legs... never to be heard from again... (except for the "Virtual Danny Spam" he continued to send to everyone)... "


I had to email virtual danny to get him to stop. Maybe he will, lol

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: stop the emails



----- Original Message -----
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Hi

Sorry to bother you. I cant find you on my list. I think I already took you off. What the email address? I'll forward it to support to take you off their list
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: stop the emails


stop the emails

 

[catrina m]

I removed my email address from the previous post because I don't virtual chris spamming me also.

 

[jinnia]

jinnia: "My question is, "how many times does it take for a casino, group of casinos say they have cleaned up their act, and webmasters gives them yet, another chance, to only have it thrown right back in their faces? How many times right here at Casinomeisters??"

You stated in this same post, not only that this problem was back in 2003, but also that it was resolved. I am here to make sure that current problems are taken care of and that players are treated fairly... NOW. There is nothing that I can do for you now if you had problems with one of our casinos in the past, and you said yourself that we resolved the issue for you a couple of years ago. So, to say that we are throwing it back in the faces of players, when we have actually worked to resolve all issues, no matter how dated, does not seem fair to me. What else can we do?

Yes, my problem was in 2003, yes two years later Amit paid. BUT, my statement of, ""how many times does it take for a casino, group of casinos say they have cleaned up their act, and webmasters gives them yet, another chance, to only have it thrown right back in their faces?" has nothing to do with that, it has to do with, Virtual/Prism gets rogued, a representative for them strolls in and says they've cleaned up their act, and six months later the complaints start rolling in, again! They get rogued, in strolls yet 'another' representative for them. That is what my statement is about. It has happened time after time, with the exact same results....rogued again, due to same ol' behaviour.

I wonder if a quick search will show very recent complaints?

 

[mrracetrack]

[email protected]

Working Hours
Noon to Midnight EST Monday to Saturday

No wonder "Virtual Danny" is so irritable and sensitive... He works TOO MANY HOURS...

Virtual has him "slaving away" on duty for 72 hours a week...

Chris... do you work that same "72 hour" shift?

 

[lanidar]

jinnia:
Yes, my problem was in 2003, yes two years later Amit paid.

In order to get Jinnia paid TWO YEARS later it took a series of phone calls directly to Amit.
If I remember correctly, Amit denied that Prism was part of Virtual.
BUT, since he didn't want any negative PR he said he would pay it anyway.
Then, when the funds were supposed to be in Jinnia's account... it didn't show.
More phone calls and more excuses why it wasn't there yet.
FINALLY, the funds showed up in her account.

Now, my questions to the world are:
1. Why would someone pay an outstanding debt from a casino that wasn't part of your group?
2. Possibly he was mistaken?
3. Maybe we should all send our outstanding payments to Chris and have him ask Amit to pay them for us?

Sorry, Jinnia, I didn't mean to jump in on your band wagon but, I wanted to let the posters and Chrisy Boy here know how really difficult it was to get your money.

Also, like Mrracetrack said:
"Virtual Danny also was given the opportunity to state his thoughts and defend Virtual... on both the Sucks and the OPU forums... and got his feelings hurt... and couldn't stand the heat... and scurried off with his tail between his legs... never to be heard from again...and scurried off with his tail between his legs... never to be heard from again... "

VD was/is a sad excuse for a manager. I remember when he posted that his "feelings were hurt" by all the negative posts about him and Virtual.

I wonder if he went home crying to mommy.

 

[The Dude]

Hi Chris,

I'm just catching up with the thread. Thanks for being communicative on changes concerning your casino bonuses. I don't mind making this information available, but I do have a point to make concerning the following statement:

I am not happy about the recent re-rouging of our casinos and I feel that it was totally unfair. On the other hand, maybe it was our fault. We have had a very hands off approach to the forums, and have felt that our involvement on the forums have never gone very well. The attacks on us as a group made it almost impossible for the real issues to be addressed.

56 complaints against our group was the reason supplied for our recent rouging. Do the math. 56 complaints, spread over 8 casinos, each as large as almost any casino you compare them with, is 7 complaints each too many, but definitely not enough for any casino to be rouged. Then, when you take into consideration how many of these complaints come from players with issues that were resolved, or have the same issue and have made complaints as a group against us, the problems with our casinos are minimal. Oh, and I don't want to leave out the players like the one above who have issues with us, coming from as far back as 3 years ago or longer, that are still attacking our credibility....

You do understand there are many casinos that generate 0-5 complaints per year that are the same size as yours. I sat down with your General Manager and two other interested parties last October, went over your business plan, and came to the agreement that complaints would cease with proper guidance and management. Over the course of several months there were no changes in the types of complaints or number submitted.

And this wasn't the first time we sat down together. I had a meeting with your owner a few years ago going over the same thing.

I get this all the time - especially from the Virtual Casino Group - "Oh, we're so huge, of course we're going to generate complaints." Bull shit. People complain to me when they have no other place to go. If a casino is properly managed, all complaints should be resolved by the casino operation itself. I should NEVER be approached by a player. Most well managed casinos understand this.

The Virtual casino group has always been problematic. Too many cowboy managers making stupid decisions. Your organization lacks professionalism. Keep in mind, players occasionally send me chat sessions or emails where managers display their amateuristic tendencies. Just yesterday, the manager for Virtual casino (Roger) referred to me as the "School Marm" in a chat session to a player. You show me a reputable business that condones or tolerates this sort of behavior from a manager - and I'll show you the Virtual Casino group.

As long as your organization keeps excusing itself for being so "big" that it generates complaints, you'll never take your casinos out of the perpetual tailspin that it's in. There needs to be serious changes made at Virtual - not just lip service that I and many others have received over the past several years.

 

[lanidar]

Now THAT is one GREAT post!!!
​

 

[tim5ny]

I always wanted to be a School-Marm! Some guys have all the luck.

 

[Robertsgirl]

School Marm Chat

Hey Bryan,

Maybe you should post that chat? What do you think?

 

[jinnia]

[1] I sat down with your General Manager and two other interested parties last October, went over your business plan, and came to the agreement that complaints would cease with proper guidance and management. Over the course of several months there were no changes in the types of complaints or number submitted.

[2] And this wasn't the first time we sat down together. I had a meeting with your owner a few years ago going over the same thing.

[3] As long as your organization keeps excusing itself for being so "big" that it generates complaints, you'll never take your casinos out of the perpetual tailspin that it's in. There needs to be serious changes made at Virtual - not just lip service that I and many others have received over the past several years.

1 and 2 above is exactly what I speak of. Promises to change and do better, and that not happening, over and over again!
The only changes within the Virtual group are the changing of managers.

Number 3 above, AMEN!!!

 

[lojo]

Hi Chris,

...

As long as your organization keeps excusing itself for being so "big" that it generates complaints, you'll never take your casinos out of the perpetual tailspin that it's in. There needs to be serious changes made at Virtual - not just lip service that I and many others have received over the past several years.

Sorry X. There is a rogue element there that just is. You guys are sooo close to coming into the light.

How fexing hard would it be to pay every valid issue? How hard would it be to say, yes, we trust the arbitrator (CM) and we want to be trusted absolutely by any player anywhere, anytime.

I don't get it.You are either crooks or you are not.

 

[VIP_Lounge_Mgr]

Hello Everyone,

Chris again...

Bryan,

Thank you very much for your reply. Here are my opinions

Casinomeister: You do understand there are many casinos that generate 0-5 complaints per year that are the same size as yours. I sat down with your General Manager and two other interested parties last October, went over your business plan, and came to the agreement that complaints would cease with proper guidance and management. Over the course of several months there were no changes in the types of complaints or number submitted.

Explain to me how it is that our group is the only group that has to deal with players breaking casino rules and running to the forums. I cannot believe that. This issue with the Netherlands players could have happened to anyone. I also just had a group from Poland come in and redeem free chips with me at Prism. I had to deny over 40 withdrawals, all redeeming the same free chip, all on the same day, and Poland has been blocked from chips for 3years! I will not be surprised if at least 10 of those players go to the forums. Are you telling me that other casinos don't have these problems, or that they just blindly pay everyone, even free chip hunters, just to avoid bad publicity? That seems to me like a recipe for bankruptcy. The complaints that will be generated just from this one group, clearly breaking casino rules, will double what you state "many casinos" generate per year. What do we do? Forget about our rules and let cheaters run wild?

Casinomeister: I get this all the time - especially from the Virtual Casino Group - "Oh, we're so huge, of course we're going to generate complaints." Bull shit. People complain to me when they have no other place to go. If a casino is properly managed, all complaints should be resolved by the casino operation itself. I should NEVER be approached by a player. Most well managed casinos understand this.

That is exactly what I am saying! We would love to be able to deal with all of these issues ourselves. Unfortunately, there are always going to be these black marks against us. We are going to have to learn to deal with that. But, some of your forum members had used our "probation" as leverage to do whatever they want. You know how many times during those few months all of heard "I am going to casinomeister..." when we were explaining to them that they were clearly breaking casino rules? It is almost better that you rogue us... at least that nonsense has stopped. They used your forum as cover, and that is a fact. If they had not known that we were making serious efforts to clean up a bad rep on your site, they would not have had a leg to stand on. The majority of complaints you received were foolery and we both know it. The fact is, we are an honest and fair casino, with better payout percentages than most other casinos online, we always pay (if slowly at times... I do not dispute that), but we do not tolerate cheating or bonus abuse. That will never change. If you are looking for an angle, don't look here. We will catch you.

Casinomeister: The Virtual casino group has always been problematic. Too many cowboy managers making stupid decisions. Your organization lacks professionalism. Keep in mind, players occasionally send me chat sessions or emails where managers display their amateuristic tendencies.

You are absolutely right. Our management has been poor on a lot of levels. Managers have been given a lot of freedom, within their respective casinos, and some very bad choices have been made in the past. I believe my boss has admitted to this while speaking with you as well. A lot of that has changed, and managers are being held responsible for their actions now. He has discussed all of this with you and it is all true. But, the basic fundamental rule of "follow casino rules" has not changed. We will not back down and say, "Oh, you're going to casinomeister?? Wait... wait wait... We'll pay you!!!," when players have clearly disregarded the rules of the casino and used methods specifically listed as not allowed in the terms and conditions of each of our casinos.

Casinomeister: Just yesterday, the manager for Virtual casino (Roger) referred to me as the "School Marm" in a chat session to a player. You show me a reputable business that condones or tolerates this sort of behavior from a manager - and I'll show you the Virtual Casino group.

I wouldn't say that that was unprofessional, Bryan. I can understand why you don't like the opinion, but that is what it is... just an opinion. We are all getting sick of hearing, "I'm going to casinomeister," every time we ask for docs, explain rules, check playthrough, or do anything that a players feels unhappy about. We are running a business and being fair. That "bull shit" is getting tiresome.

We are in gaming, Bryan. We are not a customer service center for IBM or Coca Cola. This is a different type of business with a different type of customer. If I pasted some of things you say to clients, and then was to compare you with a customer service representive from a so-called "reputable business," I think you would find that professionalism is not only a matter of opinion, but varies greatly on the business that you are in. This business is not for the Mary Poppins' of the world... this is gambling! This business was built by people interested in having fun and is kept alive by the same type of people. The don't want professional... they want entertainment. We give it to them, as do you.

Casinomeister: As long as your organization keeps excusing itself for being so "big" that it generates complaints, you'll never take your casinos out of the perpetual tailspin that it's in. There needs to be serious changes made at Virtual - not just lip service that I and many others have received over the past several years.

We made an effort to get off that "rogue" list and it was a mistake. A lot of your members treated it as a weakness and milked it for everything it was worth. I have a propostion for you... next time you want to put someone on probation, DON'T ANNOUNCE IT. I'll bet you wouldn't have gotten 10% of the complaints you did if players didn't know they could hurt us with them. I think these threads have shown that there are some people holding some nasty grudges (from years ago), and even more just trying to get over. We didn't have a chance before it even started.

Oh and we are growing, Bryan. The tailspin you are referring to either doesnt exist or it has had some backwards results. So you know, for every complaint you have received, we have over 500 active, satisfied, depositors in Prism alone. We just wanted to get our names off that list. We dont deserve to be there. But, you can trust that it has more to do with pride than business. Business is good.

jinnia: Promises to change and do better, and that not happening, over and over again!
The only changes within the Virtual group are the changing of managers.

When was the last time you played at any of our casinos? Is there an issue that is unresolved for you? I would love to help you now if there is.

lojo: I don't get it.You are either crooks or you are not.

Not. You know that.


Well, I will continue to post any changes or updates on this site. I appreciate everyones input and I encourage all of you to let me know directly if there is ever anything that I can help you with. Like Bryan said, we should be resolving these issues with each other, not through him. I am not going to keep re-hashing old issues though. Nothing can be accomplished by doing that.

If any of you would like to contact me, my email is...
[email protected]
[email protected]

I created this post to let you all know I will be posting all policy changes here. I have accomplished that. Contact me directly if there is anything else that I can help you with.

Sincerely,

Christopher DiAngelo
Casino Manager

 

[soflat]

I don't see why you want to post all your policy updates here. You are rogue. What's the point in posting?

These posts of yours can't be helping your reputation any.

And here's some advice: If your rules disallow Polish players from redeeming free chips, then don't allow Polish players to redeem them. Why wait until they are trying to withdraw?

 

[lojo]

What the fek??

I have to give it to you Chris, you are not only meeting player issues in real time, you are standing right in the face of everything thrown at you. I'm not privy, nor do I care about, your Group's failed negotiations with Bryan, I only concern myself with a fair game. And you, as a manager, have never failed me. Nor will you, if you can help it.

Bryan has been away on business, and so has the other moderator here afaik, so lets hope this thread doesn't go volitile in their absence.

You went overboard. I'll ask you to respect the Maker of this forum, and all the participants here. If we haven't 'policed' ourselves well enough, I'll thank you for bringing it to our attentions.

There are 'rogue' players here, no doubt. Personally, I am more comfortable calling 'the other side' out than I am a player. But that stops now, for me.

Again, at the moment, Bryan may not be here in real time, but if nobody else noticed I defended POC andre rossi per PAB. One from four years ago, one possible issue, one that may have been miscoded to relate to an actual ROGUE CASINO. Palace of chance has had one issue in six months? (no disrespect mystic I am not counting yours because i don't see it in the pitched bitches)

Your verbosity, Chris, may be a good thing in the end and it may not. I appreciate it. As far as I'm concerned I'll risk every bit of my reputation here to have a casino manager come on line and deal with Gaming.

 

[mrracetrack]

Hey Chris,

Talk about a "Spin Doctor"...

You've got "all the answers" down pat...

Look at this, Chris:

The Following 22 Users Say Thank You to Casinomeister For This Useful Post:
3Dice (1st May 2007), catrina m (30th April 2007), Da_Gambla (30th April 2007), frufrugirl (30th April 2007), jenn1381 (Yesterday), jinnia (1st May 2007), jod5413 (1st May 2007), lanidar (30th April 2007), liquidsoap (Yesterday), lnspin (1st May 2007), me_and_ed (1st May 2007), Mousey (30th April 2007), mrracetrack (30th April 2007), NASHVEGAS (30th April 2007), oldtrvlagt (1st May 2007), Robertsgirl (30th April 2007), soflat (30th April 2007), spearmaster (Yesterday), tennis_balls (30th April 2007), unicorn40 (30th April 2007), winbig (1st May 2007), Zoozie (1st May 2007)

All these people indicated that they felt the Casinomeister was "Spot On" with what he posted.

And lets look at what "your" posts received, Chris...

Yup... "nada"... speaks volumes... doesn't it...

You can't seem to "get it", Chris... that just because you say that you and your casinos are "fair... wonderful... always pay everyone... hardly get any complaints... only from cheats & frauds & rulebreakers... and blah... blah... blah..." doesn't mean it is fact... It is "your opinion" only.

And one that is not shared by many people.

 

[lojo]

I respect you, Mister Race Track, but in my limited knowledge, and going from the gut, your input on virtual is on the edge of the likes of cyprean and lanidir.

I know it's a pain in the ass, and the current management can't help, but what was your personal bitch? Please state it loud and clear in a hundered words or less.

Cyprean, i think, with my limited knowledge that you are an exploiter.

L, come clean, what is your personal bitch? Please state it in regular sized letters in the color black if you can.

This is complete and utter bullshit and I'm about to bow out.

 

[mrracetrack]

I respect you, Mister Race Track, but in my limited knowledge, and going from the gut, your input on virtual is on the edge of the likes of cyprean and lanidir.

That is a fair observation, lojo.

I have always been known for stating my thoughts in a very blunt and "no holds barred" manner.

I know it's a pain in the ass, and the current management can't help, but what was your personal bitch? Please state it loud and clear in a hundered words or less.

I have stated it "loud and clear"... as I do with most things I post.

I have been 'involved" with online gaming for close to 7 years now. During that period... I have read and followed the numerous complaints made about Virtual Casinos (of which Prism is part of) and have had direct dealings with a few people that were screwed over by Virtual and Prism... these are honest people whom I trust and respect... and have no doubts whatsoever that what they told me about their experiences with Virtual and Prism were factual and true... and they all were screwed over by Virtual and Prism.

I personally had an incident with Prism that I felt was "resolved" in an unsatisfactory manner. All I'll say about that incident is... I was unable to collect winnings I was entitled to... which was $100.

Cyprean, i think, with my limited knowledge that you are an exploiter.

L, come clean, what is your personal bitch? Please state it in regular sized letters in the color black if you can.

lojo... As LANIDAR is a personal friend of mine... and he certainly can defend his actions... I'm sure he won't mind me responding to your question... he has made his "personal bitch" quite clear regarding Virtual and Prism... both here on Casinomeister... and numerous other forums. Go do a search of "LANIDAR" on Google... you'll find all you want to know about his beefs with Prism & Virtual.

This is complete and utter bullshit and I'm about to bow out.

lojo...Can you be a bit more specific about exactly what "complete and utter bullshit" you are referring to?

 

[jetset]

Lojo, I think you're backing a losing horse here - please check out the numerous complaints archived on the Virtual group here and on just about every other online gambling portal of note on the Internet.

The Casinomeister response to this latest manager from the group was well considered and accurate in my opinion, and the time is past due for them to match their assurances with sustained and professional online casino management practice rather than pretty words posted periodically on the fora.

 

[lojo]

I'm not seeing any current complaints with prism or slots of vegas that aren't being dealt with in real time. As far as I can see palace of chance has had one PAB in the last six months.

The complete and utter bullshit comment didn't relate to your post, it relates to the situation.

If exploiters are abusing the casinos they should be called out here as well as the casinos are called out for abusing players.

This should be a forum where each side can state their point without fear of censure or browbeating. It really seems to be 1000/1 when the feeding frenzies happen.

I think that a power that once was, (we the players, not the arbitors nor advocates) has been co-opted by the occasional swarm and the residual resenters.

I'm tired Bro, so have to fade for now.
Peace and good fortunes
*********

Cyprean, you can PM me if you wish before responding. i could be mistaken.

Complete and utter bullshit. I just want to play, i don't need to be involved in this shit. Where are the other denizens? Why don't you stand up in other threads? This isn't a place to just bitch and moan and whine. If it isn't a forum equally available to casino and player, regardless of status, i think I'll bow out. If you won't call out your peers, you have no business participating in threads that discredit casinos.

Also to all, read my posts of the last five days, I'm not taking it easy on anybody.

tired tired sleep now

 

[lojo]

Lojo, I think you're backing a losing horse here - please check out the numerous complaints archived on the Virtual group here and on just about every other online gambling portal of note on the Internet.

The Casinomeister response to this latest manager from the group was well considered and accurate in my opinion, and the time is past due for them to match their assurances with sustained and professional online casino management practice rather than pretty words posted periodically on the fora.

I'm okay with that. I'm just advocating free speech and an open forum. So what if I play the fool? Nobody rond'cheer paying my rent nor buying my baby diamonds I'm just a voice in the wilderness.

But I do appreciate your concern, you're like a legend and stuff:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

 

[jetset]

I don't think many would dispute that "balance" has consistently been a characteristic of this forum, oftentimes leading to accusations of being partisan by one side or the other (which in itself suggests that the place has it just about right LOL!)

Long may that continue imo.

There's good and bad in both camps; in this case Virtual is not well placed on past performance to be regarded as the former, I'm afraid.

 

[jinnia]

jinnia: Promises to change and do better, and that not happening, over and over again!
The only changes within the Virtual group are the changing of managers.

When was the last time you played at any of our casinos? Is there an issue that is unresolved for you? I would love to help you now if there is.

As for the financial part, Amit took care of that. As for the extreme stress Prism Casino caused, that will never be made right. As time went along, the stress level eased, but not without leaving some physical issues, and that can't be resolved by Prism.

The last time I played at one of your casinos, about 2 - 3 weeks ago....I took you up on the free $75 at VIP Lounge, to see how things would go with the play (about 4 or 5 hours), and was hoping to cash out a little to see how that went, but that didn't happen. I did register as an affiliate, but haven't, and won't promote you. Ask me why I registered, and all I will say is, "I had my reason(s), but decided it wasn't worth the risk of sending yet another victim to Virtual/Prism/Grafix.