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New MG slot Playboy

I wonder if the maximum combination of 5xwilds with the other high paying symbols in view, multiplied by 5, might come quite close to that maximum payout for 5 reels wild? Likewise the rolling reels I'd say it's quite likely that if you get those reels lined up in the best possible positions the final payout could start approaching that 5 reels wild because you could, for example, get many multiple-5oak-(some-with-wilds) hits at the maximum 5x multiplier all off the same spin...

I have to say the 'running wilds' feature has been massively cruel to me so far as well, the only one I have not seen even a moderately good bonus round from - the 'wild night' is really disappointing if you don't get a single wild night in the whole 25 spins too but I also saw 5 in one bonus round too, mostly 2 reels wild and all paying out between 10-100x bet ...


No reasonable comparison between max return possible between Kimi and Sophia features.
The difference in the max win possible is significantly greater in Sophia running wild feature because the multiplier is 243/5 times greater if a full screen of wilds is awarded. That's a whopping 48.6 times more!

I haven't done the exact max win calculations for Kimi for the min. stake of 0.30, but it's not necessary.
5 wilds * 5 ways = 10*5 = $50. Adding other top paying symbol combos which pay $10 or less, won't increase the multiplier factor by an amount anywhere near enough to rival the max return possible in the Sophia feature, if a full screen of wilds is achieved.

A full screen of wilds in Sophia feature = $10 * 243 ways = $2430 on the min stake of 0.30.

The same logic can be applied to the rolling reels feature.

There's little doubt, that features 2 and 4 are very high variance, whereas features 1 and 3 are on the lower end of the variance scale, in comparison.

The stacked wilds make all the difference!
 
So how does the slot 'compensate' for the different possible pays on the bonus round then?

If we accept that only Round 2 and 4 can pay the jackpot (a full screen of wilds), what happens if a player only ever chooses Rounds 1 and 3?

Does a player who only ever chooses Round 1 get a lower T-RTP than a player who only ever chooses Round 2?
 
Play solely for the Jackpot, or mix it up?

I don't know if T-RTP varies significantly between features played, but one thing is certain - the max prize can only be won on 2 & 4.

I guess it's up to the player to decide what they want from the slot and feature set, and go from there.

Features 1 & 3 obviously have good pay potential, but the jackpot for better or worse has been allocated to 2 & 4.

An interesting game of choice....

Does one play for the nice wins, or for the Jackpot?

I would guess most players like to mix it up, and alternate between all 4 features at one time or another. That way they're still in with a chance of winning the jackpot, and at the same time, the game is arguably more entertaining.
 
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Does a player who only ever chooses Round 1 get a lower T-RTP than a player who only ever chooses Round 2?

No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

The 1st and 3rd options are good if you are low on bankroll and need to build it a bit for another go. If you are low, don't go for 2 or 4 as chances are you'll get arond 10x most times. The 3rd option seems to be around 30x average and the first one is hard to judge but probably similar.

I just had 2 consecutive Wild Nights bonus features (50 spins total) with not 1 single wild reel followed by one with just 1 spin that gave me 1 reel (6x!). But earlier today, I had a 3-reel one for 300x.
 
No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

But Rounds 1 and 3 simply can't pay the same as Rounds 2 and 4, it's like the 'max pay' cap at RTG which lops about 1% off the T-RTP, if you remove a whole tier of payouts from the possible results, surely T-RTP is lower unless the slot actively compensates for it somehow?

I suppose they might have given each feature an overall 'pool' of results that all adds up to the same amount, and thus it's only the variance that's different, but it's still a strange (unique?) design choice whereby two out of the four features are simply incapable of paying the slot's maximum result?
 
But Rounds 1 and 3 simply can't pay the same as Rounds 2 and 4

Yeah they can. Say you max bet and have 1,000 of each feature, you *might* get the £121,500 top pay (8100x)on Feature 2 but the average payout of the rest might only be 10x. Whereeas on Feature 1 you might never get above a payout of more than 500x but the average of the rest might be 30-40x.

That said, I've not seen the RTP of this game yet. It may be that MG have changed protocol and done an IGT, issuing a range in which case they may differ depending on the feature picked. But I highly doubt it.
 
Surely a lot of slots and other games are not meant to achieve true TRTP on a per player basis, afterall the Casino's aim is to make profit, preferably as much as possible.

Just like a load of players don't play perfect strategy on games like BJ, VP and whatnot, and as such will make the casino's more money, and the perfect players do too of course but they do mostly meet their TRTP

These "casual" players are also calculated into the design of slots i suppose?
If people just playing for entertainment, would just make their choices based on their personal taste of Girls, or visual/musical preference, in the case of the Playboy slot they would be close to the TRTP over a great number of spins but compared to people that want to maximize their odds, and take feature 2 & 4 only as soon as they are unlocked, they might be losing a few %.

Like Simmo said, it should not make a big difference over the long haul i.m.o.
At least that's what i would like to believe:)

In the end i am just guessing, as i don't have the facts, nor the knowledge of the deeper workings of these slots.

But to clarify: it would seem logical that if you constantly take 1 & 3, let's say 1000 times, and achieve that average of 30 x bet (for the sake of easy calculating) you'd have won 30.000 x bet, and if you solely
would take 2 & 4 a 1000 times, i'd assume on average you would have won just as much, due to the infrequency of the better rounds...

You know what i mean ^.^

It's late, i'm high and if unclear that's my excuse:p
 
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No it wouldn't affect RTP, it would just affect variance. Over 10 million spins it will probably work out about the same no matter which you choose.

The 1st and 3rd options are good if you are low on bankroll and need to build it a bit for another go. If you are low, don't go for 2 or 4 as chances are you'll get arond 10x most times. The 3rd option seems to be around 30x average and the first one is hard to judge but probably similar.

I just had 2 consecutive Wild Nights bonus features (50 spins total) with not 1 single wild reel followed by one with just 1 spin that gave me 1 reel (6x!). But earlier today, I had a 3-reel one for 300x.

Yeah true m8, makes sense.

Personally like to go for the jackpot irrespective of my bankroll size. Like to know that I'm in with a chance of hitting the max prize for the stake each time the feature plays out - I think it makes game play more exciting. I understand that my approach can return plenty of near zero wins on a bad day given the high variance of features 2 and 4, but I'm ok with that. It could just as easily go the other way if my luck is in.

Since hitting a full screen of wilds the other night, I've hit a few x1000-3000 combos with several around x200, with $10 - $20 deposits. Seem to be averaging 6-7 features per 1hour session at the moment off these small deposits as well.

See that some of you are having dreaded long waits between features and lame returns when the feature finally shows up, so I'd say the run I'm currently having is more the exception than the rule.

Here's another win from last night ( x1433 ) with just $10 in. I hit a x2790 combo in the same short session but was a little too slow to take the screenie unfortunately.
 
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97.8% RTP is unusually high for an MG slot, you'd think they'd make a bit more noise about it.

In fact, even given the high variance of the slot (which could be mitigated to an extent by keeping it on 30p spins and choosing only Rounds 2 and 4), it starts to make quite a lot of bonus offers at MG casinos reasonably attractive.

Certainly a lot of casinos running IGT slots explicitly exclude the slots that pay over 97.5% RTP from their bonus offers in terms of contributing towards wagering.

Where did you get the 97.8% figure from Simmo? Is that official from MG themselves?

Redbet have listed the slot with an RTP of 96-97%, which is the same as all the other 243-liners.

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Hence, the TRTP must be identical for all features.

It has to be.


even given the high variance of the slot (which could be mitigated to an extent by keeping it on 30p spins and choosing only Rounds 2 and 4)

Rounds 2 and 4 are the higher variance bonus rounds, I'm not sure how you see this thing.

It's not a slot that I'd play to grind a bonus WR, especially not by playing rounds 2 and 4.
 
Rounds 2 and 4 are the higher variance bonus rounds, I'm not sure how you see this thing.

It's not a slot that I'd play to grind a bonus WR, especially not by playing rounds 2 and 4.

Sorry I got them mixed up, I mean 1 and 3 to make WR, not 2 and 4!

It's interesting for bonus play because of the high RTP, which would hopefully start to make itself felt over the many thousands of spins it'd take to make WR on a big bonus.

If the 97.8% RTP figure is correct, that pegs it nearly 3% higher than BDBA for example, that's a big difference.
 
Not enjoying this slot one bit. Had a little luck when it first came out and hit a few small winners (100-200x bet) but variance has caught up with me and it has proceeded to eat all winnings back plus a whole lot more. Now cant hit damn thing let alone get a bonus round in one deposit at min bets with a decent bankroll.
 
Yeah this is quite interesting 'cos Bet-at also show Finer Reels as 97.65% when I have 96.01% logged. Hmmm. I might try and seek some clarification.

Hey simmo, i know some games are at 96.01 - and i'm almost certain IR is at 96.01 so by same logic FROL should be 96.01 seeing as its the same game engine. We're going by a sheet supplied to us by MGS (FROL is supplied as 96-97%) and designers have loaded this so i need to look into where the decimals came in from and why.

For what its worth, from my personal knowledge i would say 243 liners are at 96.01% factory RTP.

Will confirm and revert on this ASAP - that figure looks off and now im checking some other figures and they seem off on some games. Cant confirm anything yet though.
 
Not enjoying this slot one bit. Had a little luck when it first came out and hit a few small winners (100-200x bet) but variance has caught up with me and it has proceeded to eat all winnings back plus a whole lot more. Now cant hit damn thing let alone get a bonus round in one deposit at min bets with a decent bankroll.

That sucks m8, hope ya luck turns around real soon.
 
That sucks m8, hope ya luck turns around real soon.

I just gave it a little go with a 30,- on min bet so at least a 100 spins, and wasn't too impressed: i do see the potential and can't wait to unlock all features, but i only managed one this session and it paid a miserly 10 x bet...
Seems you, my dear Hydro, have emptied a lot of the RTP as of late:)

At least in 32Red...

Also found that 2 of my not too shabby laptops can't seem to run this slot smoothly, which is kind of irritating.. but i guess it's time for a new laptop anyway.

Another thing, Hydro: i saw your last screen and it appears your slot opens like a normal one, but mine doesn't: just like Girls with Guns and Bust the Bank and a few other newer slots, it opens in a separate window, which is slightly annoying i.m.o.

Anyone else has this?
If so, is there a fix?

This happens to me in XP, W7 and Vista:confused:
 
Another thing, Hydro: i saw your last screen and it appears your slot opens like a normal one, but mine doesn't: just like Girls with Guns and Bust the Bank and a few other newer slots, it opens in a separate window, which is slightly annoying i.m.o.

Anyone else has this?
If so, is there a fix?

This happens to me in XP, W7 and Vista:confused:

I believe it's the same for everyone. I just make it show full size instead.
Gosh I miss my computer. I can't play at all right now :(
 
I have the same thing going with some of the newer games going to a separate window (using windows 8). Not much we can do about it since I think it is more to do with the programming then our computers.
 
I believe it's the same for everyone. I just make it show full size instead.
Gosh I miss my computer. I can't play at all right now :(

I have the same thing going with some of the newer games going to a separate window (using windows 8). Not much we can do about it since I think it is more to do with the programming then our computers.

Thank you both for confirming it's not just me, but that's why i asked hydro:
If you check for instance his screenshot at the previous page, it looks like his is just normal inside the client, next to the banking page, so i was wondering..
 
Thank you both for confirming it's not just me, but that's why i asked hydro:
If you check for instance his screenshot at the previous page, it looks like his is just normal inside the client, next to the banking page, so i was wondering..

You can drag and drop the newly opened window ¨inside the client¨ and it lines up with other opened games if you'd like :thumbsup:
 
Mine loads over the lobby but I would much prefer it to load in a seperate window LOL. Games run a bit slower (on my Lenovo laptop) when it's over everything else plus my laptop gets pretty hot.
 
Mine loads over the lobby

See, that's odd right? i wonder why, and if there are fixes..

When i play it on my laptop it's terribly slow, and indeed it tends to get way too hot, but this only happens with those slots that load in a separate window, like i am suddenly running two viper-clients at once, i'll check this out on my next session, and then try to see if it makes a difference if i paste the game back into the client, so to speak...
 
I thought it was just me who had somehow set that game to be in its own window, and just kept dragging it back into the casino client every time .. wonder if that was just a mistake on their part? As for the performance, it does seem so slow on my slower computer but fine on my more up to date one. In general though I do find the whole MGS package quite performance intensive, I'd like to see them implement GPU rendering to smooth things out (like 3dice) in the future
 
I'd like to see them implement GPU rendering to smooth things out (like 3dice) in the future

Nah I love the whole 1990s retro chic they have going on with the Viper client! :D
 
Although i hate to play for fun credits i just could not wait so tried it with a slot i usually won't play anyway, which is Dr.Watts Up ^^

Of course it spat out the seemingly hard to get, yet pretty funny feature (first time i saw it btw) and dished out what i presume to be a decent pay on that round, namely 20 x bet.

But on my derail topic: it did not help one bit when dragging the game back into the client, game was awfully slow and not really enjoyable as such.

This might have been discussed in previous threads (i know Chopley and the Late Seventh777 have produced helpfull posts concerning the speeding up of Netent slots) but does anyone have an idea to fix this?

As much as i would love to buy a new PC i can't bring myself to buy anything under my standard, and can't afford my standard right now:)

And i also am a bit miffed by the fact that my two laptops can't really run these games at an acceptable speed... I mean i have one HP W7 with a 4G ram and a 9800MT vid card and an Acer Vista with 2G ram and a 7000M with extras, which admittedly is the lesser of the two but still should be enough to run a few slots at the same time, if so desired...

My desktop is apparently still up to date since everything runs fine there..

Any comments?
Anyone running older specs, yet having no issues?
Any helpful comments appreciated!
(@ Mods: if this is too much off-topic then feel free to move it somewhere else:))
 
Upload removed and replaced with Simmos? Help please

Hey m8,

Many thanks 4 congrats!

Here it is, hope you and the other forum members who have an interest in this slot enjoy it ;)

What's going on here?

My upload of a full screen of wilds attached to my post is no longer showing in the forum. Instead, a screenshot which is not mine has replaced it. From memory, Simmo posted the one I can see.

In my account settings, under attachments, it also shows that I uploaded this image which again is false.

I'm not ok with this. I can't imagine a moderator is responsible, but if not, then whom? It's strange...

It's one thing to have a photo I uploaded removed without my permission, assuming that's the case, but having it replaced with an image that was uploaded by another member can't be ok, surely.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Won't be uploading further images until this is sorted out.

Thank you.
 
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So you can see a full screen if wilds?

I can't. Like I said, I only see someone's else's screenshot, and my account uploads under settings supports this. A glitch of sorts perhaps?

All was well last night when I logged in, doesn't make sense.

hi hydro its your screen shot 100% nobody has messed with it , just go in your inbox & check the posts youve made it shall be there aswell )
 
hi hydro its your screen shot 100% nobody has messed with it , just go in your inbox & check the posts youve made it shall be there aswell )

Very strange, it's suddenly back. Settings uploads is also ok now. Wonder how this could have happened, at least only on my end it seems, in the first place.

For the sake of the forum, I took a screenshot of what I was seeing a short time ago.
 
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No reasonable comparison between max return possible between Kimi and Sophia features.
The difference in the max win possible is significantly greater in Sophia running wild feature because the multiplier is 243/5 times greater if a full screen of wilds is awarded. That's a whopping 48.6 times more!

I haven't done the exact max win calculations for Kimi for the min. stake of 0.30, but it's not necessary.
5 wilds * 5 ways = 10*5 = $50. Adding other top paying symbol combos which pay $10 or less, won't increase the multiplier factor by an amount anywhere near enough to rival the max return possible in the Sophia feature, if a full screen of wilds is achieved.

A full screen of wilds in Sophia feature = $10 * 243 ways = $2430 on the min stake of 0.30.

The same logic can be applied to the rolling reels feature.

There's little doubt, that features 2 and 4 are very high variance, whereas features 1 and 3 are on the lower end of the variance scale, in comparison.

The stacked wilds make all the difference!

My understanding though of the 243 ways thing, if you get 5 wilds you win on all 243 lines, and if some of those have higher paying symbols (eg the 5.00 ones), all doubled too, then x5 multiplier as well, is that not possible it could come close to that 243 x £10.00 ?

Not going to work it all out but your basically getting 1 line of 5 wilds plus 242 lines where you get an effective x10 multiplier of the highest paying combination on that line, whether it be 3/4/5 wilds or the 5OAK symbols .. it must be a big payout even if it does fall a little short i would say!
 
Thanks Jasmine and Mr Jones

Thanks to both if you for checking out my issue. What do you make of my screenies showing the temp. issue I had when viewing my original post on page 8, and when viewing my attachments in account settings on my end? Strange ha?
 
My understanding though of the 243 ways thing, if you get 5 wilds you win on all 243 lines, and if some of those have higher paying symbols (eg the 5.00 ones), all doubled too, then x5 multiplier as well, is that not possible it could come close to that 243 x £10.00 ?

Not going to work it all out but your basically getting 1 line of 5 wilds plus 242 lines where you get an effective x10 multiplier of the highest paying combination on that line, whether it be 3/4/5 wilds or the 5OAK symbols .. it must be a big payout even if it does fall a little short i would say!

To clarify, achieving 5 wilds one way combined with other combos doesnt necessarily equate to winning on 243 lines. Winning a unique combo 243 ways is only possible with a full stack of wilds, or with one wild position replaced by another symbol during the Sophia feature.

Eg: A Wild, Jillian and Ace appearing on reel 1, and a Wild, Jillian and Ace appearing on reel 2, the same on reel 3, and so on, automatically equates to less than 243 winning lines because Jillian on reel 1 can't combine with the Ace on reel to, and so on...

The design of the slot doesn't allow a win in the Kimi feature that's comparable to the wins possible in features 2 & 4, because of the way the wilds are set to combine with the other symbols. Both in base game play, and during the Kimi feature it's not possible to get 5 Jillian's more than 2 ways I think. Kimi appears to combine up to 4 ways only - more testing through extended play to confirm this required however. So even with 5 wilds combining with a 5OAK Gillian and a 5OAK Kimi ( not sure that's possible btw ) the return wouldn't be anywhere near a full stack win.

Of course, if the design allowed for 5 Jillian's, along with 5 of one of the girls, or another higher paying symbol combined with 5 wilds, that would be another story. In the case of Jillian alone combining with 5 wilds, you would get ( {$10 * 32 ) - 5 } * 5 multiplier = $1575. In practice though, it doesn't appear to be possible.
 
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this is what i see )

problem getting link, picture is there though )


Thanks again m8.

It was very odd, especially finding that my full screen wild upload under account settings/manage attachments was showing Simmo's upload and not mine, for a short time.

Forgot to mention earlier that whilst I had this issue, Simmos written post had also vanished, but not his attachment - that was linked to my 5 wild post.

All good now, but left wondering how this happened in the first place. Maybe a glitch whilst viewing the forum on my iphone. Mystery....
 
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I just gave it a little go with a 30,- on min bet so at least a 100 spins, and wasn't too impressed: i do see the potential and can't wait to unlock all features, but i only managed one this session and it paid a miserly 10 x bet...
Seems you, my dear Hydro, have emptied a lot of the RTP as of late:)

At least in 32Red...

Also found that 2 of my not too shabby laptops can't seem to run this slot smoothly, which is kind of irritating.. but i guess it's time for a new laptop anyway.

Another thing, Hydro: i saw your last screen and it appears your slot opens like a normal one, but mine doesn't: just like Girls with Guns and Bust the Bank and a few other newer slots, it opens in a separate window, which is slightly annoying i.m.o.

Anyone else has this?
If so, is there a fix?

This happens to me in XP, W7 and Vista:confused:


Hey m8,

Sorry took me a while to get back to you - was in dream land zzzz....

As others have noted, dragging open game window to client works.

With regards to my screenshot with bank open, I actually had Playboy open in a separate window as well. I dragged the bank icon into the game, that's why you can see it along side the Playboy icon.

I've also noticed that once the game has been open and playing for a some time, the reel spin speed starts to slow right down. Disconnecting and reconnecting to the casino/gaming server resolves this issue every time for me.

I run windows 7 on a 4GB RAM notebook.

Hope this helps a little.

PS: your comment "Seems you, my dear Hydro, have emptied a lot of the RTP as of late:)" made me laugh...
 
I run windows 7 on a 4GB RAM notebook.

It might be more useful to know your CPU speed rather than ram size, unless your running several casinos at once - I do that sometimes when playing tournaments and even 8gb runs out quick with 10 or more MGS casinos open, so they do use a fair chunk of ram but not enough for the 4gb to be your bottleneck

My 2 machines are from different eras altogether in terms of speed (AMD X2 6000+ vs intel core i5 2500k) and the AMD despite being a very powerful machine in its day does struggle a bit with this software, i can only think the programming must be sloppy ...
 
i took a look at the reel strips and the best combination in 5x free spins would be:

WILD - COUPLE - WILD - ASHLEY - SOFIA
ACE - 10 - KIMI - WILD - BIKE
JILLIAN - WILD - J - KIMI - WILD

I'm assuming it would always work out to have the highest paying symbols in view, not for example having an extra ace which would be possible by moving reel 4 down 1 ...

Can anybody work out what you would be paid out for that ? I'm really fascinated to know now but I do see now I've thought about it that you won't complete anywhere near as many lines as I thought :(

Suppose I'll have to keep trying those running wilds, even though they broke my heart yet again tonight ..!
 
Max win possible - Kimi feature 0.30 stake

i took a look at the reel strips and the best combination in 5x free spins would be:

WILD - COUPLE - WILD - ASHLEY - SOFIA
ACE - 10 - KIMI - WILD - BIKE
JILLIAN - WILD - J - KIMI - WILD

I'm assuming it would always work out to have the highest paying symbols in view, not for example having an extra ace which would be possible by moving reel 4 down 1 ...

Can anybody work out what you would be paid out for that ? I'm really fascinated to know now but I do see now I've thought about it that you won't complete anywhere near as many lines as I thought :(

Suppose I'll have to keep trying those running wilds, even though they broke my heart yet again tonight..!

Leave it with me ;-)

I get $377.5 max win on 0.30 stake.

5OAK break down:

$10 - wilds
$10 - Jillian's
$9 - Ashley's
$21 - Kimi's (3 ways)
$8 - Sofia's
$6 - couple
$4 - 5 bike
$3 - Aces
$2.5 - Jacks
$2 - Tens

Total: $ 75.5

Times 5 ( max win ) = $377.5

Assuming both of our calculations are correct, that's a $2052.5 difference between the max win on feature 1 and features 2 & 4 ($2430 - $377.5)

Huge difference!

PS: reel 4 down one position ( extra Ace ) would reduce the max Kimi feature win by $55, making it $322.5.
 
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